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(Salon)   Arkansas school that banned gay student's coming out story in yearbook relents to public pressure. Ha, just kidding, they doubled down and banned other students from mentioning his coming out story   (salon.com) divider line 276
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2014-03-19 01:16:53 PM  
"I personally I do not think there's a risk of that because everyone in the school already knows. It's not a secret," Bruner told KLRT. "He did come out last year and he did it over a social networking site so everyone knows already, and the story, like I said, is talking about how accepting everyone has been toward him."

That's why the school is so threatened by it.
 
2014-03-19 01:22:59 PM  
A yearbook is no place for coming of age stories.  You want to share stories of your personal growth and finding peace with who you are,  write it on your crappy blog.
 
2014-03-19 01:33:42 PM  
That's quite a lesson they're teaching there.
 
2014-03-19 01:42:14 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: That's quite a lesson they're teaching there.


You're the real monster, Sir.

How dare you be intolerant of the rights of those school administrators to be intolerant of others. How dare you stifle their first Amendment rights, Sir.
 
2014-03-19 01:46:33 PM  

hardinparamedic: Marcus Aurelius: That's quite a lesson they're teaching there.

You're the real monster, Sir.

How dare you be intolerant of the rights of those school administrators to be intolerant of others. How dare you stifle their first Amendment rights, Sir.


Yes, what about the Christians who don't want that kind of filth in their yearbook?
 
2014-03-19 01:53:13 PM  
Something about Streissand applies here.
 
2014-03-19 01:54:22 PM  
As John Lyon at the Arkansas News Bureau reports, Sheridan High School cut seven student profiles in the yearbook after officials learned that a profile on high school junior Taylor Ellis, written by a fellow classmate and yearbook editor Hannah Bruner, addressed Ellis' coming-out story and experiences with his fellow students.

I read that reporters name with an extra letter. It was a lot weirder that way.
 
2014-03-19 02:38:31 PM  

EvilEgg: hardinparamedic: Marcus Aurelius: That's quite a lesson they're teaching there.

You're the real monster, Sir.

How dare you be intolerant of the rights of those school administrators to be intolerant of others. How dare you stifle their first Amendment rights, Sir.

Yes, what about the Christians who don't want that kind of filth in their yearbook?


Umm, grow up? Probably should've sent your crotch fruit to private school if you don't want them to be exposed to different people.
 
2014-03-19 02:46:24 PM  
The derp brigade will turn this on its head as usual and say that they're the real victims, being oppressed, persecuted, etc. etc. What about their right to openly state that others are subhuman and act on that "belief"? What about them???
 
2014-03-19 02:47:01 PM  
Free the Sheridan Ls and Gs!
 
2014-03-19 02:48:05 PM  
Arkansas.  Making Arizona look good by comparison in alphabetized lists of states for over 100 years.
 
2014-03-19 02:48:45 PM  

dj_bigbird: Something about Streissand applies here.


Isn't that always true?
 
2014-03-19 02:50:32 PM  

whatsupchuck: Arkansas.  Making Arizona look good by comparison in alphabetized lists of states for over 100 years.


Perhaps but compared the surrounding southern states, Arkansas comes out looking pretty good.
 
2014-03-19 02:51:32 PM  

sigdiamond2000: he story, like I said, is talking about how accepting everyone has been toward him."

That's why the school is so threatened by it.


THAT
 
2014-03-19 02:52:00 PM  
Don't buy the yearbook in protest.  Or buy it and burn it in a video on your blog, maybe even gather others for a larger spectacle.  You can easily "shame" the school in any number of free-speech ways as a nice regular reminder of the school's hypocrisy (catering to one group while saying 'we dont cater to special interests').

Of course they dug in the heels on this issue.  My surprise-o-meter didnt budge a millimeter.
 
2014-03-19 02:52:38 PM  

whatsupchuck: Arkansas.  Making Arizona look good by comparison in alphabetized lists of states for over 100 years.


I thought Arizona only hated Mexicans, while Arkansas hates anyone who isn't Jesus.
 
2014-03-19 02:53:09 PM  

EvilEgg: hardinparamedic: Marcus Aurelius: That's quite a lesson they're teaching there.

You're the real monster, Sir.

How dare you be intolerant of the rights of those school administrators to be intolerant of others. How dare you stifle their first Amendment rights, Sir.

Yes, what about the Christians who don't want that kind of filth in their yearbook?


img.fark.net

I don't want any damn Commies in my yearbook!
And no Christians either!
 
2014-03-19 02:53:17 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Umm, grow up? Probably should've sent your crotch fruit to private school if you don't want them to be exposed to different people.


Your sarcasm detector is broken, isn't it?
 
2014-03-19 02:55:01 PM  

The Flexecutioner: Don't buy the yearbook in protest.  Or buy it and burn it in a video on your blog, maybe even gather others for a larger spectacle.  You can easily "shame" the school in any number of free-speech ways as a nice regular reminder of the school's hypocrisy (catering to one group while saying 'we dont cater to special interests').

Of course they dug in the heels on this issue.  My surprise-o-meter didnt budge a millimeter.


It might have already been charged with student fees in the beginning of the year.
 
2014-03-19 02:55:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: EvilEgg: hardinparamedic: Marcus Aurelius: That's quite a lesson they're teaching there.

You're the real monster, Sir.

How dare you be intolerant of the rights of those school administrators to be intolerant of others. How dare you stifle their first Amendment rights, Sir.

Yes, what about the Christians who don't want that kind of filth in their yearbook?

Umm, grow up? Probably should've sent your crotch fruit to private school if you don't want them to be exposed to different people.


I'm guessing their profiles are all full of messages of godloving goodness - and I would also guess they probably won't be banned - here's to hoping that there is no double standard
 
2014-03-19 02:56:24 PM  

hardinparamedic: scottydoesntknow: Umm, grow up? Probably should've sent your crotch fruit to private school if you don't want them to be exposed to different people.

Your sarcasm detector is broken, isn't it?


I've been meaning to bring it in for recalibration.
 
2014-03-19 02:57:14 PM  

foo monkey: whatsupchuck: Arkansas.  Making Arizona look good by comparison in alphabetized lists of states for over 100 years.

I thought Arizona only hated Mexicans, while Arkansas hates anyone who isn't Jesus.


You way underestimate Arizona, but I think you get my point.
 
2014-03-19 02:57:14 PM  

EvilEgg: A yearbook is no place for coming of age stories.  You want to share stories of your personal growth and finding peace with who you are,  write it on your crappy blog.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-19 02:58:28 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: The Flexecutioner: Don't buy the yearbook in protest.  Or buy it and burn it in a video on your blog, maybe even gather others for a larger spectacle.  You can easily "shame" the school in any number of free-speech ways as a nice regular reminder of the school's hypocrisy (catering to one group while saying 'we dont cater to special interests').

Of course they dug in the heels on this issue.  My surprise-o-meter didnt budge a millimeter.

It might have already been charged with student fees in the beginning of the year.


Maybe.  It was always voluntary in my high school days but I can believe that kind of thing too.
 
2014-03-19 02:59:45 PM  
Hey, if schools disallow NRA T-shirts, then they can pretty much disallow anything they want, can't they?  After all, even teh geys need to learn the three R's, in addition to teh two holes.
 
2014-03-19 03:00:27 PM  
Personally - I don't think anyone's sexual preferences are appropriate for a high school year book....

'I'll never forget the first time I found robot-bondage-gangbang porn.  Class of 2015 FTW!'
 
2014-03-19 03:00:35 PM  
I'm not interested enough to read the original story or this one. Is there any chance, and I know this is stupid, that the school didn't want the yearbook politicized? They wouldn't let a straight male write 'banging biatches is awesome' or anything of a similar bent, would they? The yearbook is a place for empty faux philosophical thoughts, not real shiat.
 
2014-03-19 03:02:56 PM  
So if I'm reading this correctly...

School: We cannot include it because it may negatively affect other students and could lead to the student being bullied.

Students: We all know, we support him and think it's an important lesson. You're the only ones being bullies.

School: WHARGARBBLLL
 
2014-03-19 03:04:41 PM  
It's a graduating class's chance to leave their mark, in a yearbook, and instead of celebrating moving forward and growing the fark up, you make yourselves as obsolete as the 50s. Well done, administration. Teach those kids a lesson that all experiences and life should be a sterile, static environment. Memories not made or left, instead just one more swinging door of the man and his machine, as we the cogs wend our way through it to the end and ultimate legacy.
 
2014-03-19 03:05:25 PM  

victrin: So if I'm reading this correctly...

School: We cannot include it because it may negatively affect other students and could lead to the student being bullied.

Students: We all know, we support him and think it's an important lesson. You're the only ones being bullies.

School: WHARGARBBLLL

Then read his stupid blog.

FTFY
 
2014-03-19 03:05:28 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Personally - I don't think anyone's sexual preferences are appropriate for a high school year book....


So, no pics of Homecoming king and queen or prom couples, eh?
 
2014-03-19 03:07:56 PM  

victrin: So if I'm reading this correctly...

School: We cannot include it because it may negatively affect other students and could lead to the student being bullied.

Students: We all know, we support him and think it's an important lesson. You're the only ones being bullies.

School: WHARGARBBLLL


Yes, because we all remember when we were in high school this monolithic group of people called 'students' all had the same thought and feelings.
 
2014-03-19 03:08:10 PM  
There are no doubt many hilariously awful student photos that "could lead to the student being bullied." The school should probably refuse to include those in the yearbook as well.
 
2014-03-19 03:08:10 PM  
Also I would like to know if they allow religious coming out stories. Any stories involving finding Jesus? What about other religions?

That would be a fun test to run.
 
2014-03-19 03:08:42 PM  
Maybe his yearbook profile was:

16 yo GWM sub bottom into sucking, farking, JO, rimming, scat, fisting, group, dad/son, water sports, feet, PnP
 
2014-03-19 03:11:32 PM  

kroonermanblack: I'm not interested enough to read the original story or this one. Is there any chance, and I know this is stupid, that the school didn't want the yearbook politicized? They wouldn't let a straight male write 'banging biatches is awesome' or anything of a similar bent, would they? The yearbook is a place for empty faux philosophical thoughts, not real shiat.


I don't know what his coming out story said, but I'm guessing there's not a lot of "since I came out, I'm getting more cock than a henhouse" in it.

What if it was a foreign student's story of being the new kid at the school and how accepting everyone was of him/her? Would THAT story be banned as well?
 
2014-03-19 03:11:52 PM  
It's funny watching bigots squirm and try to explain how they're not really bigots...
 
2014-03-19 03:14:44 PM  
Anything other than "A Road Not Taken" is A-OK in my book.
 
2014-03-19 03:15:11 PM  
I feel sorry for the gay kids that were unlucky enough to be born in Arkansas or any other of our theocratic states.
 
2014-03-19 03:16:13 PM  
Your coming out has nothing to do with school. I don't care if you made it with your first girl, boy, dog, or cat. Your sexual orientation doesn't belong in a yearbook. Stop pushing your agenda.
 
2014-03-19 03:18:35 PM  
Tell you what, when they let me amend my yearbook to read "Pussy Hound" then you can have your NAMBLA endorsement.
 
2014-03-19 03:19:09 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: It's funny watching bigots squirm and try to explain how they're not really bigots...


Did we read the same article?  Perhaps the superintendent is a bigot (it's not clear from the piece) but she sure wasn't squirming.  In fact, she doubled-down on her decision, according to the title.
 
2014-03-19 03:19:19 PM  
Just like with rural Indiana the best thing you can do is leave Arkansas. Leave. Let it suffer a brain drain just like the rural parts of Indiana. Leave it to dry up and blow in the wind. Move to friendlier states with more accepting laws. Move to the East Coast, West Coast, Canada. Just leave.

You will be so much happier for it.

/I sure am. Left Indiana 18 years ago and the only thing I regret was not leaving there 10 years earlier.
 
2014-03-19 03:19:44 PM  

CynicalLA: I feel sorry for the gay kids that were unlucky enough to be born in Arkansas or any other of our theocratic states.


Surprisingly enough, the college towns and Little Rock have a large and open LGBT local culture. Once you get out of those, however, it's best to at least pretend to be straight, lest you be tarred and feathered if you're lucky.
 
2014-03-19 03:20:29 PM  
If a yearbook isn't the proper place to discuss your proclivities in the bedroom, then I don't know where is.
 
2014-03-19 03:21:50 PM  

umad: If a yearbook isn't the proper place to discuss your proclivities in the bedroom, then I don't know where is.


How much gay porn do you whack to on a daily basis?

I only ask because those who seek to fetishize sexual orientation and make it strictly about sexual intercourse tend to be the most closeted, sexually deviant individuals you're likely to meet.
 
2014-03-19 03:22:29 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Your coming out has nothing to do with school. I don't care if you made it with your first girl, boy, dog, or cat. Your sexual orientation doesn't belong in a yearbook. Stop pushing your agenda.


Which is why yearbooks NEVER show pictures of school dances or other events where couples might be displaying affection towards each other.
 
2014-03-19 03:22:37 PM  
Arkansas has come a long way since I was a school boy for instance I got death threats when people just thought I was gay. I didn't understand as I lived as much as I could inside my head. I didn't even know I was gay then but then I also didn't know why the people that lived outside my head were such jerks. The younger me wouldn't have said asshole.
 
2014-03-19 03:22:55 PM  

hardinparamedic: CynicalLA: I feel sorry for the gay kids that were unlucky enough to be born in Arkansas or any other of our theocratic states.

Surprisingly enough, the college towns and Little Rock have a large and open LGBT local culture. Once you get out of those, however, it's best to at least pretend to be straight, lest you be tarred and feathered if you're lucky.


And California also has parts that are really conservative.  I guess the only option is to stay away from rural areas.
 
2014-03-19 03:23:21 PM  

kroonermanblack: I'm not interested enough to read the original story or this one. Is there any chance, and I know this is stupid, that the school didn't want the yearbook politicized? They wouldn't let a straight male write 'banging biatches is awesome' or anything of a similar bent, would they? The yearbook is a place for empty faux philosophical thoughts, not real shiat.


Why do you think his story was going to say something like  "I love having guys suck my rock-hard cock until I cum in their mouth"?

ReverendJynxed: Your coming out has nothing to do with school. I don't care if you made it with your first girl, boy, dog, or cat. Your sexual orientation doesn't belong in a yearbook. Stop pushing your agenda.


Does the yearbook include pictures of guys dancing with girls at prom or homecoming? Does the yearbook include who won class awards like "cutest couple"? Does the yearbook include shout-outs to opposite-gender significant others? Congratulations, sexual orientation is already a part of the yearbook!
 
2014-03-19 03:23:32 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Personally - I don't think anyone's sexual preferences are appropriate for a high school year book....

'I'll never forget the first time I found robot-bondage-gangbang porn.  Class of 2015 FTW!'


Yet I bet they have a cutest couple, like ours did.  Doesn't that display their sexual preference?
 
2014-03-19 03:23:37 PM  

rkiller1: TheDirtyNacho: It's funny watching bigots squirm and try to explain how they're not really bigots...

Did we read the same article?  Perhaps the superintendent is a bigot (it's not clear from the piece) but she sure wasn't squirming.  In fact, she doubled-down on her decision, according to the title.



"The superintendent of the school district has responded to calls to reinstate the story by calling censorship "consistent with the mission of our school," while the principal has said that keeping the profile out of the yearbook will prevent bullying."


Ah yes, we're censoring you for your own protection.
 
2014-03-19 03:24:37 PM  

hardinparamedic: umad: If a yearbook isn't the proper place to discuss your proclivities in the bedroom, then I don't know where is.

How much gay porn do you whack to on a daily basis?

I only ask because those who seek to fetishize sexual orientation and make it strictly about sexual intercourse tend to be the most closeted, sexually deviant individuals you're likely to meet.


Yeah, you dont sexualize, sexual orientation!
 
2014-03-19 03:24:41 PM  

CynicalLA: And California also has parts that are really conservative. I guess the only option is to stay away from rural areas.


Agreed. Stay away from Orange County.
 
2014-03-19 03:24:55 PM  

EvilEgg: A yearbook is no place for coming of age stories.  You want to share stories of your personal growth and finding peace with who you are,  write it on your crappy blog.


or your christmas card letter please!
 
2014-03-19 03:26:24 PM  

hardinparamedic: umad: If a yearbook isn't the proper place to discuss your proclivities in the bedroom, then I don't know where is.

How much gay porn do you whack to on a daily basis?


You could have read all about it in my highschool yearbook but the fascists in charge wouldn't print it.
 
hej
2014-03-19 03:28:07 PM  
I don't know why this is so hard to understand.  If you want to be gay, don't live in Arkansas.
 
2014-03-19 03:28:48 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: It's funny watching bigots squirm and try to explain how they're not really bigots...


I also love how they cover up their discomfort (and probably some titillation) about thinking a lot about gay sex, because it seems that is all they can understand about what coming out is.
 
2014-03-19 03:29:00 PM  

rkiller1: CynicalLA: And California also has parts that are really conservative. I guess the only option is to stay away from rural areas.

Agreed. Stay away from Orange County.


The whitest place I've ever lived was Corona Del Mar in Orange County.  More economic Republican types than the religious right loonies though.
 
2014-03-19 03:29:22 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Personally - I don't think anyone's sexual preferences are appropriate for a high school year book....

'I'll never forget the first time I found robot-bondage-gangbang porn.  Class of 2015 FTW!'


