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2014-03-19 02:52:22 PM  
This thread is worthless without pictures:
Miss Karp said she received a letter Thursday night from the association at Regent's Park in Naples demanding she take her down the pink ribbon from her wall.
"It's on the inside of my entry-way," she told the station.


Are we talking about a wall inside a house and visible through a window next to a door:
www.yourlondonplace.com

Or are we talking about a giant ribbon inside a screened-in porch:
images.familyhomeplans.com
 
2014-03-19 03:05:25 PM  
"I'm not offending anyone. My neighbors are all supportive of breast cancer. I don't know why they're not," she said.

Well maybe that's why they don't like your ribbon.
 
2014-03-19 03:19:07 PM  
static.comicvine.com

What an unauthorized Banner might look like.
 
2014-03-19 03:19:53 PM  

Theaetetus: This thread is worthless without pictures:
Miss Karp said she received a letter Thursday night from the association at Regent's Park in Naples demanding she take her down the pink ribbon from her wall.
"It's on the inside of my entry-way," she told the station.

Are we talking about a wall inside a house and visible through a window next to a door:
[www.yourlondonplace.com image 528x396]

Or are we talking about a giant ribbon inside a screened-in porch:
[images.familyhomeplans.com image 600x400]


I was wondering the same. There is a link to a newscast in the article that I clicked hoping to get a better idea, and though it does show a pic, it's blurry and too close to get any context. I'm guessing there's more to this, and I'm guessing that the woman is being intentionally coy.
 
2014-03-19 03:21:56 PM  
There other option may be that, though it's "inside of [her] entry-way", she may share an entry-way with other tenants. It is a condo building after all.
 
2014-03-19 03:28:47 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: There other option may be that, though it's "inside of [her] entry-way", she may share an entry-way with other tenants. It is a condo building after all.


Yeah, I'm with you and Theaetatus in my suspicions here.  Article smells of Consumerist-like levels of "not the full story."
 
2014-03-19 03:30:40 PM  
Bam.

Fast Forward to 0:53. Compare [shiatty] pic in story to this pic, from this listing.
 
2014-03-19 03:32:33 PM  
She should put up some awareness awareness ribbons in protest.
 
2014-03-19 03:54:28 PM  
one of the many reasons I won't move anywhere with a "home owner's association"
 
2014-03-19 04:04:05 PM  

ManateeGag: one of the many reasons I won't move anywhere with a "home owner's association"


No kidding. I once rented a house with an HOA. The owner almost got in a lot of trouble for having his roof shingles replaced with a "wrong color" shingle. Not sure how he got out of that one.
 
2014-03-19 04:30:00 PM  

Bob Falfa: ManateeGag: one of the many reasons I won't move anywhere with a "home owner's association"

No kidding. I once rented a house with an HOA. The owner almost got in a lot of trouble for having his roof shingles replaced with a "wrong color" shingle. Not sure how he got out of that one.


my yard looks like a bomb went off because the crap weather.  it hasn't been warm enough to do anything.  if we had an HOA, they'd find the shiat out of us.
 
2014-03-19 04:33:14 PM  
HOA and 'own home' don't belong together in the same sentence.
 
2014-03-19 04:33:26 PM  
If you don't like your HOA how about you, I dunno, SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS.

Then turn all the reasonable people against the busy-body power-freak.
 
2014-03-19 04:34:39 PM  
What the hell kind of crap reporting is this?
 
2014-03-19 04:35:16 PM  

Theaetetus: Are we talking about a wall inside a house and visible through a window next to a door:


I want to protest someone having a framed "For Your Eyes Only" poster inside their home!
 
2014-03-19 04:37:39 PM  
Oh shiat there's a breast cancer now?! I had no idea!!!! Thank God for all those ribbons now we all know and can start working on a cure.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-19 04:38:14 PM  
While I like free speech in general, the pink ribbon nonsense annoys me enough to stand back and let them censor it.
 
2014-03-19 04:39:20 PM  
Sucks you bought a house with an extra level of government/petty bureaucracy affecting it. You should probably sell the house and get one that doesn't have an HOA. Frankly, I would look for property not even under a city. The less levels of petty dictators above you the better. The only one you can't escape are the county, state, and of course, the convoluted and ever increasing mass of federal agencies. But not much you can do about them. HOA? You can totally escape them. Go for it.
 
2014-03-19 04:40:33 PM  

buntz: Theaetetus: Are we talking about a wall inside a house and visible through a window next to a door:

I want to protest someone having a framed "For Your Eyes Only" poster inside their home!


I'm protesting what I assume you would be doing should I ever peer inside your house.
 
2014-03-19 04:41:02 PM  
I apologize for sounding like a dick, but...she signed the Homeowners Association documents. She knew what that meant, and now she's crying foul. You cannot do this (unless of course you work for Fox News).

There is a very good reason my mother hasn't done a single thing to the outside of her house in the seven years she's owned it and an equally-good reason she pays some retired guy thirty bucks each time to mow the yard every two or three weeks.
 
2014-03-19 04:41:29 PM  
I have a good HOA for my house in Memphis.  They fertilize and mow and edge the yards, keep up the roads and sewers , and throw a couple parties with free booze.  Other than that I never hear from them, though they did keep the crazy purple lady across the street from painting her house a violent shade of purple, which I was also ok with.

/she has a purple car and purple lenses on her glasses
//purple flowers, purple clothes, purple door on her house
///purple slashies
 
2014-03-19 04:41:51 PM  
I'm willing to bet this entryway is a common entryway shared with at least one other condo/home owner. If that's the case then the HOA is in the right; it might be indoors but it's not in her home.

That said, HOAs can eabod. The neighborhood I live in now used to have an HOA but it went belly-up years before we moved in. If it was still present we would not have even considered the house.
 
2014-03-19 04:41:56 PM  
H.
O.
A.
THREAD...

/Yeeeeeesssss
 
2014-03-19 04:44:12 PM  
This being a Washington Times article, I'll just go ahead and assume that the situation isn't exactly how they're describing it.
 
2014-03-19 04:45:35 PM  
 It's some dlckhexd neighbor who loves enforcing HOA rules to the letter.
 
2014-03-19 04:46:18 PM  
My folks live in a retirement neighborhood with an HOA. You can't park a pick-up in the driveway. If you have one, you'd better have at least 1/2 the garage cleaned out  and park it there so folks driving by don't see it.
 
2014-03-19 04:47:15 PM  
There's not much point in putting an "awareness" ribbon somewhere inconspicuous, so by definition we can probably assume that it was actually placed in a highly noticeable position.

Then again, there's not much point to these ribbons in the first place.  It's not like anyone see it and says to themselves "Breast cancer?  What the heck are they talking about?  I better go look up this strange and mysterious disease."
 
2014-03-19 04:48:53 PM  
I'm not sure what I hate more. HOAs, or those damn pink ribbons and the scammy Komen corporation they stand for.
 
2014-03-19 04:49:37 PM  

jaylectricity: If you don't like your HOA how about you, I dunno, SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS.

Then turn all the reasonable people against the busy-body power-freak.


Except when the Hot New Trend is for the developer to maintain just enough financial interest in the development to dictate the HOA board
 
2014-03-19 04:50:22 PM  

ampoliros: I'm willing to bet this entryway is a common entryway shared with at least one other condo/home owner. If that's the case then the HOA is in the right; it might be indoors but it's not in her home.

That said, HOAs can eabod. The neighborhood I live in now used to have an HOA but it went belly-up years before we moved in. If it was still present we would not have even considered the house.



My sisters home has an HOA, but the president does nothing except make sure dues cover pool maintenance and common areas get mowed.
 
2014-03-19 04:51:10 PM  

Nick Nostril: H.
O.
A.
THREAD...

