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2014-03-19 04:06:02 PM
Does the attention-whore, or the precious-snowflake meme apply to GLBT?

Between the yearbook and the St.Patrick's parades I'm going to have to lean toward YES.
 
2014-03-19 04:07:24 PM

letrole: The idea of homosexuality being a legitimate expression of human sexuality is not accepted by society. The acceptance of homosexuality is a change that has not yet occurred. Again, the default condition is a rejection of homosexuality
Don't mistake circle-jerkery on a web forum for societal norms. Homosexuality is not accepted. You see, that's why there's all this talk of bigotry and intolerance and hurt feelings. Homosexuality is not accepted.
Sorry to completely overstate the point, but it's a little tiresome to hear all this agitprop about homosexuality having universal approval when it's simply not true.


Or you could, I don't know, read a national poll every now and then that shows acceptance of homosexuality (and gay marriage) is now the majority opinion

content.gallup.com

graphics8.nytimes.com

So those who oppose homosexuality (and gay marriage) are now in the minority.
 
2014-03-19 04:07:39 PM
In case anyone feels like leaving them a mature, thoughtful note, here's the school's contact us form.
 
2014-03-19 04:07:58 PM

hej: I don't know why this is so hard to understand.  If you want to be gay, don't live in Arkansas.


Land of the free, home of the brave.

/but go be free & gay somewhere else
 
2014-03-19 04:08:13 PM
Double secreted down?
barfblog.com
 
2014-03-19 04:12:37 PM

ReverendJynxed: Tell you what, when they let me amend my yearbook to read "Pussy Hound" then you can have your NAMBLA endorsement.


There's a pesky "truth in yearbooks" clause, so we're going to need yours amended to "Hairiest Palms"...
 
2014-03-19 04:14:10 PM

OnlyM3: Are they also including "I farked the prom queen stories"? No? probably because who you fark has not a g.d. thing to do w/ school.


And yet there in the year book, is a picture of the prom queen dancing with her boyfriend, shoving their heterosexuality down everyone's throats.
 
2014-03-19 04:15:27 PM

cptjeff: hardinparamedic: umad: You're retarded.

And you're uneducated.

To be fair, Bong Hits v. Jesus effectively overturned Tinker, even though they didn't explicitly say so.


True, but even the Bong Hits V. Jesus ruling said that if the shirt advocates violent or illegal activity, the school is under no obligation on the First Amendment to allow it.
 
2014-03-19 04:15:59 PM
img.fark.net

I'll take the case!
 
2014-03-19 04:17:39 PM
 
2014-03-19 04:17:55 PM

OnlyM3: Are they also including "I farked the prom queen stories"? No? probably because who you fark has not a g.d. thing to do w/ school.


Dude, it's been done already, and better, upthread.

We know what you are, no need to keep repeating yourself.
 
2014-03-19 04:19:06 PM

letrole: The idea of homosexuality being a legitimate expression of human sexuality is not accepted by society. The acceptance of homosexuality is a change that has not yet occurred. Again, the default condition is a rejection of homosexuality
Don't mistake circle-jerkery on a web forum for societal norms. Homosexuality is not accepted. You see, that's why there's all this talk of bigotry and intolerance and hurt feelings. Homosexuality is not accepted.
Sorry to completely overstate the point, but it's a little tiresome to hear all this agitprop about homosexuality having universal approval when it's simply not true.


I miss the "learned behaviour" and "groping and pulling" language you used to troll this topic with.
 
2014-03-19 04:21:09 PM

snarfyboy: Fark_Guy_Rob: One look at the kid, and I feel like he might be gay.  That's a suspicion, or a guess.  He just looks like he might be to me.  That's fine.  But he wants to tell his story of discovering his gayness.  And that doesn't have any place in the yearbook any more than the time I learned I didn't like anal sex, or the weird kid who is into furry porn and culture went to his first party dressed in a $600 fox costume.

If someone saying "I'm gay" makes you involuntarily think about all sort of sexual acts, then maybe you're the one with a bit a sexual obsession.


I'm sure that's meant to be a dig, but whatever.  I'm a big fan of sex.  I think it's great.  I think porn is great.  I think straights, lesbians, gays and everything in between are totally great.

