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(Gawker)   Facebook has hit on a way to make Google+ relevant   (valleywag.gawker.com) divider line 25
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4637 clicks; posted to Business » on 19 Mar 2014 at 6:37 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-03-19 06:37:53 PM  
Well, they'll have to fix this first.

Facebook Fraud

/ I already moved to G+
 
2014-03-19 06:47:39 PM  
Get the extension F.B. Purity for your browser, it will hide or prevent anything appearing on your page that you want. Check it out, it is worth it.
 
2014-03-19 07:00:18 PM  
I was suggesting they start charging a $1 sign-up fee to shut down spammers, but then I realized they'd just use stolen credit cards. They only need it to work for a day.
 
2014-03-19 07:00:49 PM  

hi13760: / I already moved to G+


I didn't realize it was an either-or deal.

/forgot google+ existed until a few weeks ago when google tried to trick me into converting my main gmail account over to it
 
2014-03-19 07:10:17 PM  
Don't know why it should be a surprise that a company wants to make a buck. Anyone who thinks Google or Apple don't data mine the hell from you to help their business is a fool.
 
2014-03-19 07:11:10 PM  
Well fark me.

We've been trying to use Facebook to get around the fark ups our city has related to getting a goddamn postcard in the mail on time regarding public meetings for our neighborhood (meetings required by the city too).

It's hard enough to get even a fraction of the 20,000 people in the neighborhood to show up when they do get a postcard in the mail.

Goddamnit so much.
 
2014-03-19 07:12:44 PM  
I see the Weeners on the gawker article is a similar complaint to mine.

"It's unclear to me how Facebook differentiates businesses from organizations? Last time I set a page up they were the same. It would be monumentally stupid if, say, our neighborhood association page announcements no longer reliably show up in our neighbors' News Feeds "
 
2014-03-19 07:19:21 PM  
I don't care much about private businesses. But I wonder what this will mean for public safety/emergency management agencies who have started to leverage social media to get critical info out to the public. Those agencies aren't going to pay for eyeballs, and probably aren't savvy enough to even realize anything has changed.
 
2014-03-19 07:41:48 PM  

wiseolddude: Get the extension F.B. Purity for your browser, it will hide or prevent anything appearing on your page that you want. Check it out, it is worth it.


YUP.

And set the bloody thing to auto update.
 
2014-03-19 08:11:40 PM  
Goddamnit.  This really bothers me.

This leveled the playing field for a lot of smaller businesses and organizations.

I understand Facebook is in the money making business, not the free advertisement business.  I really hope it is tiered well....
 
2014-03-19 08:18:26 PM  
I'm sure billion dollar corporations will find ways to register themselves as "individuals" on Facebook in much the same way they register themselves as "small businesses" for government tax breaks.


/corporations are people, after all
 
2014-03-19 08:38:24 PM  

gingerjet: hi13760: / I already moved to G+

I didn't realize it was an either-or deal.

/forgot google+ existed until a few weeks ago when google tried to trick me into converting my main gmail account over to it


That is how most people have created an account with G+.  The only people that tend to use it more are douches with few friends on Facebook.
 
2014-03-19 09:02:43 PM  

Nemo's Brother: That is how most people have created an account with G+. The only people that tend to use it more are douches with few friends on Facebook.


I have something like 12 G+ accounts. Every time I do something with gtalk or gmail or youtube, for some reason Google creates a G+ account to service that action. I don't know where they are or what they look like -- I never go there. I don't even know what they're for. But I know they exist with nothing on them.

Good job, Google. You farking morons.
 
2014-03-19 09:09:56 PM  

Nemo's Brother: The only people that tend to use it more are douches with few friends on Facebook.


Or as the rest of the world knows them: employees of Google
 
2014-03-19 10:07:16 PM  

meat0918: Well fark me.

We've been trying to use Facebook to get around the fark ups our city has related to getting a goddamn postcard in the mail on time regarding public meetings for our neighborhood (meetings required by the city too).

It's hard enough to get even a fraction of the 20,000 people in the neighborhood to show up when they do get a postcard in the mail.

Goddamnit so much.


Nextdoor seems to be getting traction and my City has already converted over to it for social media type postings.  Right now the City can't see the conversations inside the private communities they can only post to it.
 