/Yeeeeeesssss


I know. I can't wait for the Thursday pizza thread
 
2014-03-19 04:51:21 PM  

CruJones: I have a good HOA for my house in Memphis.  They fertilize and mow and edge the yards, keep up the roads and sewers , and throw a couple parties with free booze.  Other than that I never hear from them, though they did keep the crazy purple lady across the street from painting her house a violent shade of purple, which I was also ok with.

/she has a purple car and purple lenses on her glasses
//purple flowers, purple clothes, purple door on her house
///purple slashies


I think I once worked with this woman- is her name Sharon by any chance?
 
2014-03-19 04:51:47 PM  

jaylectricity: If you don't like your HOA how about you, I dunno, SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS.

Then turn all the reasonable people against the busy-body power-freak.


Some of us have jobs. The busy bodies in charge of the HOAs I've encountered are mostly retired folks with nothing better to do. My friend's condo association was notorious for scheduling meetings during work hours with as little notice as they could get away with.
 
2014-03-19 04:52:01 PM  
Picture of said pink ribbon inside her door
i28.photobucket.com

HOA rule on displaying things

i28.photobucket.com

The clear answer here is to just never, never live in an HOA community (unless you like that kind of thing).
 
2014-03-19 04:52:25 PM  
OK, lawyers line up here on the right, and you HOA people, well you stand right here in the middle of this big field. Now don't move. I'm gonna show you what the Internet does to idiots like you.  And after that, well then those lawyers standing over there? Yes the'll get a shot or two at you.  What?  You say she signed the papers?  Well that's all good and legal then. I doubt if they'll even look twice at your corpses before they declare it a mystery as to how you came to be in this predicament.
Say goodbye to your management company when you find out how many pink ribbons there are in the world, and how many of them know exactly who YOU are.
 
2014-03-19 04:53:06 PM  
I saw a picture of where the ribbon is located.  She has a partial glass front door and the ribbon is affixed to the glass part of the door.  It is not a huge ribbon, maybe 3" x 3".
 
2014-03-19 04:53:24 PM  
My cousin lives in a house that's part of an HOA. It's like the associations chairmen/women gravitate to the post the same way a turd will drift to the side of the toilet bowl. It's a natural fit for those of a douchebagic disposition. I'm betting they also love Roberts rules.
 
2014-03-19 04:53:27 PM  

CruJones: I have a good HOA for my house in Memphis.  They fertilize and mow and edge the yards, keep up the roads and sewers , and throw a couple parties with free booze.  Other than that I never hear from them, though they did keep the crazy purple lady across the street from painting her house a violent shade of purple, which I was also ok with.

/she has a purple car and purple lenses on her glasses
//purple flowers, purple clothes, purple door on her house
///purple slashies


Not quite so bad as having a blue house with a blue window... And a blue corvette.  And everything is blue for you.
 
2014-03-19 04:54:13 PM  
Wow. You guys are getting all excited about a Washington Times article, as if what they write about actually happened. Amazing.
 
2014-03-19 04:55:43 PM  

peacheslatour: CruJones: I have a good HOA for my house in Memphis.  They fertilize and mow and edge the yards, keep up the roads and sewers , and throw a couple parties with free booze.  Other than that I never hear from them, though they did keep the crazy purple lady across the street from painting her house a violent shade of purple, which I was also ok with.

/she has a purple car and purple lenses on her glasses
//purple flowers, purple clothes, purple door on her house
///purple slashies

I think I once worked with this woman- is her name Sharon by any chance?


peacheslatour: CruJones: I have a good HOA for my house in Memphis.  They fertilize and mow and edge the yards, keep up the roads and sewers , and throw a couple parties with free booze.  Other than that I never hear from them, though they did keep the crazy purple lady across the street from painting her house a violent shade of purple, which I was also ok with.

/she has a purple car and purple lenses on her glasses
//purple flowers, purple clothes, purple door on her house
///purple slashies

I think I once worked with this woman- is her name Sharon by any chance?


I think it is Marie...

img1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-19 04:59:17 PM  

red5ish: Wow. You guys are getting all excited about a Washington Times article, as if what they write about actually happened. Amazing.


Those of us who have dealt with an HOA in one way or another know that this type of thing happens all the time. I don't care so much about this specific case.

Yes I know that some HOAs do what they're supposed to and maintain communal property, but it's only a matter of time before some douchy busybody ends up in charge.
 
2014-03-19 05:00:07 PM  

peacheslatour: CruJones: I have a good HOA for my house in Memphis.  They fertilize and mow and edge the yards, keep up the roads and sewers , and throw a couple parties with free booze.  Other than that I never hear from them, though they did keep the crazy purple lady across the street from painting her house a violent shade of purple, which I was also ok with.

/she has a purple car and purple lenses on her glasses
//purple flowers, purple clothes, purple door on her house
///purple slashies

I think I once worked with this woman- is her name Sharon by any chance?


I don't remember, I rent it out since I moved. She did always invite me to play penny ante poker with her friends. This is on Mud Island, if that helps.
 
2014-03-19 05:00:20 PM  
PINK! Can't she use some other color? It probably clashes with the paint scheme. I can see hating that.
 
2014-03-19 05:00:44 PM  

cc_rider: Picture of said pink ribbon inside her door
[i28.photobucket.com image 821x421]

HOA rule on displaying things

[i28.photobucket.com image 817x462]

The clear answer here is to just never, never live in an HOA community (unless you like that kind of thing).


There isn't much choice around here if you want a newer home. I have a rental in one and my home in another, it works for me.
 
2014-03-19 05:01:48 PM  
static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-03-19 05:03:44 PM  
CSB

   I was a trial lawyer in a past life.  Crazy lady had a pet bobcat, and her HOA had a "no wild animals" clause.  Crazy lady said bobcat was a "domestic" animal because it shiats in a box and eats cat food.
   HOA hired me to sue the lady.  We won at trial, but let me say that picking the jury was super-interesting, as the hatred for HOAs is palpable.
   Crazy lady put the jury verdict on appeal, and a friend of mine successfully handled it at the appellate level.  Reported opinion is here:  http://opinions.aoc.arkansas.gov/weblink8/0/doc/273262/Electronic.asp x

/csb
 
2014-03-19 05:03:58 PM  
at least if wasn't inside her own VG because that would be wrong on several levels.
 
2014-03-19 05:06:57 PM  

CruJones: peacheslatour: CruJones: I have a good HOA for my house in Memphis.  They fertilize and mow and edge the yards, keep up the roads and sewers , and throw a couple parties with free booze.  Other than that I never hear from them, though they did keep the crazy purple lady across the street from painting her house a violent shade of purple, which I was also ok with.

/she has a purple car and purple lenses on her glasses
//purple flowers, purple clothes, purple door on her house
///purple slashies

I think I once worked with this woman- is her name Sharon by any chance?

I don't remember, I rent it out since I moved. She did always invite me to play penny ante poker with her friends. This is on Mud Island, if that helps.


Nope, Seattle.  She actually lived in a purple house-boat on Lake Union.  Everything she had was farking purple.
 
2014-03-19 05:11:03 PM  

mama2tnt: I'm protesting what I assume you would be doing should I ever peer inside your house.


It's more of a statement against that particular movie...PU!
 
2014-03-19 05:13:28 PM  
I'm sure the HOA ran it by their legal department. The owner can slug it out in court over this,but the time, energy and funds spent is far over taking it down.

Reminds me of a military barracks I lived in. The Fire dept decided posters could not be taped to the wall, they had to be framed, because the poster might come loose and drop onto an open flame. Want to argue? There's plenty of K.P. to go around.

In both cases, the papers were signed before you went in.
 
2014-03-19 05:15:00 PM  
Well tbh I hate those stupid ribbons. All colors. They are all over the place. There's like 20 of them, and that's just for cancer.

I can't wait for the yellow cancer ribbon folks to duke it out with the yellow soldiers ribbon folks. I'm sure there's gonna be a lawsuit over that.