But I don't think it should be in a yearbook targeted at 13-18 year-olds.  At least where I grew up, yearbooks weren't just for seniors, they were for everyone.  Although, I guess by the end of the year, the freshman would all be 14 or older.  I think a lot of them would be 15.  Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.  I totally support gay marriage.  I totally support gays.

But I don't support sharing your coming out story in a yearbook.  Put it on your blog, talk about it to your friends, whatever.

I can even acknowledge the difference between a preference and an orientation, to an extent.  And I get that high school kids are sexual people, and not children, and that things like LBGT clubs and organizations exist in a lot of schools....but I really don't see it as appropriate for schools.  I would be equally against 'straight clubs', but whatever.  I'm probably just old and close-minded.

// Unless it is a private school.  Then you do whatever you want.
 
2014-03-19 04:22:36 PM
scottydoesntknow:

So those who oppose homosexuality (and gay marriage) are now in the minority.

Just FYI, this is FARK, and you're talking to a lot of libertarians.  Being in a "majority" or "minority" means bugger all to us.
 
2014-03-19 04:28:21 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.


Why does "family appropriate" always mean religiously/socially conservative, as though gay people don't also belong to families? Do you see some kind of difference between a gay kid mentioning their boyfriend/girlfriend and a straight kid doing the same? In either case, orientation is implicitly stated.

It shouldn't be a big deal for people without religious or sexual hangups, and even then, they can suck on the First Amendment.
 
2014-03-19 04:31:21 PM
Has the purpose of yearbooks changed since I was a kid?  I got my picture and name in my yearbook.  You wanted to write something, you signed your friend's yearbooks and conveyed some shared experience.
 
2014-03-19 04:35:11 PM

hardinparamedic: umad: ctrl-f "NRA": 0 results
ctrl-f "shirt": 0 results
ctrl-f "violent belief": 0 results
ctrl-f "threat": 0 results

I stand by my assertion.

Your assertion that, what? Reading comprehension was not something you learned as a child? That the law is a little more complex than your impassioned beliefs would have you think?

The First Amendment allows schools to limit apparel which advocate violent, illegal, or threatening material, acts, or beliefs, in the interest of school safety and preventing disruption of the learning environment.


Whoopty farking doo. A t-shirt with "NRA" written on it still isn't advocating violent, illegal, or threatening material, acts, or beliefs any more than a t-shirt with "ACLU" written on it is advocating hate speech.
 
2014-03-19 04:36:38 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.

Why does "family appropriate" always mean religiously/socially conservative, as though gay people don't also belong to families? Do you see some kind of difference between a gay kid mentioning their boyfriend/girlfriend and a straight kid doing the same? In either case, orientation is implicitly stated.

It shouldn't be a big deal for people without religious or sexual hangups, and even then, they can suck on the First Amendment.


What makes stories like this kid's inspiring, and why these stories  should be in yearbooks, is precisely because being gay - and not being ashamed of simply being oneself despite being gay - is so difficult for a kid to come to terms with. So many kids are driven into denial, unhappiness or even suicide because of people claiming that their basic nature is some kind of abomination or evil. If the fundie farkwits would stop demonizing gay people, there wouldn't be as much adversity to overcome in the first place. I hate to think what the fundies are doing to their own children who happen to be gay. Those are probably the most likely to go the suicide route. Hardly "family friendly," is it?

Yeah, and I'm also sick of the word "family" being used as a fig leaf for uninformed bullying and assholery. All people have families, including (*gasp*) gay people!! I'd be a lot more concerned if my son were like Ralph Reed et al. than if he were gay.
 
2014-03-19 04:37:44 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: But I don't support sharing your coming out story in a yearbook.


Do you support pictures of people with their boyfriends/girlfriends?  Do you support yearbook contests that include things like "Cutest Couple"?  Homecoming Queen & King?  All of these asserts the student's sexuality.

Saying that being gay is somehow more sexual than any of that is simply untrue.  Being gay is a definition of a persons identify, not a sexual act.  You can be gay your whole life and never have sex.
 
2014-03-19 04:41:35 PM
Superintendent Brenda Haynes defended the decision to censor Ellis' story as leading the school in the "proper direction."
"We must make decisions that lead in the proper direction for all of our students and for our community," Haynes said in a Tuesday statement. "We must not make decisions based on demands by any special interest group



DING DING DING!
She just let her true colors show with that statement. One of those people who thinks "There is a gay agenda and we must protect the community from it!"
 
