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2014-03-19 06:43:58 PM  

CruJones: I have a good HOA for my house in Memphis.  They fertilize and mow and edge the yards, keep up the roads and sewers , and throw a couple parties with free booze.  Other than that I never hear from them, though they did keep the crazy purple lady across the street from painting her house a violent shade of purple, which I was also ok with.


If I could join an HOA that would maintain my lawn for me, I'd sign up.  I don't care what color my house has to be.
 
2014-03-19 06:46:34 PM  

SquiggsIN: If i found a HOA that could keep my neighbors' cats from shiatting in my yard I might find that useful.

I'm not overly anti-cat but, can any cat people explain to me why it's okay for cats to do that but dog owners can't let their dogs have the run of the neighborhood to find a toilet?


My cats are strictly indoor, but I think some people figure because they bury it, cat shiat just disappears.
Stupid, I know.
 
2014-03-19 06:54:40 PM  

NoahFenze: I hate it when my HOA sends me mail that says "you MAY have weeds.. Please clean up your weeds"



I'm not sure what's so confusing. You may have weeds if you want BUT they must be kept clean. Yours must have been dirty.

/looks like the ribbon is on the wall inside her front door so fark the HOA
 
2014-03-19 06:55:55 PM  

DigitalCoffee: /looks like the ribbon is on the wall inside her front door so fark the HOA


It's on her front porch. A screened in front porch, but a porch nonetheless.
 
2014-03-19 07:15:02 PM  
I wear an invisible ribbon to support apathy awareness.
 
2014-03-19 07:20:31 PM  

peacheslatour: CruJones: peacheslatour: CruJones: I have a good HOA for my house in Memphis.  They fertilize and mow and edge the yards, keep up the roads and sewers , and throw a couple parties with free booze.  Other than that I never hear from them, though they did keep the crazy purple lady across the street from painting her house a violent shade of purple, which I was also ok with.

/she has a purple car and purple lenses on her glasses
//purple flowers, purple clothes, purple door on her house
///purple slashies

I think I once worked with this woman- is her name Sharon by any chance?

I don't remember, I rent it out since I moved. She did always invite me to play penny ante poker with her friends. This is on Mud Island, if that helps.

Nope, Seattle.  She actually lived in a purple house-boat on Lake Union.  Everything she had was farking purple.


For whatever reason I hate the color purple. Still I'd rather live next to a quirky whackjob like that than some uptight twat in a perfectly manicured cookie cutter development.
 
2014-03-19 07:28:32 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.


That's the thing though, nobody wants to live next to that guy. The problem is that most HOAs go WAY beyond that, and once there is no junkyard in the neighborhood and they run out of low hanging fruit, it's on to the more petty "violations".

When I bought my house, the no HOA thing was a major requirement. I keep my place fairly presentable, I don't want to deal with the HOA bullshiat my friends are always biatching about.
 
2014-03-19 07:34:12 PM  

Gunboat: This text is now purple: You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards

I don't understand this comment at all.  My child doesn't have cancer.  You and I have not met.  And what do you mean by "the problem"?  If "the problem" is that I was part of an effort to stop a crazy-ass lady from having a bobcat in a yard next door to small children, then yes, I'm part of "the problem."


Is a bobcat any worse than a large dog? Statistically speaking, which animal harms more children?
 
2014-03-19 07:37:08 PM  

SquiggsIN: If i found a HOA that could keep my neighbors' cats from shiatting in my yard I might find that useful.

I'm not overly anti-cat but, can any cat people explain to me why it's okay for cats to do that but dog owners can't let their dogs have the run of the neighborhood to find a toilet?


Cats usually bury their shiat, can't say I've ever foun cat shiat in my yard.

I keep my own cats indoors though, primarily for their protection. Oddly en
 
2014-03-19 07:38:24 PM  

James10952001: Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.