I have to assume this is trolling, but in case it's not:

Homosexuality is a bit more complex, as an identifier, than what goes on in the bedroom.
 
2014-03-19 03:29:25 PM  

I alone am best: Yeah, you dont sexualize, sexual orientation!


That must explain the whole "sanctity of marriage" that people are going on about. I mean, without sex, no wonder the majority of marriages end in divorce after one year. Nothing else comes out of the qualities of the person you're emotionally attracted to, right?
 
2014-03-19 03:30:01 PM  

rkiller1: TheDirtyNacho: It's funny watching bigots squirm and try to explain how they're not really bigots...

Did we read the same article?  Perhaps the superintendent is a bigot (it's not clear from the piece) but she sure wasn't squirming.  In fact, she doubled-down on her decision, according to the title.


I think he is referring to some of the farkers commenting on TFA
 
2014-03-19 03:30:13 PM  

hej: I don't know why this is so hard to understand.  If you want to be gay, don't live in Arkansas.


Because it's so easy for a high school student who is still living with their parents to just up and move to another state.
 
2014-03-19 03:30:50 PM  
Stating your sexual orientation is about as salacious as stating your religion. Stupid Puritans freaking out over every damn thing. Grow up.
 
2014-03-19 03:30:54 PM  

EvilEgg: Yes, what about the Christians who don't want that kind of filth in their yearbook?


You're far too obvious, troll.
 
2014-03-19 03:31:26 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: rkiller1: TheDirtyNacho: It's funny watching bigots squirm and try to explain how they're not really bigots...

Did we read the same article?  Perhaps the superintendent is a bigot (it's not clear from the piece) but she sure wasn't squirming.  In fact, she doubled-down on her decision, according to the title.


"The superintendent of the school district has responded to calls to reinstate the story by calling censorship "consistent with the mission of our school," while the principal has said that keeping the profile out of the yearbook will prevent bullying."


Ah yes, we're censoring you for your own protection.


And to you that's a bigot humorously squirming?
Um, okay...to each his own.
 
2014-03-19 03:31:30 PM  

Serious Black: hej: I don't know why this is so hard to understand.  If you want to be gay, don't live in Arkansas.

Because it's so easy for a high school student who is still living with their parents to just up and move to another state.


You didn't get to pick where you born?  You got jipped.
 
2014-03-19 03:32:11 PM  

Serious Black: kroonermanblack: I'm not interested enough to read the original story or this one. Is there any chance, and I know this is stupid, that the school didn't want the yearbook politicized? They wouldn't let a straight male write 'banging biatches is awesome' or anything of a similar bent, would they? The yearbook is a place for empty faux philosophical thoughts, not real shiat.

Why do you think his story was going to say something like  "I love having guys suck my rock-hard cock until I cum in their mouth"?

ReverendJynxed: Your coming out has nothing to do with school. I don't care if you made it with your first girl, boy, dog, or cat. Your sexual orientation doesn't belong in a yearbook. Stop pushing your agenda.


I think it is because they secretly want what they are having and feel bad about it, since that is all they see when they think of gay guys.
 
2014-03-19 03:33:09 PM  

The Flexecutioner: Don't buy the yearbook in protest.


Everyone submit a profile that will likely be omitted. Result: a book of blank pages.
 
2014-03-19 03:34:11 PM  
Meanwhile a kid got suspended the other day for wearing a pro-second amendment shirt to school, you know, something that actually impacts his life and future, rather than some yearbook crap.

Why do school still sell yearbooks anyway? Isn't that anti-green to waste all that paper? Global warming!
 
2014-03-19 03:34:18 PM  

Serious Black: Does the yearbook include pictures of guys dancing with girls at prom or homecoming? Does the yearbook include who won class awards like "cutest couple"? Does the yearbook include shout-outs to opposite-gender significant others? Congratulations, sexual orientation is already a part of the yearbook!


Jesus H Christ, THIS.
 
2014-03-19 03:36:02 PM  
I think its very sweet that the students have been so supportive. I can't imagine that being the case had he come out even 10 years ago. It's pretty amazing to see how things have changed in just a few years, even if the school doesn't "get" it.
 
2014-03-19 03:36:38 PM  

Bullseyed: Meanwhile a kid got suspended the other day for wearing a pro-second amendment shirt to school, you know, something that actually impacts his life and future, rather than some yearbook crap.

Why do school still sell yearbooks anyway? Isn't that anti-green to waste all that paper? Global warming!


Yeah. I'm gonna stop you there.

He does not have a right to express his "Second Amendment Rights" on school grounds. Not only is it threatening to other students and supportive of a "violent belief", but it's disruptive to the learning environment. So yeah, the school is well within their rights to restrict political speech like that, so sayeth the SCOTUS.

All2morrowsparTs: I think it is because they secretly want what they are having and feel bad about it, since that is all they see when they think of gay guys.


They have to fetishize sexual orientation. Otherwise, they might be forced to come to terms with the emotional feelings they have.
 
2014-03-19 03:37:05 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: rkiller1: TheDirtyNacho: It's funny watching bigots squirm and try to explain how they're not really bigots...

Did we read the same article?  Perhaps the superintendent is a bigot (it's not clear from the piece) but she sure wasn't squirming.  In fact, she doubled-down on her decision, according to the title.

I think he is referring to some of the farkers commenting on TFA


I had considered that and expected him/her to reply accordingly, but instead s/he quoted the piece to bolster the argument.
 
2014-03-19 03:37:18 PM  

rkiller1: TheDirtyNacho: rkiller1: TheDirtyNacho: It's funny watching bigots squirm and try to explain how they're not really bigots...

Did we read the same article?  Perhaps the superintendent is a bigot (it's not clear from the piece) but she sure wasn't squirming.  In fact, she doubled-down on her decision, according to the title.


"The superintendent of the school district has responded to calls to reinstate the story by calling censorship "consistent with the mission of our school," while the principal has said that keeping the profile out of the yearbook will prevent bullying."


Ah yes, we're censoring you for your own protection.

And to you that's a bigot humorously squirming?
Um, okay...to each his own.



Yes.  It's some piece of shiat bigot pretending to be saving the children, preventing bullying or whatever.  Not much different than those pieces of shiat in Arizona who tried to legalize discrimination in the name of "religious freedom".

Cognitive dissonance makes them squirm because they don't see themselves as bigots, even though they clearly are.
 
2014-03-19 03:38:19 PM  
 

Astorix: Just like with rural Indiana the best thing you can do is leave Arkansas. Leave. Let it suffer a brain drain just like the rural parts of Indiana. Leave it to dry up and blow in the wind. Move to friendlier states with more accepting laws. Move to the East Coast, West Coast, Canada. Just leave.

You will be so much happier for it.

/I sure am. Left Indiana 18 years ago and the only thing I regret was not leaving there 10 years earlier.


Ha.  My roommate is from rural Indiana.  There's been a few times something stupid about Indiana has come up in conversation.  Right afterward someone trying to be considerate looks at him and says "oh, it's not THAT bad..." he promptly tells them "yes, it is, f--k that place, the best thing I ever did was leave".

Michigan: we're still better than Indiana.
 
2014-03-19 03:38:25 PM  
Are they also including "I farked the prom queen stories"? No? probably because who you fark has not a g.d. thing to do w/ school.
 
2014-03-19 03:38:30 PM  
Yep, not being able to think or talk about gays without going over how they fark doesn't make you seem sexually aroused by it. Nope, not at all.
 
2014-03-19 03:41:34 PM  
I detected a conservative dog whistle or two in there, so it looks like the principal is just the run of the mill bigoted conservative "Christian".
 
2014-03-19 03:41:35 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: rkiller1: TheDirtyNacho: rkiller1: TheDirtyNacho: It's funny watching bigots squirm and try to explain how they're not really bigots...

Did we read the same article?  Perhaps the superintendent is a bigot (it's not clear from the piece) but she sure wasn't squirming.  In fact, she doubled-down on her decision, according to the title.


"The superintendent of the school district has responded to calls to reinstate the story by calling censorship "consistent with the mission of our school," while the principal has said that keeping the profile out of the yearbook will prevent bullying."


Ah yes, we're censoring you for your own protection.

And to you that's a bigot humorously squirming?
Um, okay...to each his own.


Yes.  It's some piece of shiat bigot pretending to be saving the children, preventing bullying or whatever.  Not much different than those pieces of shiat in Arizona who tried to legalize discrimination in the name of "religious freedom".

Cognitive dissonance makes them squirm because they don't see themselves as bigots, even though they clearly are.


So when you wrote "funny" you were being ironic and really meant "angry"?
Got it.
Peace...out.
 
2014-03-19 03:42:00 PM  

Lollipop165: I think its very sweet that the students have been so supportive. I can't imagine that being the case had he come out even 10 years ago. It's pretty amazing to see how things have changed in just a few years, even if the school doesn't "get" it.


Depends where.  We had three out people in my suburban Michigan high school (Two lesbians who inevitably dated each other and then had a nasty breakup, and one gay guy) and no one really batted an eye - even though the state as a whole banned gay marriage right after that.  Ally kids these days are way more vocal about their support though, though, and good on them.  The kids are alright.

thesocietypages.org
/and those percentages have only gone up since
 
2014-03-19 03:42:13 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Your coming out has nothing to do with school. I don't care if you made it with your first girl, boy, dog, or cat. Your sexual orientation doesn't belong in a yearbook. Stop pushing your agenda.


How about a "straight" guy talking about his sexual activity? How about a story from the pregnant girl who had her baby? How about the story of the pregnant girl how had the abortion?

//Talk about safe sex, great. Talk about sexual orientation, unnecessary in a high school yearbook.
//Yes, I support "gay" rights and not just for happy people.
 
2014-03-19 03:43:33 PM  

rkiller1: So when you wrote "funny" you were being ironic and really meant "angry"?
Got it.
Peace...out.


See, it's times like this that demonstrate why no one even takes you seriously anymore as anything other than a right winged troll, dude.
 
2014-03-19 03:43:55 PM  

EvilEgg: hardinparamedic: Marcus Aurelius: That's quite a lesson they're teaching there.

You're the real monster, Sir.

How dare you be intolerant of the rights of those school administrators to be intolerant of others. How dare you stifle their first Amendment rights, Sir.

Yes, what about the Christians who don't want that kind of filth in their yearbook?


They're one of those "special interest groups" whose demands the superintendent will not allow to influence her decisions.

/all special interest groups are equal
//but some are more equal than others
///three
 
2014-03-19 03:45:49 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: rkiller1: TheDirtyNacho: It's funny watching bigots squirm and try to explain how they're not really bigots...

Did we read the same article?  Perhaps the superintendent is a bigot (it's not clear from the piece) but she sure wasn't squirming.  In fact, she doubled-down on her decision, according to the title.


"The superintendent of the school district has responded to calls to reinstate the story by calling censorship "consistent with the mission of our school," while the principal has said that keeping the profile out of the yearbook will prevent bullying."


Ah yes, we're censoring you for your own protection.


Well, at least they're consistent
 
2014-03-19 03:45:50 PM  

hardinparamedic: He does not have a right to express his "Second Amendment Rights" on school grounds. Not only is it threatening to other students and supportive of a "violent belief", but it's disruptive to the learning environment. So yeah, the school is well within their rights to restrict political speech like that


You're retarded.
 
2014-03-19 03:47:43 PM  

umad: You're retarded.


And you're uneducated.
 
2014-03-19 03:53:06 PM  

hardinparamedic: umad: You're retarded.

And you're uneducated.


ctrl-f "NRA": 0 results
ctrl-f "shirt": 0 results
ctrl-f "violent belief": 0 results
ctrl-f "threat": 0 results

I stand by my assertion.
 
2014-03-19 03:55:10 PM  

EvilEgg: A yearbook is no place for coming of age stories


A yearbook is nothing but a collection of coming of age stories.

Ours were filled with stories of triumphant moments, moments of tragedy, fun and excitement and merriment.

/Your yearbook must really suck.
 
2014-03-19 03:56:39 PM  

umad: ctrl-f "NRA": 0 results
ctrl-f "shirt": 0 results
ctrl-f "violent belief": 0 results
ctrl-f "threat": 0 results

I stand by my assertion.


Your assertion that, what? Reading comprehension was not something you learned as a child? That the law is a little more complex than your impassioned beliefs would have you think?

The First Amendment allows schools to limit apparel which advocate violent, illegal, or threatening material, acts, or beliefs, in the interest of school safety and preventing disruption of the learning environment.
 
2014-03-19 03:56:55 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Your coming out has nothing to do with school. I don't care if you made it with your first girl, boy, dog, or cat. Your sexual orientation doesn't belong in a yearbook. Stop pushing your agenda.


So I can assume you are also pushing to get rid of homecoming kings and queens, right?
 
2014-03-19 03:58:57 PM  

HailRobonia: ReverendJynxed: Your coming out has nothing to do with school. I don't care if you made it with your first girl, boy, dog, or cat. Your sexual orientation doesn't belong in a yearbook. Stop pushing your agenda.

Which is why yearbooks NEVER show pictures of school dances or other events where couples might be displaying affection towards each other.


Well, it is the South.

//Q: Why don't Baptists have sex standing up?
//A: Because it reminds them of dancing.
 
2014-03-19 04:01:22 PM  

someonelse: Fark_Guy_Rob: Personally - I don't think anyone's sexual preferences are appropriate for a high school year book....

So, no pics of Homecoming king and queen or prom couples, eh?


I don't have a problem with implied sexuality.  A guy and a girl dancing is fine.  Two guys dancing is fine.  A picture of four friends walking down the hall - all fine, IMHO.  I don't what to know if the four friends all enjoy blowing each other or not.

One look at the kid, and I feel like he might be gay.  That's a suspicion, or a guess.  He just looks like he might be to me.  That's fine.  But he wants to tell his story of discovering his gayness.  And that doesn't have any place in the yearbook any more than the time I learned I didn't like anal sex, or the weird kid who is into furry porn and culture went to his first party dressed in a $600 fox costume.
 
2014-03-19 04:01:40 PM  

EvilEgg: hardinparamedic: Marcus Aurelius: That's quite a lesson they're teaching there.

You're the real monster, Sir.

How dare you be intolerant of the rights of those school administrators to be intolerant of others. How dare you stifle their first Amendment rights, Sir.

Yes, what about the Christians who don't want that kind of filth in their yearbook?


What sort of filth are we talking about?  Are there lurid descriptions or pictures of homo-sex?

\yeah, I thought not
 
2014-03-19 04:02:51 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: And that doesn't have any place in the yearbook any more than the time I learned I didn't like anal sex, or the weird kid who is into furry porn and culture went to his first party dressed in a $600 fox costume.


600 dollars?

Wow. Your fursuit must be cheap. You poser.
 
2014-03-19 04:03:03 PM  

The idea of homosexuality being a legitimate expression of human sexuality is not accepted by society. The acceptance of homosexuality is a change that has not yet occurred. Again, the default condition is a rejection of homosexuality


Don't mistake circle-jerkery on a web forum for societal norms. Homosexuality is not accepted. You see, that's why there's all this talk of bigotry and intolerance and hurt feelings. Homosexuality is not accepted.


Sorry to completely overstate the point, but it's a little tiresome to hear all this agitprop about homosexuality having universal approval when it's simply not true.
 
2014-03-19 04:03:24 PM  

snarfyboy: ReverendJynxed: Your coming out has nothing to do with school. I don't care if you made it with your first girl, boy, dog, or cat. Your sexual orientation doesn't belong in a yearbook. Stop pushing your agenda.

So I can assume you are also pushing to get rid of homecoming kings and queens, right?


And all mention of any coupling, apart from lab partners (but not from bio class). And - if it's anything like most high schools I know - there is at least one married couple teaching there, better ban all mention of their sexual orientation as well. Also any note from the school about "growing up and getting straight-married" - we don't want anyone thinking they encourage sexual relationships, now, do we?

// also, better prohibit all mention of "high-profile" laws or legal decisions made over the school year, just to get out front
// an enterprising young editor might try the "Well, these things did truly happen (and with the sanction of THE US of FARKING A, or one of its hallowed courts)" gambit
 
2014-03-19 04:04:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: umad: You're retarded.

And you're uneducated.


To be fair, Bong Hits v. Jesus effectively overturned Tinker, even though they didn't explicitly say so.
 
2014-03-19 04:05:49 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: One look at the kid, and I feel like he might be gay.  That's a suspicion, or a guess.  He just looks like he might be to me.  That's fine.  But he wants to tell his story of discovering his gayness.  And that doesn't have any place in the yearbook any more than the time I learned I didn't like anal sex, or the weird kid who is into furry porn and culture went to his first party dressed in a $600 fox costume.


If someone saying "I'm gay" makes you involuntarily think about all sort of sexual acts, then maybe you're the one with a bit a sexual obsession.
 
2014-03-19 04:05:54 PM  

CynicalLA: I feel sorry for the gay kids that were unlucky enough to be born in Arkansas or any other of our theocratic states.


Eureka Springs, Ar is one of the most LBGT friendly places I have ever been.
 
2014-03-19 04:06:02 PM  
Does the attention-whore, or the precious-snowflake meme apply to GLBT?

Between the yearbook and the St.Patrick's parades I'm going to have to lean toward YES.
 
