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2014-03-19 11:15:22 AM
Yes, yes.. people who express their opinions over opinions you've expressed are assholes.  We know that.
 
2014-03-19 11:18:05 AM
After reading that article, I think she is making the right call because she comes off as way too self-absorbed to be a parent.
 
2014-03-19 11:24:27 AM
The fundamental problem of the internet is that anyone is allowed to participate, regardless of how utterly retarded or completely ignorant they may be.
 
2014-03-19 11:31:17 AM
I think that recognizing that you're too self-absorbed to have children is a good thing.

I'm there.
 
2014-03-19 11:35:44 AM

reprobate1125: I think that recognizing that you're too self-absorbed to have children is a good thing.


I do too, but for some people, there is no good reason not to have children. A lot of people can't even process the concept of not wanting children, so they assume something is wrong with people who don't.
 
2014-03-19 11:38:40 AM

sigdiamond2000: reprobate1125: I think that recognizing that you're too self-absorbed to have children is a good thing.

I do too, but for some people, there is no good reason not to have children. A lot of people can't even process the concept of not wanting children, so they assume something is wrong with people who don't.


Those people are just as wrong as people who can't think of any justification for having kids. Parenting is hard work. You can't put yourself first again until they are able to take care of themselves. It's not for everyone. I know irresponsible people who shouldn't have kids and great people who would make great parents if they tried but choose not to.
 
2014-03-19 11:41:13 AM

Nabb1: sigdiamond2000: reprobate1125: I think that recognizing that you're too self-absorbed to have children is a good thing.

I do too, but for some people, there is no good reason not to have children. A lot of people can't even process the concept of not wanting children, so they assume something is wrong with people who don't.

Those people are just as wrong as people who can't think of any justification for having kids. Parenting is hard work. You can't put yourself first again until they are able to take care of themselves. It's not for everyone. I know irresponsible people who shouldn't have kids and great people who would make great parents if they tried but choose not to.


I agree.
 
2014-03-19 11:43:06 AM

Nabb1: After reading that article, I think she is making the right call because she comes off as way too self-absorbed to be a parent.


Which is exactly why I am never going to have kids. I wish more people would be honest with themselves about parenthood.
 
2014-03-19 11:46:02 AM

Nabb1: sigdiamond2000: reprobate1125: I think that recognizing that you're too self-absorbed to have children is a good thing.

I do too, but for some people, there is no good reason not to have children. A lot of people can't even process the concept of not wanting children, so they assume something is wrong with people who don't.

Those people are just as wrong as people who can't think of any justification for having kids. Parenting is hard work. You can't put yourself first again until they are able to take care of themselves. It's not for everyone. I know irresponsible people who shouldn't have kids and great people who would make great parents if they tried but choose not to.


people think my wife and I would make great parents (don't ask me why, I have no bloody idea) - neither of us really want kids, and we get a ton of shiat for it from people who think they know everything about our lives and how we live.  Why do people (not saying you) have to tell us that we are horrible people for the decisions we make in our lives?
 
2014-03-19 11:46:11 AM
I'm definitely not trying to sound all self-righteous because my job sounds a lot better than I personally am, but I've dedicated my life to building orphanages and clinics around the world and that would be extremely difficult to do if I had kids. Notice that I didn't say impossibly, but I've chosen to (some would say sacrifice) by not having kids of my own be able to help a lot more kids.
 
2014-03-19 12:07:02 PM

Nabb1: After reading that article, I think she is making the right call because she comes off as way too self-absorbed to be a parent.


I don't get self absorbed at all. She doesn't want kids, and she doesn't want to deal with people who either a) tell her she'll change her mind or b) ask what's wrong with her

Believe me. It's farking annoying when people feel that your fertility is a topic of conversation.
 
2014-03-19 12:14:41 PM
When only one segment of a population is subjected to limitations on their right to determine the course of their lives, something is wrong in that society.