That's the thing though, nobody wants to live next to that guy. The problem is that most HOAs go WAY beyond that, and once there is no junkyard in the neighborhood and they run out of low hanging fruit, it's on to the more petty "violations".

When I bought my house, the no HOA thing was a major requirement. I keep my place fairly presentable, I don't want to deal with the HOA bullshiat my friends are always biatching about.


You asked a question. I answered it.

I, like you, chose to buy a house in a non-HOA neighborhood for the same reasons you did. However, you and I have different priorities than other folks.
 
2014-03-19 07:39:15 PM  

James10952001: SquiggsIN: If i found a HOA that could keep my neighbors' cats from shiatting in my yard I might find that useful.

I'm not overly anti-cat but, can any cat people explain to me why it's okay for cats to do that but dog owners can't let their dogs have the run of the neighborhood to find a toilet?

Cats usually bury their shiat, can't say I've ever foun cat shiat in my yard.

I keep my own cats indoors though, primarily for their protection. Oddly en


I meant oddly enough my current gang of felines seem to have no real interest in going outside anyway so it's been easy. A cat I used to have was a regular Houdini and keeping him in proved so difficult I gave up. Eventually a coyote got him.
 
2014-03-19 07:41:58 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: James10952001: Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.

That's the thing though, nobody wants to live next to that guy. The problem is that most HOAs go WAY beyond that, and once there is no junkyard in the neighborhood and they run out of low hanging fruit, it's on to the more petty "violations".

When I bought my house, the no HOA thing was a major requirement. I keep my place fairly presentable, I don't want to deal with the HOA bullshiat my friends are always biatching about.

You asked a question. I answered it.

I, like you, chose to buy a house in a non-HOA neighborhood for the same reasons you did. However, you and I have different priorities than other folks.


I didn't ask the question, that was somebody else.

The biggest problem I see with HOAs is that they spread like cancer and it's getting harder all the time to simply choose a house without one.
 
2014-03-19 07:43:54 PM  

James10952001: Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.

That's the thing though, nobody wants to live next to that guy. The problem is that most HOAs go WAY beyond that, and once there is no junkyard in the neighborhood and they run out of low hanging fruit, it's on to the more petty "violations".

When I bought my house, the no HOA thing was a major requirement. I keep my place fairly presentable, I don't want to deal with the HOA bullshiat my friends are always biatching about.


I would not mind living next to that guy.  It's almost guaranteed he won't care about the condition of my yard.

/off my lawn already
 
2014-03-19 07:44:32 PM  
True. I apologize.

A question was asked. I answered it.

I, like you, chose...
 
2014-03-19 07:49:06 PM  
Two of my neighbors' places:
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No HOAs in my neighborhood. I'm actually glad, in spite of the weirdness.
 
2014-03-19 07:50:34 PM  

SavageWombat: CruJones:

If I could join an HOA that would maintain my lawn for me, I'd sign up.  I don't care what color my house has to be.


right there with ya bro....however, taking that free lawn-care (well not so much free on several levels) means you also have to accept all the other little stupid bossy pricks who also live there. And they turned into the Stasi because they want things to be the way they define.  Too bad theres a prick out there right know that's got a problem with the pink ribbon. If I were the board, I'd do a fast 180 on this and even daylight the original complainer, just to get out of the way of the avalanche that's about to hit.
 
2014-03-19 07:53:20 PM  
POPCORN! Getcha POPCORN!
 
2014-03-19 07:55:08 PM  

James10952001: Gunboat: This text is now purple: You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards

I don't understand this comment at all.  My child doesn't have cancer.  You and I have not met.  And what do you mean by "the problem"?  If "the problem" is that I was part of an effort to stop a crazy-ass lady from having a bobcat in a yard next door to small children, then yes, I'm part of "the problem."

Is a bobcat any worse than a large dog? Statistically speaking, which animal harms more children?


A valid question, considering how equal the sample population sizes are.
 
