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(Yahoo)   9th Circuit to decide if Arizona's law passed by ballot initiative which forbids granting bail to any illegal immigrant arrested in the state on other charges runs afoul of a minor legal technicality called the 8th Amendment   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 13
    More: Obvious, 9th Circuit, legal technicality, amendments, illegal immigrants, Russell Pearce, Arizona Legislature, United States courts of appeals  
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2014-03-19 05:25:57 PM
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give me doughnuts: DamnYankees: dkendr: The law was passed to punish people in this country illegally?  YOU DON'T SAY.

How can someone be in a country illegally? Is there a law saying "if you do not comply with immigration procedures, your presence on American territory is, in and of itself, a crime?"

No, but there should be.


Hey, everyone, the new legal standard of 'well, it SHOULD be that way!'
2014-03-19 02:52:59 PM
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Kit Fister: DamnYankees: Why? What's the benefit of this?

do you know if those illegals are murderers or rapists or drug dealers? Me either. ANd since they didn't come in through proper channels, there's no way I can tell until something bad happens.


I fail to see how this has anything to do with immigration. I don't know if ANYONE is a rapist or murderer or drug dealer. You might be, for all I know.
2014-03-19 02:41:38 PM
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Fusilier: Or you can go to Mexico where Hispanics from south or THEIR border are required to either come up with a bribe and keep moving north or endure a severe beating and deportation.


You think this is a good thing?
2014-03-19 01:48:25 PM
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durbnpoisn: Magorn: dkendr: The 9th Circuit is the loony left's favorite judge kennel.

The law was passed to punish people in this country illegally?  YOU DON'T SAY.


You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means...in fact I KNOW it doesn't.

You need to understand the distinction between civil and criminal law.    IF I am the town of East Bumfarkistan and I put up a stop light at the edge of town  without doing a traffic study to ensure that the Stoplights meet federal DOT requirements for where such traffic control devices can be placed, that is an ILLEGAL stoplight, and subject to removal via court order if someone files suit and complains, but no one is going to jail for having put the stoplight up.

Similarly, it is not a crime, of ANY sort to simply be present in this country without proper authorization,   It is a Civil offense for which the only penalty is removal from the country (ie deportation).  Therefore denying basic constitutional freedoms to someone who has committed only a civil offense ould be exactly the same as denying you a right to vote because you received a parking ticket.

Well if that's the case, why aren't these people immediately deported?

If it's against any rules to keep them without bail, fine.  Let them go.  Back to their country of origin.

I don't think I will ever completely understand how and why people are willing to bend over backwards to accomidate people that are not in this country legally to begin with.  Is it because of the cheap produce and affordable landscaping?


Because being born on the wrong side of an imaginary line and wanting a better life for your family doesn't make you less of a person?
2014-03-19 01:46:05 PM
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JackieRabbit: Subby, didn't you NRTFA?:

"A three-member panel of the 9th Circuit previously rejected a challenge to the no-bail law, finding that it didn't run afoul of the Constitution. But the challengers succeeded in getting an 11-member panel of the court to consider the case."

The rights afforded us by the constitution are meant only for American citizens and foreign nationals who are admitted into the country by competent authority (The US State Department). While the US is bound by international treaties to treat illegal aliens with dignity and to honor their human rights, it is not bound to afford full constitutional protections to them. Legally, the ICE can detain an illegal immigrant without bail until his deportation proceedings are complete. It is understandable that even a racist state like Arizona would not want to release an illegal alien on bail after having arrested him on a felony charge.

If the opponents of this law cannot get a favorable ruling by the 9th Circuit, they have no chance of even being heard by the SCOTUS.


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Casue you are about as wrong as wrong could be, BTW but I'mma gonna let you figure that out as you desperately Google for a source to back up your erroneous assumption.
2014-03-19 01:46:03 PM
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dpzum1: Until you actually live in an area that is overrun with ILLEGAL immigrants who tax the already tight economy, run afoul of the law, make demands of actual citizens as though they have the same rights, you shouldn't be so quick to criticize.
Or, you could just try to do the same as an ILLEGAL immigrant in Mexico or South America and see where that gets you.


Yeah, it's pretty rough up there in Connecticut, ain't it?
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2014-03-19 01:46:00 PM
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If they're trespassing, can't we shoot them instead?

//lude
2014-03-19 01:41:48 PM
1 votes:
I can see both sides of this argument.

I also know that our Federal Appeals Courts are becoming as wildly partisan as the rest of the country.

Isn't justice supposed to be blind?

/i am not picking sides, I think there is bias on both sides
2014-03-19 01:36:56 PM
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Until you actually live in an area that is overrun with ILLEGAL immigrants who tax the already tight economy, run afoul of the law, make demands of actual citizens as though they have the same rights, you shouldn't be so quick to criticize.
Or, you could just try to do the same as an ILLEGAL immigrant in Mexico or South America and see where that gets you.
2014-03-19 01:32:48 PM
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Subby, didn't you NRTFA?:

"A three-member panel of the 9th Circuit previously rejected a challenge to the no-bail law, finding that it didn't run afoul of the Constitution. But the challengers succeeded in getting an 11-member panel of the court to consider the case."

The rights afforded us by the constitution are meant only for American citizens and foreign nationals who are admitted into the country by competent authority (The US State Department). While the US is bound by international treaties to treat illegal aliens with dignity and to honor their human rights, it is not bound to afford full constitutional protections to them. Legally, the ICE can detain an illegal immigrant without bail until his deportation proceedings are complete. It is understandable that even a racist state like Arizona would not want to release an illegal alien on bail after having arrested him on a felony charge.

If the opponents of this law cannot get a favorable ruling by the 9th Circuit, they have no chance of even being heard by the SCOTUS.
2014-03-19 01:30:29 PM
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Next white person complaining about somebody else being in this country illegally is going to get beat to death with a large peace pipe, covered in a disease ridden blanket, and turned into soylent green.
2014-03-19 01:28:49 PM
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The lawyers defending the law say its intent was to improve public safety, not punish people

Uh-huh...I totally believe that
2014-03-19 01:24:25 PM
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More to the point. It is legal to deny bail to flight risks. Generally bail terms will also include the revocation of passports until trial end. If my recall is correct, illegal immigrants do miss trial dates more often than citizens, and the revocation of passports doesnt work on that class. There are many articles on illegal immigrants going back to their home countries to avoid US trial. Based on this, the enhanced flight risk issue, I don't see how it is an issue.
 
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