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2014-03-19 02:00:20 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: The fundamental problem of the internet is that anyone is allowed to participate, regardless of how utterly retarded or completely ignorant they may be.


Democracy has the same problem.
 
2014-03-19 02:00:22 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: This made me LOL.

[pbs.twimg.com image 499x411]


May I steal that?
 
2014-03-19 02:00:29 PM  

GanjSmokr: "The official line of anti-choicers..."

I'm pro-choice, but saying "pro-lifers" are "anti-choicers" is about as stupid as saying "pro-choicers" are "anti-lifers".


When these same "pro-lifers" are for the death penalty I think 'anti-choice' is a more accurate term.
 
2014-03-19 02:00:44 PM  

atomic-age: Nabb1: sigdiamond2000: reprobate1125: I think that recognizing that you're too self-absorbed to have children is a good thing.

I do too, but for some people, there is no good reason not to have children. A lot of people can't even process the concept of not wanting children, so they assume something is wrong with people who don't.

Those people are just as wrong as people who can't think of any justification for having kids. Parenting is hard work. You can't put yourself first again until they are able to take care of themselves. It's not for everyone. I know irresponsible people who shouldn't have kids and great people who would make great parents if they tried but choose not to.

and it's not any of your business either way.


I didn't say that it was. She's the one who wrote a column about it.
 
2014-03-19 02:01:11 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: "You would make a great mother" is the one I always get.

No, I don't think so. I would be frazzled. I seem to be great with kids because I get to go home and recharge in between visits.


That or the other variation. "But you're so good with kids!"

Yeah, I am good with kids.  I'm good with kids because I only have to spend a finite amount of time around them, and then they go away.
 
2014-03-19 02:01:54 PM  

Savage Belief: Twitter troll writes article aboit the responses she got from the twitter troll she twatted. Film at eleven.


Hey look, it's another farker who doesn't know how to read or type!
 
2014-03-19 02:02:58 PM  

lockers: meat0918: Is this really a problem for some people?

In the grand scheme of things, no. In her twitter-trollverse? absolutely.


^^^ this is really it, she's just trying to stir up readership.
 
2014-03-19 02:03:08 PM  

Utter Genius: Except she didn't simply state she "doesn't want to have children". She wrote a deliberately-provocative article describing children as time-consuming monsters, then went into damsel-in-distress mode the moment the people she provoked fired invective back at her.

In other words she's a click-baiting troll.


Aaaaaaannnnddddddd we're done here.

Authoress reeks of self-absorbed douchebaggery.

What's the female equivalent of the fedora? Because that's definitely the vibe I'm getting here.
 
2014-03-19 02:03:36 PM  
Phone Numbers and Dick Pics?
 
2014-03-19 02:04:34 PM  
She seems like a pleasant person.

That being said, who gives a fark whether or not other people choose to have children? I don't give a crap if you don't want kids, and I don't need you sneering at me and calling me a "breeder" because I chose to have a family. Maybe we should all just concentrate a little more on our own lives and stop trying to tell everyone else how to live theirs.
 
2014-03-19 02:04:45 PM  

Utter Genius: Except she didn't simply state she "doesn't want to have children". She wrote a deliberately-provocative article describing children as time-consuming monsters, then went into damsel-in-distress mode the moment the people she provoked fired invective back at her.

In other words she's a click-baiting troll.


I hate to piss from a great height upon the new  Library of Alexandria, but isn't "stir up sh*t, sell ads by the hit count, watch people furiously revile your 'position' from behind their ISP" pretty most of the internet that isn't naked people and spam?  I mean, if anybody with an IQ larger than their shoe size met any of the people cranking out this twaddle IRL, they'd lend then all of the credibility of a raccoon who found a typewriter.  And should.  It's not just the anonymity, it's the pissant authority poses that we eat with a fork and shovel.
 
2014-03-19 02:04:53 PM  

Random Internet Persona: Cerebral Ballsy: "You would make a great mother" is the one I always get.

No, I don't think so. I would be frazzled. I seem to be great with kids because I get to go home and recharge in between visits.

That or the other variation. "But you're so good with kids!"

Yeah, I am good with kids.  I'm good with kids because I only have to spend a finite amount of time around them, and then they go away.


Exactly. As much as I've enjoyed spending time with the kids in my life, it was always nice to give them back to their parents at the end of the day. :)

Parenting is a 24/7 job. Some of us just aren't cut out to do it.
 
2014-03-19 02:05:15 PM  
 

Rapmaster2000: A hysterectomy costs about 10 grand with time off of work for recovery thrown in. I'd say you're out about $15k on average.