This conversation isn't about children. It's about women and how free or not they are. Having children is a leading cause of poverty in this country for women. We do not have free preschools run by the government. We do not offer paid maternity leave. Pregnancy is very hard on women physically and is actually more dangerous than abortions. And children are insanely expensive.

I love children. I have many in my life and I enjoy playing with them. Cooking with and for them. Even watching Dora. I was a nanny for a life-long friend and her wonderful husband for six years. The eldest is getting her driver's license today and I am more than a little traumatized by that fact.

I am not selfish. I am not lazy. Or fickle. But I never wanted children.

And I am not alone. Fewer women are choosing to have children. And fewer are having abortions. BC is almost completely effective and almost universally available. (Now finally.) I imagine those rates will continue to decline as millions of women gain access to control over their bodies.

The idea of blaming women for not having children when it is such a burden in this country is flat out misogyny. What about all the childless men? Are they monsters? Do we look at them and think awful things about them?
 
2014-03-19 12:17:55 PM

what_now: Nabb1: After reading that article, I think she is making the right call because she comes off as way too self-absorbed to be a parent.

I don't get self absorbed at all. She doesn't want kids, and she doesn't want to deal with people who either a) tell her she'll change her mind or b) ask what's wrong with her

Believe me. It's farking annoying when people feel that your fertility is a topic of conversation.


She wrote and published a column about her fertility choices. She then took umbrage when some people took issue with her opinions (and some of those angry comments she highlighted were directed at her calling children "time-sucking monsters") and wrote another column about how dare they! Okay, fine, it's her choice and her choice alone, but when you go around writing columns calling children "time-sucking monsters", you are obviously trying to goad people into a response, and whose time would be "sucked" if she had kids? Hers. Yes, her time is so precious that any offspring that she bore would be "monsters" for daring to demand any of it. Her entire position revolves around "me, me, me, me, me" and most of her preceding column was devoted to demeaning and belittling people who don't agree with her philosophy and then a bunch of self-absorbed twaddle about how unappealing everything is to her.

Oh, and she's a terrible writer.
 
2014-03-19 12:25:01 PM

what_now: Nabb1: After reading that article, I think she is making the right call because she comes off as way too self-absorbed to be a parent.

I don't get self absorbed at all. She doesn't want kids, and she doesn't want to deal with people who either a) tell her she'll change her mind or b) ask what's wrong with her

Believe me. It's farking annoying when people feel that your fertility is a topic of conversation.


So ... you ovulating?
 
2014-03-19 12:33:37 PM
I may look at a person/couple and think WTF are they doing with a child.  Based on my opinion of their intelligence, personal choices and lifestyle (not sexuality, way of living) it just seems stupid as hell for them to have a baby.

I may look at people and say they should NEVER have children because I don't believe they are cut out to be parents.

But I will never question a person/couple who have determined that they do not want to become parents.  They know their life so much better than I do and know something that I don't about it which says "no children for me".

Like the person up thread who doesn't want children because they build orphanages and clinics around the world.  They made a tough for them choice not to have children so they can help so many more.
 
2014-03-19 12:52:08 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The fundamental problem of the internet is that anyone is allowed to participate, regardless of how utterly retarded or completely ignorant they may be.


You could say the same thing about parenting.
 
2014-03-19 01:09:55 PM

BizarreMan: I may look at people and say they should NEVER have children because I don't believe they are cut out to be parents.

But I will never question a person/couple who have determined that they do not want to become parents.



Bingo.
 
2014-03-19 01:10:29 PM
I thought Tweets had to be short and to the point.  If you want to terse it up a bit, I suggest going with this John Water's gem...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdTcPLDxcu0
 
2014-03-19 01:26:37 PM
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/oblig
 
2014-03-19 01:27:26 PM

James!: Marcus Aurelius: The fundamental problem of the internet is that anyone is allowed to participate, regardless of how utterly retarded or completely ignorant they may be.

