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2014-03-19 01:01:32 PM

dpzum1: ...or she could just not have unprotected sex. You know, take a little farking responsibility. But NOOOOO, that means that she couldn't relinquish said responsibility at will.

Just sayin...


You must live on a cool planet, that one where birth control is 100 percent effective.
 
2014-03-19 01:03:29 PM

dpzum1: ...or she could just not have unprotected sex. You know, take a little farking responsibility. But NOOOOO, that means that she couldn't relinquish said responsibility at will.

Just sayin...


I don't know who "she" is, but maybe she realizes that it's a mistake to bring a child into the world that she can't afford. And she is probably well aware that birth control is not foolproof -- something that cannot necessarily be said of you.
 
2014-03-19 01:11:24 PM

dpzum1: ...or she could just not have unprotected sex. You know, take a little farking responsibility. But NOOOOO, that means that she couldn't relinquish said responsibility at will.

Just sayin...


But don't you dare suggest the abortion issue is about controlling female sexuality.....
 
2014-03-19 01:11:38 PM
I would LOVE one of those, but I can't in good faith donate to a cause which is dedicated to stopping the heart of a living being with unique human DNA, and physically appears to be a human being in miniature.
 
2014-03-19 01:11:58 PM

Clemkadidlefark: nmrsnr: Hey, the Christians made a cruel device of death into their symbol, so why not?

Pro-Choice .. abortion .. coat hanger .. and somehow you came up with Christian.

Is that some sort of Obama Common Core math?


Christians use an execution method as their symbol.  Regular math works just fine on that one.
 
2014-03-19 01:17:11 PM

mbillips: BigGrnEggGriller: Or she could have the kid and put it up for adoption, but whatever.

Yeah, because carrying a kid to term causes exactly the same medical expense, work disruption and health risks as a first-term abortion. Not to mention the mental trauma women suffer from giving kids up for adoption, which unlike "post-abortion syndrome," is a real medical condition.


..............sounds both inconvenient and potentially dangerous. I'm sure that women who've had an abortion have never given what might have been a second thought.

Lots of grey in this world. Perhaps more than 50 shades.
 
2014-03-19 01:17:46 PM

Barbeaubot: Christians use an execution method as their symbol.  Regular math works just fine on that one.


Solve for 't'
 
2014-03-19 01:19:55 PM

garandman1a: I would LOVE one of those, but I can't in good faith donate to a cause which is dedicated to stopping the heart of a living being with unique human DNA, and physically appears to be a human being in miniature.


Then don't. It's your money.
 
2014-03-19 01:21:15 PM

nmrsnr: Hey, the Christians made a cruel device of death into their symbol, so why not?


I thought they opted for a new sigil?
upload.wikimedia.org

/willies proof
 
2014-03-19 01:29:06 PM
hasty ambush: 
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 687x634]


As much as I'd love for that picture to be real, you might want to mention that it's 'Shopped.

img.fark.net
img.fark.net


Use this instead, it still gets our point across.
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-19 01:36:37 PM

dpzum1: ...or she could just not have unprotected sex. You know, take a little farking responsibility. But NOOOOO, that means that she couldn't relinquish said responsibility at will.


I'm sorry... I must have missed that memo. Who appointed you universal arbiter of vaginas and by what authority was the title bestowed?
 
2014-03-19 01:39:37 PM
If it was up to me we would have abortion drive thru's in every impoverished location in the country!! Here's the thing: stupid, poor people breed like rats. We have more than enough stupid, poor people in this country already.
Freakonomics had some interesting theories about the crime rate before and after abortion was legalized.
 
2014-03-19 01:40:20 PM
Don't like the hanger pendant? Maybe an armed fetus Christmas ornament is more your speed.

http://boingboing.net/2007/12/04/unusual-christmas-tr.html
 
2014-03-19 01:41:19 PM
One of our developers made a dialog popup for "Abort this function" have a coat hanger for an icon.     I thought it was pretty funny but demanded he remove that bitmap from the system lest it work its way into a released product.
 