2014-03-19 04:07:24 PM  

letrole: The idea of homosexuality being a legitimate expression of human sexuality is not accepted by society. The acceptance of homosexuality is a change that has not yet occurred. Again, the default condition is a rejection of homosexuality
Don't mistake circle-jerkery on a web forum for societal norms. Homosexuality is not accepted. You see, that's why there's all this talk of bigotry and intolerance and hurt feelings. Homosexuality is not accepted.
Sorry to completely overstate the point, but it's a little tiresome to hear all this agitprop about homosexuality having universal approval when it's simply not true.


Or you could, I don't know, read a national poll every now and then that shows acceptance of homosexuality (and gay marriage) is now the majority opinion

content.gallup.com

graphics8.nytimes.com

So those who oppose homosexuality (and gay marriage) are now in the minority.
 
2014-03-19 04:07:39 PM  
In case anyone feels like leaving them a mature, thoughtful note, here's the school's contact us form.
 
2014-03-19 04:07:58 PM  

hej: I don't know why this is so hard to understand.  If you want to be gay, don't live in Arkansas.


Land of the free, home of the brave.

/but go be free & gay somewhere else
 
2014-03-19 04:08:13 PM  
Double secreted down?
barfblog.com
 
2014-03-19 04:12:37 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Tell you what, when they let me amend my yearbook to read "Pussy Hound" then you can have your NAMBLA endorsement.


There's a pesky "truth in yearbooks" clause, so we're going to need yours amended to "Hairiest Palms"...
 
2014-03-19 04:14:10 PM  

OnlyM3: Are they also including "I farked the prom queen stories"? No? probably because who you fark has not a g.d. thing to do w/ school.


And yet there in the year book, is a picture of the prom queen dancing with her boyfriend, shoving their heterosexuality down everyone's throats.
 
2014-03-19 04:15:27 PM  

cptjeff: hardinparamedic: umad: You're retarded.

And you're uneducated.

To be fair, Bong Hits v. Jesus effectively overturned Tinker, even though they didn't explicitly say so.


True, but even the Bong Hits V. Jesus ruling said that if the shirt advocates violent or illegal activity, the school is under no obligation on the First Amendment to allow it.
 
2014-03-19 04:15:59 PM  
img.fark.net

I'll take the case!
 
2014-03-19 04:17:39 PM  
 
2014-03-19 04:17:55 PM  

OnlyM3: Are they also including "I farked the prom queen stories"? No? probably because who you fark has not a g.d. thing to do w/ school.


Dude, it's been done already, and better, upthread.

We know what you are, no need to keep repeating yourself.
 
2014-03-19 04:19:06 PM  

letrole: The idea of homosexuality being a legitimate expression of human sexuality is not accepted by society. The acceptance of homosexuality is a change that has not yet occurred. Again, the default condition is a rejection of homosexuality
Don't mistake circle-jerkery on a web forum for societal norms. Homosexuality is not accepted. You see, that's why there's all this talk of bigotry and intolerance and hurt feelings. Homosexuality is not accepted.
Sorry to completely overstate the point, but it's a little tiresome to hear all this agitprop about homosexuality having universal approval when it's simply not true.


I miss the "learned behaviour" and "groping and pulling" language you used to troll this topic with.
 
2014-03-19 04:21:09 PM  

snarfyboy: Fark_Guy_Rob: One look at the kid, and I feel like he might be gay.  That's a suspicion, or a guess.  He just looks like he might be to me.  That's fine.  But he wants to tell his story of discovering his gayness.  And that doesn't have any place in the yearbook any more than the time I learned I didn't like anal sex, or the weird kid who is into furry porn and culture went to his first party dressed in a $600 fox costume.

If someone saying "I'm gay" makes you involuntarily think about all sort of sexual acts, then maybe you're the one with a bit a sexual obsession.


I'm sure that's meant to be a dig, but whatever.  I'm a big fan of sex.  I think it's great.  I think porn is great.  I think straights, lesbians, gays and everything in between are totally great.

But I don't think it should be in a yearbook targeted at 13-18 year-olds.  At least where I grew up, yearbooks weren't just for seniors, they were for everyone.  Although, I guess by the end of the year, the freshman would all be 14 or older.  I think a lot of them would be 15.  Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.  I totally support gay marriage.  I totally support gays.

But I don't support sharing your coming out story in a yearbook.  Put it on your blog, talk about it to your friends, whatever.

I can even acknowledge the difference between a preference and an orientation, to an extent.  And I get that high school kids are sexual people, and not children, and that things like LBGT clubs and organizations exist in a lot of schools....but I really don't see it as appropriate for schools.  I would be equally against 'straight clubs', but whatever.  I'm probably just old and close-minded.

// Unless it is a private school.  Then you do whatever you want.
 
2014-03-19 04:22:36 PM  
scottydoesntknow:

So those who oppose homosexuality (and gay marriage) are now in the minority.

Just FYI, this is FARK, and you're talking to a lot of libertarians.  Being in a "majority" or "minority" means bugger all to us.
 
2014-03-19 04:28:21 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.


Why does "family appropriate" always mean religiously/socially conservative, as though gay people don't also belong to families? Do you see some kind of difference between a gay kid mentioning their boyfriend/girlfriend and a straight kid doing the same? In either case, orientation is implicitly stated.

It shouldn't be a big deal for people without religious or sexual hangups, and even then, they can suck on the First Amendment.
 
2014-03-19 04:31:21 PM  
Has the purpose of yearbooks changed since I was a kid?  I got my picture and name in my yearbook.  You wanted to write something, you signed your friend's yearbooks and conveyed some shared experience.
 
2014-03-19 04:35:11 PM  

hardinparamedic: umad: ctrl-f "NRA": 0 results
ctrl-f "shirt": 0 results
ctrl-f "violent belief": 0 results
ctrl-f "threat": 0 results

I stand by my assertion.

Your assertion that, what? Reading comprehension was not something you learned as a child? That the law is a little more complex than your impassioned beliefs would have you think?

The First Amendment allows schools to limit apparel which advocate violent, illegal, or threatening material, acts, or beliefs, in the interest of school safety and preventing disruption of the learning environment.


Whoopty farking doo. A t-shirt with "NRA" written on it still isn't advocating violent, illegal, or threatening material, acts, or beliefs any more than a t-shirt with "ACLU" written on it is advocating hate speech.
 
2014-03-19 04:36:38 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.

Why does "family appropriate" always mean religiously/socially conservative, as though gay people don't also belong to families? Do you see some kind of difference between a gay kid mentioning their boyfriend/girlfriend and a straight kid doing the same? In either case, orientation is implicitly stated.

It shouldn't be a big deal for people without religious or sexual hangups, and even then, they can suck on the First Amendment.


What makes stories like this kid's inspiring, and why these stories  should be in yearbooks, is precisely because being gay - and not being ashamed of simply being oneself despite being gay - is so difficult for a kid to come to terms with. So many kids are driven into denial, unhappiness or even suicide because of people claiming that their basic nature is some kind of abomination or evil. If the fundie farkwits would stop demonizing gay people, there wouldn't be as much adversity to overcome in the first place. I hate to think what the fundies are doing to their own children who happen to be gay. Those are probably the most likely to go the suicide route. Hardly "family friendly," is it?

Yeah, and I'm also sick of the word "family" being used as a fig leaf for uninformed bullying and assholery. All people have families, including (*gasp*) gay people!! I'd be a lot more concerned if my son were like Ralph Reed et al. than if he were gay.
 
2014-03-19 04:37:44 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: But I don't support sharing your coming out story in a yearbook.


Do you support pictures of people with their boyfriends/girlfriends?  Do you support yearbook contests that include things like "Cutest Couple"?  Homecoming Queen & King?  All of these asserts the student's sexuality.

Saying that being gay is somehow more sexual than any of that is simply untrue.  Being gay is a definition of a persons identify, not a sexual act.  You can be gay your whole life and never have sex.
 
2014-03-19 04:41:35 PM  
Superintendent Brenda Haynes defended the decision to censor Ellis' story as leading the school in the "proper direction."
"We must make decisions that lead in the proper direction for all of our students and for our community," Haynes said in a Tuesday statement. "We must not make decisions based on demands by any special interest group



DING DING DING!
She just let her true colors show with that statement. One of those people who thinks "There is a gay agenda and we must protect the community from it!"
 
2014-03-19 04:44:18 PM  

umad: Whoopty farking doo. A t-shirt with "NRA" written on it still isn't advocating violent, illegal, or threatening material, acts, or beliefs any more than a t-shirt with "ACLU" written on it is advocating hate speech.


You're entitled to your opinion. Just like the School District is entitled to theirs. They choose not to have any firearms-related material or advocacy on campus. The courts are good with that.
 
2014-03-19 04:45:02 PM  
Sick of hearing about gays. Get a life gays.
 
2014-03-19 04:45:06 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.

Why does "family appropriate" always mean religiously/socially conservative, as though gay people don't also belong to families? Do you see some kind of difference between a gay kid mentioning their boyfriend/girlfriend and a straight kid doing the same? In either case, orientation is implicitly stated.

It shouldn't be a big deal for people without religious or sexual hangups, and even then, they can suck on the First Amendment.


I don't think straight kids should be able to post stories about discovering their sexual identity either.

Granted, I haven't read the story that got banned, so I'm only speculating.  But I don't see the need for anyone sexual coming of age tale to be told in the yearbook.  It doesn't seem appropriate to me.  I get that he is proud of who he is, cool.  So am I.  I wouldn't expect a tale of my telling everyone I was dating the fat chick to make the yearbook either, even though I mgiht be proud of it and I might feel there is nothing wrong with dating fat chicks and I might have been worried about telling people.  Whatever.  It's Arkansas, so maybe it should be a tale about dating my first cousin.  (I'm actually pro-incest, but that's nothing troll for another time).  The thing is, none of it has anything to do with school and sexual activities and preferences aren't appropriate.
 
2014-03-19 04:45:38 PM  

menschenfresser: Yeah, and I'm also sick of the word "family" being used as a fig leaf for uninformed bullying and assholery. All people have families, including (*gasp*) gay people!! I'd be a lot more concerned if my son were like Ralph Reed et al. than if he were gay.


I wonder if little Suzy's story about her awesome moms is family appropriate?
 
2014-03-19 04:47:50 PM  

HailRobonia: ReverendJynxed: Your coming out has nothing to do with school. I don't care if you made it with your first girl, boy, dog, or cat. Your sexual orientation doesn't belong in a yearbook. Stop pushing your agenda.

Which is why yearbooks NEVER show pictures of school dances or other events where couples might be displaying affection towards each other.


Our schools had teachers around to make sure that closeness didn't happen. It wasn't appropriate for the venue.
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-19 04:48:19 PM  

OnlyM3: Are they also including "I farked the prom queen stories"? No? probably because who you fark has not a g.d. thing to do w/ school.


False equivalence is false, and awkwardly revealing.
 
2014-03-19 04:52:53 PM  

kroonermanblack: They wouldn't let a straight male write 'banging biatches is awesome' or anything of a similar bent, would they?


False equivalency.

It's more like allowing the first black athlete in the school write something inspirational about what it was like being the first black athlete from the state of Alabama that was allowed to play football with the white kids.

/Of course in many places down south they still don't let blacks dance at the same homecoming and prom that white kids go to.
 
2014-03-19 04:59:55 PM  
No, the equivalence is valid.

Not sure having a yearbook where kids talk about who they want to have sex with is such a good idea.

btw, when did yearbooks start having personal stories anyway?  I don't remember any student writing about anything in the printed yearbook.
 
2014-03-19 05:02:37 PM  

snarfyboy: Fark_Guy_Rob: But I don't support sharing your coming out story in a yearbook.

Do you support pictures of people with their boyfriends/girlfriends?  Do you support yearbook contests that include things like "Cutest Couple"?  Homecoming Queen & King?  All of these asserts the student's sexuality.

Saying that being gay is somehow more sexual than any of that is simply untrue.  Being gay is a definition of a persons identify, not a sexual act.  You can be gay your whole life and never have sex.


I would actually disagree with pretty much every point you've made.

You cannot tell from a picture if someone is boyfriend and girlfriend.  You also cannot tell their sexual orientation.  Two happy people posing for a picture?  I support that being in the yearbook.  Regardless of gender, that's fine.  Nobody knows if they are gay or straight or bi or attracted to house plants.  If they are actively engaged in a sexual activity - making out - grabbing naughty parts etc -..... then it should not be in the yearbook.  Again, I don't care if it is a dude and a chick or 2 chicks or 2 dudes.  No problem there.

Cutest Couple - I'd say I'm against it in principle but probably wouldn't protest over it or anything.  A 'couple' can just be 'two people' or a pair of people.  It doesn't have to be a sexual couple....after all, there are asexual people and some of them enter relationships (let's not be close minded!).  Still, if it's just a picture of two people with the caption 'Cutest Couple' not doing anything sexual - I'm okay with it.  I spent a lot of time with my college roommate, we were like brothers.  We were a 'couple' in a sense - but not a romantic/sexual one.

Homecoming King/Queen - Ironically, believe it or not, the token gay kid at my school was our homecoming king.  So again, that doesn't actually say anything about sexuality.  Historically, I don't know of any countries ruled by a same sex couple and I get that real Kings and Queens would typically have sex, implying that they were probably straight (but in truth, I'm sure some where gay, but still).  The thing is, lots of stuff is separated by gender.  We had different locker rooms for boys and girls.  We had different sports teams.  We had different fitness standards in gym class.  I'm mostly okay with the king/queen deal, because again, they don't ahve to be straight.  At least in my school - it was just a popularity contest.  My senior prom had a gay king, but nobody would know his sexual orientation from the completely PG photos of him standing next to a girl.  I'd even be okay removing genders and just electing two people, of any sex, to be the Homecoming Couple.  The thing is, it's just two elected people.  They aren't swearing an oath that they are going to sleep with each other.

In all of those cases, I don't know ANYTHING about someone's sexual preferences.  I don't know if happy people in a photo are gay or straight or bi.

But if a kid writes, 'This is my story of how I learned _________ about my sexuality' - well, now I do know.  And I might really be interested.  I like to read.  Cool.  But it shouldn't be in a yearbook.

Happy couple smiling at camera - totally okay.
People proclaiming their sexual preferences - totally not okay.

Saying 'I'm gay' is totally different than taking a photo next to a dude.
 
2014-03-19 05:05:06 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Does the attention-whore, or the precious-snowflake meme apply to GLBT?

Between the yearbook and the St.Patrick's parades I'm going to have to lean toward YES.


Yep, wanting to be treated equally equals being an attention whore. Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to march in the st Patricks day parade either.
 
2014-03-19 05:06:40 PM  

WanPhat: No, the equivalence is valid.

Not sure having a yearbook where kids talk about who they want to have sex with is such a good idea.

btw, when did yearbooks start having personal stories anyway?  I don't remember any student writing about anything in the printed yearbook.


Seriously? I went to high school when Reagan was president, and we had written articles in the yearbook. I wrote some of them. I imagine yearbooks have evolved somewhat by now, just as my class's yearbooks were not the same as my parents' yearbooks or my grandparents' yearbooks. They wore onions on their belts, as was the fashion at the time.
 
2014-03-19 05:07:00 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Astorix: Just like with rural Indiana the best thing you can do is leave Arkansas. Leave. Let it suffer a brain drain just like the rural parts of Indiana. Leave it to dry up and blow in the wind. Move to friendlier states with more accepting laws. Move to the East Coast, West Coast, Canada. Just leave.

You will be so much happier for it.

/I sure am. Left Indiana 18 years ago and the only thing I regret was not leaving there 10 years earlier.

Ha.  My roommate is from rural Indiana.  There's been a few times something stupid about Indiana has come up in conversation.  Right afterward someone trying to be considerate looks at him and says "oh, it's not THAT bad..." he promptly tells them "yes, it is, f--k that place, the best thing I ever did was leave".

Michigan: we're still better than Indiana.


that reminds me of a joke: why does Indianapolis have so many people? They're Kentuckians whose cars broke down on the way to Detroit.
 
2014-03-19 05:07:53 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Does the attention-whore, or the precious-snowflake meme apply to GLBT?

Between the yearbook and the St.Patrick's parades I'm going to have to lean toward YES.


Freaking Irish potato munching papists like yourself. You wops are always comin' over here takin' American jobs from us hard working white folk.
 
2014-03-19 05:10:18 PM  
letrole: The idea of homosexuality being a legitimate expression of human sexuality is not accepted by society.

scottydoesntknow Or you could, I don't know, read a national poll every now and then that shows acceptance of homosexuality (and gay marriage) is now the majority opinion.

How many people support the criminalisation of Frozen Tofu? But how many people avoid eating tofu at all because it's nasty shiat?

Perhaps you need to focus that ascerbic wit, underlined above, into understanding the concept of false equivalence.

Perhaps you need to worry less about meaningless opinion polls and the vicarious sense of community offered by circle-jerk threads, and more about what happens in real life.
 
2014-03-19 05:11:30 PM  

WanPhat: No, the equivalence is valid.

Not sure having a yearbook where kids talk about who they want to have sex with is such a good idea.


You can be gay your entire life without every having sex

What fuking part of that statement can't you morons get?

Stating you're gay isn't sexually explicit.
 
2014-03-19 05:11:53 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: You cannot tell from a picture if someone is boyfriend and girlfriend.


You can if it's kissing, or a prom picture or them dancing together... all of which happen in school time or activities.

