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2014-03-19 05:15:00 PM  
Well tbh I hate those stupid ribbons. All colors. They are all over the place. There's like 20 of them, and that's just for cancer.

I can't wait for the yellow cancer ribbon folks to duke it out with the yellow soldiers ribbon folks. I'm sure there's gonna be a lawsuit over that.

And as for HOAville, go on taking rights away from homeowners. Used to be SCOTUS ruled that you can't sell or trade or waive your rights away. But I guess since the KKK stopped that tactic it became legal.
 
2014-03-19 05:15:15 PM  

James10952001: red5ish: Wow. You guys are getting all excited about a Washington Times article, as if what they write about actually happened. Amazing.

Those of us who have dealt with an HOA in one way or another know that this type of thing happens all the time. I don't care so much about this specific case.

Yes I know that some HOAs do what they're supposed to and maintain communal property, but it's only a matter of time before some douchy busybody ends up in charge.


Yep... My wie used to work with one such person. he was in charge of his HOA and it literally made his day when he got to go home after work and fine someone.

One time, some people went out of town and asked some friends who lived in the same place to stop by and check on the condo. Those people left the porch light on,  which was a "violation" if left on during the day. This guy was super excited because he was going to get to fine the owners AND the people who left the light on, since they were residents, too. What an asshole.
 
2014-03-19 05:16:22 PM  
II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?
 
2014-03-19 05:16:41 PM  

SquiggsIN: I really should drive my truck more but, it gets crap for gas mileage.


Yep...mine gets driven only when the snow/mud is bad. Otherwise it sits outside because of the bad gas mileage. (But at least I can park it out there!)

Gunboat: because it shiats in a box and eats cat food.


This sounds like some toddlers I know....
 
2014-03-19 05:18:12 PM  

ManateeGag: Bob Falfa: ManateeGag: one of the many reasons I won't move anywhere with a "home owner's association"

No kidding. I once rented a house with an HOA. The owner almost got in a lot of trouble for having his roof shingles replaced with a "wrong color" shingle. Not sure how he got out of that one.

my yard looks like a bomb went off because the crap weather.  it hasn't been warm enough to do anything.  if we had an HOA, they'd find the shiat out of us.


Are you lost? Are you hiding from them because of your messy yard? I don't understand.
 
2014-03-19 05:18:22 PM  

Zeeba Neighba: SquiggsIN: I really should drive my truck more but, it gets crap for gas mileage.

Yep...mine gets driven only when the snow/mud is bad. Otherwise it sits outside because of the bad gas mileage. (But at least I can park it out there!)

Gunboat: because it shiats in a box and eats cat food.

This sounds like some toddlers I know....



That sounds like some FARKers I know....
 
2014-03-19 05:18:29 PM  
The hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy describes Home Owner Associations as:
"A bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes."
 
2014-03-19 05:20:13 PM  
HOA can be nice if they stay to just roads/command areas. It when get to many people living and voting in charge who want to get into saying what color your house can be and if you can build this or that or park a work car/truck in your yard that they get out of hand..

This is what has happen to every hoa in my area.  I am so glade I don't live in one.  If I ever do it be in one that the town has limit the HOA power.(if there are any like that).

I know a town near me is looking into the legal aspect of that.  The town is happy of the fact that they are very owner friendly with property.  They think that a person should be able to change and use their land as they see fit to enjoy it. I mean with in reason.  They don't want people turning their yards in to junkyards or making unsafe buildings.

They are atm last I knew looking into crafting rules and such for the HOA that state that the HOA power is limit to roads/command area and that the HOA can't say what a person dose with their house/land or what they park or put on it.
 
2014-03-19 05:21:12 PM  

r1niceboy: My cousin lives in a house that's part of an HOA. It's like the associations chairmen/women gravitate to the post the same way a turd will drift to the side of the toilet bowl. It's a natural fit for those of a douchebagic disposition. I'm betting they also love Roberts rules.


Once upon a life when I moved from managing rental properties to HOA/COAs the first thing I was given upon taking over my new office was a copy of Roberts. I thumbed through and thought it odd that such a thing would be useful... then I met my clients.

These people loooooooove rules. Love them. The more, the merrier.

/bailed just before the "bubble" broke
//Real Estate companies have a hard time paying salaries when houses stop moving
 
2014-03-19 05:22:31 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?


The property comes "burdened" with the covenants.  It's like an easement for gas or water.  The new owner must take the property with the covenants.  Owner's only recourse is not to buy.
 
2014-03-19 05:23:15 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?


When you buy the house you sign an agreement to be in the HOA and also agree to only sell to someone who will agree to be in the HOA.

Fun fact: This practice was invented to keep neighborhoods white.
 
2014-03-19 05:23:48 PM  

SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.


I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.
 