2014-03-19 08:01:53 PM  
When I retire, I'm going to run the shiat out of an HOA with an iron fist. My neighbors will cower before me. Trolling IRL is way better than doing it on the internet.
 
2014-03-19 08:03:21 PM  

jaylectricity: If you don't like your HOA how about you, I dunno, SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS.

Then turn all the reasonable people against the busy-body power-freak.


CSB: Friends of mine live in an HOA and got annoyed at some of the policies and began showing up to meetings. My friends are in their 30s with full time jobs and kids.

The HOA moved their meetings to 8:30 am Mondays and conveniently lacked quorum during holidays or when school was out.
 
2014-03-19 08:08:33 PM  

grimlock1972: I have always wanted to see what would happen if someone went to court and was able to get the right to buy a house in an HOA with out joining the HOA.
I can't see how any could long stay running so long as people don't opt to join.

That said i have never heard of any one trying this sort of thing, i would imagine cause its alot cheaper just to find a house thats not in an HoA than to fight not to have to join one when you buy a house.


And anyone who is trying to buy a home in an HOA while also trying to not be part of the HOA is probably going to be....unpleasant in front of a jury.
 
2014-03-19 08:16:53 PM  

Treetop1000: SavageWombat: CruJones:

If I could join an HOA that would maintain my lawn for me, I'd sign up.  I don't care what color my house has to be.

right there with ya bro....however, taking that free lawn-care (well not so much free on several levels) means you also have to accept all the other little stupid bossy pricks who also live there. And they turned into the Stasi because they want things to be the way they define.  Too bad theres a prick out there right know that's got a problem with the pink ribbon. If I were the board, I'd do a fast 180 on this and even daylight the original complainer, just to get out of the way of the avalanche that's about to hit.


If you want someone to maintain your lawn, you can hire a landscaper without having to live in a mini totalitarian regime. You'd have to pay for it one way or another anyway, nothing is free.
 
2014-03-19 08:20:47 PM  

hotter than the ads: James10952001: Gunboat: This text is now purple: You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards

I don't understand this comment at all.  My child doesn't have cancer.  You and I have not met.  And what do you mean by "the problem"?  If "the problem" is that I was part of an effort to stop a crazy-ass lady from having a bobcat in a yard next door to small children, then yes, I'm part of "the problem."

Is a bobcat any worse than a large dog? Statistically speaking, which animal harms more children?

A valid question, considering how equal the sample population sizes are.


Well does population size matter? If a neighborhood has one pet bobcat and 50 pet large dogs, do you go after the bobcat or the dogs? What poses a greater risk overall? Is a bobcat inherently dangerous? How about a pitbull? It's not as cut and dry as it may appear.

Around here it's not unheard of to see actual wild bobcats and mountain lions and such roaming the suburbs from time to time and those aren't tame pets. *shrug*
 
2014-03-19 08:24:12 PM  

BSABSVR: jaylectricity: If you don't like your HOA how about you, I dunno, SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS.

Then turn all the reasonable people against the busy-body power-freak.

CSB: Friends of mine live in an HOA and got annoyed at some of the policies and began showing up to meetings. My friends are in their 30s with full time jobs and kids.

The HOA moved their meetings to 8:30 am Mondays and conveniently lacked quorum during holidays or when school was out.


It's worth taking some time off work to deal with bullshiat like that. It's not always practical though. Friend of mine was in a very similar situation. The retired folks and stay at home moms could attend the meetings at inconvenient times. It's legal discrimination.
 
2014-03-19 08:30:04 PM  

DigitalCoffee: NoahFenze: I hate it when my HOA sends me mail that says "you MAY have weeds.. Please clean up your weeds"


I'm not sure what's so confusing. You may have weeds if you want BUT they must be kept clean. Yours must have been dirty.

/looks like the ribbon is on the wall inside her front door so fark the HOA


Not sure if serious. If my weeds were kept clean I wouldn't get a letter.. It reads like "you might have weeds, you might not.. So here's a letter". I get sending a letter if something looks nasty.. It's just a minor complaint.. I get they're trying to sound nice in the letter.. But I'd prefer just a letter saying.. "You have weeds, take care if that shiat"..

