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(KOAT Albuquerque)   Is it really necessary to bring in the SWAT team to write a ticket for a cracked windshield?   (koat.com) divider line 115
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2014-03-19 05:10:11 PM  
That's...completely bonkers.
 
2014-03-19 05:19:10 PM  
Look, when we give police departments all this awesome looking gear, they're going to want to use it.
 
2014-03-19 05:44:19 PM  
"I could not be more upset about this," said former Gov. Gary Johnson (Wikipedia link), who is also a resident of Taos. "I could not be more upset. Somebody needs to lose their job."

To quote the Wikipedia article on him: "Johnson served as the 29th Governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2003, as a member of the Republican Party."

Sheesh.
 
2014-03-19 05:50:48 PM  
They're here to oppress you for your own safety.
 
2014-03-19 06:10:41 PM  

naughtyrev: Look, when we give police departments all this awesome looking gear, they're going to want to use it.


The Forest Service.  Not cops.  The farking Forest Service.

WTF are those guys doing with tacticool gear in the first place?
 
2014-03-19 06:19:32 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The Forest Service. Not cops. The farking Forest Service.


The NFS has quite the large Enforcement Division in the last 10 years. Not quite sure why they need that, but it's there...
 
2014-03-19 06:21:02 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: naughtyrev: Look, when we give police departments all this awesome looking gear, they're going to want to use it.

The Forest Service.  Not cops.  The farking Forest Service.

WTF are those guys doing with tacticool gear in the first place?


looking for weed in rich kid's pockets.
 
2014-03-19 06:22:06 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: naughtyrev: Look, when we give police departments all this awesome looking gear, they're going to want to use it.

The Forest Service.  Not cops.  The farking Forest Service.

WTF are those guys doing with tacticool gear in the first place?


Bears mean business.
 
2014-03-19 06:22:44 PM  

Wanebo: Benevolent Misanthrope: The Forest Service. Not cops. The farking Forest Service.

The NFS has quite the large Enforcement Division in the last 10 years. Not quite sure why they need that, but it's there...


because weed growers use national parks to grow in. and occasionally have guns and stuff.
 
2014-03-19 06:27:24 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Wanebo: Benevolent Misanthrope: The Forest Service. Not cops. The farking Forest Service.

The NFS has quite the large Enforcement Division in the last 10 years. Not quite sure why they need that, but it's there...

because weed growers use national parks to grow in. and occasionally have guns and stuff.


And I thought w had the DEA for that? Maybe they've been teaching the NFS their most effective war on drugs tactics just to bring them up/down to speed.
 
2014-03-19 06:33:02 PM  
FYI Gary Johnson was also one of the presidential candidates and he was outspoken in his support for legalizing weed.
 
2014-03-19 06:57:01 PM  
The act is called a Saturation Patrol, and it was performed recently at Taos Ski Valley by four National Forest Police officers and a drug-sniffing dog.

"Oh look, a brown person. Sit. Good dog."
 
2014-03-19 07:04:28 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: They're here to oppress you for your own safety.


Forestry officials said they're reviewing the incident and that they have no other patrols planned at Taos Ski Valley or any other ski resort. They said patrol had nothing to do with meeting "ticket quotas."



And if you believe that's true, I have this bridge I'd like to sell you.
 
2014-03-19 07:08:42 PM  
How dare they do this to people with money.
wake me when they're this outraged about this happening to other people.

/On second thought I'll set my alarm.
 
2014-03-19 07:11:40 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: naughtyrev: Look, when we give police departments all this awesome looking gear, they're going to want to use it.

The Forest Service.  Not cops.  The farking Forest Service.

WTF are those guys doing with tacticool gear in the first place?


Because cartels and FARK YOU. That's why.
 
2014-03-19 07:11:59 PM  
I guess that's the Tao of Taos.
 
2014-03-19 07:12:30 PM  

Wanebo: Benevolent Misanthrope: The Forest Service. Not cops. The farking Forest Service.

The NFS has quite the large Enforcement Division in the last 10 years. Not quite sure why they need that, but it's there...


If they don't spend all those DHS funds, they don't get to keep them.
 