You could say the same thing about parenting.



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2014-03-19 01:27:33 PM
How dare you take my provocative comment offensively!
 
2014-03-19 01:29:27 PM
I keep hearing that Twitter is used for revolutions and empowerment all across the Middle East, but all I see it used for is public slapfights between loudmouths.

Maybe they get a different Twitter than we do.
 
2014-03-19 01:30:42 PM
Oh boy...

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2014-03-19 01:31:15 PM

HawgWild: what_now: Nabb1: After reading that article, I think she is making the right call because she comes off as way too self-absorbed to be a parent.

I don't get self absorbed at all. She doesn't want kids, and she doesn't want to deal with people who either a) tell her she'll change her mind or b) ask what's wrong with her

Believe me. It's farking annoying when people feel that your fertility is a topic of conversation.

So ... you ovulating?


Ovulating stripes make more money on average than ones that aren't. Men can tell. I know I can.
 
2014-03-19 01:31:57 PM
Some people should not have kids.  I consider it a gift to the human race if they figure this out before they breed.  Instead of criticizing these people we should be honoring them.
 
2014-03-19 01:32:17 PM

Rapmaster2000: I keep hearing that Twitter is used for revolutions and empowerment all across the Middle East, but all I see it used for is public slapfights between loudmouths.

Maybe they get a different Twitter than we do.


It's almost like they built a platform specifically for narcissistic idiots.
 
2014-03-19 01:32:17 PM

Cymbal: HawgWild: what_now: Nabb1: After reading that article, I think she is making the right call because she comes off as way too self-absorbed to be a parent.

I don't get self absorbed at all. She doesn't want kids, and she doesn't want to deal with people who either a) tell her she'll change her mind or b) ask what's wrong with her

Believe me. It's farking annoying when people feel that your fertility is a topic of conversation.

So ... you ovulating?

Ovulating stripes make more money on average than ones that aren't. Men can tell. I know I can.


Strippers, not stripes. Heh.
 
2014-03-19 01:32:22 PM
People shouldn't care who has kids or who doesn't. My only question for her is this. If you don't want kids why not get your tubes tied? And doctors shouldn't be able to ask why, just do it. Same for guys getting a vasectomy. The reasons don't matter. It's what they want.
 
2014-03-19 01:32:23 PM
This made me LOL.

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2014-03-19 01:32:30 PM
Meh, this is Amanda Marcotte, the author who all but accused a kid of rape for asking a celebrity to his prom over youtube.  Take her with a grain of salt.
 
2014-03-19 01:32:48 PM
A feminist is someone with the radical notion that women are men's rightful superiors.
 
2014-03-19 01:33:19 PM

vartian: Nabb1: After reading that article, I think she is making the right call because she comes off as way too self-absorbed to be a parent.

Which is exactly why I am never going to have kids. I wish more people would be honest with themselves about parenthood.


I really get tired of people insisting that me and my wife would be great parents. We bloody well know that we'd be terrible at it, so why put ourselves and some innocent kid through that gauntlet.
 
2014-03-19 01:34:08 PM

ManateeGag


Why do people (not saying you) have to tell us that we are horrible people for the decisions we make in our lives?


Because your decisions are not the same as theirs and they are now terrified that they made the wrong choices.

Or they never actually realized that they had a choice (e.g. not to have kids), went with the flow, and are now terrified that they made the wrong choices.
 
2014-03-19 01:34:10 PM

vartian: Which is exactly why I am never going to have kids. I wish more people would be honest with themselves about parenthood.


I used to say this and mean it.  But after I became a parent I realized how wrong I was.  I can't imagine my life without my daughter, she's awesome.
 
2014-03-19 01:34:17 PM
Can we just agree that all involved here come of as looking slightly douche-tastic?
 