And as for HOAville, go on taking rights away from homeowners. Used to be SCOTUS ruled that you can't sell or trade or waive your rights away. But I guess since the KKK stopped that tactic it became legal.
 
2014-03-19 05:15:15 PM  

James10952001: red5ish: Wow. You guys are getting all excited about a Washington Times article, as if what they write about actually happened. Amazing.

Those of us who have dealt with an HOA in one way or another know that this type of thing happens all the time. I don't care so much about this specific case.

Yes I know that some HOAs do what they're supposed to and maintain communal property, but it's only a matter of time before some douchy busybody ends up in charge.


Yep... My wie used to work with one such person. he was in charge of his HOA and it literally made his day when he got to go home after work and fine someone.

One time, some people went out of town and asked some friends who lived in the same place to stop by and check on the condo. Those people left the porch light on,  which was a "violation" if left on during the day. This guy was super excited because he was going to get to fine the owners AND the people who left the light on, since they were residents, too. What an asshole.
 
2014-03-19 05:16:22 PM  
II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?
 
2014-03-19 05:16:41 PM  

SquiggsIN: I really should drive my truck more but, it gets crap for gas mileage.


Yep...mine gets driven only when the snow/mud is bad. Otherwise it sits outside because of the bad gas mileage. (But at least I can park it out there!)

Gunboat: because it shiats in a box and eats cat food.


This sounds like some toddlers I know....
 
2014-03-19 05:18:12 PM  

ManateeGag: Bob Falfa: ManateeGag: one of the many reasons I won't move anywhere with a "home owner's association"

No kidding. I once rented a house with an HOA. The owner almost got in a lot of trouble for having his roof shingles replaced with a "wrong color" shingle. Not sure how he got out of that one.

my yard looks like a bomb went off because the crap weather.  it hasn't been warm enough to do anything.  if we had an HOA, they'd find the shiat out of us.


Are you lost? Are you hiding from them because of your messy yard? I don't understand.
 
2014-03-19 05:18:22 PM  

Zeeba Neighba: SquiggsIN: I really should drive my truck more but, it gets crap for gas mileage.

Yep...mine gets driven only when the snow/mud is bad. Otherwise it sits outside because of the bad gas mileage. (But at least I can park it out there!)

Gunboat: because it shiats in a box and eats cat food.

This sounds like some toddlers I know....



That sounds like some FARKers I know....
 
2014-03-19 05:18:29 PM  
The hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy describes Home Owner Associations as:
"A bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes."
 
2014-03-19 05:20:13 PM  
HOA can be nice if they stay to just roads/command areas. It when get to many people living and voting in charge who want to get into saying what color your house can be and if you can build this or that or park a work car/truck in your yard that they get out of hand..

This is what has happen to every hoa in my area.  I am so glade I don't live in one.  If I ever do it be in one that the town has limit the HOA power.(if there are any like that).

I know a town near me is looking into the legal aspect of that.  The town is happy of the fact that they are very owner friendly with property.  They think that a person should be able to change and use their land as they see fit to enjoy it. I mean with in reason.  They don't want people turning their yards in to junkyards or making unsafe buildings.

They are atm last I knew looking into crafting rules and such for the HOA that state that the HOA power is limit to roads/command area and that the HOA can't say what a person dose with their house/land or what they park or put on it.
 
2014-03-19 05:21:12 PM  

r1niceboy: My cousin lives in a house that's part of an HOA. It's like the associations chairmen/women gravitate to the post the same way a turd will drift to the side of the toilet bowl. It's a natural fit for those of a douchebagic disposition. I'm betting they also love Roberts rules.


Once upon a life when I moved from managing rental properties to HOA/COAs the first thing I was given upon taking over my new office was a copy of Roberts. I thumbed through and thought it odd that such a thing would be useful... then I met my clients.

These people loooooooove rules. Love them. The more, the merrier.

/bailed just before the "bubble" broke
//Real Estate companies have a hard time paying salaries when houses stop moving
 
2014-03-19 05:22:31 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?


The property comes "burdened" with the covenants.  It's like an easement for gas or water.  The new owner must take the property with the covenants.  Owner's only recourse is not to buy.
 
2014-03-19 05:23:15 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?


When you buy the house you sign an agreement to be in the HOA and also agree to only sell to someone who will agree to be in the HOA.

Fun fact: This practice was invented to keep neighborhoods white.
 
2014-03-19 05:23:48 PM  

SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.


I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.
 
2014-03-19 05:26:33 PM  

James10952001: red5ish: Wow. You guys are getting all excited about a Washington Times article, as if what they write about actually happened. Amazing.

Those of us who have dealt with an HOA in one way or another know that this type of thing happens all the time. I don't care so much about this specific case.

Yes I know that some HOAs do what they're supposed to and maintain communal property, but it's only a matter of time before some douchy busybody ends up in charge.


Has someone made a summer movie about an overreaching HOA yet? There is plenty of material.
I'm not saying crazy HOA abuses don't occur; I just don't believe anything reported by the Washington Times without independent confirmation from an actual news source. Could this story be true? That really isn't the sort of question readers should be asking about a "news" story, unless they are reading the story while waiting in the checkout line at the supermarket. The Washington Times is a short step away from reporting Jennifer Aniston's abduction by aliens.
 
2014-03-19 05:27:18 PM  
So how can someone report seeing that banner inside someone's house and not be arrested as a Peeping Tom.  If they were invited in then maybe.  But this further shows that HOAs are worse for personal freedom than the Patriot act.
 
2014-03-19 05:27:54 PM  

SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.


My backyard backs to a golf course so I am getting a kick!

I wonder what you base this assumption on, we have a ton of birds and rabbits all around. If you did your poll via telephone you may get skewed results as many younger birds and rabbits don't have land lines any more, they are completely cell.
 
2014-03-19 05:30:01 PM  
I recall a Dave Berg comic from an old edition of Mad Magazine.


A crotchety old woman has called the police. A cop shows up at her house. She says something like, "The man next door is taking a shower without closing his blinds!" The cop looks at the house next door and says, "Lady, it's a quarter mile away. I can't see anything."


The old lady holds up a pair of binoculars and says: "You have to use THESE!"


/Or something like that.
 
2014-03-19 05:30:28 PM  

Theaetetus: This thread is worthless without pictures:
Miss Karp said she received a letter Thursday night from the association at Regent's Park in Naples demanding she take her down the pink ribbon from her wall.
"It's on the inside of my entry-way," she told the station.

Are we talking about a wall inside a house and visible through a window next to a door:
[www.yourlondonplace.com image 528x396]

Or are we talking about a giant ribbon inside a screened-in porch:
[images.familyhomeplans.com image 600x400]


Either way, who gives a Fark?

Actually the article suggests an appropriate solution; it says that she is "standing her ground".  Since this is Florida, if she's white she can just shoot the HOA and claim to have been "standing her ground".
 
2014-03-19 05:30:44 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.


At least here, those kind of issues can be reported to city code enforcement, and they'll take of it.
 
2014-03-19 05:31:04 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?


Yes the developer would refuse to sell, in addition once you purchase into a HOA and want to sell to someone else you are required to get them to sign the HOA before the deal can be closed.
 
2014-03-19 05:32:39 PM  

Prometheus_Unbound: Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.

At least here, those kind of issues can be reported to city code enforcement, and they'll take of it.


In our area city code enforcement has been slashed and the developments are required to have an HOA. It is just a shifting of the same duties from an incompetent and inefficient civil agency to an inefficient and incompetent private one.
 
2014-03-19 05:35:51 PM  

maram500: I apologize for sounding like a dick, but...she signed the Homeowners Association documents. She knew what that meant, and now she's crying foul. You cannot do this (unless of course you work for Fox News).



Do you think it was clear at the time of purchase that the HOA could regulate what she displays inside her home?  Or, maybe this is some busybody's new interpretation of a badly worded phrase buried in the middle of a very long document.
 