Fark_Guy_Rob: Cutest Couple - I'd say I'm against it in principle but probably wouldn't protest over it or anything.  A 'couple' can just be 'two people' or a pair of people.  It doesn't have to be a sexual couple....after all, there are asexual people and some of them enter relationships (let's not be close minded!).  Still, if it's just a picture of two people with the caption 'Cutest Couple' not doing anything sexual - I'm okay with it.  I spent a lot of time with my college roommate, we were like brothers.  We were a 'couple' in a sense - but not a romantic/sexual one.


Cutest couple is about a dating couple.  Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Fark_Guy_Rob: Saying 'I'm gay' is totally different than taking a photo next to a dude.


True, saying coming is an incredibly hard thing to say in school and how your classmates react to it is very telling.  It's a story about predjudice and/or accemptance and involves lessons about how people treat each other and how they will be in the future.  A picture of two dudes is just boring and meaningless.

But to you it's about sex. Shame that.
 
2014-03-19 05:12:17 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.

Why does "family appropriate" always mean religiously/socially conservative, as though gay people don't also belong to families? Do you see some kind of difference between a gay kid mentioning their boyfriend/girlfriend and a straight kid doing the same? In either case, orientation is implicitly stated.

It shouldn't be a big deal for people without religious or sexual hangups, and even then, they can suck on the First Amendment.

I don't think straight kids should be able to post stories about discovering their sexual identity either.

Granted, I haven't read the story that got banned, so I'm only speculating.  But I don't see the need for anyone sexual coming of age tale to be told in the yearbook.  It doesn't seem appropriate to me.  I get that he is proud of who he is, cool.  So am I.  I wouldn't expect a tale of my telling everyone I was dating the fat chick to make the yearbook either, even though I mgiht be proud of it and I might feel there is nothing wrong with dating fat chicks and I might have been worried about telling people.  Whatever.  It's Arkansas, so maybe it should be a tale about dating my first cousin.  (I'm actually pro-incest, but that's nothing troll for another time).  The thing is, none of it has anything to do with school and sexual activities and preferences aren't appropriate.


Sexual activity- not approprate or relevant.

Sexual preference- entirely appropriate and in context very relevant to the apparently accepting nature of kids at the school.

It's not about sexuality per se, it's about acceptance. The kid's story was that he felt comfortable stating openly that he was gay, because the other kids were accepting  of that. It would be the same story if he "came out" as any non-mainstream religion and was likewise accepted. It's ridiculous that some people feel threatened by that enough to censor it.
 
2014-03-19 05:13:09 PM  

simkatu: kroonermanblack: They wouldn't let a straight male write 'banging biatches is awesome' or anything of a similar bent, would they?

False equivalency.

It's more like allowing the first black athlete in the school write something inspirational about what it was like being the first black athlete from the state of Alabama that was allowed to play football with the white kids.

/Of course in many places down south they still don't let blacks dance at the same homecoming and prom that white kids go to.


I can imagine a society where people are as open about sex as they are about sports.  But we don't live in it.  I'd probably be cool with such a place, but a high school year book isn't the place to fight that battle.

Race is entirely different than sex.
Sports are entirely different than sex.
Hobbies are entirely different than sex.

Sex, in our society, isn't just taboo for minors - it's often illegal.  Maybe it should be different, I'm not arguing that our way is the best way....but given our society, I agree with the school, 100%.  A black kid playing a sport is totally relevant to the school.  Sports are a big part of high school.  Sports are age appropriate for everyone attending the school that would read the yearbook.

A story about a German immigrant who moved to the school and had to learn English and the culture - totally good for a yearbook story.  Not everyone is German, not everyone has to learn English, and it's related to school, because culture and English are a big part of school.  Good times.

A story about a kid who entered the science fair and made it to state - that's a great story.
Even a story about a kid's parents getting divorced - I wouldn't want to read it, but sure, no complaints.
A story about being sad cause school was so awesome - sure whatever.

Any story about what I like to do with my penis....not appropriate for a yearbook.
 
2014-03-19 05:13:41 PM  

impaler: What fuking part of that statement can't you morons get?


People like that have to fetishize homosexuality. It's the only way they can comprehend or deal with it.
 
2014-03-19 05:14:01 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: sexual coming of age tale


I know you keep pretending this is a some story about him getting an erection in the men's locker room while another boy covertly smiles at him, but I'm guessing that's just wishful thinking on your part.

/A story talking about how glad he was that his classmates were accepting of him when he came out is not quite like a "sexual coming of age tale".
 
2014-03-19 05:15:19 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: You cannot tell from a picture if someone is boyfriend and girlfriend.


And this being a yearbook, everyone in it is strangers to everyone reading it, right?

Jesus. Can you be more obtuse?
 
2014-03-19 05:15:29 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Race is entirely different than sex.
Sports are entirely different than sex.
Hobbies are entirely different than sex.


Race and sexual preference are both inborn traits that are unchangeable by psychiatric, religious, or medical treatments.

Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex, in our society, isn't just taboo for minors - it's often illegal.  Maybe it should be different, I'm not arguing that our way is the best way....but given our society, I agree with the school, 100%


Because you're an idiot. No one is advocating them going out and having sex. Sexual orientation also determines emotional attachment, not just physical.

Fark_Guy_Rob: Any story about what I like to do with my penis....not appropriate for a yearbook.


That explains so much.
 
2014-03-19 05:18:47 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: But if a kid writes, 'This is my story of how I learned _________ about my sexuality' - well, now I do know. And I might really be interested. I like to read. Cool. But it shouldn't be in a yearbook.


Why the hell shouldn't it be? The yearbook is about student life. That includes the diversity of students that go to the school. You're claim about straights not proclaiming their sexuality is horsehit and you know it. The default assumption in our society is that somebody is straight. The cutest couple and prom king and queen are assumed to be straight, unless otherwise stated. What you're essentially saying here is that it's fine for the kid to be gay, just as long as you know, he doesn't announce it in public. Keeps it in the closet so to say.

Everything mentioned in the article says it was not a story about his "coming of age" sexually. It was about the reaction to him coming out by the students in the school. Considering how maligned gay students have historically been, it's exactly the type of article that a yearbook should have. I doubt you'd be rallying against an article about the student's reaction to a foreign student and his culture, or a disabled student and the trials they have at school. Always seems to be when it's those gay kids that suddenly everyone is all about how schools should only talk about strictly academic topics.
 
2014-03-19 05:19:18 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Regardless, yearbooks should be family appropriate and discussions about are generally not considered family appropriate.

Why does "family appropriate" always mean religiously/socially conservative, as though gay people don't also belong to families? Do you see some kind of difference between a gay kid mentioning their boyfriend/girlfriend and a straight kid doing the same? In either case, orientation is implicitly stated.

It shouldn't be a big deal for people without religious or sexual hangups, and even then, they can suck on the First Amendment.

I don't think straight kids should be able to post stories about discovering their sexual identity either.

Granted, I haven't read the story that got banned, so I'm only speculating.  But I don't see the need for anyone sexual coming of age tale to be told in the yearbook.  It doesn't seem appropriate to me.  I get that he is proud of who he is, cool.  So am I.  I wouldn't expect a tale of my telling everyone I was dating the fat chick to make the yearbook either, even though I mgiht be proud of it and I might feel there is nothing wrong with dating fat chicks and I might have been worried about telling people.  Whatever.  It's Arkansas, so maybe it should be a tale about dating my first cousin.  (I'm actually pro-incest, but that's nothing troll for another time).  The thing is, none of it has anything to do with school and sexual activities and preferences aren't appropriate.

Sexual activity- not approprate or relevant.

Sexual preference- entirely appropriate and in context very relevant to the apparently accepting nature of kids at the school.

It's not about sexuality per se, it's about acceptance. The kid's story was that he felt comfortable stating openly that he was gay, because the other kids were accepting  of that. It would be the same story if he "came out" as any non-mainstream religion and was likewise accepted. It's ridiculous that some people feel threatened by ...


Sex is taboo in our society.  For a lot of students in high school, it's illegal.  Sending nude pics to your classmate is distribution of child porn.

Religion is not.

There are all sorts of sexual preferences.  Go to any porn site and look at the 'categories' section.  Nobody in the yearbook should know or care which of those categories I particularly like to pick.  And, with any of them, if you want, you can find an entire culture and lifestyle around it.  And society can be unaccepting of your.....interracial cuckold lifestyle....(as an example).  But the tale of how you came to grips with that, and how told the story to your friends and how supporting they were.....not appropriate for a yearbook in our society, in it's current form, IMHO.  I'd certainly side with the school district.

I'd also expect them to do the same thing if kids were talking about drug use.  And i'm a HUGE FAN of drugs.  Heck, I'm also a big fan of guns, and schools all over the country have banned them and disbarred gun/hunting clubs.

// I am NOT implying being gay/straight/bi is the same as guns or drugs.  I'm only saying there is a long established precedent of schools banning taboo things.  Sex is taboo.  So even though I support being gay, I don't support it in yearbooks.
 
2014-03-19 05:20:05 PM  

hardinparamedic: Race and sexual preference are both inborn traits that are unchangeable by psychiatric, religious, or medical treatments.


Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour. The instinct for sex involves thrusting and groping and kissing and so forth. If you get horny at the sight of a naked man, or if you get horny at the sight of a naked woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.

Bushmen don't have any more interest in female breasts than they do in elbows. The Western fascination with breasts is not instinctive. Certain deviants find stinky feet to be objects of desire. There is very little 'hard-wiring' involved in sexual attraction. You grope and fondle and kiss with whatever you've been taught to be appropriate.

 
2014-03-19 05:20:53 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Race is entirely different than sex.
Sports are entirely different than sex.
Hobbies are entirely different than sex.


Sexual gender preference is entirely different than sex.

One is an in born trait, the other is a physical action.

The kid was talking about the trait, not the action.

What part of that are you too stupid to understand?
 
2014-03-19 05:22:16 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: You cannot tell from a picture if someone is boyfriend and girlfriend. You also cannot tell their sexual orientation. Two happy people posing for a picture? I support that being in the yearbook. Regardless of gender, that's fine. Nobody knows if they are gay or straight or bi or attracted to house plants. If they are actively engaged in a sexual activity - making out - grabbing naughty parts etc -..... then it should not be in the yearbook. Again, I don't care if it is a dude and a chick or 2 chicks or 2 dudes. No problem there.


I'm going to a rather fancy wedding this weekend. I will be accompanied by a girl. If the photographer takes a picture of us dancing together at the reception, will your first thought upon looking at that photograph be "oh, those two must just be platonic friends with each other" or "oh, those two must be dating and attracted to each other"? Unless you are truly out of the norm, it will be the latter. Presumptions of heterosexuality are rampant.
 
2014-03-19 05:23:45 PM  
Apparently school yearbooks have changed a lot.  We didn't write "our story" in the yearbook when I was young.  I can't even envision how this would work.  I don't have any idea of what kind of "story" most people tell to compare his "I'm coming out as gay" story to it.
 
2014-03-19 05:24:07 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fark_Guy_Rob: Race is entirely different than sex.
Sports are entirely different than sex.
Hobbies are entirely different than sex.

Race and sexual preference are both inborn traits that are unchangeable by psychiatric, religious, or medical treatments.


I believe Michael Jackson proved that this is not actually true.
 
2014-03-19 05:24:42 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: There are all sorts of sexual preferences.  Go to any porn site and look at the 'categories' section


You really do have shiat for brains.

Sexual gender preference isn't the same thing as preference for particular sexual acts.
 
2014-03-19 05:25:10 PM  
"Coming Out" is so stupid.

Do other people announce "I cannot lie any more. I love P**sy!" Or, "I can't hold back anymore, I love Taco Bell?"

No. So, shut up. We don't care ..
 
2014-03-19 05:25:29 PM  

letrole: hardinparamedic: Race and sexual preference are both inborn traits that are unchangeable by psychiatric, religious, or medical treatments.

Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour. The instinct for sex involves thrusting and groping and kissing and so forth. If you get horny at the sight of a naked man, or if you get horny at the sight of a naked woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.

Bushmen don't have any more interest in female breasts than they do in elbows. The Western fascination with breasts is not instinctive. Certain deviants find stinky feet to be objects of desire. There is very little 'hard-wiring' involved in sexual attraction. You grope and fondle and kiss with whatever you've been taught to be appropriate.


I've graduated from high school and two different colleges. None of them offered Homosexuality 101. Am I just going to the wrong schools?
 
2014-03-19 05:25:58 PM  
Too bad they don't have some kind of book that informs their morality.  Too bad, all they got stuck with is the Bible.
 
2014-03-19 05:26:04 PM  

letrole: Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour. The instinct for sex involves thrusting and groping and kissing and so forth. If you get horny at the sight of a naked man, or if you get horny at the sight of a naked woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.


Bullshiat.
 
2014-03-19 05:26:50 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo in our society.


It's not about sex. If you can't grasp that much, there's not much point continuing this debate. Also....no. False. It's taboo among social conservatives, not that that's relevant because it's NOT ABOUT SEX.

/have a nice day
 
2014-03-19 05:27:05 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: It's okay to be gay, I just don't want to see any of your disgusting lifestyle choice. Stop liking things I say I don't like!


See, if you had just said that, it would have saved you a lot of time in this thread.
 
2014-03-19 05:27:18 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo. So even though I support being gay, I don't support it in yearbooks.


So, are you not OK with the standard photos of high school sweethearts and captions with quotes about how much they love each other, etc.? Or the jokes that all HS yearbooks have about well-known couples making out in study hall, etc.? The little paragraphs under the seniors' portraits where they talk about how the plan to marry their longtime boyfriend or girlfriend? They out, too?
 
2014-03-19 05:28:08 PM  

impaler: WanPhat: No, the equivalence is valid.

Not sure having a yearbook where kids talk about who they want to have sex with is such a good idea.

You can be gay your entire life without every having sex

What fuking part of that statement can't you morons get?


So wanting to have sex is the same as having sex and being hetero- or homosexual is not about who you want to have sex with?  Didn't know that.  I guess I am a moron.
 
2014-03-19 05:28:27 PM  

someonelse: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo. So even though I support being gay, I don't support it in yearbooks.

So, are you not OK with the standard photos of high school sweethearts and captions with quotes about how much they love each other, etc.? Or the jokes that all HS yearbooks have about well-known couples making out in study hall, etc.? The little paragraphs under the seniors' portraits where they talk about how the plan to marry their longtime boyfriend or girlfriend? They out, too?


No because, from what I've gathered, heterosexual love is about emotional connections so family friendly, homosexuality is all about the penis.
 
2014-03-19 05:28:52 PM  
So nobody here knows exactly what was asked to be left out.

Where in the story did it say they banned the picture of this gay young man and his prom date - it doesn't.

How can Arkansas be such a backward piece of intolerance that you were so glad to leave if the story indicates the majority of students support this gay young man - were these students bussed in from another, more accepting area?
 
2014-03-19 05:29:29 PM  

Serious Black: I've graduated from high school and two different colleges. None of them offered Homosexuality 101. Am I just going to the wrong schools?


impaler: Bullshiat.


People still don't have The Surname on ignore?
 
2014-03-19 05:30:29 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: How can Arkansas be such a backward piece of intolerance that you were so glad to leave if the story indicates the majority of students support this gay young man - were these students bussed in from another, more accepting area?


Probably because while those 35 and under in the United States tend to be supportive or even openly endorse the rights of LGBT individuals in the United States, those above 35 as a rule tend to be against it.
 
2014-03-19 05:31:55 PM  

hardinparamedic: Serious Black: I've graduated from high school and two different colleges. None of them offered Homosexuality 101. Am I just going to the wrong schools?

impaler: Bullshiat.

People still don't have The Surname on ignore?


I have nobody on my ignore list. I have several hundred people colored in orange, but I do not ignore them. The only person I've blocked on my Facebook account is someone who literally stole about $3,000 in cash and other tangible goods from me.
 
2014-03-19 05:33:46 PM  

JuggleGeek: Apparently school yearbooks have changed a lot.  We didn't write "our story" in the yearbook when I was young.  I can't even envision how this would work.  I don't have any idea of what kind of "story" most people tell to compare his "I'm coming out as gay" story to it.


This really isn't hard to fathom if your brain didn't calcify during the Eisenhower era. Students write a little something about themselves and their HS experience. It's not that hard to wrap your head around. These aren't toddlers we're talking about, they're young adults. Just a stone's throw from being able to serve in the military. A "coming out as gay" essay is nothing shocking. Not to this generation.
 
2014-03-19 05:34:03 PM  
Homosexuality is the Voldemort of Arkansas..?
 
2014-03-19 05:34:22 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Your coming out has nothing to do with school. I don't care if you made it with your first girl, boy, dog, or cat. Your sexual orientation doesn't belong in a yearbook. Stop pushing your agenda.


Not like it's a major part of his life that will define ridiculous amounts of his interactions with other people or anything.
 
2014-03-19 05:34:31 PM  
Agent Nick Fury:

How can Arkansas be such a backward piece of intolerance that you were so glad to leave if the story indicates the majority of students support this gay young man - were these students bussed in from another, more accepting area?

Must be, because everyone in a state is exactly the same.  People should not be judged by their sexuality, they should be judged by what state they live in.
 
2014-03-19 05:36:27 PM  

hardinparamedic: Agent Nick Fury: How can Arkansas be such a backward piece of intolerance that you were so glad to leave if the story indicates the majority of students support this gay young man - were these students bussed in from another, more accepting area?

Probably because while those 35 and under in the United States tend to be supportive or even openly endorse the rights of LGBT individuals in the United States, those above 35 as a rule tend to be against it.


