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(Charlotte Observer)   Rev. Billy Graham's kid: Putin is 'better' on gay issues than Obama. Fark: yes, he meant LGBT crackdowns-what did you think he meant?   (charlotteobserver.com ) divider line 61
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2014-03-19 04:04:01 PM  
Even though I was brought up in a family that revered Billy Graham, I'm now having to wonder whether this nut fell very far from the tree ...
 
2014-03-19 04:25:45 PM  
A statement from the association noted his article went to press before the current crisis in Ukraine that has pitted Putin and Russia against the West.

So you no longer agree with Putin?  Or you just don't want people to know that you share his views, now that Putin looks bad to your conservative base?
 
2014-03-19 04:32:57 PM  
So yet another conservative that views a despot as a hero

/this is getting monotonous
 
2014-03-19 04:37:25 PM  
 
2014-03-19 04:40:44 PM  
Interesting.  I thought he was a Christian.  I guess not.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-03-19 05:00:07 PM  

Solkar: Even though I was brought up in a family that revered Billy Graham, I'm now having to wonder whether this nut fell very far from the tree ...


Billy Graham is one of the good ones.  He did important work during the civil rights movement, and even bailed MLK out of jail.  Those predisposed to hating all things Christian will undoubtedly have things to say about him.

I don't know about his son beyond his trouble with alcoholism and his return to the flock.  I don't know if the son in the article is even the son I just mentioned.  But what he said about Putin and his stance on LGBT and Q! matters was a poor thing to say, and does not demonstrate good character in light of commands to love thy neighbor.
 
2014-03-19 05:06:58 PM  
yeah, Putin has them filthy homos put to death.  which is much better than Obama letting them live their lives.
 
2014-03-19 05:07:05 PM  

433: Solkar: Even though I was brought up in a family that revered Billy Graham, I'm now having to wonder whether this nut fell very far from the tree ...

Billy Graham is one of the good ones.  He did important work during the civil rights movement, and even bailed MLK out of jail.  Those predisposed to hating all things Christian will undoubtedly have things to say about him.

I don't know about his son beyond his trouble with alcoholism and his return to the flock.  I don't know if the son in the article is even the son I just mentioned.  But what he said about Putin and his stance on LGBT and Q! matters was a poor thing to say, and does not demonstrate good character in light of commands to love thy neighbor.


the son has wed himself to the top
 
2014-03-19 05:08:49 PM  
Yeah, count me in with the "Billy Graham good, Franklin Graham WTF?" Crowd.
 
2014-03-19 05:12:09 PM  
Is this a public audition for the Westboro Baptist Church?
 
2014-03-19 05:17:05 PM  

433: Solkar: Even though I was brought up in a family that revered Billy Graham, I'm now having to wonder whether this nut fell very far from the tree ...

Billy Graham is one of the good ones.  He did important work during the civil rights movement, and even bailed MLK out of jail.  Those predisposed to hating all things Christian will undoubtedly have things to say about him.

I don't know about his son beyond his trouble with alcoholism and his return to the flock.  I don't know if the son in the article is even the son I just mentioned.  But what he said about Putin and his stance on LGBT and Q! matters was a poor thing to say, and does not demonstrate good character in light of commands to love thy neighbor.


Which televangelist was the one that said god was going to strike him down unless he got some specific amount of donations in some short period of time? I thought it was Graham.

Either way, he may have been a cool guy in the civil rights era. That doesn't mean he was anything other than any other televangelist with the exception of having his fingers stuck deep into the power hierarchy of DC using his religion to assert his influence into the national government and acquire more filthy lucre.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-03-19 05:21:52 PM  

dr_blasto: Which televangelist was the one that said god was going to strike him down unless he got some specific amount of donations in some short period of time? I thought it was Graham.


You're thinking of Jim Bakker, or perhaps a 700 club guy.  That's not a specific claim that I've heard or read about, but I really don't think that was Graham.  That's not his style.
 