2014-03-19 04:44:18 PM

umad: Whoopty farking doo. A t-shirt with "NRA" written on it still isn't advocating violent, illegal, or threatening material, acts, or beliefs any more than a t-shirt with "ACLU" written on it is advocating hate speech.


You're entitled to your opinion. Just like the School District is entitled to theirs. They choose not to have any firearms-related material or advocacy on campus. The courts are good with that.
 
2014-03-19 04:45:02 PM
Sick of hearing about gays. Get a life gays.
 
2014-03-19 04:45:06 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.

Why does "family appropriate" always mean religiously/socially conservative, as though gay people don't also belong to families? Do you see some kind of difference between a gay kid mentioning their boyfriend/girlfriend and a straight kid doing the same? In either case, orientation is implicitly stated.

It shouldn't be a big deal for people without religious or sexual hangups, and even then, they can suck on the First Amendment.


I don't think straight kids should be able to post stories about discovering their sexual identity either.

Granted, I haven't read the story that got banned, so I'm only speculating.  But I don't see the need for anyone sexual coming of age tale to be told in the yearbook.  It doesn't seem appropriate to me.  I get that he is proud of who he is, cool.  So am I.  I wouldn't expect a tale of my telling everyone I was dating the fat chick to make the yearbook either, even though I mgiht be proud of it and I might feel there is nothing wrong with dating fat chicks and I might have been worried about telling people.  Whatever.  It's Arkansas, so maybe it should be a tale about dating my first cousin.  (I'm actually pro-incest, but that's nothing troll for another time).  The thing is, none of it has anything to do with school and sexual activities and preferences aren't appropriate.
 
2014-03-19 04:45:38 PM

menschenfresser: Yeah, and I'm also sick of the word "family" being used as a fig leaf for uninformed bullying and assholery. All people have families, including (*gasp*) gay people!! I'd be a lot more concerned if my son were like Ralph Reed et al. than if he were gay.


I wonder if little Suzy's story about her awesome moms is family appropriate?
 
2014-03-19 04:47:50 PM

HailRobonia: ReverendJynxed: Your coming out has nothing to do with school. I don't care if you made it with your first girl, boy, dog, or cat. Your sexual orientation doesn't belong in a yearbook. Stop pushing your agenda.

Which is why yearbooks NEVER show pictures of school dances or other events where couples might be displaying affection towards each other.


Our schools had teachers around to make sure that closeness didn't happen. It wasn't appropriate for the venue.
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-19 04:48:19 PM

OnlyM3: Are they also including "I farked the prom queen stories"? No? probably because who you fark has not a g.d. thing to do w/ school.


False equivalence is false, and awkwardly revealing.
 
2014-03-19 04:52:53 PM

kroonermanblack: They wouldn't let a straight male write 'banging biatches is awesome' or anything of a similar bent, would they?


False equivalency.

It's more like allowing the first black athlete in the school write something inspirational about what it was like being the first black athlete from the state of Alabama that was allowed to play football with the white kids.

/Of course in many places down south they still don't let blacks dance at the same homecoming and prom that white kids go to.
 
2014-03-19 04:59:55 PM
No, the equivalence is valid.

Not sure having a yearbook where kids talk about who they want to have sex with is such a good idea.

btw, when did yearbooks start having personal stories anyway?  I don't remember any student writing about anything in the printed yearbook.
 
2014-03-19 05:02:37 PM

snarfyboy: Fark_Guy_Rob: But I don't support sharing your coming out story in a yearbook.

Do you support pictures of people with their boyfriends/girlfriends?  Do you support yearbook contests that include things like "Cutest Couple"?  Homecoming Queen & King?  All of these asserts the student's sexuality.

Saying that being gay is somehow more sexual than any of that is simply untrue.  Being gay is a definition of a persons identify, not a sexual act.  You can be gay your whole life and never have sex.


I would actually disagree with pretty much every point you've made.

You cannot tell from a picture if someone is boyfriend and girlfriend.  You also cannot tell their sexual orientation.  Two happy people posing for a picture?  I support that being in the yearbook.  Regardless of gender, that's fine.  Nobody knows if they are gay or straight or bi or attracted to house plants.  If they are actively engaged in a sexual activity - making out - grabbing naughty parts etc -..... then it should not be in the yearbook.  Again, I don't care if it is a dude and a chick or 2 chicks or 2 dudes.  No problem there.