A vasectomy makes more sense because it's reversible, you don't have final control over whether the child is birthed, and you're fertile for the rest of your life.

Sure it isn't cheap but if you are serious about it then why not cough up the money. Would it not be easier and cheaper in the long run? Using her logic, if her birth control failed she would get an abortion, how much do those run? And what happens if she gets pregnant again?

An abortion runs about $300. Regardless, if the goal is to not have children then simply not getting pregnant would be logical. There are many ways to do that without that surgery. You've over thought the problem and chosen the biggest and most expensive solution when that isn't needed. Most women can avoid pregnancy without resorting to surgery.


Hysterectomies also wreak HAVOC on the woman's system, because it prematurely alters her hormonal balance. I asked about it many times, and was told "no competent doctor would perform a hysterectomy on any woman who did not have a serious health issue." A woman can get an IUD or the permanent Essure procedure, both which cost far less and do not wreck the woman's hormonal balance.

Essure is roughly the equivalent of a vasectomy.
A hysterectomy is roughly the equivalent of castration and removal of all testosterone from a man.
 
2014-03-19 02:05:29 PM  

TheExcalibur: Can't we just all agree anything with a heart beat has rights and go from there?

This pro-choice pro-life rhetoric/garbage just hides the fact that no one wants to sit down and define what constitutes "life"


Not when anti-choicers put up billboards that claim there's a heartbeat at 18 days, no.
 
2014-03-19 02:06:23 PM  

Nabb1: After reading that article, I think she is making the right call because she comes off as way too self-absorbed to be a parent.


If only some people could figure that out too before they have children, the world may work out a little better.
 
2014-03-19 02:06:48 PM  

TheExcalibur: Can't we just all agree anything with a heart beat legal birth certificate has rights and go from there?

This pro-choice pro-life rhetoric/garbage just hides the fact that no one wants to sit down and define what constitutes "life"


Okay, there you go. We cool?
 
2014-03-19 02:07:27 PM  

flynn80: Phone Numbers and Dick Pics?


No no, that only happens on TFD.
 
2014-03-19 02:07:40 PM  

reprobate1125: I think that recognizing that you're too self-absorbed to have children is a good thing.

I'm there.


Even better if your spouse agrees. My brother has always felt that he did not want to be a father and got a vasectomy after a decade of marriage
 
2014-03-19 02:07:46 PM  

Philibuster: My wife and I get constantly asked when we are going to have kids. She's 28 I'm 29, and we have absolutely no interest in having them. She works with kids daily, and I work with sick kids daily, that is more than enough for us.

I have heard everything on the bingo board at least twice...I don't understand what is so damn interesting about my reproductive status for uninvolved parties.


Shooting blanks, eh?
 
2014-03-19 02:08:07 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: TheExcalibur: Can't we just all agree anything with a heart beat legal birth certificate has rights and go from there?

This pro-choice pro-life rhetoric/garbage just hides the fact that no one wants to sit down and define what constitutes "life"

Okay, there you go. We cool?


OH GOD! OUR PRESIDENT ISN'T HUMAN!
 
2014-03-19 02:08:07 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: TheExcalibur: Can't we just all agree anything with a heart beat legal birth certificate has rights and go from there?

This pro-choice pro-life rhetoric/garbage just hides the fact that no one wants to sit down and define what constitutes "life"

Okay, there you go. We cool?


So if your heart stops, call a lawyer?   :  )
 
2014-03-19 02:09:14 PM  

the ha ha guy: GanjSmokr: "The official line of anti-choicers..."

I'm pro-choice, but saying "pro-lifers" are "anti-choicers" is about as stupid as saying "pro-choicers" are "anti-lifers".

Pro-choice = "It's your choice to terminate the pregnancy."
Pro-life = "Your pregnancy must be maintained at all costs."
Anti-choice = "You don't have a choice, you must have children or you're a failure as a human being."


Anti-life =

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-19 02:10:25 PM  

limeyfellow: Nabb1: After reading that article, I think she is making the right call because she comes off as way too self-absorbed to be a parent.

If only some people could figure that out too before they have children, the world may work out a little better.


Totally agree.
 
2014-03-19 02:10:34 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [blog.estately.com image 777x419]


I'd really like to get that for my car but I figure it would end up being keyed because of it.

/would also park in expectant mothers spots if I didn't care about getting keyed.
 
