give me doughnuts: DamnYankees: dkendr: The law was passed to punish people in this country illegally? YOU DON'T SAY.How can someone be in a country illegally? Is there a law saying "if you do not comply with immigration procedures, your presence on American territory is, in and of itself, a crime?"No, but there should be.
Kit Fister: DamnYankees: Why? What's the benefit of this?do you know if those illegals are murderers or rapists or drug dealers? Me either. ANd since they didn't come in through proper channels, there's no way I can tell until something bad happens.
Fusilier: Or you can go to Mexico where Hispanics from south or THEIR border are required to either come up with a bribe and keep moving north or endure a severe beating and deportation.
durbnpoisn: Magorn: dkendr: The 9th Circuit is the loony left's favorite judge kennel.The law was passed to punish people in this country illegally? YOU DON'T SAY.You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means...in fact I KNOW it doesn't.You need to understand the distinction between civil and criminal law. IF I am the town of East Bumfarkistan and I put up a stop light at the edge of town without doing a traffic study to ensure that the Stoplights meet federal DOT requirements for where such traffic control devices can be placed, that is an ILLEGAL stoplight, and subject to removal via court order if someone files suit and complains, but no one is going to jail for having put the stoplight up.Similarly, it is not a crime, of ANY sort to simply be present in this country without proper authorization, It is a Civil offense for which the only penalty is removal from the country (ie deportation). Therefore denying basic constitutional freedoms to someone who has committed only a civil offense ould be exactly the same as denying you a right to vote because you received a parking ticket.Well if that's the case, why aren't these people immediately deported?If it's against any rules to keep them without bail, fine. Let them go. Back to their country of origin.I don't think I will ever completely understand how and why people are willing to bend over backwards to accomidate people that are not in this country legally to begin with. Is it because of the cheap produce and affordable landscaping?
JackieRabbit: Subby, didn't you NRTFA?:"A three-member panel of the 9th Circuit previously rejected a challenge to the no-bail law, finding that it didn't run afoul of the Constitution. But the challengers succeeded in getting an 11-member panel of the court to consider the case."The rights afforded us by the constitution are meant only for American citizens and foreign nationals who are admitted into the country by competent authority (The US State Department). While the US is bound by international treaties to treat illegal aliens with dignity and to honor their human rights, it is not bound to afford full constitutional protections to them. Legally, the ICE can detain an illegal immigrant without bail until his deportation proceedings are complete. It is understandable that even a racist state like Arizona would not want to release an illegal alien on bail after having arrested him on a felony charge.If the opponents of this law cannot get a favorable ruling by the 9th Circuit, they have no chance of even being heard by the SCOTUS.
dpzum1: Until you actually live in an area that is overrun with ILLEGAL immigrants who tax the already tight economy, run afoul of the law, make demands of actual citizens as though they have the same rights, you shouldn't be so quick to criticize.Or, you could just try to do the same as an ILLEGAL immigrant in Mexico or South America and see where that gets you.
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