Cutest Couple - I'd say I'm against it in principle but probably wouldn't protest over it or anything.  A 'couple' can just be 'two people' or a pair of people.  It doesn't have to be a sexual couple....after all, there are asexual people and some of them enter relationships (let's not be close minded!).  Still, if it's just a picture of two people with the caption 'Cutest Couple' not doing anything sexual - I'm okay with it.  I spent a lot of time with my college roommate, we were like brothers.  We were a 'couple' in a sense - but not a romantic/sexual one.

Homecoming King/Queen - Ironically, believe it or not, the token gay kid at my school was our homecoming king.  So again, that doesn't actually say anything about sexuality.  Historically, I don't know of any countries ruled by a same sex couple and I get that real Kings and Queens would typically have sex, implying that they were probably straight (but in truth, I'm sure some where gay, but still).  The thing is, lots of stuff is separated by gender.  We had different locker rooms for boys and girls.  We had different sports teams.  We had different fitness standards in gym class.  I'm mostly okay with the king/queen deal, because again, they don't ahve to be straight.  At least in my school - it was just a popularity contest.  My senior prom had a gay king, but nobody would know his sexual orientation from the completely PG photos of him standing next to a girl.  I'd even be okay removing genders and just electing two people, of any sex, to be the Homecoming Couple.  The thing is, it's just two elected people.  They aren't swearing an oath that they are going to sleep with each other.

In all of those cases, I don't know ANYTHING about someone's sexual preferences.  I don't know if happy people in a photo are gay or straight or bi.

But if a kid writes, 'This is my story of how I learned _________ about my sexuality' - well, now I do know.  And I might really be interested.  I like to read.  Cool.  But it shouldn't be in a yearbook.

Happy couple smiling at camera - totally okay.
People proclaiming their sexual preferences - totally not okay.

Saying 'I'm gay' is totally different than taking a photo next to a dude.
 
2014-03-19 05:05:06 PM

EdNortonsTwin: Does the attention-whore, or the precious-snowflake meme apply to GLBT?

Between the yearbook and the St.Patrick's parades I'm going to have to lean toward YES.


Yep, wanting to be treated equally equals being an attention whore. Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to march in the st Patricks day parade either.
 
2014-03-19 05:06:40 PM

WanPhat: No, the equivalence is valid.

Not sure having a yearbook where kids talk about who they want to have sex with is such a good idea.

btw, when did yearbooks start having personal stories anyway?  I don't remember any student writing about anything in the printed yearbook.


Seriously? I went to high school when Reagan was president, and we had written articles in the yearbook. I wrote some of them. I imagine yearbooks have evolved somewhat by now, just as my class's yearbooks were not the same as my parents' yearbooks or my grandparents' yearbooks. They wore onions on their belts, as was the fashion at the time.
 
2014-03-19 05:07:00 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Astorix: Just like with rural Indiana the best thing you can do is leave Arkansas. Leave. Let it suffer a brain drain just like the rural parts of Indiana. Leave it to dry up and blow in the wind. Move to friendlier states with more accepting laws. Move to the East Coast, West Coast, Canada. Just leave.

You will be so much happier for it.

/I sure am. Left Indiana 18 years ago and the only thing I regret was not leaving there 10 years earlier.

Ha.  My roommate is from rural Indiana.  There's been a few times something stupid about Indiana has come up in conversation.  Right afterward someone trying to be considerate looks at him and says "oh, it's not THAT bad..." he promptly tells them "yes, it is, f--k that place, the best thing I ever did was leave".

Michigan: we're still better than Indiana.


that reminds me of a joke: why does Indianapolis have so many people? They're Kentuckians whose cars broke down on the way to Detroit.
 
2014-03-19 05:07:53 PM

EdNortonsTwin: Does the attention-whore, or the precious-snowflake meme apply to GLBT?

Between the yearbook and the St.Patrick's parades I'm going to have to lean toward YES.


Freaking Irish potato munching papists like yourself. You wops are always comin' over here takin' American jobs from us hard working white folk.
 
