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2014-03-19 08:47:11 AM
Had to RTFA, I thought Zaphod Beeblebrox was involved in some way. But this is just silly.
 
2014-03-19 09:11:24 AM
The second hand smoke thing had at least SOME validity.

This is just silly.
 
2014-03-19 09:46:47 AM
Article mentioned smoking.  Thanks a lot, Subby.  Now I have cancer.
 
2014-03-19 09:54:58 AM
All of you can suck it.

uhaweb.hartford.edu
 
2014-03-19 10:20:24 AM
And e-cigs are exactly the same. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!11!!!!

/we must hate smokers
//hate them
 
2014-03-19 10:28:42 AM
I just had a cigarette on the way to work.

/enjoy your emphysema
 
2014-03-19 10:39:16 AM
Wouldn't this still be second-hand smoke?

Exhaled smoke rains particulates down on surfaces, which are then inhaled or ingested by others - how is this different from inhaling the exhaled smoke directly? Third-hand would imply (e.g.) someone shotgunning a cigarette, then the "shotgun-ee" shotguns a third person (the "third hand").

"Third-hand smoke" sounds ridiculous. "Second-hand smoke" - well, still sounds KIND OF ridiculous, but at least makes some kind of sense.
 
2014-03-19 10:44:51 AM
I guess that means even more of those gnarly anti-smoking commercials.

I can't scramble for the remote fast enough it seems.
 
2014-03-19 10:45:33 AM
News Flash! Things cause cancer somehow!
 
2014-03-19 10:46:25 AM
I got lung cancer from Kevin Bacon
 
2014-03-19 10:47:40 AM

Dr Dreidel: "Third-hand smoke" sounds ridiculous. "Second-hand smoke" - well, still sounds KIND OF ridiculous, but at least makes some kind of sense.


Probably because, fundamentally, the problem is that cigarette smoke is, simply put, carcinogenic. It doesn't matter how you inhale it, it's still cigarette smoke which is why it's a problem.

The whole "second", "third", etc. is just an artificial construct to usefully indicate the fact that dangerous compounds don't necessarily stop being dangerous compounds because somebody else blew them on you instead of you just inhaling them yourself directly from the source.

If somebody blows chloramine in your face it's still gonna be a problem even though you didn't inhale it directly from its source. It's not like it magically stops being chloramine just because it was in someone else's lungs first. I don't see why anybody would expect that general truth would be different for cigarette smoke.
 
2014-03-19 10:50:19 AM
www.songfacts.com

Everything gives you cancer.
 
2014-03-19 11:01:15 AM
Is third hand smoking from knowing a guy who knows a guy that smokes?
 
2014-03-19 11:02:04 AM
4th hand smoke? Isn't that where someone describes a picture they once saw of someone smoking?
 
2014-03-19 11:03:19 AM
I was listening to the radio and a guy was smoking.  Is that seventh or eighth- hand smoking?
 
2014-03-19 11:05:01 AM

Diogenes: Article mentioned smoking.  Thanks a lot, Subby.  Now I have cancer.


Thanks a lot asshole, you mentioned cancer now I have smoking
 
2014-03-19 11:07:34 AM
Smokers continue to deny that ash is not among the things that are meant to be in your lungs.
 
2014-03-19 11:12:21 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Diogenes: Article mentioned smoking.  Thanks a lot, Subby.  Now I have cancer.

Thanks a lot asshole, you mentioned cancer now I have smoking


You mentioned a lot, now I have asshole cancer. Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-03-19 11:13:30 AM

ikanreed: Smokers continue to deny that ash is not among the things that are meant to be in your lungs.


You know who else tries to outlaw people being allowed to put certain things into certain orifices?
 
2014-03-19 11:17:19 AM
static.comicvine.com
 
2014-03-19 11:23:20 AM

robertus: Smeggy Smurf: Diogenes: Article mentioned smoking.  Thanks a lot, Subby.  Now I have cancer.

Thanks a lot asshole, you mentioned cancer now I have smoking

You mentioned a lot, now I have asshole cancer. Thanks, Obama.


Thanks a lot.  You mentioned Obama now I have Putin and no Ritz
 
2014-03-19 11:30:10 AM
Third-hand smoking?

You mean meta-metasmoking?
 
2014-03-19 11:30:31 AM
The article gave me cancer.

\and i didn't even read it
 
2014-03-19 11:30:35 AM
third-hand smoke could pose a serious threat, especially to young children who put toys and other smoke-affected items into their mouths

Well that explains the epidemic of mouth, tongue, lip and throat cancer in children.  I feel sorry for both children and hope their parrents get the death penalty.
 