2014-03-19 05:36:06 PM  
Wow.
I must be lucky as our HOA pretty much leaves us alone until the dues come. And then it's just a reminder letter.
The meetings seem to be an excuse for the board and attendants to booze up too.
 
2014-03-19 05:37:22 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: What the hell kind of crap reporting is this?


mamaleche.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-19 05:37:51 PM  

jst3p: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?

When you buy the house you sign an agreement to be in the HOA and also agree to only sell to someone who will agree to be in the HOA.

Fun fact: This practice was invented to keep neighborhoods white.


Its more of a socio-economic thing.  You can be kinda brown but you need to wear a sweater vest and love Jesus.  You dont want hippies or trailer folk even if they're white.
 
2014-03-19 05:38:19 PM  

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?


I believe they are attached to the deed.  You "buy" the terms of the HOA agreement when you buy the property.
 
2014-03-19 05:38:47 PM  
Slight confusion... Is she hanging this in HER property or in a COMMON area? If it's in her property, great, but if it's in a COMMON area, not good. That's why there's a HOA (whether you like them or not) and why you should NEVER sign anything without reading it first.*

*Common Sense 101 (you don't need a law degree)
 
2014-03-19 05:39:55 PM  

flondrix: Do you think it was clear at the time of purchase that the HOA could regulate what she displays inside her home? Or, maybe this is some busybody's new interpretation of a badly worded phrase buried in the middle of a very long document.


See one of my earlier, upthread posts. As much as she wants it to be not true, a porch (even screened in) is not "inside a home".
 
2014-03-19 05:40:11 PM  

jumac: HOA can be nice if they stay to just roads/command areas. It when get to many people living and voting in charge who want to get into saying what color your house can be and if you can build this or that or park a work car/truck in your yard that they get out of hand..

This is what has happen to every hoa in my area.  I am so glade I don't live in one.  If I ever do it be in one that the town has limit the HOA power.(if there are any like that).

I know a town near me is looking into the legal aspect of that.  The town is happy of the fact that they are very owner friendly with property.  They think that a person should be able to change and use their land as they see fit to enjoy it. I mean with in reason.  They don't want people turning their yards in to junkyards or making unsafe buildings.

They are atm last I knew looking into crafting rules and such for the HOA that state that the HOA power is limit to roads/command area and that the HOA can't say what a person dose with their house/land or what they park or put on it.


Sick dude, just sick.
 
2014-03-19 05:42:05 PM  

IronOcelot: Wow.
I must be lucky as our HOA pretty much leaves us alone until the dues come. And then it's just a reminder letter.
The meetings seem to be an excuse for the board and attendants to booze up too.


There are cool HOAs.  Especially in younger communities.  I lived in a high rise and the HOA did a great job improving the common areas and threw a fun party with free food and booze once a month.
 
2014-03-19 05:44:58 PM  
Amendment XXVIII
Avowal to the Rights of Property of US Citizens

Henceforth, no restrictions upon an owner's home shall be enforceable if the restricting party is non-governmental organization. All signed documents of rules and restrictions required to purchase said property shall no longer be enforceable. Furthermore, any attempts by the government to remove property from a citizen for the greater good of the community, known as eminent domain, must be proven that the community has great need for the owner's land and would otherwise suffer hardship without it and not solely be for an increase in local government revenue.
 
2014-03-19 05:45:18 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.


Ahh, yes, I've seen that Nova.  Out in the driveway for decades, gets fired up in the beginning of summer with no mufflers at 8 in the morning.  Then, of course, they give up working on it a couple weeks later only to retry it again the following summer.  Then there is the rental house with about 3 families living it it.  Has 6 or 7 cars taking up all the spaces around their house and the neighbors.  Constant noise 24/7 and occupants who don't care about those around them and property value, those are fun to live next to.
 
2014-03-19 05:47:21 PM  
I love that my HOA keeps YOU lot out! You don't belong on my street!!!
 
2014-03-19 05:48:24 PM  

Gunboat: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: II'm curious: is there anything actually stopping someone from signing these "covenants" when they move into an HOA-controlled area?

Would the developer then just refuse to sell the property to them?

Bueller?

The property comes "burdened" with the covenants.  It's like an easement for gas or water.  The new owner must take the property with the covenants.  Owner's only recourse is not to buy.


This.

Future owners don't have to sign anything, it runs with the property. There is little any future owner can do, except try to end the CC&Rs. Most have expiration dates with automatic renewals.
 
2014-03-19 05:48:47 PM  
so there is no other place to put it???
 
2014-03-19 05:50:08 PM  

Gunboat: CSB

   I was a trial lawyer in a past life.  Crazy lady had a pet bobcat, and her HOA had a "no wild animals" clause.  Crazy lady said bobcat was a "domestic" animal because it shiats in a box and eats cat food.
   HOA hired me to sue the lady.  We won at trial, but let me say that picking the jury was super-interesting, as the hatred for HOAs is palpable.
   Crazy lady put the jury verdict on appeal, and a friend of mine successfully handled it at the appellate level.  Reported opinion is here:  http://opinions.aoc.arkansas.gov/weblink8/0/doc/273262/Electronic.asp x

/csb


You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards.
 
2014-03-19 05:51:37 PM  

This text is now purple: Gunboat: CSB

   I was a trial lawyer in a past life.  Crazy lady had a pet bobcat, and her HOA had a "no wild animals" clause.  Crazy lady said bobcat was a "domestic" animal because it shiats in a box and eats cat food.
   HOA hired me to sue the lady.  We won at trial, but let me say that picking the jury was super-interesting, as the hatred for HOAs is palpable.
   Crazy lady put the jury verdict on appeal, and a friend of mine successfully handled it at the appellate level.  Reported opinion is here:  http://opinions.aoc.arkansas.gov/weblink8/0/doc/273262/Electronic.asp x

/csb

You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards.


ryanesaki.com
 
2014-03-19 05:53:53 PM  
She should just say it is a religious observation.

It is a modern sanitary version of marking the doorposts her home with the blood of a slaughtered spring lamb, to tell God not to kill anybody in her house.

lets make this a religious freedom vs. HOA fight.
 
2014-03-19 05:55:29 PM  

This text is now purple: You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards


I don't understand this comment at all.  My child doesn't have cancer.  You and I have not met.  And what do you mean by "the problem"?  If "the problem" is that I was part of an effort to stop a crazy-ass lady from having a bobcat in a yard next door to small children, then yes, I'm part of "the problem."
 
2014-03-19 05:55:39 PM  

ongbok: ManateeGag: Bob Falfa: ManateeGag: one of the many reasons I won't move anywhere with a "home owner's association"

No kidding. I once rented a house with an HOA. The owner almost got in a lot of trouble for having his roof shingles replaced with a "wrong color" shingle. Not sure how he got out of that one.

my yard looks like a bomb went off because the crap weather.  it hasn't been warm enough to do anything.  if we had an HOA, they'd find the shiat out of us.

Are you lost? Are you hiding from them because of your messy yard? I don't understand.


I'm just a shiatty typist.
 
2014-03-19 05:55:46 PM  
I hate it when my HOA sends me mail that says "you MAY have weeds.. Please clean up your weeds"

What do you mean I "may" have weeds? Like, you didn't come to actually look, and this is a generic letter? If I have weeds, don't beat around the bush. Just say "you have weeds that need to be taken care of you son of a biatch"
 
2014-03-19 05:58:41 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-19 06:00:15 PM  

This text is now purple: Gunboat: CSB

   I was a trial lawyer in a past life.  Crazy lady had a pet bobcat, and her HOA had a "no wild animals" clause.  Crazy lady said bobcat was a "domestic" animal because it shiats in a box and eats cat food.
   HOA hired me to sue the lady.  We won at trial, but let me say that picking the jury was super-interesting, as the hatred for HOAs is palpable.
   Crazy lady put the jury verdict on appeal, and a friend of mine successfully handled it at the appellate level.  Reported opinion is here:  http://opinions.aoc.arkansas.gov/weblink8/0/doc/273262/Electronic.asp x

/csb

You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards.