2014-03-19 05:10:18 PM
letrole: The idea of homosexuality being a legitimate expression of human sexuality is not accepted by society.

scottydoesntknow Or you could, I don't know, read a national poll every now and then that shows acceptance of homosexuality (and gay marriage) is now the majority opinion.

How many people support the criminalisation of Frozen Tofu? But how many people avoid eating tofu at all because it's nasty shiat?

Perhaps you need to focus that ascerbic wit, underlined above, into understanding the concept of false equivalence.

Perhaps you need to worry less about meaningless opinion polls and the vicarious sense of community offered by circle-jerk threads, and more about what happens in real life.
 
2014-03-19 05:11:30 PM

WanPhat: No, the equivalence is valid.

Not sure having a yearbook where kids talk about who they want to have sex with is such a good idea.


You can be gay your entire life without every having sex

What fuking part of that statement can't you morons get?

Stating you're gay isn't sexually explicit.
 
2014-03-19 05:11:53 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: You cannot tell from a picture if someone is boyfriend and girlfriend.


You can if it's kissing, or a prom picture or them dancing together... all of which happen in school time or activities.

Fark_Guy_Rob: Cutest Couple - I'd say I'm against it in principle but probably wouldn't protest over it or anything.  A 'couple' can just be 'two people' or a pair of people.  It doesn't have to be a sexual couple....after all, there are asexual people and some of them enter relationships (let's not be close minded!).  Still, if it's just a picture of two people with the caption 'Cutest Couple' not doing anything sexual - I'm okay with it.  I spent a lot of time with my college roommate, we were like brothers.  We were a 'couple' in a sense - but not a romantic/sexual one.


Cutest couple is about a dating couple.  Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Fark_Guy_Rob: Saying 'I'm gay' is totally different than taking a photo next to a dude.


True, saying coming is an incredibly hard thing to say in school and how your classmates react to it is very telling.  It's a story about predjudice and/or accemptance and involves lessons about how people treat each other and how they will be in the future.  A picture of two dudes is just boring and meaningless.

But to you it's about sex. Shame that.
 
2014-03-19 05:12:17 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.

Why does "family appropriate" always mean religiously/socially conservative, as though gay people don't also belong to families? Do you see some kind of difference between a gay kid mentioning their boyfriend/girlfriend and a straight kid doing the same? In either case, orientation is implicitly stated.

It shouldn't be a big deal for people without religious or sexual hangups, and even then, they can suck on the First Amendment.

I don't think straight kids should be able to post stories about discovering their sexual identity either.

Granted, I haven't read the story that got banned, so I'm only speculating.  But I don't see the need for anyone sexual coming of age tale to be told in the yearbook.  It doesn't seem appropriate to me.  I get that he is proud of who he is, cool.  So am I.  I wouldn't expect a tale of my telling everyone I was dating the fat chick to make the yearbook either, even though I mgiht be proud of it and I might feel there is nothing wrong with dating fat chicks and I might have been worried about telling people.  Whatever.  It's Arkansas, so maybe it should be a tale about dating my first cousin.  (I'm actually pro-incest, but that's nothing troll for another time).  The thing is, none of it has anything to do with school and sexual activities and preferences aren't appropriate.


Sexual activity- not approprate or relevant.

Sexual preference- entirely appropriate and in context very relevant to the apparently accepting nature of kids at the school.

It's not about sexuality per se, it's about acceptance. The kid's story was that he felt comfortable stating openly that he was gay, because the other kids were accepting  of that. It would be the same story if he "came out" as any non-mainstream religion and was likewise accepted. It's ridiculous that some people feel threatened by that enough to censor it.
 
2014-03-19 05:13:09 PM

simkatu: kroonermanblack: They wouldn't let a straight male write 'banging biatches is awesome' or anything of a similar bent, would they?

False equivalency.

It's more like allowing the first black athlete in the school write something inspirational about what it was like being the first black athlete from the state of Alabama that was allowed to play football with the white kids.

/Of course in many places down south they still don't let blacks dance at the same homecoming and prom that white kids go to.


I can imagine a society where people are as open about sex as they are about sports.  But we don't live in it.  I'd probably be cool with such a place, but a high school year book isn't the place to fight that battle.

Race is entirely different than sex.
Sports are entirely different than sex.
Hobbies are entirely different than sex.