2014-03-19 05:26:33 PM  

James10952001: red5ish: Wow. You guys are getting all excited about a Washington Times article, as if what they write about actually happened. Amazing.

Those of us who have dealt with an HOA in one way or another know that this type of thing happens all the time. I don't care so much about this specific case.

Yes I know that some HOAs do what they're supposed to and maintain communal property, but it's only a matter of time before some douchy busybody ends up in charge.


Has someone made a summer movie about an overreaching HOA yet? There is plenty of material.
I'm not saying crazy HOA abuses don't occur; I just don't believe anything reported by the Washington Times without independent confirmation from an actual news source. Could this story be true? That really isn't the sort of question readers should be asking about a "news" story, unless they are reading the story while waiting in the checkout line at the supermarket. The Washington Times is a short step away from reporting Jennifer Aniston's abduction by aliens.
 
2014-03-19 05:27:18 PM  
So how can someone report seeing that banner inside someone's house and not be arrested as a Peeping Tom.  If they were invited in then maybe.  But this further shows that HOAs are worse for personal freedom than the Patriot act.
 
2014-03-19 05:27:54 PM  

SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.


My backyard backs to a golf course so I am getting a kick!

I wonder what you base this assumption on, we have a ton of birds and rabbits all around. If you did your poll via telephone you may get skewed results as many younger birds and rabbits don't have land lines any more, they are completely cell.
 
2014-03-19 05:30:01 PM  
I recall a Dave Berg comic from an old edition of Mad Magazine.


A crotchety old woman has called the police. A cop shows up at her house. She says something like, "The man next door is taking a shower without closing his blinds!" The cop looks at the house next door and says, "Lady, it's a quarter mile away. I can't see anything."


The old lady holds up a pair of binoculars and says: "You have to use THESE!"


/Or something like that.
 
2014-03-19 05:30:28 PM  

Theaetetus: This thread is worthless without pictures:
Miss Karp said she received a letter Thursday night from the association at Regent's Park in Naples demanding she take her down the pink ribbon from her wall.
"It's on the inside of my entry-way," she told the station.

Are we talking about a wall inside a house and visible through a window next to a door:
[www.yourlondonplace.com image 528x396]

Or are we talking about a giant ribbon inside a screened-in porch:
[images.familyhomeplans.com image 600x400]


Either way, who gives a Fark?

Actually the article suggests an appropriate solution; it says that she is "standing her ground".  Since this is Florida, if she's white she can just shoot the HOA and claim to have been "standing her ground".
 
2014-03-19 05:30:44 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.


At least here, those kind of issues can be reported to city code enforcement, and they'll take of it.
 
2014-03-19 05:31:04 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?


Yes the developer would refuse to sell, in addition once you purchase into a HOA and want to sell to someone else you are required to get them to sign the HOA before the deal can be closed.
 
2014-03-19 05:32:39 PM  

Prometheus_Unbound: Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.

At least here, those kind of issues can be reported to city code enforcement, and they'll take of it.


In our area city code enforcement has been slashed and the developments are required to have an HOA. It is just a shifting of the same duties from an incompetent and inefficient civil agency to an inefficient and incompetent private one.
 
2014-03-19 05:35:51 PM  

maram500: I apologize for sounding like a dick, but...she signed the Homeowners Association documents. She knew what that meant, and now she's crying foul. You cannot do this (unless of course you work for Fox News).



Do you think it was clear at the time of purchase that the HOA could regulate what she displays inside her home?  Or, maybe this is some busybody's new interpretation of a badly worded phrase buried in the middle of a very long document.
 
2014-03-19 05:36:06 PM  
Wow.
I must be lucky as our HOA pretty much leaves us alone until the dues come. And then it's just a reminder letter.
The meetings seem to be an excuse for the board and attendants to booze up too.
 
2014-03-19 05:37:22 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: What the hell kind of crap reporting is this?


mamaleche.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-19 05:37:51 PM  

jst3p: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?

When you buy the house you sign an agreement to be in the HOA and also agree to only sell to someone who will agree to be in the HOA.

Fun fact: This practice was invented to keep neighborhoods white.


Its more of a socio-economic thing.  You can be kinda brown but you need to wear a sweater vest and love Jesus.  You dont want hippies or trailer folk even if they're white.
 
2014-03-19 05:38:19 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?


I believe they are attached to the deed.  You "buy" the terms of the HOA agreement when you buy the property.
 
2014-03-19 05:38:47 PM  
Slight confusion... Is she hanging this in HER property or in a COMMON area? If it's in her property, great, but if it's in a COMMON area, not good. That's why there's a HOA (whether you like them or not) and why you should NEVER sign anything without reading it first.*

*Common Sense 101 (you don't need a law degree)
 
2014-03-19 05:39:55 PM  

flondrix: Do you think it was clear at the time of purchase that the HOA could regulate what she displays inside her home? Or, maybe this is some busybody's new interpretation of a badly worded phrase buried in the middle of a very long document.