2014-03-19 02:12:07 PM  
For what it is worth mrs rapist always wanted kids. I always figured I would knock up someone one way or another. We are both 28 and have a 5 year old son. Her and I even split up for a couple years not long after my son was born.

back together and happy again. Even if we do live far apart. The 3 of us are spending a week in the dominican next month.

without our son we probably would have parted company never to be seen again. Having a child made us a family. Made us stronger. And really I havent had such a good time as when I am wrestling with the boy. Having a kid will change you. I was little more than a wildman till my little guy came along.

that all being said I can fully understand why some folk do not want kids. They are work and diapers suck. Keep in mind one day yours will need changing again to.
 
2014-03-19 02:12:10 PM  
A lot of the pressure to have kids is also of the religious "Be fruitful and multiply" variety. Every sperm is sacred! Every egg even more so, so get crackin'. Even though most Christians have pulled back from being "Quiverfull" types, it's probably still a majority opinion that you owe it to God to have at least a few kids.

Scientifically, it's just a natural part of life. Organisms procreate. Among something like rabbits, the population would balloon until checked by the exhaustion of resources, and then those that aren't predated die of starvation (and in some organisms, fertility decreases in times of limited resources). But maybe having the intelligence to not procreate is also a natural population check. We're certainly not endangered. At the moment.
 
2014-03-19 02:12:23 PM  
stupid phone ....

15 years into marriage his wife started in about adopting. Long story short, he's a dad now and he's a giid dad, but is definitely not into it. SIL is a great mom so I suppose it all evens out.
 
2014-03-19 02:13:53 PM  

Boo_Guy: would also park in expectant mothers spots if I didn't care about getting keyed.


I do this ALL the time. Seriously, they're just knocked up, not crippled; I don't think it'll kill them to walk a few extra feet.
 
2014-03-19 02:14:01 PM  

udhq: Meh, this is Amanda Marcotte, the author who all but accused a kid of rape for asking a celebrity to his prom over youtube.  Take her with a grain of salt.


That may well be. But if writing stuff on the Internet means she's self-absorbed, so is everyone here. img.fark.net
 
2014-03-19 02:14:04 PM  
Boo_Guy:

/would also park in expectant mothers spots if I didn't care about getting keyed.

Calm down, Denis Leary.

or

Calm down, Vincent Vega.
 
2014-03-19 02:14:57 PM  
Simply this: because I don't believe in being forced by law to take care of things that smell bad and poop themselves.
 
2014-03-19 02:16:36 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: TheExcalibur: Can't we just all agree anything with a heart beat legal birth certificate has rights and go from there?

This pro-choice pro-life rhetoric/garbage just hides the fact that no one wants to sit down and define what constitutes "life"

Okay, there you go. We cool?


About as unlikely to fly as has a heartbeat.

Also, severe failure modes. Plenty of places in the world where birth certificates aren't a thing or are only intermitently a thing. Don't one to unperson those folks.

I propose rights beginning when your thinkmeats turn on.
 
2014-03-19 02:17:01 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: People shouldn't care who has kids or who doesn't. My only question for her is this. If you don't want kids why not get your tubes tied? And doctors shouldn't be able to ask why, just do it. Same for guys getting a vasectomy. The reasons don't matter. It's what they want.


Tubal ligation involves invasive surgery, and is much more dangerous and much more expensive than having an abortion, should your preferred form of birth control fail.

Vasectomy is a different story.  I realized long ago that I wasn't interested in procreating, so I had one.  I understand that there are lots of men who are afraid of getting one, but it really is no big deal.  Unfortunately, a vasectomy does not address the main issue: A woman's right to have control over her body.
 
2014-03-19 02:17:18 PM  

Philibuster: My wife and I get constantly asked when we are going to have kids. She's 28 I'm 29, and we have absolutely no interest in having them. She works with kids daily, and I work with sick kids daily, that is more than enough for us.

I have heard everything on the bingo board at least twice...I don't understand what is so damn interesting about my reproductive status for uninvolved parties.


Man, I hear you. I'm twice your age and my wife and I decided not to have kids when we were about your age. We were ragged on by parents for years. A lot of people don'r give a flying damn, but others care a lot. Why do they care? I know why: they know they made the wrong choice and they cannot stand that you made the right one. Being a parent is definitely not all it is cracked up to be and is something that one should do only if one really, really wants it bad. Many people don't really want it at all but cave to family and friends who use the Breeder Bingo platitudes on them,

My elder sister (who never gave me any crap about not having kids) used to gush over how great her kids were, how much she loved them, how glad she had them in her life, etc. It was tiresome to her all the time. But then when her kids were out of the house and off to college, she was visiting and.after a few stiff ones, she admitted that though she loves her children, if she had it to do over, she would not have had them. She said that she had given up too much and that she had always understood why I chose a childless life.
 