Sex, in our society, isn't just taboo for minors - it's often illegal.  Maybe it should be different, I'm not arguing that our way is the best way....but given our society, I agree with the school, 100%.  A black kid playing a sport is totally relevant to the school.  Sports are a big part of high school.  Sports are age appropriate for everyone attending the school that would read the yearbook.

A story about a German immigrant who moved to the school and had to learn English and the culture - totally good for a yearbook story.  Not everyone is German, not everyone has to learn English, and it's related to school, because culture and English are a big part of school.  Good times.

A story about a kid who entered the science fair and made it to state - that's a great story.
Even a story about a kid's parents getting divorced - I wouldn't want to read it, but sure, no complaints.
A story about being sad cause school was so awesome - sure whatever.

Any story about what I like to do with my penis....not appropriate for a yearbook.
 
2014-03-19 05:13:41 PM

impaler: What fuking part of that statement can't you morons get?


People like that have to fetishize homosexuality. It's the only way they can comprehend or deal with it.
 
2014-03-19 05:14:01 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: sexual coming of age tale


I know you keep pretending this is a some story about him getting an erection in the men's locker room while another boy covertly smiles at him, but I'm guessing that's just wishful thinking on your part.

/A story talking about how glad he was that his classmates were accepting of him when he came out is not quite like a "sexual coming of age tale".
 
2014-03-19 05:15:19 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: You cannot tell from a picture if someone is boyfriend and girlfriend.


And this being a yearbook, everyone in it is strangers to everyone reading it, right?

Jesus. Can you be more obtuse?
 
2014-03-19 05:15:29 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Race is entirely different than sex.
Sports are entirely different than sex.
Hobbies are entirely different than sex.


Race and sexual preference are both inborn traits that are unchangeable by psychiatric, religious, or medical treatments.

Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex, in our society, isn't just taboo for minors - it's often illegal.  Maybe it should be different, I'm not arguing that our way is the best way....but given our society, I agree with the school, 100%


Because you're an idiot. No one is advocating them going out and having sex. Sexual orientation also determines emotional attachment, not just physical.

Fark_Guy_Rob: Any story about what I like to do with my penis....not appropriate for a yearbook.


That explains so much.
 
2014-03-19 05:18:47 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: But if a kid writes, 'This is my story of how I learned _________ about my sexuality' - well, now I do know. And I might really be interested. I like to read. Cool. But it shouldn't be in a yearbook.


Why the hell shouldn't it be? The yearbook is about student life. That includes the diversity of students that go to the school. You're claim about straights not proclaiming their sexuality is horsehit and you know it. The default assumption in our society is that somebody is straight. The cutest couple and prom king and queen are assumed to be straight, unless otherwise stated. What you're essentially saying here is that it's fine for the kid to be gay, just as long as you know, he doesn't announce it in public. Keeps it in the closet so to say.

Everything mentioned in the article says it was not a story about his "coming of age" sexually. It was about the reaction to him coming out by the students in the school. Considering how maligned gay students have historically been, it's exactly the type of article that a yearbook should have. I doubt you'd be rallying against an article about the student's reaction to a foreign student and his culture, or a disabled student and the trials they have at school. Always seems to be when it's those gay kids that suddenly everyone is all about how schools should only talk about strictly academic topics.
 
2014-03-19 05:19:18 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.

Why does "family appropriate" always mean religiously/socially conservative, as though gay people don't also belong to families? Do you see some kind of difference between a gay kid mentioning their boyfriend/girlfriend and a straight kid doing the same? In either case, orientation is implicitly stated.

It shouldn't be a big deal for people without religious or sexual hangups, and even then, they can suck on the First Amendment.

I don't think straight kids should be able to post stories about discovering their sexual identity either.

Granted, I haven't read the story that got banned, so I'm only speculating.  But I don't see the need for anyone sexual coming of age tale to be told in the yearbook.  It doesn't seem appropriate to me.  I get that he is proud of who he is, cool.  So am I.  I wouldn't expect a tale of my telling everyone I was dating the fat chick to make the yearbook either, even though I mgiht be proud of it and I might feel there is nothing wrong with dating fat chicks and I might have been worried about telling people.  Whatever.  It's Arkansas, so maybe it should be a tale about dating my first cousin.  (I'm actually pro-incest, but that's nothing troll for another time).  The thing is, none of it has anything to do with school and sexual activities and preferences aren't appropriate.