But how, in these Bible reading only teabagger schools in Arkansas and rural Indiana, are students, who have parents who are Bible toting teabaggers, ever exposed to the gay community?
 
2014-03-19 05:38:04 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: hardinparamedic: Agent Nick Fury: How can Arkansas be such a backward piece of intolerance that you were so glad to leave if the story indicates the majority of students support this gay young man - were these students bussed in from another, more accepting area?

Probably because while those 35 and under in the United States tend to be supportive or even openly endorse the rights of LGBT individuals in the United States, those above 35 as a rule tend to be against it.

But how, in these Bible reading only teabagger schools in Arkansas and rural Indiana, are students, who have parents who are Bible toting teabaggers, ever exposed to the gay community?


You're asking that question on the internet, genius. I hereby demand your resignation from S.H.I.E.L.D., as you're clearly not clever enough for the job.
 
2014-03-19 05:38:16 PM  

someonelse: JuggleGeek: Apparently school yearbooks have changed a lot.  We didn't write "our story" in the yearbook when I was young.  I can't even envision how this would work.  I don't have any idea of what kind of "story" most people tell to compare his "I'm coming out as gay" story to it.

This really isn't hard to fathom if your brain didn't calcify during the Eisenhower era. Students write a little something about themselves and their HS experience. It's not that hard to wrap your head around. These aren't toddlers we're talking about, they're young adults. Just a stone's throw from being able to serve in the military. A "coming out as gay" essay is nothing shocking. Not to this generation.


Yearbooks I've read:  My wife and I graduated in the 80s, our nieces and nephews in the 90s, and our kids in the 00s and 10s.  Big and small schools, five different states.  None had students write anything about their high school experience.  Maybe these were all the exception, but I'd never seen the personal essay thing.
 
2014-03-19 05:38:38 PM  

someonelse: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo. So even though I support being gay, I don't support it in yearbooks.

So, are you not OK with the standard photos of high school sweethearts and captions with quotes about how much they love each other, etc.? Or the jokes that all HS yearbooks have about well-known couples making out in study hall, etc.? The little paragraphs under the seniors' portraits where they talk about how the plan to marry their longtime boyfriend or girlfriend? They out, too?


What kind of farking school did you go to, Cletus?
 
2014-03-19 05:40:09 PM  
Agent Nick Fury:

But how, in these Bible reading only teabagger schools in Arkansas and rural Indiana, are students, who have parents who are Bible toting teabaggers, ever exposed to the gay community?

Sure glad you don't stereotype or judge people like those intolerant people.
 
2014-03-19 05:40:24 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Agent Nick Fury: hardinparamedic: Agent Nick Fury: How can Arkansas be such a backward piece of intolerance that you were so glad to leave if the story indicates the majority of students support this gay young man - were these students bussed in from another, more accepting area?

Probably because while those 35 and under in the United States tend to be supportive or even openly endorse the rights of LGBT individuals in the United States, those above 35 as a rule tend to be against it.

But how, in these Bible reading only teabagger schools in Arkansas and rural Indiana, are students, who have parents who are Bible toting teabaggers, ever exposed to the gay community?

You're asking that question on the internet, genius. I hereby demand your resignation from S.H.I.E.L.D., as you're clearly not clever enough for the job.


So these young people, all pro-life, second amendment, Bible readers suddenly change their entire world views because they read stories about gay people on the internet?

Okay.
 
2014-03-19 05:41:45 PM  

WanPhat: Agent Nick Fury:

But how, in these Bible reading only teabagger schools in Arkansas and rural Indiana, are students, who have parents who are Bible toting teabaggers, ever exposed to the gay community?

Sure glad you don't stereotype or judge people like those intolerant people.


You know if the FarkLiberals are the Avengers, you're the Wasp.

Go pester someone else.
 
2014-03-19 05:42:24 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: "Coming Out" is so stupid.

Do other people announce "I cannot lie any more. I love P**sy!"


What amazes me most is that, after all this time, there are people still making these same, idiotic comments and asking the same, no-comparison questions.

We'll try again, though, just in case you're one of the 4400:

You cannot "come out" as the status quo. You cannot "come out" as what everyone pretty much expected you to be. When you are the norm, you cannot "come out".

How farking hard is that to figure out?
 
2014-03-19 05:45:40 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: So these young people, all pro-life, second amendment, Bible readers suddenly change their entire world views because they read stories about gay people on the internet?


Who said every Arkansan fits your ridiculous stereotype? You could go to CPAC and find a more diverse group than your silly broad-brush caricature.

/you sold old as dirt
 
2014-03-19 05:50:51 PM  
UrukHaiGuyz:

/you sold old as dirt

/can but for to
 
2014-03-19 05:58:41 PM  

someonelse: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo. So even though I support being gay, I don't support it in yearbooks.

So, are you not OK with the standard photos of high school sweethearts and captions with quotes about how much they love each other, etc.? Or the jokes that all HS yearbooks have about well-known couples making out in study hall, etc.? The little paragraphs under the seniors' portraits where they talk about how the plan to marry their longtime boyfriend or girlfriend? They out, too?


In all honesty, my yearbook had none of those things.  Pictures of couples in the hallways?  Yes.  Pictures of them making out?  No.  Jokes about specific people making out?  Absolutely not.  A generic joke that, sometimes, some students, made out behind the bleachers - MAYBE, but just one passing reference.

And yes, I'm totally cool with the already highly censored senior quotes being censored.  We couldn't name anyone else - which makes a ton of sense to me.  I don't know anyone who used their quote to say, 'I love my Boyfriend' or 'I love my Girlfriend' - but I'd be totally fine with censoring it or leaving it in.

You can love your best friend.  You can love your family.  It doesn't have to be sexual expression.  Boyfriend/Girlfriend doesn't explicitly have to mean someone you are romantically involved with.  And, my having a girlfriend doesn't mean I'm gay or straight....it just means I have a girlfriend.

In any case, I'd support it or disallow it for everyone on the same merits, regardless of sexual orientation.
But a story about a guy who learned he liked to cross dress or the girl who learned she liked other girls or chick who had a foursome and then was nervous about being called a whore or the guy who learned he was gay.....meh - I don't see it as yearbook appropriate.
 
2014-03-19 06:02:01 PM  

hardinparamedic: Fark_Guy_Rob: It's okay to be gay, I just don't want to see any of your disgusting lifestyle choice. Stop liking things I say I don't like!

See, if you had just said that, it would have saved you a lot of time in this thread.


Except that it's totally wrong.  I'm a big fan of all sorts of sex.  I'm about as open minded about sex as a person can be.
 
2014-03-19 06:04:15 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo in our society.

It's not about sex. If you can't grasp that much, there's not much point continuing this debate. Also....no. False. It's taboo among social conservatives, not that that's relevant because it's NOT ABOUT SEX.

/have a nice day


Please explain to me how someone's SEXUAL identify is not about sex.

What do you think it means to be gay or straight or lesbian or bisexual?  Those are SEXUAL PREFERENCES.  It conveys what things you like to have sex with.

How can what you like to have sex with not be about sex?
 
2014-03-19 06:07:05 PM  
^ If he can write the essay without talking about sex - that's totally cool.  If he wants to say he found his 'true self' but was afraid of what others would think of him....but he came out of his shell and found that his true friends and his classmates were accepting....

Then - by all means...let him.

It would be the same story and apply to more people.  But if it's about him being gay, it is about sex.
 
2014-03-19 06:07:29 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: hardinparamedic: Fark_Guy_Rob: It's okay to be gay, I just don't want to see any of your disgusting lifestyle choice. Stop liking things I say I don't like!

See, if you had just said that, it would have saved you a lot of time in this thread.

Except that it's totally wrong.  I'm a big fan of all sorts of sex.  I'm about as open minded about sex as a person can be.


Shut up already, guy.

It doesn't matter what you actually believe or feel about a subject - you must fit in one box or the other during these discussions.

Then, you need to call the people in the other box names and respond to the people in your box so they feel validated that they are in the right box.

So which is it - photo's of gay sex in the yearbook or total abstinence laws?
 
2014-03-19 06:08:52 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Please explain to me how someone's SEXUAL identify is not about sex.


When the very sexual identity itself makes them prone to ridicule, scorn, hate, etc.
 
2014-03-19 06:09:18 PM  

EvilEgg: hardinparamedic: Marcus Aurelius: That's quite a lesson they're teaching there.

You're the real monster, Sir.

How dare you be intolerant of the rights of those school administrators to be intolerant of others. How dare you stifle their first Amendment rights, Sir.

Yes, what about the Christians who don't want that kind of filth in their yearbook?


fark em?
 
2014-03-19 06:10:00 PM  

impaler: Fark_Guy_Rob: Please explain to me how someone's SEXUAL identify is not about sex.

When the very sexual identity itself makes them prone to ridicule, scorn, hate, etc.


Furries?
 
2014-03-19 06:13:51 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo in our society.

It's not about sex. If you can't grasp that much, there's not much point continuing this debate. Also....no. False. It's taboo among social conservatives, not that that's relevant because it's NOT ABOUT SEX.

/have a nice day

Please explain to me how someone's SEXUAL identify is not about sex.

What do you think it means to be gay or straight or lesbian or bisexual?  Those are SEXUAL PREFERENCES.  It conveys what things you like to have sex with.

How can what you like to have sex with not be about sex?


Do you think little girls fantasizing about marriage is about sex? If so, why? Human sexuality and sexual preference is much more complex than "Bone: yes or no". It's a part of identity, and informs the entire way someone interacts with society and their peers, for obvious historical and cultural reasons, much like race or religion would.
 
2014-03-19 06:16:03 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Do you think little girls fantasizing about marriage is about sex?


Fuking sluts
 
2014-03-19 06:17:28 PM  

EvilEgg: hardinparamedic: Marcus Aurelius: That's quite a lesson they're teaching there.

You're the real monster, Sir.

How dare you be intolerant of the rights of those school administrators to be intolerant of others. How dare you stifle their first Amendment rights, Sir.

Yes, what about the Christians who don't want that kind of filth in their yearbook?


They will get over it.
Or they can stay outraged. It's really up to them.
 
2014-03-19 06:17:35 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Personally - I don't think anyone's sexual preferences are appropriate for a high school year book....

'I'll never forget the first time I found robot-bondage-gangbang porn.  Class of 2015 FTW!'


So prom pics of straight couples are off limits?
 
2014-03-19 06:19:32 PM  
dstrick44:

They will get over it.
Or they can stay outraged. It's really up to them.


Who, the gays or the Christians?
 
2014-03-19 06:21:29 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo in our society.

It's not about sex. If you can't grasp that much, there's not much point continuing this debate. Also....no. False. It's taboo among social conservatives, not that that's relevant because it's NOT ABOUT SEX.

/have a nice day

Please explain to me how someone's SEXUAL identify is not about sex.

What do you think it means to be gay or straight or lesbian or bisexual?  Those are SEXUAL PREFERENCES.  It conveys what things you like to have sex with.

How can what you like to have sex with not be about sex?

Do you think little girls fantasizing about marriage is about sex? If so, why? Human sexuality and sexual preference is much more complex than "Bone: yes or no". It's a part of identity, and informs the entire way someone interacts with society and their peers, for obvious historical and cultural reasons, much like race or religion would.


I've never equated marriage and sex.

A story about a girl getting married would be appropriate for a year book.
A story about a girl having sex would not be appropriate for a year book.

Orientation does not matter here.  Yes, if a chick is marrying a chick, we can ASSUME she is lesbian, but none of us know.

Being married is not about sex.
Being straight is about sex.
Being gay is about sex.

It seems like an easy divide.  We expect straight people to not disclose details of their sexual lives in yearbooks, and I have the same expectation for gay people.
 
2014-03-19 06:21:59 PM  

letrole: The idea of homosexuality being a legitimate expression of human sexuality is not accepted by society. The acceptance of homosexuality is a change that has not yet occurred. Again, the default condition is a rejection of homosexuality
Don't mistake circle-jerkery on a web forum for societal norms. Homosexuality is not accepted. You see, that's why there's all this talk of bigotry and intolerance and hurt feelings. Homosexuality is not accepted.
Sorry to completely overstate the point, but it's a little tiresome to hear all this agitprop about homosexuality having universal approval when it's simply not true.


It's a surname!
 
2014-03-19 06:23:41 PM  

DrDude: Fark_Guy_Rob: Personally - I don't think anyone's sexual preferences are appropriate for a high school year book....

'I'll never forget the first time I found robot-bondage-gangbang porn.  Class of 2015 FTW!'

So prom pics of straight couples are off limits?


I've already addressed it but, to say again, pictures of people not involved in sexual activity is okay for a yearbook.  Two dudes with arms around each other - that's cool.  Two chicks?  Cool.  A group of five?  That's cool.

You don't know their sexual orientation.  You don't know what sexual activities they like.  That's cool stuff to know, but not appropriate for a yearbook.

A prom pic WITH an article detailing how they are both totally glad they are straight and found their straight identify on prom night, not appropriate.
 
2014-03-19 06:27:53 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: We expect straight people to not disclose details of their sexual lives in yearbooks, and I have the same expectation for gay people.


Well, good thing nothing remotely like that happened in TFA.
 
2014-03-19 06:28:59 PM  

impaler: Fark_Guy_Rob: Please explain to me how someone's SEXUAL identify is not about sex.

When the very sexual identity itself makes them prone to ridicule, scorn, hate, etc.


Lots of sexual identities are not accepted by society.  Half the porn I look at is not generally accepted by society.  And that's fine, I like porn, it's great.  I even like weird porn.  But there is a HUGE spectrum that goes far beyond gay/straight and if you go far enough, you can base your entire culture/identity around that subgroup.  You can TOTALLY make your whole life around any of a near endless number of sexual identities society will make fun of you for.

None of belongs in a yearbook, IMHO.  Everyone has sexual identity and it's a part of them.  And it's great.  And it can be a tiny part of who you are, or it can be a huge part of who you are.  For whatever your sexuality is.  But high school yearbooks, largely targeted at minors, aren't the place for it.
 
2014-03-19 06:32:23 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: We expect straight people to not disclose details of their sexual lives in yearbooks, and I have the same expectation for gay people.

Well, good thing nothing remotely like that happened in TFA.


If someone says 'I am gay' they are disclosing details of their sexual lives.

The kid wants to tell his coming out story in the year book.  That, by necessity, is about his sexual life.  The only way it isn't about his sexual preferences is if he removes any reference to his sexuality at which point, it would be totally acceptable.

He can write a story about how he never felt like he let people know the 'real him', but then he realized it was okay to be himself, and everyone still supported him.  That's totally cool....and tons of students are going to relate.  But you would never know it was about him being gay, unless you knew him personally.  And that'd be a great story for a yearbook.

But if he says, 'I'm gay' - it's now about sex.  Because being gay IS about sex.  That's the defining characteristic.  Like the ONLY defining characteristic.  You can be gay and hate sports or love sports or be republican or democrat or a nice guy or a jerk.  But you can't be gay and not want to have sex with people of the same gender.  That's what it means.
 
2014-03-19 06:35:39 PM  
YEARBOOK PROFILES

Suzie: I want to become a doctor and find a cure for cancer.
Freddy: I Like playing video games and skateboarding.
Jessica: I enjoy horseback riding and want to be a vet some day.
Johnny: I like working out, and will be a Marine like my dad was.
Taylor: I'd like Freddy and Johnny to pack my fudge.

/yeah... no
 
2014-03-19 06:39:45 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Being married is not about sex.
Being straight is about sex.
Being gay is about sex.


0/3  F minus minus
 
2014-03-19 06:39:57 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: We expect straight people to not disclose details of their sexual lives in yearbooks, and I have the same expectation for gay people.

Well, good thing nothing remotely like that happened in TFA.

If someone says 'I am gay' they are disclosing details of their sexual lives.

The kid wants to tell his coming out story in the year book.  That, by necessity, is about his sexual life.  The only way it isn't about his sexual preferences is if he removes any reference to his sexuality at which point, it would be totally acceptable.

He can write a story about how he never felt like he let people know the 'real him', but then he realized it was okay to be himself, and everyone still supported him.  That's totally cool....and tons of students are going to relate.  But you would never know it was about him being gay, unless you knew him personally.  And that'd be a great story for a yearbook.

But if he says, 'I'm gay' - it's now about sex.  Because being gay IS about sex.  That's the defining characteristic.  Like the ONLY defining characteristic.  You can be gay and hate sports or love sports or be republican or democrat or a nice guy or a jerk.  But you can't be gay and not want to have sex with people of the same gender.  That's what it means.


If you equate knowing someone's sexual orientation to knowing the details of their sexual life, you must need the fainting couch every time you see a couple kiss in public. I see the argument you're trying to make, but it's not a logical one.
 
2014-03-19 06:41:04 PM  

Alleyoop: YEARBOOK PROFILES

Suzie: I want to become a doctor and find a cure for cancer.
Freddy: I Like playing video games and skateboarding.
Jessica: I enjoy horseback riding and want to be a vet some day.
Johnny: I like working out, and will be a Marine like my dad was.
Taylor: I'd like Freddy and Johnny to pack my fudge.


Just because you can't stop thinking about the buttsecks every time someone says "I'm gay" doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks that way.
 
2014-03-19 06:48:33 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: We expect straight people to not disclose details of their sexual lives in yearbooks, and I have the same expectation for gay people.

Well, good thing nothing remotely like that happened in TFA.