2014-03-19 01:42:51 PM
Seems to me they are utilizing the coat hanger as a symbolic reminder. Much like the gay rights movement adopted the pink triangle. The hanger to remind of that baning abortion, like prohibition of drugs/ alcohol, has not, will never truly stop the use it merely moves it underground. The pink triangle to remind us that Hitler murdered not just Jewish people but all he saw has "undesirable". Gays, gypsies, the handicapped, Ect.
Both are symbolic "Never Forgets" so to say.
 
2014-03-19 01:45:50 PM
I feel very strongly about a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses, but...o_O
 
2014-03-19 01:51:34 PM

lindalouwho: I feel very strongly about a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses, but...o_O


I don't think this is any different than the graphic billboards the pro-life people put up along the highway.
 
2014-03-19 02:00:25 PM

mbillips: BigGrnEggGriller: Or she could have the kid and put it up for adoption, but whatever.

Yeah, because carrying a kid to term causes exactly the same medical expense, work disruption and health risks as a first-term abortion. Not to mention the mental trauma women suffer from giving kids up for adoption, which unlike "post-abortion syndrome," is a real medical condition.


Your newsletter, I'd like to subscribe.
 
2014-03-19 02:04:13 PM

udhq: lindalouwho: I feel very strongly about a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses, but...o_O

I don't think this is any different than the graphic billboards the pro-life people put up along the highway.


It's not any different from the graphic billboards. That's my point. And I am disappointed.
 
2014-03-19 02:07:30 PM
saved4life.com

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-03-19 02:12:47 PM

lindalouwho: udhq: lindalouwho: I feel very strongly about a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses, but...o_O

I don't think this is any different than the graphic billboards the pro-life people put up along the highway.

It's not any different from the graphic billboards. That's my point. And I am disappointed.


A coat hanger is just as offensive to you as a picture of an aborted fetus?
You may need to talk to somebody about that.
 
2014-03-19 02:22:50 PM

Saners: lindalouwho: udhq: lindalouwho: I feel very strongly about a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses, but...o_O

I don't think this is any different than the graphic billboards the pro-life people put up along the highway.

It's not any different from the graphic billboards. That's my point. And I am disappointed.

A coat hanger is just as offensive to you as a picture of an aborted fetus?
You may need to talk to somebody about that.


Don't be obtuse.
 
2014-03-19 02:34:17 PM

Gulper Eel: factoryconnection: I googled "DC abortion fund" instead of clicking and sure enough:
1. It is legit; they raise money to help broke women pay for an abortion
2. Their "coat hanger pendant" is something they're actually giving to donors
3. This has set the right wing blogs ablaze.  Can't say I blame 'em.

Maybe if they sold "killin's all good 'til the baby crowns" T-shirts they could raise some more dough.

Theaetetus: There aren't many fencesitters at this point

You're kidding, right? How many people who profess to be pro-choice would stick to that position regardless of whether the pregnancy was 2 or 250 days along? And how many who purport to be pro-life put their money where their mouths are and use the rhythm method?

Maybe you'd get to ten percent of the population combining them both.



Kind of this, although I'm not sure why you're lumping all pro-lifers in to the anti-contraception viewpoint.

In any case, I really hate when either side trivializes the issue.  The expense, risks, and imposition of pregnancy and childbirth should not be taken lightly, but neither should the life of the baby.
 
2014-03-19 02:37:03 PM

DoctorWhat: In any case, I really hate when either side trivializes the issue.  The expense, risks, and imposition of pregnancy and childbirth should not be taken lightly, but neither should the life of the baby.


Good thing that there's no baby involved with abortion, then, huh?
 
2014-03-19 02:43:31 PM

lindalouwho: Saners: lindalouwho: udhq: lindalouwho: I feel very strongly about a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses, but...o_O

I don't think this is any different than the graphic billboards the pro-life people put up along the highway.

It's not any different from the graphic billboards. That's my point. And I am disappointed.

A coat hanger is just as offensive to you as a picture of an aborted fetus?
You may need to talk to somebody about that.

Don't be obtuse.