What the Hell is wrong with you?
 
2014-03-19 06:02:06 PM  
Homeowners Associations. The PTA for adults.

They can all chew a massive, infected member.
 
2014-03-19 06:02:20 PM  
I live in a non-HOA area that has been seeing a big influx of HOA-loving condo dwellers. These people are successfully pressuring the city council to enact laws that appear much like HOAs. There is recourse, though: grandfathering generally protects current and continuous land use. If a person uses a property in a certain way, he may continue using it that way. Example: I can park an RV on my driveway and most every newcomer cannot.

This is not without problems. Since RVs on driveways are now so rare, code enforcement will, from time to time, attempt to compel me to remove my RV. They like to pretend there is no such thing as grandfathering too.
 
2014-03-19 06:06:41 PM  

phenn: The PTA for adults.


What is it, exactly, for which you think the letters "P", "T" and "A" stand?
 
2014-03-19 06:09:09 PM  

peacheslatour: What the Hell is wrong with you?


Thanks.  I, too, was baffled by the comment.
 
2014-03-19 06:22:31 PM  

bmr68: It's some dlckhexd neighbor who loves enforcing HOA rules to the letter.


Larry Pike: So you two are interested in Oasis Plains.
Dean Winchester: Yes sir!
Larry Pike: Let me just say, we accept homeowners of any race, religion, color, or... sexual orientation. (Sam chuckles)
Dean Winchester: (quickly) We're brothers.
Sam Winchester: Our father is getting on in years, and we're just lookin' for a place for him.
Larry Pike: Great! Great, well, seniors are welcome too. Come on in.

thank you for adding "dick-hexed" to my vocabulary. :)
 
2014-03-19 06:26:05 PM  

phenn: Homeowners Associations. The PTA for adults.

They can all chew a massive, infected member.


goddammitsomuch...
 
2014-03-19 06:27:14 PM  
I have always wanted to see what would happen if someone went to court and was able to get the right to buy a house in an HOA with out joining the HOA.
I can't see how any could long stay running so long as people don't opt to join.

That said i have never heard of any one trying this sort of thing, i would imagine cause its alot cheaper just to find a house thats not in an HoA than to fight not to have to join one when you buy a house.
 
2014-03-19 06:42:06 PM  

grimlock1972: I have always wanted to see what would happen if someone went to court and was able to get the right to buy a house in an HOA with out joining the HOA.
I can't see how any could long stay running so long as people don't opt to join.

That said i have never heard of any one trying this sort of thing, i would imagine cause its alot cheaper just to find a house thats not in an HoA than to fight not to have to join one when you buy a house.


Usually, the HOA is part of the deed restrictions on real estate.  Deed restrictions are damn near impossible to remove.
 
2014-03-19 06:43:58 PM  

CruJones: I have a good HOA for my house in Memphis.  They fertilize and mow and edge the yards, keep up the roads and sewers , and throw a couple parties with free booze.  Other than that I never hear from them, though they did keep the crazy purple lady across the street from painting her house a violent shade of purple, which I was also ok with.


If I could join an HOA that would maintain my lawn for me, I'd sign up.  I don't care what color my house has to be.
 
2014-03-19 06:46:34 PM  

SquiggsIN: If i found a HOA that could keep my neighbors' cats from shiatting in my yard I might find that useful.

I'm not overly anti-cat but, can any cat people explain to me why it's okay for cats to do that but dog owners can't let their dogs have the run of the neighborhood to find a toilet?


My cats are strictly indoor, but I think some people figure because they bury it, cat shiat just disappears.
Stupid, I know.
 
2014-03-19 06:54:40 PM  

NoahFenze: I hate it when my HOA sends me mail that says "you MAY have weeds.. Please clean up your weeds"



I'm not sure what's so confusing. You may have weeds if you want BUT they must be kept clean. Yours must have been dirty.

/looks like the ribbon is on the wall inside her front door so fark the HOA
 
2014-03-19 06:55:55 PM  

DigitalCoffee: /looks like the ribbon is on the wall inside her front door so fark the HOA


It's on her front porch. A screened in front porch, but a porch nonetheless.
 
2014-03-19 07:15:02 PM  
I wear an invisible ribbon to support apathy awareness.
 
2014-03-19 07:20:31 PM  

peacheslatour: CruJones: peacheslatour: CruJones: I have a good HOA for my house in Memphis.  They fertilize and mow and edge the yards, keep up the roads and sewers , and throw a couple parties with free booze.  Other than that I never hear from them, though they did keep the crazy purple lady across the street from painting her house a violent shade of purple, which I was also ok with.

/she has a purple car and purple lenses on her glasses
//purple flowers, purple clothes, purple door on her house
///purple slashies

I think I once worked with this woman- is her name Sharon by any chance?

I don't remember, I rent it out since I moved. She did always invite me to play penny ante poker with her friends. This is on Mud Island, if that helps.

Nope, Seattle.  She actually lived in a purple house-boat on Lake Union.  Everything she had was farking purple.


For whatever reason I hate the color purple. Still I'd rather live next to a quirky whackjob like that than some uptight twat in a perfectly manicured cookie cutter development.
 
2014-03-19 07:28:32 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.


That's the thing though, nobody wants to live next to that guy. The problem is that most HOAs go WAY beyond that, and once there is no junkyard in the neighborhood and they run out of low hanging fruit, it's on to the more petty "violations".

When I bought my house, the no HOA thing was a major requirement. I keep my place fairly presentable, I don't want to deal with the HOA bullshiat my friends are always biatching about.
 
2014-03-19 07:34:12 PM  

Gunboat: This text is now purple: You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards

I don't understand this comment at all.  My child doesn't have cancer.  You and I have not met.  And what do you mean by "the problem"?  If "the problem" is that I was part of an effort to stop a crazy-ass lady from having a bobcat in a yard next door to small children, then yes, I'm part of "the problem."


Is a bobcat any worse than a large dog? Statistically speaking, which animal harms more children?
 
2014-03-19 07:37:08 PM  

SquiggsIN: If i found a HOA that could keep my neighbors' cats from shiatting in my yard I might find that useful.

I'm not overly anti-cat but, can any cat people explain to me why it's okay for cats to do that but dog owners can't let their dogs have the run of the neighborhood to find a toilet?


Cats usually bury their shiat, can't say I've ever foun cat shiat in my yard.

I keep my own cats indoors though, primarily for their protection. Oddly en
 
2014-03-19 07:38:24 PM  

James10952001: Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.

That's the thing though, nobody wants to live next to that guy. The problem is that most HOAs go WAY beyond that, and once there is no junkyard in the neighborhood and they run out of low hanging fruit, it's on to the more petty "violations".

When I bought my house, the no HOA thing was a major requirement. I keep my place fairly presentable, I don't want to deal with the HOA bullshiat my friends are always biatching about.


You asked a question. I answered it.

I, like you, chose to buy a house in a non-HOA neighborhood for the same reasons you did. However, you and I have different priorities than other folks.
 
2014-03-19 07:39:15 PM  

James10952001: SquiggsIN: If i found a HOA that could keep my neighbors' cats from shiatting in my yard I might find that useful.

I'm not overly anti-cat but, can any cat people explain to me why it's okay for cats to do that but dog owners can't let their dogs have the run of the neighborhood to find a toilet?

Cats usually bury their shiat, can't say I've ever foun cat shiat in my yard.

I keep my own cats indoors though, primarily for their protection. Oddly en


I meant oddly enough my current gang of felines seem to have no real interest in going outside anyway so it's been easy. A cat I used to have was a regular Houdini and keeping him in proved so difficult I gave up. Eventually a coyote got him.
 