Because with the "may" being there.. I then wonder if everyone else gets the letter.. I wonder which length is acceptable... Are other people getting this letter?
 
2014-03-19 08:31:22 PM  

NoahFenze: DigitalCoffee: NoahFenze: I hate it when my HOA sends me mail that says "you MAY have weeds.. Please clean up your weeds"


I'm not sure what's so confusing. You may have weeds if you want BUT they must be kept clean. Yours must have been dirty.

/looks like the ribbon is on the wall inside her front door so fark the HOA

Not sure if serious. If my weeds were kept clean I wouldn't get a letter.. It reads like "you might have weeds, you might not.. So here's a letter". I get sending a letter if something looks nasty.. It's just a minor complaint.. I get they're trying to sound nice in the letter.. But I'd prefer just a letter saying.. "You have weeds, take care if that shiat"..

Because with the "may" being there.. I then wonder if everyone else gets the letter.. I wonder which length is acceptable... Are other people getting this letter?


Those aren't weeds, that's my dandilion and thistle garden!
 
2014-03-19 08:32:16 PM  

DigitalCoffee: NoahFenze: I hate it when my HOA sends me mail that says "you MAY have weeds.. Please clean up your weeds"


I'm not sure what's so confusing. You may have weeds if you want BUT they must be kept clean. Yours must have been dirty.

/looks like the ribbon is on the wall inside her front door so fark the HOA


Addition: it's been a while since I've read the letter.. But I remember most of us always joking about the "may" have weeds.. Maybe I need to read it again to see if it's saying that I'm allowed to have weeds, just not shiatty weeds.
 
2014-03-19 08:41:12 PM  

cynicalminion: phenn: Homeowners Associations. The PTA for adults.

They can all chew a massive, infected member.

goddammitsomuch...


You deserve a pony and a case of bourbon for that.
 
2014-03-19 08:44:53 PM  
Do you really WANT to win a battle against your HOA?
 
2014-03-19 08:50:23 PM  

BSABSVR: grimlock1972: I have always wanted to see what would happen if someone went to court and was able to get the right to buy a house in an HOA with out joining the HOA.
I can't see how any could long stay running so long as people don't opt to join.

That said i have never heard of any one trying this sort of thing, i would imagine cause its alot cheaper just to find a house thats not in an HoA than to fight not to have to join one when you buy a house.

And anyone who is trying to buy a home in an HOA while also trying to not be part of the HOA is probably going to be....unpleasant in front of a jury.


I agree with you on that count.
 
2014-03-19 09:09:16 PM  
If you buy real estate governed by a HOA, you are a damn fool, and deserve every bad thing that happens to you as a result.
 
2014-03-19 09:11:19 PM  
One of my friends just died of cancer yesterday.  I am in no mood for your shiat, Earth.

HOAs can go fark themselves.
 
2014-03-19 09:24:03 PM  

James10952001:

Is a bobcat any worse than a large dog?

Lets find out...

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ElPollotonto: Do you really WANT to win a battle against your HOA?


Either outcome is bad. If you lose then you have to pay the HOA plus lawyer fees and they'll have you on their shiat list as a troublemaker. If you win, well... where does that money come from? That's right, you and your neighbors. Now the association fees go up to pay your settlement. Part of that will come out of your own pocket and the rest will come from some very pissed off neighbors that don't like their rates going up.

/the only winning move is not to play
 
2014-03-19 09:45:04 PM  
I live in the DC metro area. "non HOA neighborhoods" are not a thing.
 
2014-03-19 10:04:36 PM  
I'd consider that a symbol, personally, and the regs don't say anything about affixing a symbol to the property.
 