How is it obtuse to point out that showing a tool isn't the equivalent to showing the actual medical procedure.  To put it another way, would you consider a billboard with a photo of a scalpel to be the equivalent of a billboard with a closeup photo of open heart surgery being performed?
 
2014-03-19 02:44:41 PM

Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: In any case, I really hate when either side trivializes the issue.  The expense, risks, and imposition of pregnancy and childbirth should not be taken lightly, but neither should the life of the baby.

Good thing that there's no baby involved with abortion, then, huh?


And at what gestational age would you say there is?  24 weeks is often used as a cutoff because of viability, but it isn't like a 24-weeker can live without major medical intervention; viability age is a produce of our technology.  A few babies have survived even earlier births, at which point they probably can't even feel pain yet.  What makes a baby?  If it's only time, then any cutoff you choose is arbitrary.
 
2014-03-19 02:46:33 PM

DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: In any case, I really hate when either side trivializes the issue.  The expense, risks, and imposition of pregnancy and childbirth should not be taken lightly, but neither should the life of the baby.

Good thing that there's no baby involved with abortion, then, huh?

And at what gestational age would you say there is?


By definition, at no age during gestation. A baby is born. Prior to that, we're talking about a fetus, zygote, embryo, blastocyst, ovum, etc. depending on gestational age.
 
2014-03-19 02:53:33 PM

Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: In any case, I really hate when either side trivializes the issue.  The expense, risks, and imposition of pregnancy and childbirth should not be taken lightly, but neither should the life of the baby.

Good thing that there's no baby involved with abortion, then, huh?

And at what gestational age would you say there is?

By definition, at no age during gestation. A baby is born. Prior to that, we're talking about a fetus, zygote, embryo, blastocyst, ovum, etc. depending on gestational age.


Ah, so there is no issue with aborting a perfectly healthy fetus 39-weeks into the pregnancy?
 
2014-03-19 02:57:59 PM
I will confess that I don't understand people that think like this.  I know it's the law and all, but at some level, you'd think basic humanity would kick in.
 
2014-03-19 02:58:25 PM

CourtroomWolf: lindalouwho: Saners: lindalouwho: udhq: lindalouwho: I feel very strongly about a woman's right to have an abortion if she chooses, but...o_O

I don't think this is any different than the graphic billboards the pro-life people put up along the highway.

It's not any different from the graphic billboards. That's my point. And I am disappointed.

A coat hanger is just as offensive to you as a picture of an aborted fetus?
You may need to talk to somebody about that.

Don't be obtuse.

How is it obtuse to point out that showing a tool isn't the equivalent to showing the actual medical procedure.  To put it another way, would you consider a billboard with a photo of a scalpel to be the equivalent of a billboard with a closeup photo of open heart surgery being performed?


*sigh*

I'm simply expressing my disappointment with a pro-choice organization resorting to shock tactics like the anti-choice crowd. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
2014-03-19 02:59:36 PM

DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: In any case, I really hate when either side trivializes the issue.  The expense, risks, and imposition of pregnancy and childbirth should not be taken lightly, but neither should the life of the baby.

Good thing that there's no baby involved with abortion, then, huh?

And at what gestational age would you say there is?

By definition, at no age during gestation. A baby is born. Prior to that, we're talking about a fetus, zygote, embryo, blastocyst, ovum, etc. depending on gestational age.

Ah, so there is no issue with aborting a perfectly healthy fetus 39-weeks into the pregnancy?


Well, first, are you conceding that your statement regarding "babies" was using a false definition? I just want to make sure we finish one point before we jump to the next. Then, I'm happy to reply.
 
2014-03-19 03:01:53 PM

lindalouwho: I'm simply expressing my disappointment with a pro-choice organization resorting to shock tactics like the anti-choice crowd. Nothing more, nothing less.


Well, yes, the truth is often very shocking.
 
2014-03-19 03:05:35 PM

Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: In any case, I really hate when either side trivializes the issue.  The expense, risks, and imposition of pregnancy and childbirth should not be taken lightly, but neither should the life of the baby.

Good thing that there's no baby involved with abortion, then, huh?

And at what gestational age would you say there is?

