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(Some Guy)   From the "you're not helping" files: donate $10 or more to a DC-area pro-choice fund, and get a free coat hanger pendant   (dcabortionfund.org) divider line 116
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msP
2014-03-19 04:14:30 PM

garandman1a: I would LOVE one of those, but I can't in good faith donate to a cause which is dedicated to stopping the heart of a living being with unique human DNA, and physically appears to be a human being in miniature.


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Which does the thing in the top left look more like to you? Because I would say it looks a lot less like a "human being in miniature" than it does a T-rex fetus.

Also, there's no argument that "thing" is living when it's barely even formed skin to cover its organs.
 
2014-03-19 04:17:29 PM

BigGrnEggGriller: My guess...


What does you guess have to do with anything? The issue is well-studied, documented and cited. If your knowledge of the facts isn't what you're going to put on the table, your thoughts on the matter are irrelevant. Your guess has no place in anybody's professional medical care.
 
2014-03-19 04:23:38 PM
I...i want to donate.
 
2014-03-19 04:29:44 PM

DoctorWhat: Yes. This has been a big factor in making my viewpoints more nuanced. My wife had a termination for medical reasons at 20 weeks gestation. The thoughtlessly pro-life who heard about it thought we were monsters, and the thoughtlessly pro-choice didn't want to acknowledge our grief or that we considered our dead child to be part of our family.


Yeah, one of the things that sucks about the whole battle is that the truthful, compassionate nuances get swallowed up in partisan tumult. Women view their unborn children differently, have different amounts of attachment to them, and grieve differently (or not at all) when pregnancies are miscarried or aborted - this variance, too, is part of free choice. I hate it when the experiences of women are minimized because they don't neatly fit one side of the political narrative.

I'm really really pro-choice. I've had an abortion myself and don't have lingering emotions about it. But I do know women for whom abortion was an emotional sucker-punch, and while they aren't in the majority, glossing over their experiences in fear that the pro-lifers will use them to score points does nobody any favors.
 
2014-03-19 04:31:03 PM

Theaetetus: BigGrnEggGriller: So calling it a "baby" is a lie in your eyes contrary to the definition of the word "baby".

My guess is that you'd rather call it a "cell cluster" until it's been out of the womb for  a year an instant.

FTFY. Is that really so hard to understand?

/and "fetus" is the appropriate term at that age of gestation. "Cell cluster" is really only appropriate during the blastocyst stage.


I guess as a person of faith, I cringe at funneling everything down to clinical definition, but you have every right to use it to shore up your argument in courts, etc.

When my wife suffered a couple of miscarriages during our first attempts at having children, I guess it meant more to us than losing a blastocyst.  We ached like we'd lost something more than that.  i guess you can blame our humanity and faith.

So anyway, I respect your right to express your view.  You have my best wishes.
 
2014-03-19 04:38:41 PM
Donated. Window seat please, I'm giving the pendant to a friend as a gift.
 
2014-03-19 04:41:21 PM

skozlaw: BigGrnEggGriller: My guess...

What does you guess have to do with anything? The issue is well-studied, documented and cited. If your knowledge of the facts isn't what you're going to put on the table, your thoughts on the matter are irrelevant. Your guess has no place in anybody's professional medical care.


I only wish God's blessings on you and yours.
 
2014-03-19 04:44:31 PM

BigGrnEggGriller: Theaetetus: BigGrnEggGriller: So calling it a "baby" is a lie in your eyes contrary to the definition of the word "baby".

My guess is that you'd rather call it a "cell cluster" until it's been out of the womb for  a year an instant.

FTFY. Is that really so hard to understand?

/and "fetus" is the appropriate term at that age of gestation. "Cell cluster" is really only appropriate during the blastocyst stage.

I guess as a person of faith, I cringe at funneling everything down to clinical definition, but you have every right to use it to shore up your argument in courts, etc.

When my wife suffered a couple of miscarriages during our first attempts at having children, I guess it meant more to us than losing a blastocyst.  We ached like we'd lost something more than that.  i guess you can blame our humanity and faith.


Perhaps you should go and read my other post about how the distinction is not the age of the fetus, but the desire of the mother to have the child, then, and stop with the passive-aggressiveness.
 
2014-03-19 04:49:38 PM

BigGrnEggGriller: skozlaw: BigGrnEggGriller: My guess...

What does you guess have to do with anything? The issue is well-studied, documented and cited. If your knowledge of the facts isn't what you're going to put on the table, your thoughts on the matter are irrelevant. Your guess has no place in anybody's professional medical care.

I only wish God's blessings on you and yours.


Tries to put words in someone's mouth, "blesses" them when called on it...
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2014-03-19 04:51:21 PM

Theaetetus: BigGrnEggGriller: Theaetetus: BigGrnEggGriller: So calling it a "baby" is a lie in your eyes contrary to the definition of the word "baby".

My guess is that you'd rather call it a "cell cluster" until it's been out of the womb for  a year an instant.

FTFY. Is that really so hard to understand?

/and "fetus" is the appropriate term at that age of gestation. "Cell cluster" is really only appropriate during the blastocyst stage.

I guess as a person of faith, I cringe at funneling everything down to clinical definition, but you have every right to use it to shore up your argument in courts, etc.