2014-03-19 05:25:35 PM  

433: dr_blasto: Which televangelist was the one that said god was going to strike him down unless he got some specific amount of donations in some short period of time? I thought it was Graham.

You're thinking of Jim Bakker, or perhaps a 700 club guy.  That's not a specific claim that I've heard or read about, but I really don't think that was Graham.  That's not his style.


Ahh, you're right. It was Oral Roberts.
 
2014-03-19 05:33:54 PM  
gawd-DAMN do conservatives love them some putin!

he hates gays, women and minorities! and he loves guns and money! plus, he's corrupt as fark! what's not to love?
 
2014-03-19 05:54:56 PM  

FlashHarry: gawd-DAMN do conservatives love them some putin!

he hates gays, women and minorities! and he loves guns and money! plus, he's corrupt as fark! what's not to love?


And have you seen his shirtless manliness?

a.fod4.com

With a gun, no less.

/I shall now excuse the conservatives for a moment to make a quick trip to the rest stop men's room to "relieve" themselves.
 
2014-03-19 05:57:23 PM  
"Obviously, he may be wrong about many things, but he has taken a stand to protect his nation's children from the damaging effects of any gay and lesbian agenda.

Please, tell us more about these damaging effects that exist only in your head.
 
2014-03-19 06:03:58 PM  

fusillade762: "Obviously, he may be wrong about many things, but he has taken a stand to protect his nation's children from the damaging effects of any gay and lesbian agenda.

Please, tell us more about these damaging effects that exist only in your head.


I guess there's such a thing as being TOO fabulous!

Putin's version of Communism is the same as the right's version of capitalism.
 
2014-03-19 06:14:02 PM  
He just wants to see gay people in chains, like those videos he watches sometimes.
 
2014-03-19 06:15:40 PM  
 So just in case anyone was wondering if they wanted to bring Russian and Ugandan policies to America.
 
2014-03-19 06:16:01 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: He just wants to see gay people in chains, like those videos he watches sometimes.


how many times does he have to tell you to knock before entering his room!
 
2014-03-19 06:21:31 PM  
To be fair, the bar for "conservative heroes"is set pretty low these days.

It used to be the founding fathers, war heroes and the like, but nowadays all you have to do is make some bigoted public remark against gays, liberals or the president, and they'll be falling all over themselves to to give you a reach-around.
 
2014-03-19 06:25:24 PM  

dr_blasto: 433: Solkar: Even though I was brought up in a family that revered Billy Graham, I'm now having to wonder whether this nut fell very far from the tree ...

Billy Graham is one of the good ones.  He did important work during the civil rights movement, and even bailed MLK out of jail.  Those predisposed to hating all things Christian will undoubtedly have things to say about him.

I don't know about his son beyond his trouble with alcoholism and his return to the flock.  I don't know if the son in the article is even the son I just mentioned.  But what he said about Putin and his stance on LGBT and Q! matters was a poor thing to say, and does not demonstrate good character in light of commands to love thy neighbor.

Which televangelist was the one that said god was going to strike him down unless he got some specific amount of donations in some short period of time? I thought it was Graham.

Either way, he may have been a cool guy in the civil rights era. That doesn't mean he was anything other than any other televangelist with the exception of having his fingers stuck deep into the power hierarchy of DC using his religion to assert his influence into the national government and acquire more filthy lucre.


He wasn't really that cool.
 
2014-03-19 06:31:05 PM  

fusillade762: "Obviously, he may be wrong about many things, but he has taken a stand to protect his nation's children from the damaging effects of any gay and lesbian agenda.

Please, tell us more about these damaging effects that exist only in your head.


The most damaging effect to their cause would be the complete lack of damaging effect to everyone else.
 
2014-03-19 06:33:33 PM  
Putin is the IDEAL GOP candidate. They agree on absolutely Everything.
 