Sexual activity- not approprate or relevant.

Sexual preference- entirely appropriate and in context very relevant to the apparently accepting nature of kids at the school.

It's not about sexuality per se, it's about acceptance. The kid's story was that he felt comfortable stating openly that he was gay, because the other kids were accepting  of that. It would be the same story if he "came out" as any non-mainstream religion and was likewise accepted. It's ridiculous that some people feel threatened by ...


Sex is taboo in our society.  For a lot of students in high school, it's illegal.  Sending nude pics to your classmate is distribution of child porn.

Religion is not.

There are all sorts of sexual preferences.  Go to any porn site and look at the 'categories' section.  Nobody in the yearbook should know or care which of those categories I particularly like to pick.  And, with any of them, if you want, you can find an entire culture and lifestyle around it.  And society can be unaccepting of your.....interracial cuckold lifestyle....(as an example).  But the tale of how you came to grips with that, and how told the story to your friends and how supporting they were.....not appropriate for a yearbook in our society, in it's current form, IMHO.  I'd certainly side with the school district.

I'd also expect them to do the same thing if kids were talking about drug use.  And i'm a HUGE FAN of drugs.  Heck, I'm also a big fan of guns, and schools all over the country have banned them and disbarred gun/hunting clubs.

// I am NOT implying being gay/straight/bi is the same as guns or drugs.  I'm only saying there is a long established precedent of schools banning taboo things.  Sex is taboo.  So even though I support being gay, I don't support it in yearbooks.
 
2014-03-19 05:20:05 PM

hardinparamedic: Race and sexual preference are both inborn traits that are unchangeable by psychiatric, religious, or medical treatments.


Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour. The instinct for sex involves thrusting and groping and kissing and so forth. If you get horny at the sight of a naked man, or if you get horny at the sight of a naked woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.

Bushmen don't have any more interest in female breasts than they do in elbows. The Western fascination with breasts is not instinctive. Certain deviants find stinky feet to be objects of desire. There is very little 'hard-wiring' involved in sexual attraction. You grope and fondle and kiss with whatever you've been taught to be appropriate.

 
2014-03-19 05:20:53 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Race is entirely different than sex.
Sports are entirely different than sex.
Hobbies are entirely different than sex.


Sexual gender preference is entirely different than sex.

One is an in born trait, the other is a physical action.

The kid was talking about the trait, not the action.

What part of that are you too stupid to understand?
 
2014-03-19 05:22:16 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: You cannot tell from a picture if someone is boyfriend and girlfriend. You also cannot tell their sexual orientation. Two happy people posing for a picture? I support that being in the yearbook. Regardless of gender, that's fine. Nobody knows if they are gay or straight or bi or attracted to house plants. If they are actively engaged in a sexual activity - making out - grabbing naughty parts etc -..... then it should not be in the yearbook. Again, I don't care if it is a dude and a chick or 2 chicks or 2 dudes. No problem there.


I'm going to a rather fancy wedding this weekend. I will be accompanied by a girl. If the photographer takes a picture of us dancing together at the reception, will your first thought upon looking at that photograph be "oh, those two must just be platonic friends with each other" or "oh, those two must be dating and attracted to each other"? Unless you are truly out of the norm, it will be the latter. Presumptions of heterosexuality are rampant.
 
2014-03-19 05:23:45 PM
Apparently school yearbooks have changed a lot.  We didn't write "our story" in the yearbook when I was young.  I can't even envision how this would work.  I don't have any idea of what kind of "story" most people tell to compare his "I'm coming out as gay" story to it.
 
2014-03-19 05:24:07 PM

hardinparamedic: Fark_Guy_Rob: Race is entirely different than sex.
Sports are entirely different than sex.
Hobbies are entirely different than sex.

Race and sexual preference are both inborn traits that are unchangeable by psychiatric, religious, or medical treatments.


I believe Michael Jackson proved that this is not actually true.
 
2014-03-19 05:24:42 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: There are all sorts of sexual preferences.  Go to any porn site and look at the 'categories' section


You really do have shiat for brains.

Sexual gender preference isn't the same thing as preference for particular sexual acts.
 
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