2014-03-20 12:10:41 AM  
From a Breast Cancer survivor AND HOA VP - screw that shiat!  Most HOA stuff is the 3 Ps - people, pets and parking in our little association.  Some people have too much time on their hands and should use it volunteering instead of snooping.

Inside her place?  Really - not cool at all
 
2014-03-20 12:38:08 AM  

umad: When I retire, I'm going to run the shiat out of an HOA with an iron fist. My neighbors will cower before me. Trolling IRL is way better than doing it on the internet.


We get asshats wanting on the board, and sometimes they get there.  They are usually laughed at and otherwise ignored.  If they propose something (like putting in a walkway from their front door to their parking spot), we laugh even harder.
 
2014-03-20 12:44:01 AM  

James10952001: hotter than the ads: James10952001: Gunboat: This text is now purple: You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards

I don't understand this comment at all.  My child doesn't have cancer.  You and I have not met.  And what do you mean by "the problem"?  If "the problem" is that I was part of an effort to stop a crazy-ass lady from having a bobcat in a yard next door to small children, then yes, I'm part of "the problem."

Is a bobcat any worse than a large dog? Statistically speaking, which animal harms more children?

A valid question, considering how equal the sample population sizes are.

Well does population size matter? If a neighborhood has one pet bobcat and 50 pet large dogs, do you go after the bobcat or the dogs? What poses a greater risk overall? Is a bobcat inherently dangerous? How about a pitbull? It's not as cut and dry as it may appear.

Around here it's not unheard of to see actual wild bobcats and mountain lions and such roaming the suburbs from time to time and those aren't tame pets. *shrug*


I walked my dogs before our last meeting - and happened to have the bag with me.  An owner suggested we ban dog-owners b/c their pets leave shiat all over.  I put the bag on the table and asked if this was where we should leave it.

Yes, fresh blood on the board wakes everyone up
 
2014-03-20 12:56:11 AM  
And THAT, everyone, is why HOA's suck and should be avoided at all costs.

<3 antennas
 
2014-03-20 12:57:39 AM  

ban_sidhe: Two of my neighbors' places:
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No HOAs in my neighborhood. I'm actually glad, in spite of the weirdness.


Your second neighbor must be a blast at block parties and political rallies!
//trade you for the asshat that cuts across my property with his damn truck
//seriously, rather have an oddball than a jerk
 
2014-03-20 08:53:45 AM  

jaylectricity: If you don't like your HOA how about you, I dunno, SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS.

Then turn all the reasonable people against the busy-body power-freak.


Begone, and take your rationality, preference for democracy, and adherence to contract law with you.
 
2014-03-20 08:57:31 AM  

cc_rider: Picture of said pink ribbon inside her door
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HOA rule on displaying things

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The clear answer here is to just never, never live in an HOA community (unless you like that kind of thing).


Or find one with less restrictive covenants.  That "in" is what's killing ribbon-lady here...I've done real-estate law for 15 years in Mass, and I've never seen HOA regs that banned "signs" INSIDE the home.

Granny's "Bless This Home" knitting sampler?  Gone.

Ribbon-lady should sue her purchasing attorney for malpractice...assuming she bothered to hire one.

If she didn't...well, sucks to be her.
 
2014-03-20 09:04:58 AM  

Dawnrazor: grimlock1972: I have always wanted to see what would happen if someone went to court and was able to get the right to buy a house in an HOA with out joining the HOA.
I can't see how any could long stay running so long as people don't opt to join.

That said i have never heard of any one trying this sort of thing, i would imagine cause its alot cheaper just to find a house thats not in an HoA than to fight not to have to join one when you buy a house.

Usually, the HOA is part of the deed restrictions on real estate.  Deed restrictions are damn near impossible to remove.


Typically, you just need a majority of the affected deed holders to agree, and then go to Land Court (your state may vary).  Legally speaking, it's not impossible, or even really very difficult, to dissolve an HOA.  (ymmv)

But since nobody held a gun to the people who bought in...presumably the good outweighs the bad for them, so good luck getting a majority of them to agree.
 