2014-03-19 02:17:43 PM  

Nabb1: She then took umbrage when some people took issue with her opinions (and some of those angry comments she highlighted were directed at her calling children "time-sucking monsters")


 No sane person with children would take umbrage at that description.
 
2014-03-19 02:17:45 PM  

Cletus C.: Philibuster: My wife and I get constantly asked when we are going to have kids. She's 28 I'm 29, and we have absolutely no interest in having them. She works with kids daily, and I work with sick kids daily, that is more than enough for us.

I have heard everything on the bingo board at least twice...I don't understand what is so damn interesting about my reproductive status for uninvolved parties.

Shooting blanks, eh?


Could be! I'd say that would be working my favor anyway.

NTTIAWWT
 
2014-03-19 02:17:47 PM  

TheExcalibur: Can't we just all agree anything with a heart beat has rights and go from there?

This pro-choice pro-life rhetoric/garbage just hides the fact that no one wants to sit down and define what constitutes "life"


Not that it has anything to do with the thread, but how about: "once it can survive outside of the womb on its own"?  Until then, it's a parasite.
 
2014-03-19 02:20:54 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [blog.estately.com image 777x419]


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-03-19 02:20:59 PM  

ginandbacon: The idea of blaming women for not having children when it is such a burden in this country is flat out misogyny. What about all the childless men? Are they monsters? Do we look at them and think awful things about them?


I think the major problem most had with this persons decisions was that despite saying she never wanted children, she would still rather kill an unborn child rather than get her tubes tied.

You don't want kids, cool, there's too many of us as it is, but don't spout that you're going to use Abortion to kill off any "oopsies" that occur simply because you don't want kids, but didn't bother to take care of the potential problem permanently, and expect the pro-lifers to not make hay over it.
 
2014-03-19 02:21:16 PM  

Elegy: Utter Genius: Except she didn't simply state she "doesn't want to have children". She wrote a deliberately-provocative article describing children as time-consuming monsters, then went into damsel-in-distress mode the moment the people she provoked fired invective back at her.

In other words she's a click-baiting troll.

Aaaaaaannnnddddddd we're done here.

Authoress reeks of self-absorbed douchebaggery.

What's the female equivalent of the fedora? Because that's definitely the vibe I'm getting here.


You know, everything doesn't deserve a response. The real issue here isn't this supposedly self-absorbed woman. The real story here is the little people who get ENRAGED and PROVOKED by someone expressing their opinion that children are monsters. HOW DARE SHE!!1!!!1!

What the fark does anyone care for? How is she being "provacative"? I don't believe she called anyone out by name. She's just posting her opinion for those who want to read it. Now, if she's self-absorbed, what do you call the person who goes to HER Twitter feed, sees an opinion that they disagree with and starts calling her all kinds of whores and lonely twats because they disagree?
 
2014-03-19 02:22:58 PM  

someonelse: Nabb1: She then took umbrage when some people took issue with her opinions (and some of those angry comments she highlighted were directed at her calling children "time-sucking monsters")

 No sane person with children would take umbrage at that description.


This.  Very much this.  My much-loved two-year-old is climbing on my back as I write this.
 
2014-03-19 02:23:02 PM  

JackieRabbit: Philibuster: My wife and I get constantly asked when we are going to have kids. She's 28 I'm 29, and we have absolutely no interest in having them. She works with kids daily, and I work with sick kids daily, that is more than enough for us.

I have heard everything on the bingo board at least twice...I don't understand what is so damn interesting about my reproductive status for uninvolved parties.

Man, I hear you. I'm twice your age and my wife and I decided not to have kids when we were about your age. We were ragged on by parents for years. A lot of people don'r give a flying damn, but others care a lot. Why do they care? I know why: they know they made the wrong choice and they cannot stand that you made the right one. Being a parent is definitely not all it is cracked up to be and is something that one should do only if one really, really wants it bad. Many people don't really want it at all but cave to family and friends who use the Breeder Bingo platitudes on them,

My elder sister (who never gave me any crap about not having kids) used to gush over how great her kids were, how much she loved them, how glad she had them in her life, etc. It was tiresome to her all the time. But then when her kids were out of the house and off to college, she was visiting and.after a few stiff ones, she admitted that though she loves her children, if she had it to do over, she would not have had them. She said that she had given up too much and that she had always understood why I chose a childless life.


We are lucky, my family honestly does not care about growing the tree. My elder brother and his wife feel the same, and both my mom and dad are content with us being happy. My wife and I have 2 nieces and nephews (1 each from my step sister and her half brother) that we are perfectly happy to spoil on holidays, then hand them back.
 
2014-03-19 02:23:58 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I really get tired of people insisting that me and my wife would be great parents. We bloody well know that we'd be terrible at it, so why put ourselves and some innocent kid through that gauntlet.