When my wife suffered a couple of miscarriages during our first attempts at having children, I guess it meant more to us than losing a blastocyst.  We ached like we'd lost something more than that.  i guess you can blame our humanity and faith.

Perhaps you should go and read my other post about how the distinction is not the age of the fetus, but the desire of the mother to have the child, then, and stop with the passive-aggressiveness.


Well, aren't you unpleasant?  I certainly hope I have the good fortune of not encountering you in the meat world.

Best wishes, anyway.
 
2014-03-19 05:06:26 PM

BigGrnEggGriller: Theaetetus: BigGrnEggGriller: Theaetetus: BigGrnEggGriller: So calling it a "baby" is a lie in your eyes contrary to the definition of the word "baby".

My guess is that you'd rather call it a "cell cluster" until it's been out of the womb for  a year an instant.

FTFY. Is that really so hard to understand?

/and "fetus" is the appropriate term at that age of gestation. "Cell cluster" is really only appropriate during the blastocyst stage.

I guess as a person of faith, I cringe at funneling everything down to clinical definition, but you have every right to use it to shore up your argument in courts, etc.

When my wife suffered a couple of miscarriages during our first attempts at having children, I guess it meant more to us than losing a blastocyst.  We ached like we'd lost something more than that.  i guess you can blame our humanity and faith.

Perhaps you should go and read my other post about how the distinction is not the age of the fetus, but the desire of the mother to have the child, then, and stop with the passive-aggressiveness.

Well, aren't you unpleasant?  I certainly hope I have the good fortune of not encountering you in the meat world.

Best wishes, anyway.


Likewise. Frankly, I'd rather hang out with real Christians who don't accuse everyone who disagrees with them of lacking humanity. Cheers.
 
2014-03-19 08:18:50 PM

msP: hasty ambush: dpzum1: ...or she could just not have unprotected sex. You know, take a little farking responsibility. But NOOOOO, that means that she couldn't relinquish said responsibility at will.

Just sayin...

You would think so since clinics and many schools give out condoms for free but It is not about responsibility but authority/power without having to be responsible/face the consequences for its use.

They get to say who , when and how (except of course for rape)The chant is their body their business and keeping "our laws" off their bodies except when it comes to paying for the consequences of what they do with their body.  Then they are all about reaching into the tax payers or the alleged father's pocket. and damn you to hell for your "war on women" if you are not willing to part with that  money with no strings attached.

So what about when their chosen form of birth control fails? (Not counting the "rhythm method")? No abortions for them because of a completely uncontrollable hormonal reaction or the tiniest hole in one of those free school condoms?


I guess teh question woudl be then who has to pay for it.  Seems they assume the risks they assume the responsibility. I knwo that goes contrary  to modern feminism where they want  the financial responsibility spread around
 
2014-03-19 08:21:34 PM
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msP
2014-03-19 09:28:20 PM

hasty ambush: msP: hasty ambush: dpzum1: ...or she could just not have unprotected sex. You know, take a little farking responsibility. But NOOOOO, that means that she couldn't relinquish said responsibility at will.

Just sayin...

You would think so since clinics and many schools give out condoms for free but It is not about responsibility but authority/power without having to be responsible/face the consequences for its use.

They get to say who , when and how (except of course for rape)The chant is their body their business and keeping "our laws" off their bodies except when it comes to paying for the consequences of what they do with their body.  Then they are all about reaching into the tax payers or the alleged father's pocket. and damn you to hell for your "war on women" if you are not willing to part with that  money with no strings attached.

So what about when their chosen form of birth control fails? (Not counting the "rhythm method")? No abortions for them because of a completely uncontrollable hormonal reaction or the tiniest hole in one of those free school condoms?

I guess teh question woudl be then who has to pay for it.  Seems they assume the risks they assume the responsibility. I knwo that goes contrary  to modern feminism where they want  the financial responsibility spread around


I don't think that's true at all. Since the time I could save money, I've always had an extra $500 in my own personal abortion fund (average cost of a medical abortion in Fla). I'm fully prepared at any moment to get an abortion - but I also spend $100 a month on my virtually impossible to fail birth control. When it doubled in cost after the ACA kicked in (from $50), I cut back on expenses to make sure I could still afford it. And I think there are a lot of women out there like me.

By the way, I consider myself part of the new feminist movement.
 
2014-03-20 12:32:05 AM
Goddam, you guys, can't you step back for a second and figure out that this is just a tasteless joke -- and there's nothing wrong with that, tasteless humor being the center of most American comedy. You quivering nancies don't like it, clutch your pearls and look away before you faint.

Captain Dan: Tasteless.  When you find yourself putting up billboards of dead fetuses, or handing out coathanger thank-yous, it's time to step back and reevaluate where your life went wrong.


One person gets it, but still wears his SRS BZNZ face. Get over yourselves, some people appreciate a little black humor and plenty would wear it just to tweak people. Not everything has to help, especially not when an issue has been kicked around so long that today's grandparents fought to legalize it.
 
2014-03-20 09:34:53 AM

BigGrnEggGriller: I see.  So calling it a "baby" is a lie in your eyes. My guess is that you'd rather call it a "cell cluster" until it's been out of the womb for a year


Like Pro-lifers give a shiat about the kid once it is out of the womb.
 
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