2014-03-20 09:08:00 AM  

Bob Falfa: ManateeGag: one of the many reasons I won't move anywhere with a "home owner's association"

No kidding. I once rented a house with an HOA. The owner almost got in a lot of trouble for having his roof shingles replaced with a "wrong color" shingle. Not sure how he got out of that one.


I got one better: Worked a legal case where an HOA required shingles be replaced with exactly the same shingle - color, manufacturer, and style. Unfortunately, the manufacturer ceased production of that style several years prior. More unfortunately, since this issue was peripheral to the actual case I was working, I'm also not sure how the homeowner resolved this. SO glad I built my own house on 9 acres free of encumbrances other than the tax bill.
 
2014-03-20 09:19:29 AM  

PunGent: cc_rider: Picture of said pink ribbon inside her door
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HOA rule on displaying things

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The clear answer here is to just never, never live in an HOA community (unless you like that kind of thing).

Or find one with less restrictive covenants.  That "in" is what's killing ribbon-lady here...I've done real-estate law for 15 years in Mass, and I've never seen HOA regs that banned "signs" INSIDE the home.

Granny's "Bless This Home" knitting sampler?  Gone.

Ribbon-lady should sue her purchasing attorney for malpractice...assuming she bothered to hire one.

If she didn't...well, sucks to be her.


As I've pointed out numerous times in this thread (but have continuously been ignored) the ribbon sign was not "in" her house. It was "on" her front porch.
 
2014-03-20 09:22:02 AM  

flondrix: maram500: I apologize for sounding like a dick, but...she signed the Homeowners Association documents. She knew what that meant, and now she's crying foul. You cannot do this (unless of course you work for Fox News).


Do you think it was clear at the time of purchase that the HOA could regulate what she displays inside her home?  Or, maybe this is some busybody's new interpretation of a badly worded phrase buried in the middle of a very long document.


From my experience with HOAs in the legal world, I vote with flondrix. Those busybodies can find shiat that a lawyer would have to look twice to see.
 
2014-03-20 09:24:37 AM  

Lord Thorn: flondrix: maram500: I apologize for sounding like a dick, but...she signed the Homeowners Association documents. She knew what that meant, and now she's crying foul. You cannot do this (unless of course you work for Fox News).


Do you think it was clear at the time of purchase that the HOA could regulate what she displays inside her home?  Or, maybe this is some busybody's new interpretation of a badly worded phrase buried in the middle of a very long document.

From my experience with HOAs in the legal world, I vote with flondrix. Those busybodies can find shiat that a lawyer would have to look twice to see.


Again. Not in her house. On her front porch.
 
2014-03-20 10:49:55 AM  

maram500: There is a very good reason my mother hasn't done a single thing to the outside of her house in the seven years she's owned it and an equally-good reason she pays some retired guy thirty bucks each time to mow the yard every two or three weeks.


And here is the problem with HOAs. Note the text I bolded... it's not hers if she can't do what she wants with it.
 
2014-03-20 10:57:19 AM  
I don't care what anybody says, I'm just glad someone is finally taking a stand against breast cancer awareness.
 
2014-03-20 11:09:53 AM  

rewind2846: maram500: There is a very good reason my mother hasn't done a single thing to the outside of her house in the seven years she's owned it and an equally-good reason she pays some retired guy thirty bucks each time to mow the yard every two or three weeks.

And here is the problem with HOAs. Note the text I bolded... it's not hers if she can't do what she wants with it.


By that logic, nobody owns any houses in the 99% of the U.S. that's in towns, counties, or cities.  HOA is just another layer of regs.

We JUST had a thread about the crappy Kelo decision, after all.  And even that ignores all the local and state regulations almost every home is subject to.

And it ignores the fact that you can't do what you like with a home where the bank holds the mortgage anyway...which is, again, most of the U.S. housing stock.
 
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