2014-03-19 01:34:19 PM
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2014-03-19 01:34:50 PM
My wife and I get constantly asked when we are going to have kids. She's 28 I'm 29, and we have absolutely no interest in having them. She works with kids daily, and I work with sick kids daily, that is more than enough for us.

I have heard everything on the bingo board at least twice...I don't understand what is so damn interesting about my reproductive status for uninvolved parties.
 
2014-03-19 01:34:54 PM
I'm almost 43 years old. I didn't want kids early on in life and I sure as fark don't want any now. I feel like I'm doing society a favor.
 
2014-03-19 01:34:59 PM
"The official line of anti-choicers..."

I'm pro-choice, but saying "pro-lifers" are "anti-choicers" is about as stupid as saying "pro-choicers" are "anti-lifers".
 
2014-03-19 01:35:40 PM

lockers: Rapmaster2000: I keep hearing that Twitter is used for revolutions and empowerment all across the Middle East, but all I see it used for is public slapfights between loudmouths.

Maybe they get a different Twitter than we do.

It's almost like they built a platform specifically for narcissistic idiots.


I thought that was Facebook?
 
2014-03-19 01:36:30 PM

ristst: vartian: Which is exactly why I am never going to have kids. I wish more people would be honest with themselves about parenthood.

I used to say this and mean it.  But after I became a parent I realized how wrong I was.  I can't imagine my life without my daughter, she's awesome.


In other words, you are wrong vartian, you clearly don't know yourself as well as ristst does.
 
2014-03-19 01:37:28 PM

Unoriginal_Username: People shouldn't care who has kids or who doesn't. My only question for her is this. If you don't want kids why not get your tubes tied? And doctors shouldn't be able to ask why, just do it. Same for guys getting a vasectomy. The reasons don't matter. It's what they want.


A hysterectomy costs about 10 grand with time off of work for recovery thrown in.  I'd say you're out about $15k on average.

A vasectomy makes more sense because it's reversible, you don't have final control over whether the child is birthed, and you're fertile for the rest of your life.
 
2014-03-19 01:37:48 PM
Sooooo.... anal then?
 
2014-03-19 01:37:54 PM

H31N0US: I thought that was Facebook?


Facebook was built for people who want to post pics of their kids for grandma.
 
2014-03-19 01:38:24 PM

Philibuster: My wife and I get constantly asked when we are going to have kids. She's 28 I'm 29, and we have absolutely no interest in having them. She works with kids daily, and I work with sick kids daily, that is more than enough for us.

I have heard everything on the bingo board at least twice...I don't understand what is so damn interesting about my reproductive status for uninvolved parties.


When people ask if Mrs. PCoC and I have kids, I always tell them, "Oh, we can't have kids."

The reason I do this is because about half the time, the person will say, "Really? Why not?"

And then I can reply, "Because we farkin' hate them."
 
2014-03-19 01:38:32 PM
Wait, so they used racial slurs against her?
 
2014-03-19 01:38:36 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: [img.fark.net image 400x462]

/oblig


Missing a couple squares: "Good; please don't have kids. They would probably be self absorbed assholes, too" and "Yay, more resources for my kids!"
 
2014-03-19 01:39:37 PM
Is this really a problem for some people?

It's not like she's purposely getting knocked up and having serial abortions, but rather taking the appropriate steps to prevent pregnancy in the first place.

Besides, do the fundies really want another feminist (probable atheist as well) advocate running around in 20 years?

//I say, I say that last part's a joke, flew right by ya didn't it.
icons.iconarchive.com .
 
2014-03-19 01:39:51 PM
I always used to get the "You would make such a great Dad" line from people.
HOW the F*CK do they know? So annoying. I might be an OK person in general, but you have no way of telling what kind of parent someone will be.

Anyway, I am a Dad now, but don't really think I'm all that great. It is a lot of hard work.
 
2014-03-19 01:39:57 PM
Meh.

Did I say Meh?  Oh yeah, I did....
 
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