See one of my earlier, upthread posts. As much as she wants it to be not true, a porch (even screened in) is not "inside a home".
 
2014-03-19 05:40:11 PM  

jumac: HOA can be nice if they stay to just roads/command areas. It when get to many people living and voting in charge who want to get into saying what color your house can be and if you can build this or that or park a work car/truck in your yard that they get out of hand..

This is what has happen to every hoa in my area.  I am so glade I don't live in one.  If I ever do it be in one that the town has limit the HOA power.(if there are any like that).

I know a town near me is looking into the legal aspect of that.  The town is happy of the fact that they are very owner friendly with property.  They think that a person should be able to change and use their land as they see fit to enjoy it. I mean with in reason.  They don't want people turning their yards in to junkyards or making unsafe buildings.

They are atm last I knew looking into crafting rules and such for the HOA that state that the HOA power is limit to roads/command area and that the HOA can't say what a person dose with their house/land or what they park or put on it.


Sick dude, just sick.
 
2014-03-19 05:42:05 PM  

IronOcelot: Wow.
I must be lucky as our HOA pretty much leaves us alone until the dues come. And then it's just a reminder letter.
The meetings seem to be an excuse for the board and attendants to booze up too.


There are cool HOAs.  Especially in younger communities.  I lived in a high rise and the HOA did a great job improving the common areas and threw a fun party with free food and booze once a month.
 
2014-03-19 05:44:58 PM  
Amendment XXVIII
Avowal to the Rights of Property of US Citizens

Henceforth, no restrictions upon an owner's home shall be enforceable if the restricting party is non-governmental organization. All signed documents of rules and restrictions required to purchase said property shall no longer be enforceable. Furthermore, any attempts by the government to remove property from a citizen for the greater good of the community, known as eminent domain, must be proven that the community has great need for the owner's land and would otherwise suffer hardship without it and not solely be for an increase in local government revenue.
 
2014-03-19 05:45:18 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.


Ahh, yes, I've seen that Nova.  Out in the driveway for decades, gets fired up in the beginning of summer with no mufflers at 8 in the morning.  Then, of course, they give up working on it a couple weeks later only to retry it again the following summer.  Then there is the rental house with about 3 families living it it.  Has 6 or 7 cars taking up all the spaces around their house and the neighbors.  Constant noise 24/7 and occupants who don't care about those around them and property value, those are fun to live next to.
 
2014-03-19 05:47:21 PM  
I love that my HOA keeps YOU lot out! You don't belong on my street!!!
 
2014-03-19 05:48:24 PM  

Gunboat: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?

The property comes "burdened" with the covenants.  It's like an easement for gas or water.  The new owner must take the property with the covenants.  Owner's only recourse is not to buy.


This.

Future owners don't have to sign anything, it runs with the property. There is little any future owner can do, except try to end the CC&Rs. Most have expiration dates with automatic renewals.
 
2014-03-19 05:48:47 PM  
so there is no other place to put it???
 
2014-03-19 05:50:08 PM  

Gunboat: CSB

   I was a trial lawyer in a past life.  Crazy lady had a pet bobcat, and her HOA had a "no wild animals" clause.  Crazy lady said bobcat was a "domestic" animal because it shiats in a box and eats cat food.
   HOA hired me to sue the lady.  We won at trial, but let me say that picking the jury was super-interesting, as the hatred for HOAs is palpable.
   Crazy lady put the jury verdict on appeal, and a friend of mine successfully handled it at the appellate level.  Reported opinion is here:  http://opinions.aoc.arkansas.gov/weblink8/0/doc/273262/Electronic.asp x

/csb


You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards.
 
2014-03-19 05:51:37 PM  

This text is now purple: Gunboat: CSB

   I was a trial lawyer in a past life.  Crazy lady had a pet bobcat, and her HOA had a "no wild animals" clause.  Crazy lady said bobcat was a "domestic" animal because it shiats in a box and eats cat food.
   HOA hired me to sue the lady.  We won at trial, but let me say that picking the jury was super-interesting, as the hatred for HOAs is palpable.
   Crazy lady put the jury verdict on appeal, and a friend of mine successfully handled it at the appellate level.  Reported opinion is here:  http://opinions.aoc.arkansas.gov/weblink8/0/doc/273262/Electronic.asp x

/csb

You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards.


ryanesaki.com
 
2014-03-19 05:53:53 PM  
She should just say it is a religious observation.

It is a modern sanitary version of marking the doorposts her home with the blood of a slaughtered spring lamb, to tell God not to kill anybody in her house.

lets make this a religious freedom vs. HOA fight.
 