2014-03-19 07:13:04 PM  
The victims of NYC's Stop and Frisk policy laugh at your white people's problems.
 
2014-03-19 07:14:11 PM  

Wanebo: Hobodeluxe: Wanebo: Benevolent Misanthrope: The Forest Service. Not cops. The farking Forest Service.

The NFS has quite the large Enforcement Division in the last 10 years. Not quite sure why they need that, but it's there...

because weed growers use national parks to grow in. and occasionally have guns and stuff.

And I thought w had the DEA for that? Maybe they've been teaching the NFS their most effective war on drugs tactics just to bring them up/down to speed.


The DEA doesn't routinely patrol the forest as a part of their jobs, the NFS does. What do you want them to do when they are patroling and they run across an illegal grow operation operated by people with guns? Tell them that they better not shoot because they are calling the DEA.
 
2014-03-19 07:15:46 PM  

ongbok: Wanebo: Hobodeluxe: Wanebo: Benevolent Misanthrope: The Forest Service. Not cops. The farking Forest Service.

The NFS has quite the large Enforcement Division in the last 10 years. Not quite sure why they need that, but it's there...

because weed growers use national parks to grow in. and occasionally have guns and stuff.

And I thought w had the DEA for that? Maybe they've been teaching the NFS their most effective war on drugs tactics just to bring them up/down to speed.

The DEA doesn't routinely patrol the forest as a part of their jobs, the NFS does. What do you want them to do when they are patroling and they run across an illegal grow operation operated by people with guns? Tell them that they better not shoot because they are calling the DEA.


Legalize pot and de-fund them. The money's needed elsewhere.
 
2014-03-19 07:15:56 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: naughtyrev: Look, when we give police departments all this awesome looking gear, they're going to want to use it.

The Forest Service.  Not cops.  The farking Forest Service.

WTF are those guys doing with tacticool gear in the first place?


You think that's nutz?

Where I live, about 40 miles away from me is a huge lake which has a hydroelectric dam. It's controlled by a water "authority" as they call themselves and they have their own police force, who patrol the lake looking for evil-dooers, like people getting drunk while boating,etc.

Well, few months ago I'm out at the lake and I start hearing what I swear is fully automatic gunfire, I'm really trying to figure out what the hell is going on, cause it's not just one gun, it sounds like two-three full auto machine guns firing. So I call the Sheriff's office to report it, the dispatcher says "oh, yeah, we know about it, it's the river authority, they're testing their new machine guns, they told us they'd be doing it."
 
2014-03-19 07:15:58 PM  
Wait, I thought that the feds have been steadily slashing Forest Service for years. Many trails, parks, service roads, and FS offices have been closed over the last couple decades. How and why the hell do they have the budget for serious combat gear?
 
2014-03-19 07:17:02 PM  
Um; saturation patrols don't cost tax payer money. Saturation patrols are usually paid for by grants; with the requirement that they be done x number of times a year. The objective is to write as many tickets as humanly possible.
 
2014-03-19 07:18:56 PM  

skinink: The victims of NYC's Stop and Frisk policy laugh at your white people's problems.


This. When the police are stoping and searching black, brown and poor people who aren't doing anything wrong it is proactive policing and it is a good thing. When the police are stopping and ticketing rich people, who more than likely supported stop and frisk, who are breaking the law then it is unjust.
 
2014-03-19 07:20:25 PM  

iheartscotch: Um; saturation patrols don't cost tax payer money. Saturation patrols are usually paid for by grants; with the requirement that they be done x number of times a year. The objective is to write as many tickets as humanly possible.


Where do you think the grant money comes from? Corporate donations or something?
 
2014-03-19 07:21:41 PM  
USA? Oh well, there's your answer. I'm sure more guns can fix it. More guns fixes everything. I think I read that in a Republican memo.
 
2014-03-19 07:23:58 PM  
Police think they are paramilitary in some kind of domestic war. Over the last couple of decades they have been trained that way. Particularly the last 5-6 years.
 
2014-03-19 07:24:33 PM  
How small a town is it where four men are saturation? Although I guess four men with automatic weapons could overtake a small liberal town. Around here they'd have competition.
 