By definition, at no age during gestation. A baby is born. Prior to that, we're talking about a fetus, zygote, embryo, blastocyst, ovum, etc. depending on gestational age.

Ah, so there is no issue with aborting a perfectly healthy fetus 39-weeks into the pregnancy?

Well, first, are you conceding that your statement regarding "babies" was using a false definition? I just want to make sure we finish one point before we jump to the next. Then, I'm happy to reply.


But that's just the issue.  Yes, the medical definition of the term revolves around being born or not, but that has been used by pro-choicers to make abortion seem like a non-issue.  "It's only a fetus, not a baby".  That's beside the point.
 
2014-03-19 03:06:52 PM

DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: In any case, I really hate when either side trivializes the issue.  The expense, risks, and imposition of pregnancy and childbirth should not be taken lightly, but neither should the life of the baby.

Good thing that there's no baby involved with abortion, then, huh?

And at what gestational age would you say there is?

By definition, at no age during gestation. A baby is born. Prior to that, we're talking about a fetus, zygote, embryo, blastocyst, ovum, etc. depending on gestational age.

Ah, so there is no issue with aborting a perfectly healthy fetus 39-weeks into the pregnancy?

Well, first, are you conceding that your statement regarding "babies" was using a false definition? I just want to make sure we finish one point before we jump to the next. Then, I'm happy to reply.

But that's just the issue.  Yes, the medical definition of the term revolves around being born or not, but that has been used by pro-choicers to make abortion seem like a non-issue.  "It's only a fetus, not a baby".  That's beside the point.


I should say, used by some pro-choicers.
 
2014-03-19 03:09:56 PM
A friend of mine and her husband have had difficulty conceiving. Several miscarriages. When that has happened it's not exactly like a baby in their family has died, but...............
 
2014-03-19 03:13:09 PM

lindalouwho: I'm simply expressing my disappointment with a pro-choice organization resorting to shock tactics like the anti-choice crowd.


There's nothing wrong with using shock tactics to disarm complacent people and get them thinking about an important topic as long as it's not ALL you do. Not even when anti-choicers do it. The problem with those idiots standing around on curbs with pictures of bloody "babies" isn't that they're trying to shock people, it's that they're lying to people.
 
2014-03-19 03:18:47 PM

skozlaw: lindalouwho: I'm simply expressing my disappointment with a pro-choice organization resorting to shock tactics like the anti-choice crowd.

There's nothing wrong with using shock tactics to disarm complacent people and get them thinking about an important topic as long as it's not ALL you do. Not even when anti-choicers do it. The problem with those idiots standing around on curbs with pictures of bloody "babies" isn't that they're trying to shock people, it's that they're lying to people.


Lying how?
 
2014-03-19 03:21:26 PM

skozlaw: lindalouwho: I'm simply expressing my disappointment with a pro-choice organization resorting to shock tactics like the anti-choice crowd.

There's nothing wrong with using shock tactics to disarm complacent people and get them thinking about an important topic as long as it's not ALL you do. Not even when anti-choicers do it. The problem with those idiots standing around on curbs with pictures of bloody "babies" isn't that they're trying to shock people, it's that they're lying to people.


You're preaching to the choir ;-) I've been to DC many times protesting as a pro-choicer, including in the pre-Roe v Wade days.
I find it hard to wrap my mind around the fact that we STILL have to fight for the right. And I'm long past being able to get pregnant mysel.
 
2014-03-19 03:21:47 PM

Fusilier: A friend of mine and her husband have had difficulty conceiving. Several miscarriages. When that has happened it's not exactly like a baby in their family has died, but...............


Yes.  This has been a big factor in making my viewpoints more nuanced.  My wife had a termination for medical reasons at 20 weeks gestation.  The thoughtlessly pro-life who heard about it thought we were monsters, and the thoughtlessly pro-choice didn't want to acknowledge our grief or that we considered our dead child to be part of our family.
 
2014-03-19 03:29:53 PM

DoctorWhat: Fusilier: A friend of mine and her husband have had difficulty conceiving. Several miscarriages. When that has happened it's not exactly like a baby in their family has died, but...............