2014-03-19 11:36:35 AM

Saiga410: I feel sorry for both children and hope their parrents get the death penalty.


Often, that happens quite naturally in these cases.  Long, slow, painful deaths.
 
2014-03-19 11:39:02 AM
uh, wouldn't 3rd hand mean a smoker smokes - then the smoke travels to one person - and then travels from that person to another person like a virus?

pretty sure surfaces aren't people, therefore it's still second hand
 
2014-03-19 11:39:32 AM

BumpInTheNight: ikanreed: Smokers continue to deny that ash is not among the things that are meant to be in your lungs.

You know who else tries to outlaw people being allowed to put certain things into certain orifices?


Basically every country since the invention of poisons?
 
2014-03-19 11:45:34 AM
What about when you walk by people smoking pot 30 feet away and get cancer?
 
2014-03-19 11:46:22 AM

Smeggy Smurf: robertus: Smeggy Smurf: Diogenes: Article mentioned smoking.  Thanks a lot, Subby.  Now I have cancer.

Thanks a lot asshole, you mentioned cancer now I have smoking

You mentioned a lot, now I have asshole cancer. Thanks, Obama.

Thanks a lot.  You mentioned Obama now I have Putin and no Ritz


Good job, prick. You mentioned Putin and now the Ukraine doesn't have the Crimea.
 
2014-03-19 11:47:29 AM

Smeggy Smurf: robertus: Smeggy Smurf: Diogenes: Article mentioned smoking.  Thanks a lot, Subby.  Now I have cancer.

Thanks a lot asshole, you mentioned cancer now I have smoking

You mentioned a lot, now I have asshole cancer. Thanks, Obama.

Thanks a lot.  You mentioned Obama now I have Putin and no Ritz


Thanks to all of you mentioning all of that, now my entire neighborhood has cancer, my dog has a 2-pack a day habit, and Obama and Putin are in my backyard fighting over who's going to annex the last box of Ritz crackers.
 
2014-03-19 11:53:17 AM
I got some third-hand smoke in my 4D printer.

I'm farked, aren't I?
 
2014-03-19 12:02:00 PM

croesius: What about when you walk by people smoking pot 30 feet away and get cancer?


You do understand that this is, like second hand smoke, still a discussion of long-term, systemic exposure, right?
 
2014-03-19 12:03:05 PM

Zik-Zak: Smeggy Smurf: robertus: Smeggy Smurf: Diogenes: Article mentioned smoking.  Thanks a lot, Subby.  Now I have cancer.

Thanks a lot asshole, you mentioned cancer now I have smoking

You mentioned a lot, now I have asshole cancer. Thanks, Obama.

Thanks a lot.  You mentioned Obama now I have Putin and no Ritz

Good job, prick. You mentioned Putin and now the Ukraine doesn't have the Crimea.


Goddamit, you mentioned Crimea now I have a river
 
2014-03-19 12:09:41 PM
I'm married to a smoker and can assure you that seeing smoking on TV or in a movie does increase cancer risk because he has to smoke a cigarette every damn time he seems someone else smoking one.
 
2014-03-19 12:18:58 PM

skozlaw: The whole "second", "third", etc. is just an artificial construct to usefully indicate the fact that dangerous compounds don't necessarily stop being dangerous compounds because somebody else blew them on you instead of you just inhaling them yourself directly from the source.


And as "silly" as people find "second-hand smoke" studies, they're going to find "third-hand smoke" studies even sillier. This is a second-hand smoke study that they (or maybe just subby) are calling a "third-hand smoke" study.

It'd be like creating a product that automatically wakes, shaves, showers, and dresses you, costs $10 to make but sells for $10,000 (and it looks like that might be too cheap to keep up with demand), and you call it "Flim-flam-a-doodle-bram".

No one's going to buy a good product with a shiatty name.
 
2014-03-19 12:43:12 PM
Second hand smoke is bad. "Third hand smoke" is essentially residue, which is still cancerous and bad.

That said, I have to wonder how bad exhaust and exhaust residues are... Smokers are easy targets but we know that being exposed to bus exhaust is terrible yet poor people, in particular, poor children are getting exposed and we do jack shiat.

Not sure where the line is or should be, but let's not pretend cig smoke is the only horrible thing being belched in people's faces. The big push now is outdoor smoking bans since indoor smoking is banned in many states. Now they'll ban smoking at home if you have kids, the writing is on the wall.