2014-03-19 10:15:42 PM  
I'm guessing that the ROI is going to be terrible for companies -- traditional advertising results in more sales than whatever it will cost to push a post to all of your followers. And thus, companies won't pay it (just as few are buying Facebooks' ads vs Google ads).

And speaking of ads, this move shows how Facebook is finally accepting that there is no revenue in its ads.
 
2014-03-19 10:56:40 PM  
So businesses are going to have to pay for advertising space?  Just like they do pretty much everywhere else?

/I'm okay with this.
 
2014-03-19 11:45:36 PM  

IanMoone: meat0918: Well fark me.

We've been trying to use Facebook to get around the fark ups our city has related to getting a goddamn postcard in the mail on time regarding public meetings for our neighborhood (meetings required by the city too).

It's hard enough to get even a fraction of the 20,000 people in the neighborhood to show up when they do get a postcard in the mail.

Goddamnit so much.

Nextdoor seems to be getting traction and my City has already converted over to it for social media type postings.  Right now the City can't see the conversations inside the private communities they can only post to it.


I would, but it was hard enough to convince them to start a Facebook and Twitter.

Believe it or not, a city survey supposedly* found my neighborhood to only 40% have a computer and internet access in the home.

It's a lot of retirees and working poor.

I finally convinced the neighborhood board (which my wife is co-chair of) that they should have an online presence, even if only to get that 40%.  I begrudgingly volunteered, because I really don't like Facebook, and swore I would never tweet, because I had no reason too.

*I say supposedly because I haven't seen the number, just that it is oft repeated when the board members remind the city they cannot rely on online only surveys for issues that affect our neighborhood, like closing or moving the library.
 
2014-03-20 05:11:55 AM  
*sigh* I run a small business teaching yoga classes. I use facebook to inform students of class cancellations. No promotion, no floofy stuff simply "The hospital needs the conference room, no class this week" "Family emergency, no classes on Thursday" So unless I pay, I'm going to reach 1-2 of my 100 students that liked me on FB. YAY.
 
2014-03-20 07:03:23 AM  
Will this stop the auto play videos?  No?

Then forget it.
 
2014-03-20 09:21:03 AM  
Don't hate on G+... I use both, and G+ is a superior product....  The layout isn't cluttered down with crap like Facebook is, and it has none of the "WTF just happened" moments that FB has.  And the fact that it is so tightly integrated with my google account makes some of the features (like the automatic pic and vid backup) really useful.

It's unfortunate that the user base is so small...  right now, I really only use it to keep connected to the Android devleopment community (which is pretty vibrant on G+, as one would expect).
 
2014-03-20 10:27:53 AM  
For the establishment I work at on the weekends, the possibility of having to pay for facebook is the reason I set up the account as a person and not a business.  Sure you can't measure views, brag about how many likes your business has and all that other garbage, but if you have a huge night at the door and sell a lot of booze, it worked.
 
2014-03-20 10:58:59 AM  
Grand_Moff_Joseph

Get the F.B. Purity extension, that will stop auto play videos and it can block videos from even showing up.
 
2014-03-20 12:25:01 PM  

Xetal: So businesses are going to have to pay for advertising space?  Just like they do pretty much everywhere else?

/I'm okay with this.


And by the looks of it; fan groups, mom & pop shopss with limited budget, community organizations, and news sources.

/I'm not okay with this
 
2014-03-20 01:27:50 PM  

gingerjet: I didn't realize it was an either-or deal.


In terms of explicit exclusive-or, no.  But what is referred to as the "network effect" makes it an either-or deal.  Most people don't want to have "two" of something.  You don't have two cell carrier plans unless forced to by some aspect of your career.  You pick one.  Most people have picked facebook for their social networking.  Adding a second one is "hard".  Not hard in the sense that clicking the few buttons to set up the account is hard, but hard in that now you have to look in two places.  Want to post something - now you are posting in two places.  Want to see what's happening... two places.  This was a problem early in the Internet with chat clients - what service were you on?  That was overcome with a multi-service client.

So there's a opportunity here - create a front end that makes dealing with the social network platforms be transparent.  That way users can arbitrate between the costs of the social networks, and post where appropriate (or cheaper).

Honestly, if FB wants to drive off the zero direct revenue organizations, I'm sure someone else like google will love to use that as an opportunity to build critical mass to displace them from the social network space entirely.
 
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