Yes.  This has been a big factor in making my viewpoints more nuanced.  My wife had a termination for medical reasons at 20 weeks gestation.  The thoughtlessly pro-life who heard about it thought we were monsters, and the thoughtlessly pro-choice didn't want to acknowledge our grief or that we considered our dead child to be part of our family.


I am so sorry for your loss. And I am sorry that you and your wife were treated like "an issue" instead of heartbroken human beings. Stay strong.
 
2014-03-19 03:32:33 PM

DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: In any case, I really hate when either side trivializes the issue.  The expense, risks, and imposition of pregnancy and childbirth should not be taken lightly, but neither should the life of the baby.

Good thing that there's no baby involved with abortion, then, huh?

And at what gestational age would you say there is?

By definition, at no age during gestation. A baby is born. Prior to that, we're talking about a fetus, zygote, embryo, blastocyst, ovum, etc. depending on gestational age.

Ah, so there is no issue with aborting a perfectly healthy fetus 39-weeks into the pregnancy?

Well, first, are you conceding that your statement regarding "babies" was using a false definition? I just want to make sure we finish one point before we jump to the next. Then, I'm happy to reply.

But that's just the issue.  Yes, the medical definition of the term revolves around being born or not, but that has been used by pro-choicers to make abortion seem like a non-issue.  "It's only a fetus, not a baby".  That's beside the point.


In the same way, the term "baby" has been used by anti-choicers to make abortion seem like infantcide, when it's clearly not.

And also, that's a different issue than your second question about "aborting a perfectly healthy fetus 39-weeks into the pregnancy".  As I said, I'm happy to discuss that with you, but first we have to get away from your insistence on medically incorrect and emotionally burdened language.
 
2014-03-19 03:44:23 PM

Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: In any case, I really hate when either side trivializes the issue.  The expense, risks, and imposition of pregnancy and childbirth should not be taken lightly, but neither should the life of the baby.

Good thing that there's no baby involved with abortion, then, huh?

And at what gestational age would you say there is?

By definition, at no age during gestation. A baby is born. Prior to that, we're talking about a fetus, zygote, embryo, blastocyst, ovum, etc. depending on gestational age.

Ah, so there is no issue with aborting a perfectly healthy fetus 39-weeks into the pregnancy?

Well, first, are you conceding that your statement regarding "babies" was using a false definition? I just want to make sure we finish one point before we jump to the next. Then, I'm happy to reply.

But that's just the issue.  Yes, the medical definition of the term revolves around being born or not, but that has been used by pro-choicers to make abortion seem like a non-issue.  "It's only a fetus, not a baby".  That's beside the point.

In the same way, the term "baby" has been used by anti-choicers to make abortion seem like infantcide, when it's clearly not.

And also, that's a different issue than your second question about "aborting a perfectly healthy fetus 39-weeks into the pregnancy".  As I said, I'm happy to discuss that with you, but first we have to get away from your insistence on medically incorrect and emotionally burdened language.


So, in other words, you want to define the language and discussion points in your favor before you'll bless us with your permission to continue the discussion.

Got it.
 
2014-03-19 03:59:39 PM
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2014-03-19 03:59:41 PM

hasty ambush: dpzum1: ...or she could just not have unprotected sex. You know, take a little farking responsibility. But NOOOOO, that means that she couldn't relinquish said responsibility at will.

Just sayin...

You would think so since clinics and many schools give out condoms for free but It is not about responsibility but authority/power without having to be responsible/face the consequences for its use.

They get to say who , when and how (except of course for rape)The chant is their body their business and keeping "our laws" off their bodies except when it comes to paying for the consequences of what they do with their body.  Then they are all about reaching into the tax payers or the alleged father's pocket. and damn you to hell for your "war on women" if you are not willing to part with that  money with no strings attached.


So what about when their chosen form of birth control fails? (Not counting the "rhythm method")? No abortions for them because of a completely uncontrollable hormonal reaction or the tiniest hole in one of those free school condoms?
 
2014-03-19 04:02:06 PM

BigGrnEggGriller: Lying how?