If someone says 'I am gay' they are disclosing details of their sexual lives.

The kid wants to tell his coming out story in the year book.  That, by necessity, is about his sexual life.  The only way it isn't about his sexual preferences is if he removes any reference to his sexuality at which point, it would be totally acceptable.

He can write a story about how he never felt like he let people know the 'real him', but then he realized it was okay to be himself, and everyone still supported him.  That's totally cool....and tons of students are going to relate.  But you would never know it was about him being gay, unless you knew him personally.  And that'd be a great story for a yearbook.

But if he says, 'I'm gay' - it's now about sex.  Because being gay IS about sex.  That's the defining characteristic.  Like the ONLY defining characteristic.  You can be gay and hate sports or love sports or be republican or democrat or a nice guy or a jerk.  But you can't be gay and not want to have sex with people of the same gender.  That's what it means.

If you equate knowing someone's sexual orientation to knowing the details of their sexual life, you must need the fainting couch every time you see a couple kiss in public. I see the argument you're trying to make, but it's not a logical one.


Someone's sexual orientation *IS*, without a doubt, a detail of their sexual life.  It doesn't belong in a high school yearbook.

And no, I don't faint when I see a couple kiss in public.  I'm not a prude, by any definition of the word.  I'm all for gay sex, and gay porn and all sorts of kinky stuff.  Even if *I* don't like it, I'm glad it exists.

Not wanting something in a YEARBOOK being sold to 15 year olds is NOT the same as not wanting to see it or not wanting it to exist.
 
2014-03-19 06:52:37 PM  

hardinparamedic: rkiller1: So when you wrote "funny" you were being ironic and really meant "angry"?
Got it.
Peace...out.

See, it's times like this that demonstrate why no one even takes you seriously anymore as anything other than a right winged troll, dude.


thatsmyintentdude.jpg
 
2014-03-19 06:53:30 PM  

snarfyboy: Fark_Guy_Rob: Being married is not about sex.
Being straight is about sex.
Being gay is about sex.

0/3  F minus minus


If you really try hard, everything goes back to sex.  Everyone who is alive today is alive because of sex.  And yes, some tiny component of marriage is linked to sex.  In some places NOT having sex is grounds for having the marriage annulled.

The difference is that being married is about a LOT of things that have nothing to do with sexual orientation or preference.  When I got married, I signed a piece of paper.  That's totally PG.

Being straight is about having a sexual desire to bone members of the opposite sex.  It is about SEX.  That's the definition of it.  Being gay is about sex.  Being straight is about sex.
 
2014-03-19 06:56:54 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: The Flexecutioner: Don't buy the yearbook in protest.

Everyone submit a profile that will likely be omitted. Result: a book of blank pages.


Well, I have a feeling it was going to be a book of blank stares.
 
2014-03-19 07:01:27 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: If someone says 'I am gay' they are disclosing details of their sexual lives.


Someone can state that they are gay, while they're a virgin.

"I am gay" cannot disclose details about someone's sexual live, if the statement can be made by someone that has never had a sex life.
 
2014-03-19 07:05:20 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Someone's sexual orientation *IS*, without a doubt, a detail of their sexual life.


That literally cannot be true if someone can have an orientation without every having a sex life. Something cannot be a detail about something that doesn't exist.

Logical fact - your wrong.
 
2014-03-19 07:06:04 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Being straight is about having a sexual desire to bone members of the opposite sex.


If that's what you think then I feel sorry for your wife.
 
2014-03-19 07:07:17 PM  

impaler: Fark_Guy_Rob: If someone says 'I am gay' they are disclosing details of their sexual lives.

Someone can state that they are gay, while they're a virgin.

"I am gay" cannot disclose details about someone's sexual live, if the statement can be made by someone that has never had a sex life.


I think it's time to face the fact there are a number of cranky, elderly, confused virgins in this thread, and it's probably best not to upset them.
 
2014-03-19 07:07:21 PM  

Astorix: Just like with rural Indiana the best thing you can do is leave Arkansas. Leave. Let it suffer a brain drain just like the rural parts of Indiana. Leave it to dry up and blow in the wind. Move to friendlier states with more accepting laws. Move to the East Coast, West Coast, Canada. Just leave.

You will be so much happier for it.

/I sure am. Left Indiana 18 years ago and the only thing I regret was not leaving there 10 years earlier.


Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo in our society.

It's not about sex. If you can't grasp that much, there's not much point continuing this debate. Also....no. False. It's taboo among social conservatives, not that that's relevant because it's NOT ABOUT SEX.

/have a nice day

Please explain to me how someone's SEXUAL identify is not about sex.

What do you think it means to be gay or straight or lesbian or bisexual?  Those are SEXUAL PREFERENCES.  It conveys what things you like to have sex with.

How can what you like to have sex with not be about sex?


Sex=Parts you were born with
Gender: What you ID as based on the parts you were born with

Bisexual: you can be attracted to the MALE and/or FEMALE sex
Straight: you attracted to the OPPOSITE SEX than you
GAY: You attracted to the SAME sex as you

Just because you are attracted to them, DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL HAVE or want to have SEX WITH THEM. It just means that you are attracted to them. That's all.
 
2014-03-19 07:08:12 PM  
We're going to have to ban prom photos too because they show couples and that's only about sex.
 
2014-03-19 07:08:57 PM  

impaler: Fark_Guy_Rob: If someone says 'I am gay' they are disclosing details of their sexual lives.

Someone can state that they are gay, while they're a virgin.

"I am gay" cannot disclose details about someone's sexual live, if the statement can be made by someone that has never had a sex life.


That's only if you arbitrarily define 'someone's sexual live' to be things they have actually done.

If someone says 'I am gay' it means they WANT to have sexual activities with members of the same sex.  It doesn't matter if they have done it or not, it is still a sexual desire/sexual preference and inappropriate for a high school yearbook.  If you want to argue that it isn't part of their sexual life, okay, fine, we are just splitting hairs.

I wouldn't think a quote from a guy about wanting to bang two chicks at once would be appropriate either - even if he hadn't actually had a threesome with two girls before.  It's about sex, detailing a sexual preference, that shouldn't be in a book sold to minors.
 
2014-03-19 07:12:53 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: If someone says 'I am gay' it means they WANT to have sexual activities with members of the same sex.


It can also mean they want to have a loving relationship with someone of the same sex.

Has all your sexual experiences only been with hookers or something? Because you have a fuking warped view of what a relationship with a significant other is about.
 
2014-03-19 07:15:26 PM  

mafiageek1980: Astorix: Just like with rural Indiana the best thing you can do is leave Arkansas. Leave. Let it suffer a brain drain just like the rural parts of Indiana. Leave it to dry up and blow in the wind. Move to friendlier states with more accepting laws. Move to the East Coast, West Coast, Canada. Just leave.

You will be so much happier for it.

/I sure am. Left Indiana 18 years ago and the only thing I regret was not leaving there 10 years earlier.

Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo in our society.

It's not about sex. If you can't grasp that much, there's not much point continuing this debate. Also....no. False. It's taboo among social conservatives, not that that's relevant because it's NOT ABOUT SEX.

/have a nice day

Please explain to me how someone's SEXUAL identify is not about sex.

What do you think it means to be gay or straight or lesbian or bisexual?  Those are SEXUAL PREFERENCES.  It conveys what things you like to have sex with.

How can what you like to have sex with not be about sex?

Sex=Parts you were born with
Gender: What you ID as based on the parts you were born with

Bisexual: you can be attracted to the MALE and/or FEMALE sex
Straight: you attracted to the OPPOSITE SEX than you
GAY: You attracted to the SAME sex as you

Just because you are attracted to them, DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL HAVE or want to have SEX WITH THEM. It just means that you are attracted to them. That's all.


Your being pedantic.  Sex is NOT just parts you are born worth.  That's one definition, sure.  But English is not so precise and there are lots of usages for the same word.

'We had sex last night' -->  Makes no sense using your definition.

And again, we're just splitting hairs.  I'm happy to accept your bi/gay/straight - but it is a sexual attraction.  You are correct, it doesn't mean you *will* have sex with them.  But that's obvious, isn't it?  I'm attracted to every hot chick I've ever seen in porn.  Of course that doesn't mean I WILL have sex with them.  It means, on some level, I want to.

And sure, you can be sexually attracted to someone and not literally want to have sex with them.  There can be lots of reasons why you would choose to abstain from sexual activities.  I'm in a relationship, I don't want to cheat on my partner, so even if I'm sexually attracted to someone, I might not 'want' to have sex with them.

But again, none of this seems relevant to me.  Declaring your sexual attractions is something that is inappropriate for a yearbook.  There isn't much difference between 'I want to bang chicks' and 'I will bang chicks' or 'I like to think about banging chicks, but I don't want to do it' in that regard.  In other contexts, sure, they are world's apart.  I wouldn't want any of them in a high school yearbook though.
 
2014-03-19 07:16:15 PM  

OnlyM3: Are they also including "I farked the prom queen stories"? No? probably because who you fark has not a g.d. thing to do w/ school.


Show us on the doll where your uncle touched you.
 
2014-03-19 07:18:16 PM  

snarfyboy: Just because you can't stop thinking about the buttsecks every time someone says "I'm gay" doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks that way.


Um, yeah, and none of the normal kids are saying "I'm straight" so try to get that heterosecks out of your head.

/am I doing it right?
 
2014-03-19 07:18:27 PM  
And here we see an example of arguably the most hilarious kind of bigotry.

"I have nothing against gay people, but I nonetheless object to them doing things that would be completely unremarkable if done by straight people on the basis of a set of rules that I came up with twelve seconds ago. I will now make a series of increasingly insincere, awkward and outright creepy attempts to convince people that I would apply this set of newly-invented, totally arbitrary restrictions to straight people as well."
 
2014-03-19 07:19:10 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: It would be the same story and apply to more people.  But if it's about him being gay, it is about sex.


It's okay, FGR. We understand, You got a boner and you're embarrassed. We won't tell anyone. We promise.

Christian sexual shame. Such a terrible waste of a human mind.
 
2014-03-19 07:21:16 PM  

Biological Ali: And here we see an example of arguably the most hilarious kind of bigotry.

"I have nothing against gay people, but I nonetheless object to them doing things that would be completely unremarkable if done by straight people on the basis of a set of rules that I came up with twelve seconds ago. I will now make a series of increasingly insincere, awkward and outright creepy attempts to convince people that I would apply this set of newly-invented, totally arbitrary restrictions to straight people as well."


The sad thing is how pathetically obvious and transparent it is. They think we're too stupid to know what they're really up to.
 
2014-03-19 07:22:03 PM  

impaler: Fark_Guy_Rob: If someone says 'I am gay' it means they WANT to have sexual activities with members of the same sex.

It can also mean they want to have a loving relationship with someone of the same sex.

Has all your sexual experiences only been with hookers or something? Because you have a fuking warped view of what a relationship with a significant other is about.


1.)  Go to www.Google.com
2.)  type 'define: gay'
3.)  Realize we are clearing talking about 'homosexual' - click that link
4.)  Read:

adjective: homosexual
sexually attracted to people of one's own sex.
* involving or characterized by sexual attraction between people of the same sex.
"homosexual desire"

noun: homosexual; plural noun: homosexuals
a person who is sexually attracted to people of their own sex.

synonyms:    gay, lesbian, gay person, lesbigay; More
antonyms:    heterosexual, straight

----------------------
That's what the word means.  If you want a non-sexual relationship with a dude, then it doesn't make you gay.  You might be gay or straight or bi or asexual - a non-sexual relationship has NO impact.  Because being gay/straight/bi is about sexual attraction.
 
2014-03-19 07:25:25 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: That's what the word means.


Too bad we're talking about people, not words.
 
2014-03-19 07:26:09 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Fark_Guy_Rob: It would be the same story and apply to more people.  But if it's about him being gay, it is about sex.

It's okay, FGR. We understand, You got a boner and you're embarrassed. We won't tell anyone. We promise.

Christian sexual shame. Such a terrible waste of a human mind.


I'm not Christian (or any religion)
I have no sexual shame.
I enjoy a wide variety of sexual activities and sexual fantasies.
I support gay marriage.
I have no objection to gay people.

But sure - whatever floats your boat.  Do you want me to blindly guess things about you that are almost certainly wrong too?
 
2014-03-19 07:31:37 PM  

snarfyboy: Fark_Guy_Rob: Being straight is about having a sexual desire to bone members of the opposite sex.

If that's what you think then I feel sorry for your wife.


That's what I was thinking :/
 
2014-03-19 07:32:03 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: mafiageek1980: Astorix: Just like with rural Indiana the best thing you can do is leave Arkansas. Leave. Let it suffer a brain drain just like the rural parts of Indiana. Leave it to dry up and blow in the wind. Move to friendlier states with more accepting laws. Move to the East Coast, West Coast, Canada. Just leave.

You will be so much happier for it.

/I sure am. Left Indiana 18 years ago and the only thing I regret was not leaving there 10 years earlier.

Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo in our society.

It's not about sex. If you can't grasp that much, there's not much point continuing this debate. Also....no. False. It's taboo among social conservatives, not that that's relevant because it's NOT ABOUT SEX.

/have a nice day

Please explain to me how someone's SEXUAL identify is not about sex.

What do you think it means to be gay or straight or lesbian or bisexual?  Those are SEXUAL PREFERENCES.  It conveys what things you like to have sex with.

How can what you like to have sex with not be about sex?

Sex=Parts you were born with
Gender: What you ID as based on the parts you were born with

Bisexual: you can be attracted to the MALE and/or FEMALE sex
Straight: you attracted to the OPPOSITE SEX than you
GAY: You attracted to the SAME sex as you

Just because you are attracted to them, DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL HAVE or want to have SEX WITH THEM. It just means that you are attracted to them. That's all.

Your being pedantic.  Sex is NOT just parts you are born worth.  That's one definition, sure.  But English is not so precise and there are lots of usages for the same word.

'We had sex last night' -->  Makes no sense using your definition.

And again, we're just splitting hairs.  I'm happy to accept your bi/gay/straight - but it is a sexual attraction.  You are correct, it doesn't mean you *will* have sex with them.  But that's obvious, isn't it?  I'm attracted to every hot chick I've ever seen in porn.  Of course that doesn't mean I WIL ...


To quote SEVERAL of my fellow farkers that have ALREADY made this statement:

In that case, we should ditch ANY and all pictures of the prom/school dances in that case. Oh yeah, and the yearbooks that do that "cutest couple" shiat, ban those too.
 
2014-03-19 07:32:03 PM  

impaler: Fark_Guy_Rob: That's what the word means.

Too bad we're talking about people, not words.


No we are not talking about people.  I am SPECIFICALLY responding to your last post.  I will recap so that it will be clear.

I said:  'If someone says 'I am gay' it means they WANT to have sexual activities with members of the same sex. '
You said: 'It can also mean they want to have a loving relationship with someone of the same sex '

My response is just to your claim.  If someone says 'I am gay', 'gay' has a meaning.  It is a word.  We are talking about the word gay, and what it means.  And I quoted the definition from Google as a reference for my position that when someone says 'I am gay' it is expressing a sexual attraction or desire.
 
2014-03-19 07:32:53 PM  

impaler: WanPhat: No, the equivalence is valid.

Not sure having a yearbook where kids talk about who they want to have sex with is such a good idea.

You can be gay your entire life without every having sex


You can want to have sex with someone for your entire life without ever having sex too.

impaler:What fuking part of that statement can't you morons get?

Stating you're gay isn't sexually explicit.


Nobody is saying it is explicit. It just doesn't belong in a yearbook any more than "I am sexually attracted to redheads" is.
 
2014-03-19 07:34:55 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Not wanting something in a YEARBOOK being sold to 15 year olds is NOT the same as not wanting to see it or not wanting it to exist.


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15 year-olds SHOULD already know gay people exist. It's the world we live in now. Get over it. If anything, his story could reassure other kids that being gay is not a bad thing.

Or as Louis CK said:

www.blogactive.com
 
2014-03-19 07:36:27 PM  

mafiageek1980: Fark_Guy_Rob: mafiageek1980: Astorix: Just like with rural Indiana the best thing you can do is leave Arkansas. Leave. Let it suffer a brain drain just like the rural parts of Indiana. Leave it to dry up and blow in the wind. Move to friendlier states with more accepting laws. Move to the East Coast, West Coast, Canada. Just leave.

You will be so much happier for it.

/I sure am. Left Indiana 18 years ago and the only thing I regret was not leaving there 10 years earlier.

Fark_Guy_Rob: UrukHaiGuyz: Fark_Guy_Rob: Sex is taboo in our society.

It's not about sex. If you can't grasp that much, there's not much point continuing this debate. Also....no. False. It's taboo among social conservatives, not that that's relevant because it's NOT ABOUT SEX.

/have a nice day

Please explain to me how someone's SEXUAL identify is not about sex.

What do you think it means to be gay or straight or lesbian or bisexual?  Those are SEXUAL PREFERENCES.  It conveys what things you like to have sex with.

How can what you like to have sex with not be about sex?

Sex=Parts you were born with
Gender: What you ID as based on the parts you were born with

Bisexual: you can be attracted to the MALE and/or FEMALE sex
Straight: you attracted to the OPPOSITE SEX than you
GAY: You attracted to the SAME sex as you

Just because you are attracted to them, DOES NOT MEAN YOU WILL HAVE or want to have SEX WITH THEM. It just means that you are attracted to them. That's all.