2014-03-19 07:25:08 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: USA? Oh well, there's your answer. I'm sure more guns can fix it. More guns fixes everything. I think I read that in a Republican memo.


Hey, if you want to be unarmed when the jack boots come rolling in, knock yourself out.
 
2014-03-19 07:26:02 PM  
No ent-wives, no peace.

/they went lesbian
 
2014-03-19 07:27:54 PM  
Use of unnecessary force has been approved.
 
2014-03-19 07:29:27 PM  

buzzcut73: iheartscotch: Um; saturation patrols don't cost tax payer money. Saturation patrols are usually paid for by grants; with the requirement that they be done x number of times a year. The objective is to write as many tickets as humanly possible.

Where do you think the grant money comes from? Corporate donations or something?


I'm glad you asked! The grant money often comes from various sources; but, most of the time, they come from the various government entities. Some of that money does come from federal taxes; but, most comes from investments and other such sources.

As an example; the DEA sponsors a special marijuana check point on the Kansas / Colorado border; they set it up something like three times a year. But, any special interest group can set up a grant.
 
2014-03-19 07:30:04 PM  
I generally completely dislike Repuglicans, but I make an exception for former Governor Johnson. He was a good governor, an old-school Republican in that he actually focused on smaller government and getting rid of waste and corruption. The whole Big I reconstruction project in Albuquerque took place under his watch, and it came in on time and on (or possibly under) budget. I'm sad I never voted for him, though.

I did vote for Richardson, and look how *that* turned out. His two legacies are the Rail Runner (light rail = good) and corruption on a scale not seen since the Kingfisher in Louisiana....(epic bad).

New Mexico politics makes Louisiana politics look above-board and ethical.
 
2014-03-19 07:34:30 PM  

wildcardjack: How small a town is it where four men are saturation? Although I guess four men with automatic weapons could overtake a small liberal town. Around here they'd have competition.


When they come to your town, they'll bring the Guards Armoured in under UN auspices.
 
2014-03-19 07:34:38 PM  
Remain silent, citizens, we are protecting you for your own safety. Only criminals would protest our protective activities.
 
2014-03-19 07:35:41 PM  

TheOther: wildcardjack: How small a town is it where four men are saturation? Although I guess four men with automatic weapons could overtake a small liberal town. Around here they'd have competition.

When they come to your town, they'll bring the Guards Armoured 82nd Airborne in under UN auspices.


FTF us Yanks.
 
2014-03-19 07:36:44 PM  
Ahh. Government grants don't come from their revenues. Only on Fark would a moron write that with a straight face.

If you're patrolling an area that requires your tactical gear, you should be looking for more serious crimes than cracked windows. If you are in a place where cracked windows are serious business, you don't need tactical gear. And if you have the time to run a saturation patrol, the issues requiring your presence seem dubious at best.
 
2014-03-19 07:36:59 PM  

Oldiron_79: Use of unnecessary force in the apprehension of the Blues Brothers has been approved.


Ha, just watched that one again!
 
2014-03-19 07:37:15 PM  

skinink: The victims of NYC's Stop and Frisk policy laugh at your white people's problems.


www.hahastop.com
 
2014-03-19 07:40:48 PM  

NMTurtlelady: I generally completely dislike Repuglicans, but I make an exception for former Governor Johnson. He was a good governor, an old-school Republican in that he actually focused on smaller government and getting rid of waste and corruption. The whole Big I reconstruction project in Albuquerque took place under his watch, and it came in on time and on (or possibly under) budget. I'm sad I never voted for him, though.

I did vote for Richardson, and look how *that* turned out. His two legacies are the Rail Runner (light rail = good) and corruption on a scale not seen since the Kingfisher in Louisiana....(epic bad).

New Mexico politics makes Louisiana politics look above-board and ethical.


It's the same in Oregon, 4 decades of left wing corrupt crap. It's a crony corral, woohoo money party. Thanks taxpayers. Not a "smidgin" of restraint or afterthought. Blank checks for everyone on Central Committee. It's for the people.
 
2014-03-19 07:40:58 PM  

fusillade762: The act is called a Saturation Patrol, and it was performed recently at Taos Ski Valley by four National Forest Police officers and a drug-sniffing dog.