2014-03-19 05:55:29 PM  

This text is now purple: You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards


I don't understand this comment at all.  My child doesn't have cancer.  You and I have not met.  And what do you mean by "the problem"?  If "the problem" is that I was part of an effort to stop a crazy-ass lady from having a bobcat in a yard next door to small children, then yes, I'm part of "the problem."
 
2014-03-19 05:55:39 PM  

ongbok: ManateeGag: Bob Falfa: ManateeGag: one of the many reasons I won't move anywhere with a "home owner's association"

No kidding. I once rented a house with an HOA. The owner almost got in a lot of trouble for having his roof shingles replaced with a "wrong color" shingle. Not sure how he got out of that one.

my yard looks like a bomb went off because the crap weather.  it hasn't been warm enough to do anything.  if we had an HOA, they'd find the shiat out of us.

Are you lost? Are you hiding from them because of your messy yard? I don't understand.


I'm just a shiatty typist.
 
2014-03-19 05:55:46 PM  
I hate it when my HOA sends me mail that says "you MAY have weeds.. Please clean up your weeds"

What do you mean I "may" have weeds? Like, you didn't come to actually look, and this is a generic letter? If I have weeds, don't beat around the bush. Just say "you have weeds that need to be taken care of you son of a biatch"
 
2014-03-19 05:58:41 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-19 06:00:15 PM  

This text is now purple: Gunboat: CSB

   I was a trial lawyer in a past life.  Crazy lady had a pet bobcat, and her HOA had a "no wild animals" clause.  Crazy lady said bobcat was a "domestic" animal because it shiats in a box and eats cat food.
   HOA hired me to sue the lady.  We won at trial, but let me say that picking the jury was super-interesting, as the hatred for HOAs is palpable.
   Crazy lady put the jury verdict on appeal, and a friend of mine successfully handled it at the appellate level.  Reported opinion is here:  http://opinions.aoc.arkansas.gov/weblink8/0/doc/273262/Electronic.asp x

/csb

You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards.


What the Hell is wrong with you?
 
2014-03-19 06:02:06 PM  
Homeowners Associations. The PTA for adults.

They can all chew a massive, infected member.
 
2014-03-19 06:02:20 PM  
I live in a non-HOA area that has been seeing a big influx of HOA-loving condo dwellers. These people are successfully pressuring the city council to enact laws that appear much like HOAs. There is recourse, though: grandfathering generally protects current and continuous land use. If a person uses a property in a certain way, he may continue using it that way. Example: I can park an RV on my driveway and most every newcomer cannot.

This is not without problems. Since RVs on driveways are now so rare, code enforcement will, from time to time, attempt to compel me to remove my RV. They like to pretend there is no such thing as grandfathering too.
 
2014-03-19 06:06:41 PM  

phenn: The PTA for adults.


What is it, exactly, for which you think the letters "P", "T" and "A" stand?
 
2014-03-19 06:09:09 PM  

peacheslatour: What the Hell is wrong with you?


Thanks.  I, too, was baffled by the comment.
 
2014-03-19 06:22:31 PM  

bmr68: It's some dlckhexd neighbor who loves enforcing HOA rules to the letter.


Larry Pike: So you two are interested in Oasis Plains.
Dean Winchester: Yes sir!
Larry Pike: Let me just say, we accept homeowners of any race, religion, color, or... sexual orientation. (Sam chuckles)
Dean Winchester: (quickly) We're brothers.
Sam Winchester: Our father is getting on in years, and we're just lookin' for a place for him.
Larry Pike: Great! Great, well, seniors are welcome too. Come on in.

thank you for adding "dick-hexed" to my vocabulary. :)
 
2014-03-19 06:26:05 PM  

phenn: Homeowners Associations. The PTA for adults.

They can all chew a massive, infected member.


goddammitsomuch...
 
2014-03-19 06:27:14 PM  
I have always wanted to see what would happen if someone went to court and was able to get the right to buy a house in an HOA with out joining the HOA.
I can't see how any could long stay running so long as people don't opt to join.

That said i have never heard of any one trying this sort of thing, i would imagine cause its alot cheaper just to find a house thats not in an HoA than to fight not to have to join one when you buy a house.
 
2014-03-19 06:42:06 PM  

grimlock1972: I have always wanted to see what would happen if someone went to court and was able to get the right to buy a house in an HOA with out joining the HOA.
I can't see how any could long stay running so long as people don't opt to join.

That said i have never heard of any one trying this sort of thing, i would imagine cause its alot cheaper just to find a house thats not in an HoA than to fight not to have to join one when you buy a house.


Usually, the HOA is part of the deed restrictions on real estate.  Deed restrictions are damn near impossible to remove.
 
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