Lie:
2.bp.blogspot.com

Lie:
24.media.tumblr.com

Lie:
www.jillstanek.com

Lie:
www.prolifedepot.com

Liars:
www.intouchmission.org

Sufficient?
 
2014-03-19 04:05:01 PM

mbillips: dpzum1: ...or she could just not have unprotected sex. You know, take a little farking responsibility. But NOOOOO, that means that she couldn't relinquish said responsibility at will.

Just sayin...

You must live on a cool planet, that one where birth control is 100 percent effective.


So no one should ever use it?
 
2014-03-19 04:06:07 PM

DoctorWhat: Fusilier: A friend of mine and her husband have had difficulty conceiving. Several miscarriages. When that has happened it's not exactly like a baby in their family has died, but...............

Yes.  This has been a big factor in making my viewpoints more nuanced.  My wife had a termination for medical reasons at 20 weeks gestation.  The thoughtlessly pro-life who heard about it thought we were monsters, and the thoughtlessly pro-choice didn't want to acknowledge our grief or that we considered our dead child to be part of our family.


The distinction, however, is not the  age of the fetus, but the desire of the mother to  have the baby. This is why there can be such things as abortion as well as fetal homicide statutes.

It's also why any questions about late term abortions - including  your question about abortion of 39-week fetuses - are both inapposite and heartless. No one- I repeat, no one- has an abortion in the third trimester "for convenience" or because they changed their mind. Doctors won't do them, and they're illegal in most states.  Rather, as you know, they're done in cases where the motherwants to have the baby, but can't, for medical reasons.

Accordingly, arguments about abortion in the first or second trimester that hang on emotional pleas regarding late term abortions are simply cruel.
 
2014-03-19 04:07:08 PM

BigGrnEggGriller: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: Theaetetus: DoctorWhat: In any case, I really hate when either side trivializes the issue.  The expense, risks, and imposition of pregnancy and childbirth should not be taken lightly, but neither should the life of the baby.

Good thing that there's no baby involved with abortion, then, huh?

And at what gestational age would you say there is?

By definition, at no age during gestation. A baby is born. Prior to that, we're talking about a fetus, zygote, embryo, blastocyst, ovum, etc. depending on gestational age.

Ah, so there is no issue with aborting a perfectly healthy fetus 39-weeks into the pregnancy?

Well, first, are you conceding that your statement regarding "babies" was using a false definition? I just want to make sure we finish one point before we jump to the next. Then, I'm happy to reply.

But that's just the issue.  Yes, the medical definition of the term revolves around being born or not, but that has been used by pro-choicers to make abortion seem like a non-issue.  "It's only a fetus, not a baby".  That's beside the point.

In the same way, the term "baby" has been used by anti-choicers to make abortion seem like infantcide, when it's clearly not.

And also, that's a different issue than your second question about "aborting a perfectly healthy fetus 39-weeks into the pregnancy".  As I said, I'm happy to discuss that with you, but first we have to get away from your insistence on medically incorrect and emotionally burdened language.

So, in other words, you want to define the language and discussion points in your favor before you'll bless us with your permission to continue the discussion.

Got it.


I'm using the medical definition, not one I came up with. If you want to redefine the word "baby" to mean anything pre-birth, then  you have to justify it, Sparky.
 
2014-03-19 04:07:19 PM

skozlaw: BigGrnEggGriller: Lying how?

Lie:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x633]

Lie:
[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x331]

Lie:
[www.jillstanek.com image 850x296]

Lie:
[www.prolifedepot.com image 252x252]

Liars:
[www.intouchmission.org image 360x480]

Sufficient?


I see.  So calling it a "baby" is a lie in your eyes.

My guess is that you'd rather call it a "cell cluster" until it's been out of the womb for a year
 
2014-03-19 04:09:54 PM

BigGrnEggGriller: So calling it a "baby" is a lie in your eyes contrary to the definition of the word "baby".

My guess is that you'd rather call it a "cell cluster" until it's been out of the womb for  a year an instant.


FTFY. Is that really so hard to understand?

/and "fetus" is the appropriate term at that age of gestation. "Cell cluster" is really only appropriate during the blastocyst stage.
 
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