"Oh look, a brown person. Sit. Good dog."


At a ski area? Unlikely.
 
2014-03-19 07:45:58 PM  
"Saturation patrols" and other inflexible applications of bad laws are the best ways to get bad laws thrown out. Most people assume that because they've always been privileged that bad laws won't be applied to them, or at least very rarely will, in exchange for willfully ignoring the oppression of the brown, the poor, or whomever's scapegoated now.

The problem is, we've gone so far down the rabbit hole that the only options we can vote for in most places are Judge Dredd style THE LAW IS THE LAW, YOU WILL OBEY sheriffs and politicians, creating more bad laws and policies, no matter what side of the political spectrum they hail from. I don't like the idea of revolution, but holy fark, between the tightening surveillance state and the militarization of police agencies, we seem to be going backward from all of the ideals we beat our chests about.
 
2014-03-19 07:45:59 PM  

BSABSVR: Ahh. Government grants don't come from their revenues. Only on Fark would a moron write that with a straight face.

If you're patrolling an area that requires your tactical gear, you should be looking for more serious crimes than cracked windows. If you are in a place where cracked windows are serious business, you don't need tactical gear. And if you have the time to run a saturation patrol, the issues requiring your presence seem dubious at best.


Why would they need to take grants out of revenue; when they've got perfectly good slush funds?

/ and don't forget about graft and patronage
 
2014-03-19 07:48:25 PM  

Spare Me: Pointy Tail of Satan: USA? Oh well, there's your answer. I'm sure more guns can fix it. More guns fixes everything. I think I read that in a Republican memo.

Hey, if you want to be unarmed when the jack boots come rolling in, knock yourself out.


Which should be any day now, right? Seriously, how do you sleep at night with that much fear rattling around your head?
 
2014-03-19 07:52:22 PM  

Wanebo: Benevolent Misanthrope: The Forest Service. Not cops. The farking Forest Service.

The NFS has quite the large Enforcement Division in the last 10 years. Not quite sure why they need that, but it's there...


I've see articles on Fark recently about how Mexican cartels are using national parks and forests for growing weed, especially parks and forests near the border. So I imagine they are militarizing due to that, and due to the fact that they patrol the areas on a regular basis instead of other law enforcement agencies that would be based hours away.
 
2014-03-19 07:53:06 PM  

Spare Me: Police think they are paramilitary in some kind of domestic war. Over the last couple of decades they have been trained that way. Particularly the last 5-6 years.


Read this if you want to be pissed off

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-03-19 07:55:17 PM  

The One True TheDavid: "I could not be more upset about this," said former Gov. Gary Johnson (Wikipedia link), who is also a resident of Taos. "I could not be more upset. Somebody needs to lose their job."

To quote the Wikipedia article on him: "Johnson served as the 29th Governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2003, as a member of the Republican Party."

Sheesh.


Huh?
 
2014-03-19 08:03:15 PM  
Oldiron_79: Use of unnecessary force has been approved.

And encouraged
 
2014-03-19 08:03:47 PM  

ski9600: Oldiron_79: Use of unnecessary force in the apprehension of the Blues Brothers has been approved.

Ha, just watched that one again!


That's a bingo.
 
2014-03-19 08:04:47 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Benevolent Misanthrope: naughtyrev: Look, when we give police departments all this awesome looking gear, they're going to want to use it.

The Forest Service.  Not cops.  The farking Forest Service.

WTF are those guys doing with tacticool gear in the first place?

looking for weed in rich kid's pockets.


I know a retired Park Ranger and he's one of the coolest people I know.  When he saw people smoking weed or drinking in a park he'd cough or sneeze or somehow make himself seen and give them a chance to put things away before he came over and said "Did y'all know weed and booze aren't allowed here?"  Unless, of course, they ignored his "cough" warning or were assholes to him when he went up to them.

I've accidentally pissed off a few Park Rangers in my day and found them to be very non-confrontational and forgiving as long as you apologize to them and treat them well.

Regarding saturation patrols, however. Florida's Broward County Sheriff Office can kiss my unwashed ass.  They go in an area and violate rights knowing a lot of the charges won't stick but it's a pain in the ass to deal with a BS citation and thye know it.
 
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