Your being pedantic.  Sex is NOT just parts you are born worth.  That's one definition, sure.  But English is not so precise and there are lots of usages for the same word.

'We had sex last night' -->  Makes no sense using your definition.

And again, we're just splitting hairs.  I'm happy to accept your bi/gay/straight - but it is a sexual attraction.  You are correct, it doesn't mean you *will* have sex with them.  But that's obvious, isn't it?  I'm attracted to every hot chick I've ever seen in porn.  Of course that does ...


If you scroll up - I've already addressed the picture issue like four times now.  Pictures are fine because they don't show sexual activity.  Two people standing with arms on each other - is totally fine.  They might be friends, they might be lovers.  Two guys, two girls - whatever.  That's totally cool.  A group of five people locking arms for a group photo at prom - again - totally cool.  Photos of people smiling or dancing or holding hands - all totally cool.

A caption that says 'I like to have sex with her' underneath the photo - inappropriate.

Saying 'I am straight' is entirely different than implying that you probably are because you are guy dancing with a girl.  Saying, 'I am gay' in the yearbook is totally different posing for a photo with your boyfriend.  Unless you are involved in sexual activities in the photo (then it wouldn't be appropriate).
 
2014-03-19 07:41:15 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Fark_Guy_Rob: Not wanting something in a YEARBOOK being sold to 15 year olds is NOT the same as not wanting to see it or not wanting it to exist.

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15 year-olds SHOULD already know gay people exist. It's the world we live in now. Get over it. If anything, his story could reassure other kids that being gay is not a bad thing.

Or as Louis CK said:

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Yes - 15 year olds should know that gays exist and the relevant history/civil liberties stuff.  Same way we should teach kids about racism and drugs and violence and sex.  And, just for the record, I love drugs, violence and sex.  Still, there is a HUGE difference between saying

'There exists racist people'
and 'I hate black people'.

There is a huge difference between saying 'drugs exist' and 'After prom I am gonna get HIGH AS FUUUUUU'.

There is a huge difference between saying 'This is how sex works.  These are birth control methods.  The 'early withdrawl method is not very effective' and 'I like to blow my load my girlfriends boobs'.  And there is a big difference between there are gay people and 'I am gay'.

An individual's sexual preferences shouldn't be in a yearbook.  Straight/gay/bi/whatever.
 
2014-03-19 07:43:29 PM  

snarfyboy: Fark_Guy_Rob: Being straight is about having a sexual desire to bone members of the opposite sex.

If that's what you think then I feel sorry for your wife.


Why don't you enlighten us with a better definition of what it 'straight' is?
 
2014-03-19 07:43:46 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: And there is a big difference between there are gay people and 'I am gay'.


LOLWUT?

And I liked how you ignored my whole sentence about this actually being an inspiration and reassurance to other gay kids that being gay is not wrong or bad.
 
2014-03-19 07:52:29 PM  
But the story about knocking up the PE teacher is still OK.
 
2014-03-19 07:53:50 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Fark_Guy_Rob: And there is a big difference between there are gay people and 'I am gay'.

LOLWUT?

And I liked how you ignored my whole sentence about this actually being an inspiration and reassurance to other gay kids that being gay is not wrong or bad.


The same can be true of ANY sexual activity.  Pegging isn't very accepted in our society.  If I wrote an article for my yearbook about how my GF and I totally got into pegging and how when we told people we were nervous, but everyone supported us.  And it's totally cool.

That could really make other dudes who enjoy being pegged feel better.  I'm totally cool with pretty much any sexual activity - so if pegging is your thing - that's awesome.  There is nothing wrong or bad about it.

But you should seek that reassurance somewhere besides your high school year book.  I agree, 100% there is nothing wrong with being gay or straight or bi or bi-curious or anything else.
 
2014-03-19 07:56:10 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: scottydoesntknow: Fark_Guy_Rob: And there is a big difference between there are gay people and 'I am gay'.

LOLWUT?

And I liked how you ignored my whole sentence about this actually being an inspiration and reassurance to other gay kids that being gay is not wrong or bad.

The same can be true of ANY sexual activity.  Pegging isn't very accepted in our society.  If I wrote an article for my yearbook about how my GF and I totally got into pegging and how when we told people we were nervous, but everyone supported us.  And it's totally cool.

That could really make other dudes who enjoy being pegged feel better.  I'm totally cool with pretty much any sexual activity - so if pegging is your thing - that's awesome.  There is nothing wrong or bad about it.

But you should seek that reassurance somewhere besides your high school year book.  I agree, 100% there is nothing wrong with being gay or straight or bi or bi-curious or anything else.


You aren't born pegging, so stop that. You're still straight, and you have a fetish for pegging. Two completely different things, and comparing the two as similar is farking stupid at the very least.
 
2014-03-19 07:58:33 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Why don't you enlighten us with a better definition of what it 'straight' is?


It's more then objectifying your wife as a mound of flesh to fark, I'll tell you that.
 
2014-03-19 08:02:35 PM  

snarfyboy: Fark_Guy_Rob: Why don't you enlighten us with a better definition of what it 'straight' is?

It's more then objectifying your wife as a mound of flesh to fark, I'll tell you that.


HE'S ALABAMA MAN!
 
2014-03-19 08:02:47 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Fark_Guy_Rob: scottydoesntknow: Fark_Guy_Rob: And there is a big difference between there are gay people and 'I am gay'.

LOLWUT?

And I liked how you ignored my whole sentence about this actually being an inspiration and reassurance to other gay kids that being gay is not wrong or bad.

The same can be true of ANY sexual activity.  Pegging isn't very accepted in our society.  If I wrote an article for my yearbook about how my GF and I totally got into pegging and how when we told people we were nervous, but everyone supported us.  And it's totally cool.

That could really make other dudes who enjoy being pegged feel better.  I'm totally cool with pretty much any sexual activity - so if pegging is your thing - that's awesome.  There is nothing wrong or bad about it.

But you should seek that reassurance somewhere besides your high school year book.  I agree, 100% there is nothing wrong with being gay or straight or bi or bi-curious or anything else.

You aren't born pegging, so stop that. You're still straight, and you have a fetish for pegging. Two completely different things, and comparing the two as similar is farking stupid at the very least.


LOTS of people with fetishes claim to be born with them.  Who are you or I to argue?  If a gay person tells me they were born gay, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.  The one true chubby chaser I know says he was *always* sexually attracted to large women, for as long as he can remember.  He believes he was born that way.

There isn't nearly enough medical understanding to conclude that someone wasn't born with a fetish.  There is also a lot of conflicting evidence as to whether or not people are born gay or straight - like identical twins where only one is gay.  So, while you've presented it as a fact, it isn't universally accepted as such.

Unless you can prove one is by birth and one isn't, I believe it is a completely valid comparison.
 
2014-03-19 08:05:22 PM  

snarfyboy: Fark_Guy_Rob: Why don't you enlighten us with a better definition of what it 'straight' is?

It's more then objectifying your wife as a mound of flesh to fark, I'll tell you that.


That's quite possibly the worst definition of straight I have ever heard.  'More than objectifying your wife....' ummm, okay.  So if I get divorced, am I still straight?  What else does it include?
 
2014-03-19 08:29:09 PM  

snarfyboy: Fark_Guy_Rob: Why don't you enlighten us with a better definition of what it 'straight' is?

It's more then objectifying your wife as a mound of flesh to fark, I'll tell you that.


You were born with a wife? Sucks to be you I guess.
 
2014-03-19 08:31:17 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: That's quite possibly the worst definition of straight I have ever heard.  'More than objectifying your wife....' ummm, okay.  So if I get divorced, am I still straight?  What else does it include?


Hey, it's your definition not mine. Don't blame me for using your definition. You are the one that said gay and straight are about sex and who you want to fark, not me.  Or are you saying that maybe there is something more to it?
 
2014-03-19 08:32:16 PM  

snarfyboy: Fark_Guy_Rob: That's quite possibly the worst definition of straight I have ever heard.  'More than objectifying your wife....' ummm, okay.  So if I get divorced, am I still straight?  What else does it include?

Hey, it's your definition not mine. Don't blame me for using your definition. You are the one that said gay and straight are about sex and who you want to fark, not me.  Or are you saying that maybe there is something more to it?


The point totally flew over his moron head.
 
2014-03-19 08:39:24 PM  
Bunch of hypocrites here.

If the kid told a story about the their religion, NRA, or hunting or shooting, you would be all for the ban. But story about being a bone zombie is perfectly okay......
 
2014-03-19 08:40:23 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: scottydoesntknow: Fark_Guy_Rob: scottydoesntknow: Fark_Guy_Rob: And there is a big difference between there are gay people and 'I am gay'.

LOLWUT?

And I liked how you ignored my whole sentence about this actually being an inspiration and reassurance to other gay kids that being gay is not wrong or bad.

The same can be true of ANY sexual activity.  Pegging isn't very accepted in our society.  If I wrote an article for my yearbook about how my GF and I totally got into pegging and how when we told people we were nervous, but everyone supported us.  And it's totally cool.

That could really make other dudes who enjoy being pegged feel better.  I'm totally cool with pretty much any sexual activity - so if pegging is your thing - that's awesome.  There is nothing wrong or bad about it.

But you should seek that reassurance somewhere besides your high school year book.  I agree, 100% there is nothing wrong with being gay or straight or bi or bi-curious or anything else.

You aren't born pegging, so stop that. You're still straight, and you have a fetish for pegging. Two completely different things, and comparing the two as similar is farking stupid at the very least.

LOTS of people with fetishes claim to be born with them.  Who are you or I to argue?  If a gay person tells me they were born gay, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.  The one true chubby chaser I know says he was *always* sexually attracted to large women, for as long as he can remember.  He believes he was born that way.

There isn't nearly enough medical understanding to conclude that someone wasn't born with a fetish.  There is also a lot of conflicting evidence as to whether or not people are born gay or straight - like identical twins where only one is gay.  So, while you've presented it as a fact, it isn't universally accepted as such.

Unless you can prove one is by birth and one isn't, I believe it is a completely valid comparison.


Comparing one's inborn sexual orientation such as straight/gay to fetishes is just plain ridiculous. It's the tired old "slippery slope" argument and therefore invalid. You may as well say that since you were born liking women in a sexual way, that someone else could just as easily be born liking hedgehogs in a sexual way. I mean, they're both sexual, right? Oh, but you weren't thinking of the straight persuasion when you made this argument, were you? This "logic" fails just as soundly as the standard conservative "Well if two men can get married then why can't a man marry a dog" argument. It's not only ridiculous, it's extremely insulting to people who have done nothing wrong to anyone and don't deserve this kind of lumping in with oddities.
 
2014-03-19 08:58:02 PM  

Thunderpipes: Bunch of hypocrites here.

If the kid told a story about the their religion, NRA, or hunting or shooting, you would be all for the ban. But story about being a bone zombie is perfectly okay......


Oh look, TP has arrive to throw a bunch of hypothetical straw men on the thread!

Also wrong. About me anyway; I can't speak for others.  Now, tell me, if you are okay with those examples you listed are you also okay with this kid?
 
2014-03-19 10:21:43 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Personally - I don't think anyone's sexual preferences are appropriate for a high school year book....


It would be interesting to see if a yearbook would have a problem with the star athlete proclaiming his heterosexuality -for comparison.

/although we already know there is no problem with yearbook publishing school dance photos
 
2014-03-19 10:32:30 PM  

someonelse: This really isn't hard to fathom if your brain didn't calcify during the Eisenhower era. Students write a little something about themselves and their HS experience. It's not that hard to wrap your head around. These aren't toddlers we're talking about, they're young adults. Just a stone's throw from being able to serve in the military. A "coming out as gay" essay is nothing shocking. Not to this generation.


Students are writing essays that get published in their yearbooks?

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what kind of thing normally gets written.  What is it usually about, and how long is it?  Is it a one or two sentence thing?  Is it, as you just stated, an essay?

They didn't do this when I was in school, and they didn't do it when my kids were in school.   I don't care if you're gay.  I don't really understand why so many gays seem to feel that they have to make a big deal out of it, but I really don't care, and I'm in favor of gay marriage.  My question isn't about gays, it's about people writing "their story" in yearbooks.
 
2014-03-19 10:40:05 PM  

JuggleGeek: someonelse: This really isn't hard to fathom if your brain didn't calcify during the Eisenhower era. Students write a little something about themselves and their HS experience. It's not that hard to wrap your head around. These aren't toddlers we're talking about, they're young adults. Just a stone's throw from being able to serve in the military. A "coming out as gay" essay is nothing shocking. Not to this generation.

Students are writing essays that get published in their yearbooks?

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is what kind of thing normally gets written.  What is it usually about, and how long is it?  Is it a one or two sentence thing?  Is it, as you just stated, an essay?

They didn't do this when I was in school, and they didn't do it when my kids were in school.   I don't care if you're gay.  I don't really understand why so many gays seem to feel that they have to make a big deal out of it, but I really don't care, and I'm in favor of gay marriage.  My question isn't about gays, it's about people writing "their story" in yearbooks.


Hey, Old Man River, maybe you didn't notice but yearbooks are twice the size of the phonebooks you and your Old Man River classmates used to get in the "mail".

They write essays and thesis on how the world has changed (and for the better) since you old pieces of shiat died off.

They talk about the Twilight Saga, and the new guy playing Batman, and such like that.

You don't get it, old man.
 
2014-03-19 11:18:16 PM  
What an inspirational story. Being accepted for who you are sounds really rough.
 
2014-03-19 11:25:40 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: Hey, Old Man River, maybe you didn't notice but yearbooks are twice the size of the phonebooks you and your Old Man River classmates used to get in the "mail".

They write essays and thesis on how the world has changed (and for the better) since you old pieces of shiat died off.

They talk about the Twilight Saga, and the new guy playing Batman, and such like that.

You don't get it, old man.


You are correct that I don't get it.  That's why I'm asking.  You could answer the question, which you haven't done, or you could be an asshole.  Apparently, you prefer the asshole route.  That's fine, I can treat you like an asshole.

I called a friend of mine who teaches high school in Dallas at Lake Highlands HS and asked her.  She doesn't know anything about this either.  She says that the kids don't write essays or stories or paragraphs or anything similar to be printed in the yearbooks.  She asked me if I was talking about the notes they write to a friend when they sign the yearbook, but that's not what this is.

She's been teaching for 20+ years.  She still teaches in Dallas, so her info isn't outdated. Yes, I'm old, but not all schools are doing this.

Yes, I'm old.  And yes, you're an asshole with no experience outside of your school.  You can go back to sucking cock and acting like be young and stupid makes you better than everyone else.  You've convinced me that asking isn't worth the trouble.
 
2014-03-20 12:53:51 AM  
big freaking deal. A stupid kid wanted to brag about his bedroom antics and thinks it should be worthy of the yearbook. Pull up your big girl panties, kid. I'm sure youre wearing them.
 
2014-03-20 07:35:55 AM  

JuggleGeek: I called a friend of mine who teaches high school in Dallas at Lake Highlands HS and asked her.


Or you could just a Google search on yearbook stories and see by all the how-tos that it's a pretty common practice.
 
2014-03-20 08:14:01 AM  

JuggleGeek: Agent Nick Fury: Hey, Old Man River, maybe you didn't notice but yearbooks are twice the size of the phonebooks you and your Old Man River classmates used to get in the "mail".

They write essays and thesis on how the world has changed (and for the better) since you old pieces of shiat died off.

They talk about the Twilight Saga, and the new guy playing Batman, and such like that.

You don't get it, old man.

You are correct that I don't get it.  That's why I'm asking.  You could answer the question, which you haven't done, or you could be an asshole.  Apparently, you prefer the asshole route.  That's fine, I can treat you like an asshole.

I called a friend of mine who teaches high school in Dallas at Lake Highlands HS and asked her.  She doesn't know anything about this either.  She says that the kids don't write essays or stories or paragraphs or anything similar to be printed in the yearbooks.  She asked me if I was talking about the notes they write to a friend when they sign the yearbook, but that's not what this is.

She's been teaching for 20+ years.  She still teaches in Dallas, so her info isn't outdated. Yes, I'm old, but not all schools are doing this.

Yes, I'm old.  And yes, you're an asshole with no experience outside of your school.  You can go back to sucking cock and acting like be young and stupid makes you better than everyone else.  You've convinced me that asking isn't worth the trouble.


Read his post again, I think the Agent was agreeing with you. Your difficulty in detecting satire is pretty weak unless you really think yearbooks are the size of phone books with essays on the Twilight Saga.
 
2014-03-20 09:01:15 AM  
I'm sure even without seeing TFA the most sexual content of the kid's entry is "I'm gay", and the rest of it is droning on about how happy he is that his school years weren't turned into a living hell for admitting it. That's not even promoting, it's saying more about the OTHER students than himself.

The point of his blurb is not "I'm a barely-legal cum dumpster that'll do anything so call me."
 
2014-03-20 11:19:49 AM  
This is a long thread. A contentious thread. A thread full of outraged fudge packers, and allies of fudge packers,  It is a thread that will not solve a thing but identify a majority of Farkers as people who would jump over a mile of p*ssy to get to one asshole. This so-called gay kid has been raised by a overbearing, man hating, single mother who claimed two days ago in a local paper that she knew her son was gay since the day he was born. Well I guess she was so convinced of this she managed to convince him too. The kid is alright and his peers, and the community at large, doesn't care much about his sexual orientation. There are homosexuals that live quietly and are accepted by this community of a little over 5000. They just don't approve of this 17 year old kid standing on top of the County courthouse and shouting it out, while banging on cymbals as he does so. That is pretty much what he is doing. There is such a thing as decorum down here in the small town south. Up north not so much. We urge you to keep your bad manners up there.
 