2014-03-19 06:40:34 PM  
/son has wed himself to the gop
 
2014-03-19 06:42:42 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: FlashHarry: gawd-DAMN do conservatives love them some putin!

he hates gays, women and minorities! and he loves guns and money! plus, he's corrupt as fark! what's not to love?

And have you seen his shirtless manliness?

[a.fod4.com image 450x300]

With a gun, no less.

/I shall now excuse the conservatives for a moment to make a quick trip to the rest stop men's room to "relieve" themselves.


AND IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU!
 
2014-03-19 06:53:44 PM  
So Franklin Graham is more allied on gay issues with a psychotic "not dictator in name only"
 
2014-03-19 07:02:46 PM  
On the crest of a midterm election where democrats are vulnerable, I applaud the right's decision to embrace homophobia.
 
2014-03-19 07:05:18 PM  
LGBT...crackdowns?

Russia, I know, I know. It's just such a weird concept for me, living in the US. Kind of like cracking down on - I don't know - mashed potatoes? Or, like, snow tires or something. Cracking down on custom-tinted paint, maybe. What is this I don't even.

/Yes, I'm aware Russia persecutes gays. There was a small sporting event in Sochi a bit ago. The issue got some press.
 
2014-03-19 07:12:05 PM  
433:Billy Graham is one of the good ones.  He did important work during the civil rights movement, and even bailed MLK out of jail.  Those predisposed to hating all things Christian will undoubtedly have things to say about him.

I don't know about his son beyond his trouble with alcoholism and his return to the flock.  I don't know if the son in the article is even the son I just mentioned.  But what he said about Putin and his stance on LGBT and Q! matters was a poor thing to say, and does not demonstrate good character in light of commands to love thy neighbor.


Let's recap. If I say anything negative about Billy Graham, I'm a hater of all things Christian. But if Franklin Graham expresses support for government violence against gay people, that's just an oopsie doodle? Have I got that right?
 
2014-03-19 07:13:59 PM  
FTA: "Isn't it sad, though, that America's own morality has fallen so far that on this issue - protecting children from any homosexual agenda or propaganda - Russia's standard is higher than our own?"

I have yet to understand - even in a devil's advocate sort of way - what exactly these people believe to be so dastardly about the "homosexual agenda" that we must "protect our children" from it.

Now that I think about it, I don't think I've even heard a coherent explanation of what they think the "homosexual agenda" even is.  Do they think it is some sort of active recruitment drive?  Or is it in the same ballpark as "UN Agenda #whatever" and it's just some fever dream where they've completely manufactured some fan fiction to scare each other with?

I really don't understand what they're so afraid of all the time...
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-03-19 07:19:36 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Let's recap. If I say anything negative about Billy Graham, I'm a hater of all things Christian


No.  I meant not those that are appropriately critical, but rather, the sort of person who has an agenda bent on misinformation and/or outright hatred of Christianity and possibliy all organized religion, e.g, the sort of person that really ought to just take a pill.  You know, folks that totally seem to lose their shiat in the internet.  It's hard to say reasonable things in threads that are magnets for them.
 
2014-03-19 07:21:53 PM  

Mentat: FirstNationalBastard: FlashHarry: gawd-DAMN do conservatives love them some putin!

he hates gays, women and minorities! and he loves guns and money! plus, he's corrupt as fark! what's not to love?

And have you seen his shirtless manliness?

[a.fod4.com image 450x300]

With a gun, no less.

/I shall now excuse the conservatives for a moment to make a quick trip to the rest stop men's room to "relieve" themselves.

AND IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU!


That's a tune I can tap my foot to.
 
2014-03-19 07:22:57 PM  

GleeUnit: FTA: "Isn't it sad, though, that America's own morality has fallen so far that on this issue - protecting children from any homosexual agenda or propaganda - Russia's standard is higher than our own?"

I have yet to understand - even in a devil's advocate sort of way - what exactly these people believe to be so dastardly about the "homosexual agenda" that we must "protect our children" from it.