2014-03-19 07:41:58 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: James10952001: Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.

That's the thing though, nobody wants to live next to that guy. The problem is that most HOAs go WAY beyond that, and once there is no junkyard in the neighborhood and they run out of low hanging fruit, it's on to the more petty "violations".

When I bought my house, the no HOA thing was a major requirement. I keep my place fairly presentable, I don't want to deal with the HOA bullshiat my friends are always biatching about.

You asked a question. I answered it.

I, like you, chose to buy a house in a non-HOA neighborhood for the same reasons you did. However, you and I have different priorities than other folks.


I didn't ask the question, that was somebody else.

The biggest problem I see with HOAs is that they spread like cancer and it's getting harder all the time to simply choose a house without one.
 
2014-03-19 07:43:54 PM  

James10952001: Gecko Gingrich: SquiggsIN: Can any suburban home owners explain to me what is so attractive about living in an area where every yard looks like you're in the middle of a golf course?

I'd rather let it look slightly more natural... you know birds and rabbits and deer seem to prefer it that way.

I'd guess that for some people, not having a neighbor with an yard overrun with ragweed - except for the part covered up by the mid-restoration 1974 Nova up on blocks - is a plus.

That's the thing though, nobody wants to live next to that guy. The problem is that most HOAs go WAY beyond that, and once there is no junkyard in the neighborhood and they run out of low hanging fruit, it's on to the more petty "violations".

When I bought my house, the no HOA thing was a major requirement. I keep my place fairly presentable, I don't want to deal with the HOA bullshiat my friends are always biatching about.


I would not mind living next to that guy.  It's almost guaranteed he won't care about the condition of my yard.

/off my lawn already
 
2014-03-19 07:44:32 PM  
True. I apologize.

A question was asked. I answered it.

I, like you, chose...
 
2014-03-19 07:49:06 PM  
Two of my neighbors' places:
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img.photobucket.com

No HOAs in my neighborhood. I'm actually glad, in spite of the weirdness.
 
2014-03-19 07:50:34 PM  

SavageWombat: CruJones:

If I could join an HOA that would maintain my lawn for me, I'd sign up.  I don't care what color my house has to be.


right there with ya bro....however, taking that free lawn-care (well not so much free on several levels) means you also have to accept all the other little stupid bossy pricks who also live there. And they turned into the Stasi because they want things to be the way they define.  Too bad theres a prick out there right know that's got a problem with the pink ribbon. If I were the board, I'd do a fast 180 on this and even daylight the original complainer, just to get out of the way of the avalanche that's about to hit.
 
2014-03-19 07:53:20 PM  
POPCORN! Getcha POPCORN!
 
2014-03-19 07:55:08 PM  

James10952001: Gunboat: This text is now purple: You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards

I don't understand this comment at all.  My child doesn't have cancer.  You and I have not met.  And what do you mean by "the problem"?  If "the problem" is that I was part of an effort to stop a crazy-ass lady from having a bobcat in a yard next door to small children, then yes, I'm part of "the problem."

Is a bobcat any worse than a large dog? Statistically speaking, which animal harms more children?


A valid question, considering how equal the sample population sizes are.
 
2014-03-19 08:01:53 PM  
When I retire, I'm going to run the shiat out of an HOA with an iron fist. My neighbors will cower before me. Trolling IRL is way better than doing it on the internet.
 
2014-03-19 08:03:21 PM  

jaylectricity: If you don't like your HOA how about you, I dunno, SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS.

Then turn all the reasonable people against the busy-body power-freak.


CSB: Friends of mine live in an HOA and got annoyed at some of the policies and began showing up to meetings. My friends are in their 30s with full time jobs and kids.

The HOA moved their meetings to 8:30 am Mondays and conveniently lacked quorum during holidays or when school was out.
 
2014-03-19 08:08:33 PM  

grimlock1972: I have always wanted to see what would happen if someone went to court and was able to get the right to buy a house in an HOA with out joining the HOA.
I can't see how any could long stay running so long as people don't opt to join.

That said i have never heard of any one trying this sort of thing, i would imagine cause its alot cheaper just to find a house thats not in an HoA than to fight not to have to join one when you buy a house.


And anyone who is trying to buy a home in an HOA while also trying to not be part of the HOA is probably going to be....unpleasant in front of a jury.
 
2014-03-19 08:16:53 PM  

Treetop1000: SavageWombat: CruJones:

If I could join an HOA that would maintain my lawn for me, I'd sign up.  I don't care what color my house has to be.

right there with ya bro....however, taking that free lawn-care (well not so much free on several levels) means you also have to accept all the other little stupid bossy pricks who also live there. And they turned into the Stasi because they want things to be the way they define.  Too bad theres a prick out there right know that's got a problem with the pink ribbon. If I were the board, I'd do a fast 180 on this and even daylight the original complainer, just to get out of the way of the avalanche that's about to hit.


If you want someone to maintain your lawn, you can hire a landscaper without having to live in a mini totalitarian regime. You'd have to pay for it one way or another anyway, nothing is free.
 
2014-03-19 08:20:47 PM  

hotter than the ads: James10952001: Gunboat: This text is now purple: You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards

I don't understand this comment at all.  My child doesn't have cancer.  You and I have not met.  And what do you mean by "the problem"?  If "the problem" is that I was part of an effort to stop a crazy-ass lady from having a bobcat in a yard next door to small children, then yes, I'm part of "the problem."

Is a bobcat any worse than a large dog? Statistically speaking, which animal harms more children?

A valid question, considering how equal the sample population sizes are.


Well does population size matter? If a neighborhood has one pet bobcat and 50 pet large dogs, do you go after the bobcat or the dogs? What poses a greater risk overall? Is a bobcat inherently dangerous? How about a pitbull? It's not as cut and dry as it may appear.

Around here it's not unheard of to see actual wild bobcats and mountain lions and such roaming the suburbs from time to time and those aren't tame pets. *shrug*
 
2014-03-19 08:24:12 PM  

BSABSVR: jaylectricity: If you don't like your HOA how about you, I dunno, SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS.

Then turn all the reasonable people against the busy-body power-freak.

CSB: Friends of mine live in an HOA and got annoyed at some of the policies and began showing up to meetings. My friends are in their 30s with full time jobs and kids.

The HOA moved their meetings to 8:30 am Mondays and conveniently lacked quorum during holidays or when school was out.


It's worth taking some time off work to deal with bullshiat like that. It's not always practical though. Friend of mine was in a very similar situation. The retired folks and stay at home moms could attend the meetings at inconvenient times. It's legal discrimination.
 
2014-03-19 08:30:04 PM  

DigitalCoffee: NoahFenze: I hate it when my HOA sends me mail that says "you MAY have weeds.. Please clean up your weeds"


I'm not sure what's so confusing. You may have weeds if you want BUT they must be kept clean. Yours must have been dirty.

/looks like the ribbon is on the wall inside her front door so fark the HOA


Not sure if serious. If my weeds were kept clean I wouldn't get a letter.. It reads like "you might have weeds, you might not.. So here's a letter". I get sending a letter if something looks nasty.. It's just a minor complaint.. I get they're trying to sound nice in the letter.. But I'd prefer just a letter saying.. "You have weeds, take care if that shiat"..

Because with the "may" being there.. I then wonder if everyone else gets the letter.. I wonder which length is acceptable... Are other people getting this letter?
 
2014-03-19 08:31:22 PM  

NoahFenze: DigitalCoffee: NoahFenze: I hate it when my HOA sends me mail that says "you MAY have weeds.. Please clean up your weeds"


I'm not sure what's so confusing. You may have weeds if you want BUT they must be kept clean. Yours must have been dirty.