Basically, this is creeping prohibition and I don't think that's a good idea, as our other experiments with prohibition have turned out badly. There are reasonable restrictions but I can see this is getting out of hand.
 
2014-03-19 12:59:28 PM

ikanreed: Smokers continue to deny that ash is not among the things that are meant to be in your lungs.


Which ones did that?
 
2014-03-19 01:15:30 PM

Kevin Lomax: ikanreed: Smokers continue to deny that ash is not among the things that are meant to be in your lungs.

Which ones did that?



Marcus Aurelius: The second hand smoke thing had at least SOME validity.

This is just silly.


All of them.
 
2014-03-19 01:23:07 PM
So what would be the numbers for fireplaces, fire pits, barbecues, wood stoves and campfires?
 
2014-03-19 01:50:29 PM

ikanreed: Smokers continue to deny that ash is not among the things that are meant to be in your lungs.


uh ..wut?
 
2014-03-19 01:51:09 PM
So, ingesting carcinogens increases your chances of getting cancer?  This is my shocked face.
 
2014-03-19 02:30:12 PM

Perlin Noise: ikanreed: Smokers continue to deny that ash is not among the things that are meant to be in your lungs.

uh ..wut?


Or not know it at all, I guess.
 
2014-03-19 03:01:39 PM

Dr Dreidel: And as "silly" as people find "second-hand smoke" studies, they're going to find "third-hand smoke" studies even sillier. This is a second-hand smoke study that they (or maybe just subby) are calling a "third-hand smoke" study.


Maybe, but at this point does it really matter? Is there really anybody left who isn't fully aware that cigarette smoke is dangerous - period - that isn't going to be convinced because of how the warning is worded?
 
2014-03-19 04:30:39 PM
www.green-blog.org
 
2014-03-19 06:37:44 PM
I once heard that someone had smoked at some point.

Will I get cancer now?

Am *I* cancer now?
 
2014-03-19 06:52:44 PM

Radak: I'm married to a smoker and can assure you that seeing smoking on TV or in a movie does increase cancer risk because he has to smoke a cigarette every damn time he seems someone else smoking one.


Get him on e-cigs. Same nicotine fix, no smoke.
 
2014-03-19 06:55:39 PM
I watched "True Detectives" -- am I in danger now?

/Rust Cohle
//that son-of-a-biatch can smoke
 
2014-03-19 07:03:07 PM

silvervial: Get him on e-cigs. Same nicotine fix, no smoke.


Working on exactly that, fingers crossed.
 
2014-03-20 05:37:21 AM

silvervial: Radak: I'm married to a smoker and can assure you that seeing smoking on TV or in a movie does increase cancer risk because he has to smoke a cigarette every damn time he seems someone else smoking one.

Get him on e-cigs. Same nicotine fix, no smoke.


Well, it's definitely not the same nicotine fix. It sure is a damned sight better than the patch or gum, though. I've smoked two packs of Basics a day for 21 years now, and started ecigs about six months ago. I pretty quickly cut down to 6 cigarettes a day without trying too hard, 5 a day with effort. Some days I screw up and smoke half a pack, but I've still not been able to go below 4 a day. The first thing I do in the morning is smoke a cigarette, drink a glass of Pepsi, and smoke another cigarette. Those things are non-negotiable. Maybe I'll be able to quit entirely soon, but it looks like I'll have to drop straight from 5 a day to 0, and just be an insufferable prick for a couple of days.
 
2014-03-20 03:36:01 PM

TopoGigo: silvervial: Radak: I'm married to a smoker and can assure you that seeing smoking on TV or in a movie does increase cancer risk because he has to smoke a cigarette every damn time he seems someone else smoking one.

Get him on e-cigs. Same nicotine fix, no smoke.

Well, it's definitely not the same nicotine fix. It sure is a damned sight better than the patch or gum, though. I've smoked two packs of Basics a day for 21 years now, and started ecigs about six months ago. I pretty quickly cut down to 6 cigarettes a day without trying too hard, 5 a day with effort. Some days I screw up and smoke half a pack, but I've still not been able to go below 4 a day. The first thing I do in the morning is smoke a cigarette, drink a glass of Pepsi, and smoke another cigarette. Those things are non-negotiable. Maybe I'll be able to quit entirely soon, but it looks like I'll have to drop straight from 5 a day to 0, and just be an insufferable prick for a couple of days.


It definitely depends on the e-cig and the nicotine content of the juice. Getting the highest content at first will make the prickishness as low as possible. I think the freedom from the smell of cigarettes alone is a benefit. The different flavors make it a lot more pleasant to be around, for sure.
 
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