Now that I think about it, I don't think I've even heard a coherent explanation of what they think the "homosexual agenda" even is.  Do they think it is some sort of active recruitment drive?  Or is it in the same ballpark as "UN Agenda #whatever" and it's just some fever dream where they've completely manufactured some fan fiction to scare each other with?

I really don't understand what they're so afraid of all the time...


They're afraid of anything their chosen authority figures tell them to be afraid of. Left to their own devices, they're afraid of "unfairness", this being the five-year-old's conception of "unfair", in which someone else "wins".
 
2014-03-19 07:23:55 PM  

GleeUnit: FTA: "Isn't it sad, though, that America's own morality has fallen so far that on this issue - protecting children from any homosexual agenda or propaganda - Russia's standard is higher than our own?"

I have yet to understand - even in a devil's advocate sort of way - what exactly these people believe to be so dastardly about the "homosexual agenda" that we must "protect our children" from it.

Now that I think about it, I don't think I've even heard a coherent explanation of what they think the "homosexual agenda" even is.  Do they think it is some sort of active recruitment drive?  Or is it in the same ballpark as "UN Agenda #whatever" and it's just some fever dream where they've completely manufactured some fan fiction to scare each other with?

I really don't understand what they're so afraid of all the time...


http://www.bettybowers.com/homoagenda.html
 
2014-03-19 07:29:17 PM  

GleeUnit: dastardly about the "homosexual agenda" that we must "protect our children" from it.


They think being gay is a choice.

The agenda is to convert as all and then..I don't know, lots of gay sex or something.
 
2014-03-19 07:41:41 PM  

grumpfuff: GleeUnit: dastardly about the "homosexual agenda" that we must "protect our children" from it.

They think being gay is a choice.

The agenda is to convert us all and then..I don't know, lots of gay sex or something.


FTFM
 
2014-03-19 07:52:30 PM  

GleeUnit: FTA: "Isn't it sad, though, that America's own morality has fallen so far that on this issue - protecting children from any homosexual agenda or propaganda - Russia's standard is higher than our own?"

I have yet to understand - even in a devil's advocate sort of way - what exactly these people believe to be so dastardly about the "homosexual agenda" that we must "protect our children" from it.

Now that I think about it, I don't think I've even heard a coherent explanation of what they think the "homosexual agenda" even is.  Do they think it is some sort of active recruitment drive?  Or is it in the same ballpark as "UN Agenda #whatever" and it's just some fever dream where they've completely manufactured some fan fiction to scare each other with?

I really don't understand what they're so afraid of all the time...


This. (SFW, unless a dude wearing jogging shorts is NSFW)
 
2014-03-19 08:15:17 PM  
Imagine a hellish dystopia where anyone who wants to suck a dick can just go ahead and do it, without so much as fearing that they will be beaten or ostracized for it!
 
2014-03-19 08:27:54 PM  
He is totally not a bigot and you farkers are the real haters for saying sodomites should treated as human beings instead of jailed/executed for crimes against Jesus
 
2014-03-19 08:41:13 PM  

Repo Man: Imagine a hellish dystopia where anyone who wants to suck a dick can just go ahead and do it, without so much as fearing that they will be beaten or ostracized for it!


That makes my penis retract back through the dickhole of my tighty whities so far, I can't even have relations with my wife!
 
2014-03-19 08:45:59 PM  
Yes, because Jesus preferred beatings and imprisonment to tolerance:

Its like telling everyone Neil deGrasse Tyson told you to kill infidels in the name of Allah.
 
2014-03-19 09:07:53 PM  
What gets me with Franklin Graham is that he claims that this is about the children, yet for his alleged concern about protecting children, I don't think I've seen him say squat about his nephew, Boz Tchividjian's efforts to get the evangelical church to finally deal with child abuse in their midst. Boz is a great guy who is doing important work, actually putting the clout that comes from being Billy Graham's grandson to good use to get his foot in the door places to do actual good for humanity. His efforts would go farther if someone like Franklin would join in and say that the church and evangelical parachurch organizations need to take child abuse seriously because it's a real problem.