/looks like the ribbon is on the wall inside her front door so fark the HOA

Not sure if serious. If my weeds were kept clean I wouldn't get a letter.. It reads like "you might have weeds, you might not.. So here's a letter". I get sending a letter if something looks nasty.. It's just a minor complaint.. I get they're trying to sound nice in the letter.. But I'd prefer just a letter saying.. "You have weeds, take care if that shiat"..

Because with the "may" being there.. I then wonder if everyone else gets the letter.. I wonder which length is acceptable... Are other people getting this letter?


Those aren't weeds, that's my dandilion and thistle garden!
 
2014-03-19 08:32:16 PM  

DigitalCoffee: NoahFenze: I hate it when my HOA sends me mail that says "you MAY have weeds.. Please clean up your weeds"


I'm not sure what's so confusing. You may have weeds if you want BUT they must be kept clean. Yours must have been dirty.

/looks like the ribbon is on the wall inside her front door so fark the HOA


Addition: it's been a while since I've read the letter.. But I remember most of us always joking about the "may" have weeds.. Maybe I need to read it again to see if it's saying that I'm allowed to have weeds, just not shiatty weeds.
 
2014-03-19 08:41:12 PM  

cynicalminion: phenn: Homeowners Associations. The PTA for adults.

They can all chew a massive, infected member.

goddammitsomuch...


You deserve a pony and a case of bourbon for that.
 
2014-03-19 08:44:53 PM  
Do you really WANT to win a battle against your HOA?
 
2014-03-19 08:50:23 PM  

BSABSVR: grimlock1972: I have always wanted to see what would happen if someone went to court and was able to get the right to buy a house in an HOA with out joining the HOA.
I can't see how any could long stay running so long as people don't opt to join.

That said i have never heard of any one trying this sort of thing, i would imagine cause its alot cheaper just to find a house thats not in an HoA than to fight not to have to join one when you buy a house.

And anyone who is trying to buy a home in an HOA while also trying to not be part of the HOA is probably going to be....unpleasant in front of a jury.


I agree with you on that count.
 
2014-03-19 09:09:16 PM  
If you buy real estate governed by a HOA, you are a damn fool, and deserve every bad thing that happens to you as a result.
 
2014-03-19 09:11:19 PM  
One of my friends just died of cancer yesterday.  I am in no mood for your shiat, Earth.

HOAs can go fark themselves.
 
2014-03-19 09:24:03 PM  

James10952001:

Is a bobcat any worse than a large dog?

Lets find out...

imgs.xkcd.com


ElPollotonto: Do you really WANT to win a battle against your HOA?


Either outcome is bad. If you lose then you have to pay the HOA plus lawyer fees and they'll have you on their shiat list as a troublemaker. If you win, well... where does that money come from? That's right, you and your neighbors. Now the association fees go up to pay your settlement. Part of that will come out of your own pocket and the rest will come from some very pissed off neighbors that don't like their rates going up.

/the only winning move is not to play
 
2014-03-19 09:45:04 PM  
I live in the DC metro area. "non HOA neighborhoods" are not a thing.
 
2014-03-19 10:04:36 PM  
I'd consider that a symbol, personally, and the regs don't say anything about affixing a symbol to the property.
 
2014-03-20 12:10:41 AM  
From a Breast Cancer survivor AND HOA VP - screw that shiat!  Most HOA stuff is the 3 Ps - people, pets and parking in our little association.  Some people have too much time on their hands and should use it volunteering instead of snooping.

Inside her place?  Really - not cool at all
 
2014-03-20 12:38:08 AM  

umad: When I retire, I'm going to run the shiat out of an HOA with an iron fist. My neighbors will cower before me. Trolling IRL is way better than doing it on the internet.


We get asshats wanting on the board, and sometimes they get there.  They are usually laughed at and otherwise ignored.  If they propose something (like putting in a walkway from their front door to their parking spot), we laugh even harder.
 
2014-03-20 12:44:01 AM  

James10952001: hotter than the ads: James10952001: Gunboat: This text is now purple: You're part of the problem. Hopefully you had a chance to visit your kid in the terminal cancer ward afterwards

I don't understand this comment at all.  My child doesn't have cancer.  You and I have not met.  And what do you mean by "the problem"?  If "the problem" is that I was part of an effort to stop a crazy-ass lady from having a bobcat in a yard next door to small children, then yes, I'm part of "the problem."

Is a bobcat any worse than a large dog? Statistically speaking, which animal harms more children?

A valid question, considering how equal the sample population sizes are.

Well does population size matter? If a neighborhood has one pet bobcat and 50 pet large dogs, do you go after the bobcat or the dogs? What poses a greater risk overall? Is a bobcat inherently dangerous? How about a pitbull? It's not as cut and dry as it may appear.

Around here it's not unheard of to see actual wild bobcats and mountain lions and such roaming the suburbs from time to time and those aren't tame pets. *shrug*


I walked my dogs before our last meeting - and happened to have the bag with me.  An owner suggested we ban dog-owners b/c their pets leave shiat all over.  I put the bag on the table and asked if this was where we should leave it.

Yes, fresh blood on the board wakes everyone up
 
2014-03-20 12:56:11 AM  
And THAT, everyone, is why HOA's suck and should be avoided at all costs.

<3 antennas
 
2014-03-20 12:57:39 AM  

ban_sidhe: Two of my neighbors' places:
[img.photobucket.com image 420x264]

[img.photobucket.com image 649x520]

No HOAs in my neighborhood. I'm actually glad, in spite of the weirdness.


Your second neighbor must be a blast at block parties and political rallies!
//trade you for the asshat that cuts across my property with his damn truck
//seriously, rather have an oddball than a jerk
 
2014-03-20 08:53:45 AM  

jaylectricity: If you don't like your HOA how about you, I dunno, SHOW UP TO THE MEETINGS.

Then turn all the reasonable people against the busy-body power-freak.


Begone, and take your rationality, preference for democracy, and adherence to contract law with you.
 
2014-03-20 08:57:31 AM  

cc_rider: Picture of said pink ribbon inside her door
[i28.photobucket.com image 821x421]

HOA rule on displaying things

[i28.photobucket.com image 817x462]

The clear answer here is to just never, never live in an HOA community (unless you like that kind of thing).


Or find one with less restrictive covenants.  That "in" is what's killing ribbon-lady here...I've done real-estate law for 15 years in Mass, and I've never seen HOA regs that banned "signs" INSIDE the home.

Granny's "Bless This Home" knitting sampler?  Gone.

Ribbon-lady should sue her purchasing attorney for malpractice...assuming she bothered to hire one.

If she didn't...well, sucks to be her.
 
2014-03-20 09:04:58 AM  

Dawnrazor: grimlock1972: I have always wanted to see what would happen if someone went to court and was able to get the right to buy a house in an HOA with out joining the HOA.
I can't see how any could long stay running so long as people don't opt to join.

That said i have never heard of any one trying this sort of thing, i would imagine cause its alot cheaper just to find a house thats not in an HoA than to fight not to have to join one when you buy a house.

Usually, the HOA is part of the deed restrictions on real estate.  Deed restrictions are damn near impossible to remove.


Typically, you just need a majority of the affected deed holders to agree, and then go to Land Court (your state may vary).  Legally speaking, it's not impossible, or even really very difficult, to dissolve an HOA.  (ymmv)

But since nobody held a gun to the people who bought in...presumably the good outweighs the bad for them, so good luck getting a majority of them to agree.
 
2014-03-20 09:08:00 AM  

Bob Falfa: ManateeGag: one of the many reasons I won't move anywhere with a "home owner's association"

No kidding. I once rented a house with an HOA. The owner almost got in a lot of trouble for having his roof shingles replaced with a "wrong color" shingle. Not sure how he got out of that one.


I got one better: Worked a legal case where an HOA required shingles be replaced with exactly the same shingle - color, manufacturer, and style. Unfortunately, the manufacturer ceased production of that style several years prior. More unfortunately, since this issue was peripheral to the actual case I was working, I'm also not sure how the homeowner resolved this. SO glad I built my own house on 9 acres free of encumbrances other than the tax bill.
 