I get told I'd make a great mother because I am very good with the few very close friends I have.  Yes, but they're my friends.

Babies and kids flat-out annoy me. That would make me a horrible mother and I have known this pretty much since I was a kid myself and didn't even play baby dolls. I have about a 10-minute threshold with even the coolest kid before I've had enough.  So they follow up with "but it would be different if it was your own." WHY? I'd never be able to get away from it. I'm very noise sensitive, I hate the sound of a crying/screaming baby/kid, and YES, I am selfish. I like being in a band, seeing bands, randomly driving to Rhode Island because it seemed like a good idea, getting drunk when I feel like it, spending the money I do have on clothes and toys and books for myself and my boyfriends.... And I'm FINE with this.

Anyway, I'm 39. You'd think at some point, people would realize I'm a bit too old, FAR too immature (I have to place my mental age somewhere around late 20s), FAR from marrying anyone, and without the resources to live a life that made me happy AND support a kid.

Yet they keep pushing. And that's why people who decided to not have kids -- for whatever reason -- get pissed off. I don't walk around asking everyone with a kid why they had one, or why they had three, why does my choice matter so much to them?
 
2014-03-19 02:24:11 PM  
"In the past, friends who've become parents have told me that I'm selfish because I don't want to have kids and share my time, money, and freedom with offspring. I tell them that I may indeed be selfish, but it's equally narcissistic of them to look around and say, 'You know what this place needs? More of ME.'"
 -- Me

/this chick's still a miserable coont
 
2014-03-19 02:24:19 PM  
Ned Stark:

I propose rights beginning when your thinkmeats turn on.

search "pro rights sodahead" click on "Abortion: The third view."
 
2014-03-19 02:24:36 PM  

CanisNoir: ginandbacon: The idea of blaming women for not having children when it is such a burden in this country is flat out misogyny. What about all the childless men? Are they monsters? Do we look at them and think awful things about them?

I think the major problem most had with this persons decisions was that despite saying she never wanted children, she would still rather kill an unborn child rather than get her tubes tied.

You don't want kids, cool, there's too many of us as it is, but don't spout that you're going to use Abortion to kill off any "oopsies" that occur simply because you don't want kids, but didn't bother to take care of the potential problem permanently, and expect the pro-lifers to not make hay over it.



Who the fark are you or anyone to tell a woman what sort of birth control she HAS to use to be acceptable in your eyes? Again, who are the real self-absorbed people in this?
 
2014-03-19 02:25:02 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: What the fark does anyone care for? How is she being "provacative"? I don't believe she called anyone out by name. She's just posting her opinion for those who want to read it. Now, if she's self-absorbed, what do you call the person who goes to HER Twitter feed, sees an opinion that they disagree with and starts calling her all kinds of whores and lonely twats because they disagree?


They are also self-absorbed.
 
2014-03-19 02:25:54 PM  

GhettoWinter: When these same "pro-lifers" are for the death penalty I think 'anti-choice' is a more accurate term.


Not really, considering the death penalty involves someone who chose to act in such a way that the punishment for their crime is the death penalty, where as the unborn child is innocent of any wrong doing and does not deserve death.

If you can't see the difference, well, maybe you're not looking hard enough.
 
2014-03-19 02:26:10 PM  

Rapmaster2000: miscreant: Rapmaster2000: A hysterectomy costs about 10 grand with time off of work for recovery thrown in. I'd say you're out about $15k on average.

A tubal ligation is not a hysterectomy.

Look, pal, I have a GED in medicine so I know what I"m talking about.  The name is Dr. Rapmaster2000:  GED.

I didn't drop out of medical school and then take an equivalency test to go around being called just Rapmaster2000.

/is not an expert on women's health


But is a Master of Rap.
 
2014-03-19 02:26:11 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: CanisNoir: ginandbacon: The idea of blaming women for not having children when it is such a burden in this country is flat out misogyny. What about all the childless men? Are they monsters? Do we look at them and think awful things about them?

I think the major problem most had with this persons decisions was that despite saying she never wanted children, she would still rather kill an unborn child rather than get her tubes tied.

You don't want kids, cool, there's too many of us as it is, but don't spout that you're going to use Abortion to kill off any "oopsies" that occur simply because you don't want kids, but didn't bother to take care of the potential problem permanently, and expect the pro-lifers to not make hay over it.


Who the fark are you or anyone to tell a woman what sort of birth control she HAS to use to be acceptable in your eyes? Again, who are the real self-absorbed people in this?


I see you've never engaged with Canis before. Enjoy!
 
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