Instead of doing anything to protect actual children from actual abuse, Franklin is busy praising quasi-dictators for "protecting" children from the imaginary threat from gay people.
 
2014-03-19 09:17:03 PM  

Waldo Pepper: wellreadneck: dr_blasto: 433: Solkar: Even though I was brought up in a family that revered Billy Graham, I'm now having to wonder whether this nut fell very far from the tree ...

Billy Graham is one of the good ones.  He did important work during the civil rights movement, and even bailed MLK out of jail.  Those predisposed to hating all things Christian will undoubtedly have things to say about him.

I don't know about his son beyond his trouble with alcoholism and his return to the flock.  I don't know if the son in the article is even the son I just mentioned.  But what he said about Putin and his stance on LGBT and Q! matters was a poor thing to say, and does not demonstrate good character in light of commands to love thy neighbor.

Which televangelist was the one that said god was going to strike him down unless he got some specific amount of donations in some short period of time? I thought it was Graham.

Either way, he may have been a cool guy in the civil rights era. That doesn't mean he was anything other than any other televangelist with the exception of having his fingers stuck deep into the power hierarchy of DC using his religion to assert his influence into the national government and acquire more filthy lucre.

He wasn't really that cool.

He wasn't perfect.  but he was pretty cool.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_poGsbBgpE 

The best thing about that interview between Billy and Woody is the respect they have toward each other instead trying to talk over or show the other up like we have now.


How respectful would that conversation have been had Billy urged the audience to vote keep  Woody from marrying an Asian girl half his age because  that's what God would want?
 
2014-03-19 09:27:44 PM  

faultytower: Is this a public audition for the Westboro Baptist Church?


Shirley Phelps-Roper just got a little moist.
 
2014-03-19 09:34:35 PM  

GleeUnit: FTA: "Isn't it sad, though, that America's own morality has fallen so far that on this issue - protecting children from any homosexual agenda or propaganda - Russia's standard is higher than our own?"

I have yet to understand - even in a devil's advocate sort of way - what exactly these people believe to be so dastardly about the "homosexual agenda" that we must "protect our children" from it.


Don't you get it? If the homosexual agenda turns everyone gay, we won't procreate anymore. And if Obama lends them his time machine so they can turn everyone gay sometime back in the past, your children will cease to exist. It's the same approach a lot of Colorado towns have adopted to block Gooback immigration.
 
2014-03-19 10:29:04 PM  

GleeUnit: FTA: "Isn't it sad, though, that America's own morality has fallen so far that on this issue - protecting children from any homosexual agenda or propaganda - Russia's standard is higher than our own?"

I have yet to understand - even in a devil's advocate sort of way - what exactly these people believe to be so dastardly about the "homosexual agenda" that we must "protect our children" from it.

Now that I think about it, I don't think I've even heard a coherent explanation of what they think the "homosexual agenda" even is.  Do they think it is some sort of active recruitment drive?  Or is it in the same ballpark as "UN Agenda #whatever" and it's just some fever dream where they've completely manufactured some fan fiction to scare each other with?

I really don't understand what they're so afraid of all the time...


Well, you see, children have to be protected from even knowing that there's such a thing as being gay, because if they know, then as they grow up and some of them discover that they are different, they won't feel horribly bad about themselves for years and years. See?
 
2014-03-19 11:00:52 PM  
Republican Christians: They love KGB dictators more than they love Christ and America.
 
2014-03-19 11:24:00 PM  

From Philly to Boston: I'll just leave this here...

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-06-24-graham-tapes _N .htm


Yup, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.
 
2014-03-20 01:35:41 AM  
As I said when I heard about this yesterday: If your idea of morality is being shiatty to people, you're betraying the teachings of Christ.
 
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