2014-03-20 12:07:06 PM  
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2014-03-20 03:48:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: EdNortonsTwin: Does the attention-whore, or the precious-snowflake meme apply to GLBT?

Between the yearbook and the St.Patrick's parades I'm going to have to lean toward YES.

Yep, wanting to be treated equally equals being an attention whore. Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to march in the st Patricks day parade either.


If I insisted upon bringing a proud to be straight flag (figurative) to wave in everyones face and was disallowed, that would not be an unreasonable.
 
2014-03-20 03:59:29 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: If I insisted upon bringing a proud to be straight flag (figurative)


Nice strawman.

Do you have evidence that they were bringing any such thing other then a banner the said "Gay Irish Veterans"?
 
2014-03-20 04:16:04 PM  

snarfyboy: EdNortonsTwin: If I insisted upon bringing a proud to be straight flag (figurative)

Nice strawman.

Do you have evidence that they were bringing any such thing other then a banner the said "Gay Irish Veterans"?


Other than?  No, but the Gay Irish Vet banner = look at me I'm a gay attention whore.

Is there a Straight Irish Veterans banner flying in the parade?
 
2014-03-20 04:31:20 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Other than?  No, but the Gay Irish Vet banner = look at me I'm a gay attention whore.


So the banners that say "Irish Catholics"  Aare Catholic attention whores, amiright?

So the "Irish Women's League" Are women attention whores, amiright?

So the "NYC Police department" are attention whores?

Seem like you chose only one thing there to call people attention whores.  I wonder why?
 
2014-03-20 04:45:34 PM  

snarfyboy: EdNortonsTwin: Other than?  No, but the Gay Irish Vet banner = look at me I'm a gay attention whore.

So the banners that say "Irish Catholics"  Aare Catholic attention whores, amiright?

So the "Irish Women's League" Are women attention whores, amiright?

So the "NYC Police department" are attention whores?

Seem like you chose only one thing there to call people attention whores.  I wonder why?



If any of those groups banners said "Straight" or "Gay" as a part of their group title then I would say they are being attention whores.

Attention whoring about sexual-preference should have no place in a St.Patricks day parade or a school yearbook.

Hurray equality!
 
2014-03-20 04:53:22 PM  

dj_bigbird: Something about Barbara Streissand Donna Summer applies here.

 
2014-03-20 04:53:22 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: If any of those groups banners said "Straight" or "Gay" as a part of their group title then I would say they are being attention whores.


So you would agree that all married couples should be banned from marching then, correct?

You agree that Yearbooks should not include pictures from the prom dance or contests like cuteest couple or most likely to get married.

Right?  Where is you indignation about this attention whoring?
 
2014-03-20 06:13:49 PM  

snarfyboy: EdNortonsTwin: If any of those groups banners said "Straight" or "Gay" as a part of their group title then I would say they are being attention whores.

So you would agree that all married couples should be banned from marching then, correct?

You agree that Yearbooks should not include pictures from the prom dance or contests like cuteest couple or most likely to get married.


 Right?  Where is you indignation about this attention whoring?

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.  I don't see specific sexual orientation attention whoring in your examples.


I know you probably think I'm opposed to gay equality, and try as you might to paint me in to a picture of such - you won't.  There's no indignation to be found here except maybe from you.

I don't beleive, and you will find straight and gay who agree, that having a specific sexual-orientation cinderalla story doesn't belong in a kids yearbook and there doesn't need to be a gay or straight specific banners in a St.P parade.


Snarfy, can you just go-ahead and put gay militant in your profile?
 
2014-03-20 06:29:44 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Wrong, wrong, and wrong.  I don't see specific sexual orientation attention whoring in your examples.


It's specific to whomever it is.  A man with a wife is asserting his straightness and that that is the woman he farks.

EdNortonsTwin: I know you probably think I'm opposed to gay equality, and try as you might to paint me in to a picture of such - you won't.  There's no indignation to be found here except maybe from you.


I've heard this speech many times before.  But your words are far more telling than your claims.

EdNortonsTwin: I don't beleive, and you will find straight and gay who agree, that having a specific sexual-orientation cinderalla story doesn't belong in a kids yearbook and there doesn't need to be a gay or straight specific banners in a St.P parade.


I have the advantage of knowing many, many many straight and gay people and I can tell you that virtually no gay person would say that, and the only straight ones that do are homophobic.

EdNortonsTwin: Snarfy, can you just go-ahead and put gay militant in your profile?


Sure, will you put homophobe that pretends he isn't in yours?
 
2014-03-20 07:01:03 PM  

snarfyboy: EdNortonsTwin: Wrong, wrong, and wrong.  I don't see specific sexual orientation attention whoring in your examples.

   It's specific to whomever it is.  A man with a wife is asserting his straightness and that that is the woman he farks.
       - WTF?  Are you Sigmund Freud reincarnate and everything is about sexuality?    When  see a couple sitting or walking together I don't think "they

 fark", or "he's asserting his sexuality".  Is that what you see?  What's going on with you, were you traumatized?

EdNortonsTwin: I know you probably think I'm opposed to gay equality, and try as you might to paint me in to a picture of such - you won't.  There's no indignation to be found here except maybe from you.

I've heard this speech many times before.  But your words are far more telling than your claims.

  -I'm sorry if you've been hurt by less tollerant people.

EdNortonsTwin: I don't beleive, and you will find straight and gay who agree, that having a specific sexual-orientation cinderalla story doesn't belong in a kids yearbook and there doesn't need to be a gay or straight specific banners in a St.P parade.

I have the advantage of knowing many, many many straight and gay people and I can tell you that virtually no gay person would say that, and the only straight ones that do are homophobic.


-I read St.Patty's post yesterday from someone who claims to be gay that stated otherwise.Give it a look.

EdNortonsTwin: Snarfy, can you just go-ahead and put gay militant in your profile?

Sure, will you put homophobe that pretends he isn't in yours?


- Because I don't think we need to announce and wave a banner regarding our various sexual orientations, in a high school year book, and a St.P parade I'm a homophobe?  Ok, and you can put that you hate breeders and pretend you don't on a t-shirt because that's really the next step in your escalation.

I'm sorry if you were traumatized about being gay, Snarfy.  The gay cause doesn't revolve around your victimhood.

So, who hurt you?
 
2014-03-20 07:27:12 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: - WTF?  Are you Sigmund Freud reincarnate and everything is about sexuality?    When  see a couple sitting or walking together I don't think "they

 fark", or "he's asserting his sexuality".  Is that what you see?  What's going on with you, were you traumatized?


Nope.  I am pointing out how ridiculous it is to think something like that, just as it is when someone say's "I'm gay."  If someone saying something like that immediately turns your thoughts to sex, that's your problem.

EdNortonsTwin: -I'm sorry if you've been hurt by less tollerant people.


I have a thick shell.  But yeah.  They often sound like you.

EdNortonsTwin: -I read St.Patty's post yesterday from someone who claims to be gay that stated otherwise.Give it a look.


I might, if you provided a link.  But you didn't and as you say, they only claim to to be gay.  Besides, I said virtually, not literally.  There's a difference.

EdNortonsTwin: - Because I don't think we need to announce and wave a banner regarding our various sexual orientations, in a high school year book, and a St.P parade I'm a homophobe?  Ok, and you can put that you hate breeders and pretend you don't on a t-shirt because that's really the next step in your escalation.


Yes, actually.  If you are okay with people parading their heterosuxal activities, then you should have no problem with a gay person.  That makes you a homophobe.  that fact that you can't even tell that you are doing it makes it even more so.

EdNortonsTwin: I'm sorry if you were traumatized about being gay, Snarfy.  The gay cause doesn't revolve around your victimhood.

So, who hurt you?


People like you.  People that want us kept in the closet.  People that call us militant and attention whores for being who were are.  You.
 
2014-03-20 07:56:25 PM  
snarfyboy:

Yes, actually.  If you are okay with people parading their heterosuxal activities, then you should have no problem with a gay person.  That makes you a homophobe.  that fact that you can't even tell that you are doing it makes it even more so.

Serious question - I have a lot of friends gay and straight, and I have never heard the term "homophobe" thrown around as much as I do on Fark. What, in your opinion, is a homophobe? Is it based on tolerance of other peoples actions or is it based on acceptance of other peoples thoughts?
 
2014-03-20 08:00:45 PM  

Agatha Crispy: Serious question - I have a lot of friends gay and straight, and I have never heard the term "homophobe" thrown around as much as I do on Fark. What, in your opinion, is a homophobe? Is it based on tolerance of other peoples actions or is it based on acceptance of other peoples thoughts?


It is essentially the equivalent of racist.  It's not my favorite word from an etymological standpoint, but it's the one that stuck.  I usually prefer the clunkier "anti-gay" but since we were going for hyperbole with the "militant gay" bit, I thought I would return in kind.
 
2014-03-20 08:13:25 PM  

snarfyboy: Agatha Crispy: Serious question - I have a lot of friends gay and straight, and I have never heard the term "homophobe" thrown around as much as I do on Fark. What, in your opinion, is a homophobe? Is it based on tolerance of other peoples actions or is it based on acceptance of other peoples thoughts?

It is essentially the equivalent of racist.  It's not my favorite word from an etymological standpoint, but it's the one that stuck.  I usually prefer the clunkier "anti-gay" but since we were going for hyperbole with the "militant gay" bit, I thought I would return in kind.


I know homophobe is the equivalent of racist and both are thrown around Fark with equal anonymity. My question was the difference between someone persecuting someone for their sexual preference as opposed to someone who disagrees that the sexual preference stated is normal. No where did I read where EdNortonsTwin said homosexuals should be persecuted for their sexual preference. You brought up people "parading their heterosexuality" but nowhere in the posted article did it say that he wasn't allowed to be photographed with his same sex date or was denied entrance to the school dance with his same sex date. If you could explain your agitation maybe you could educate others on how gays feel marginalized.
 
2014-03-20 08:24:24 PM  

Agatha Crispy: You brought up people "parading their heterosexuality" but nowhere in the posted article did it say that he wasn't allowed to be photographed with his same sex date or was denied entrance to the school dance with his same sex date. If you could explain your agitation maybe you could educate others on how gays feel marginalized.


It's rather simple.  We grow up in a world where 90% of the people are straight.  There is no need to pronounce ones heterosexuality because it permeates the culture.  When you are on the outside looking in you can see the difference.  You are made aware of your differences, especially in High School when hormones are raging and people start dating.  If you don't think that every boy and girl holding hands or dancing isn't a screaming declaration of heterosexuality to a gay teen, you'd be wrong.  Just because they don't say "I'm straight" doesn't mean it isn't there.

You appear to be playing a game of semantics.  I am talking about people and who they are.  And I would take good money that you would not get same-sex dancing in that yearbook either.
 
2014-03-20 08:33:22 PM  

snarfyboy: Agatha Crispy: You brought up people "parading their heterosexuality" but nowhere in the posted article did it say that he wasn't allowed to be photographed with his same sex date or was denied entrance to the school dance with his same sex date. If you could explain your agitation maybe you could educate others on how gays feel marginalized.

It's rather simple.  We grow up in a world where 90% of the people are straight.  There is no need to pronounce ones heterosexuality because it permeates the culture.  When you are on the outside looking in you can see the difference.  You are made aware of your differences, especially in High School when hormones are raging and people start dating.  If you don't think that every boy and girl holding hands or dancing isn't a screaming declaration of heterosexuality to a gay teen, you'd be wrong.  Just because they don't say "I'm straight" doesn't mean it isn't there.

You appear to be playing a game of semantics.  I am talking about people and who they are.  And I would take good money that you would not get same-sex dancing in that yearbook either.


And you would be wrong. Google Portuguese gay rights or Jose Socrates. I was the Minister of Female Sports the last two years. We have one of the most pro-gay legislation in the world. But we never attack people who do not agree. You seem to have gone through a lot and felt a lot of hurt because of it but it's no excuse to lash out at those who don't agree. Save your anger for those who mean you physical or monetary harm, not those who just disagree if being gay is normal or not. It doesn't matter what they think - you know who you are.
 
2014-03-20 08:40:07 PM  

Agatha Crispy: And you would be wrong. Google Portuguese gay rights or Jose Socrates. I was the Minister of Female Sports the last two years. We have one of the most pro-gay legislation in the world. But we never attack people who do not agree. You seem to have gone through a lot and felt a lot of hurt because of it but it's no excuse to lash out at those who don't agree. Save your anger for those who mean you physical or monetary harm, not those who just disagree if being gay is normal or not. It doesn't matter what they think - you know who you are.


I'm just an uppity gay, right?  No, I will spare everyone harm of any kind.  Little or small.  "An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

You think it's okay to withhold gay groups from events that others are allowed to go to?  You think that this school is right to tell this kid his story can't be heard?

Did you also think it was okay to force blacks to use different drinking fountains?  After all their was no monetary or physical harm there....
 
2014-03-20 08:54:01 PM  

snarfyboy: Agatha Crispy: And you would be wrong. Google Portuguese gay rights or Jose Socrates. I was the Minister of Female Sports the last two years. We have one of the most pro-gay legislation in the world. But we never attack people who do not agree. You seem to have gone through a lot and felt a lot of hurt because of it but it's no excuse to lash out at those who don't agree. Save your anger for those who mean you physical or monetary harm, not those who just disagree if being gay is normal or not. It doesn't matter what they think - you know who you are.

I'm just an uppity gay, right?  No, I will spare everyone harm of any kind.  Little or small.  "An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

You think it's okay to withhold gay groups from events that others are allowed to go to?  You think that this school is right to tell this kid his story can't be heard?

Did you also think it was okay to force blacks to use different drinking fountains?  After all their was no monetary or physical harm there....


Show me the "heterosexual only" fountain and you may be on to something. I'm beginning to think either you're not gay or you are fifteen years old - which one is it? You are equating the travails of people persecuted because their skin was black, something they couldn't hide, who were openly lynched and denied housing with a teenager who can't have their coming of age story printed in their high school yearbook? The article says eight stories weren't published - what were the other seven? Or don't you care? Seriously, you are either a misguided child and, if so I wish you only happiness, or a troll, in which case your a fifty year old fat progressive who will die soon anyway so no sweat off my back.
 
2014-03-20 09:00:31 PM  
Never mind. Just got a Google message which I usually wouldn't talk about but people like you set back gay rights in America more than you know. You're Farkied as such and can go crawl back under your rock.
 
2014-03-20 09:02:45 PM  

Agatha Crispy: Show me the "heterosexual only" fountain and you may be on to something.


You didn't answer my question.  What is the harm that was done with those drinking fountains.  According to you, it's not a problem if it isn't monetary or physical harm.  Clearly you do see something wrong with this, so what is it?

Agatha Crispy: You are equating the travails of people persecuted because their skin was black, something they couldn't hide, who were openly lynched and denied housing with a teenager who can't have their coming of age story printed in their high school yearbook?


You think gay people have not been lynched?  It is still legal to deny housing to gay people in most states as well.  So yes.  Apparently you missed my quote from Dr. Martin Luther King up there.  Perhaps you should go back and consider it.  And then realize that Corretta Scott King used it to describe why the black community cannot ignore the plight of the gay community.

Agatha Crispy: The article says eight stories weren't published - what were the other seven?


It doesn't matter.  The school made it clear that it was because it was about being gay.

Agatha Crispy: if so I wish you only happiness, or a troll, in which case your a fifty year old fat progressive who will die soon anyway so no sweat off my back.


... and now we see what a real charmer you are.
 
2014-03-20 09:07:33 PM  

snarfyboy: Agatha Crispy: Show me the "heterosexual only" fountain and you may be on to something.

You didn't answer my question.  What is the harm that was done with those drinking fountains.  According to you, it's not a problem if it isn't monetary or physical harm.  Clearly you do see something wrong with this, so what is it?

Agatha Crispy: You are equating the travails of people persecuted because their skin was black, something they couldn't hide, who were openly lynched and denied housing with a teenager who can't have their coming of age story printed in their high school yearbook?

You think gay people have not been lynched?  It is still legal to deny housing to gay people in most states as well.  So yes.  Apparently you missed my quote from Dr. Martin Luther King up there.  Perhaps you should go back and consider it.  And then realize that Corretta Scott King used it to describe why the black community cannot ignore the plight of the gay community.

Agatha Crispy: The article says eight stories weren't published - what were the other seven?

It doesn't matter.  The school made it clear that it was because it was about being gay.

Agatha Crispy: if so I wish you only happiness, or a troll, in which case your a fifty year old fat progressive who will die soon anyway so no sweat off my back.

... and now we see what a real charmer you are.


As mentioned above, Google Chat messaged me - I guess it's against Fark rules to expose but...you've been exposed. You are a sorry excuse for a person to do this and if I'm banned, I'm banned. It's worth it.
 
2014-03-20 09:09:21 PM  

Agatha Crispy: As mentioned above, Google Chat messaged me - I guess it's against Fark rules to expose but...you've been exposed. You are a sorry excuse for a person to do this and if I'm banned, I'm banned. It's worth it.


Exposed as what?  If you are getting chats from someone claiming to be me, it isn't me. The only other thing I am doing right now is work.
 
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