2014-03-20 09:19:29 AM  

PunGent: cc_rider: Picture of said pink ribbon inside her door
[i28.photobucket.com image 821x421]

HOA rule on displaying things

[i28.photobucket.com image 817x462]

The clear answer here is to just never, never live in an HOA community (unless you like that kind of thing).

Or find one with less restrictive covenants.  That "in" is what's killing ribbon-lady here...I've done real-estate law for 15 years in Mass, and I've never seen HOA regs that banned "signs" INSIDE the home.

Granny's "Bless This Home" knitting sampler?  Gone.

Ribbon-lady should sue her purchasing attorney for malpractice...assuming she bothered to hire one.

If she didn't...well, sucks to be her.


As I've pointed out numerous times in this thread (but have continuously been ignored) the ribbon sign was not "in" her house. It was "on" her front porch.
 
2014-03-20 09:22:02 AM  

flondrix: maram500: I apologize for sounding like a dick, but...she signed the Homeowners Association documents. She knew what that meant, and now she's crying foul. You cannot do this (unless of course you work for Fox News).


Do you think it was clear at the time of purchase that the HOA could regulate what she displays inside her home?  Or, maybe this is some busybody's new interpretation of a badly worded phrase buried in the middle of a very long document.


From my experience with HOAs in the legal world, I vote with flondrix. Those busybodies can find shiat that a lawyer would have to look twice to see.
 
2014-03-20 09:24:37 AM  

Lord Thorn: flondrix: maram500: I apologize for sounding like a dick, but...she signed the Homeowners Association documents. She knew what that meant, and now she's crying foul. You cannot do this (unless of course you work for Fox News).


Do you think it was clear at the time of purchase that the HOA could regulate what she displays inside her home?  Or, maybe this is some busybody's new interpretation of a badly worded phrase buried in the middle of a very long document.

From my experience with HOAs in the legal world, I vote with flondrix. Those busybodies can find shiat that a lawyer would have to look twice to see.


Again. Not in her house. On her front porch.
 
2014-03-20 10:49:55 AM  

maram500: There is a very good reason my mother hasn't done a single thing to the outside of her house in the seven years she's owned it and an equally-good reason she pays some retired guy thirty bucks each time to mow the yard every two or three weeks.


And here is the problem with HOAs. Note the text I bolded... it's not hers if she can't do what she wants with it.
 
2014-03-20 10:57:19 AM  
I don't care what anybody says, I'm just glad someone is finally taking a stand against breast cancer awareness.
 
2014-03-20 11:09:53 AM  

rewind2846: maram500: There is a very good reason my mother hasn't done a single thing to the outside of her house in the seven years she's owned it and an equally-good reason she pays some retired guy thirty bucks each time to mow the yard every two or three weeks.

And here is the problem with HOAs. Note the text I bolded... it's not hers if she can't do what she wants with it.


By that logic, nobody owns any houses in the 99% of the U.S. that's in towns, counties, or cities.  HOA is just another layer of regs.

We JUST had a thread about the crappy Kelo decision, after all.  And even that ignores all the local and state regulations almost every home is subject to.

And it ignores the fact that you can't do what you like with a home where the bank holds the mortgage anyway...which is, again, most of the U.S. housing stock.
 
2014-03-20 11:35:02 AM  

PunGent: By that logic, nobody owns any houses in the 99% of the U.S. that's in towns, counties, or cities. HOA is just another layer of regs.


Note that the conversation here is not about health and safety, like letting garbage pile up in your yard so high that it harbors rodents, but about how you choose to paint your house or what you choose to hang on it (or in this case in it), none of which physically affects your neighbors.
That is the logic. When you live in a society there must be some concessions made so that you don't harm others in that society. Health departments in states, counties and cities have this mandate. HOAs have nothing to do with this idea, and are just nosy asses who seek to control others just because.
 
2014-03-20 12:01:49 PM  
A screened in porch isn't technically inside the house. HOA are being picky dickbags but they are right.
 
2014-03-20 12:17:08 PM  

Digitalstrange: A screened in porch isn't technically inside the house. HOA are being picky dickbags but they are right.


Agreed.

What about her neighbor who chooses to display a confederate flag? How about a nazi flag?

No sympathy for this lady.
 
2014-03-20 12:18:41 PM  

rewind2846: Health departments in states, counties and cities have this mandate. HOAs have nothing to do with this idea, and are just nosy asses who seek to control others just because.


False.

HOAs seek to control the people who willingly agreed to the covenants of the HOA when they chose to move there.

Those rules were fine when they only applied to other people.
 
2014-03-20 01:04:20 PM  

rewind2846: PunGent: By that logic, nobody owns any houses in the 99% of the U.S. that's in towns, counties, or cities. HOA is just another layer of regs.

Note that the conversation here is not about health and safety


Your state and local taxes can double, or even triple, just "because"...simple governmental greed and mismanagement will do just fine.  No "health or safety" reasons required at all.

Unless you don't think taxes impact the ability to do what one wants with one's property...

Just ask Ms. Kelo...I believe the Supreme Court told her EXACTLY what she could do with "her" house...nothing.

There are also things like historic preservation areas, which, quite legally, mimic the most stringent HOA exterior appearance requirements, but are strictly government functions, not private ones.

Whether you quit your knee-jerking against HOAs is entirely up to you.  Sure, there are bad ones...those make the news.  There's plenty of good ones.  And at the end of the day, you're basically railing against legal, voluntary organizations of people using their 6th Amendment rights.

Have fun storming the castle :)
 
2014-03-20 01:25:27 PM  
The HOA president could not be contacted for comments, preferring to stay inside his unit.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-20 01:51:07 PM  

rewind2846: PunGent: By that logic, nobody owns any houses in the 99% of the U.S. that's in towns, counties, or cities. HOA is just another layer of regs.

Note that the conversation here is not about health and safety, like letting garbage pile up in your yard so high that it harbors rodents, but about how you choose to paint your house or what you choose to hang on it (or in this case in it), none of which physically affects your neighbors.
That is the logic. When you live in a society there must be some concessions made so that you don't harm others in that society. Health departments in states, counties and cities have this mandate. HOAs have nothing to do with this idea, and are just nosy asses who seek to control others just because.


They seek control of others so that people who cannot afford to own a large manicured estate can feel like they live in a large manicured estate by dictating that the neighbors all match.
 
2014-03-20 03:47:49 PM  

James10952001: rewind2846: PunGent: By that logic, nobody owns any houses in the 99% of the U.S. that's in towns, counties, or cities. HOA is just another layer of regs.

Note that the conversation here is not about health and safety, like letting garbage pile up in your yard so high that it harbors rodents, but about how you choose to paint your house or what you choose to hang on it (or in this case in it), none of which physically affects your neighbors.
That is the logic. When you live in a society there must be some concessions made so that you don't harm others in that society. Health departments in states, counties and cities have this mandate. HOAs have nothing to do with this idea, and are just nosy asses who seek to control others just because.

They seek control of others so that people who cannot afford to own a large manicured estate can feel like they live in a large manicured estate by dictating that the neighbors all match.


I can't speak for anyone else, but I live in my HOA because I love waking up at 5 AM on an icy, snowy morning...and hearing someone ELSE shovel me out while I roll over and go back to sleep.  Plus, no lawn mowing...the service takes care of it.  And...get this... I like my neighbors.  And I must be doing something right, because they keep re-electing me to the board...ten years running, now.

It's probably my reign of terror :)
 
2014-03-20 05:43:28 PM  

SquiggsIN: wambu: The HOA president could not be contacted for comments, preferring to stay inside his unit.

[i.imgur.com image 320x240]

I wonder how many times the glass in that window has been replaced.


Not enough. 8)
 
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