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2014-03-19 09:54:31 AM  
Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.
 
2014-03-19 10:18:53 AM  
Seems customers aren't that enthusiastic about having to get Photoshop subscriptions after all.
 
2014-03-19 10:20:11 AM  
It still amazes me that a $47M profit for a quarter is considered a failure.
 
2014-03-19 10:28:26 AM  

bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.


For artwork, I personally recommend Manga Studio 5. For photomanipulation, you're on your own.
 
2014-03-19 10:32:29 AM  
Probably that damn CS cloud sh*t. They will pry the store bought discs of CS6 out of my cold dead mouse and tablet cramped hands.
 
2014-03-19 10:34:55 AM  
Time to update.
 
2014-03-19 10:40:41 AM  
Anybody that makes a product that can be 10 versions out of date if you don't update it for two weeks is not somebody who deserves to be in business.
 
2014-03-19 10:42:30 AM  
Adobe hasn't made software worth a shiat in quite some time. They're slowly sinking as they draw gasping breath from a single product, and that's getting worse and worse too.

It won't be too long now.
 
2014-03-19 10:48:25 AM  
Picture Stone Cold Steve Austin perched on the second rope, flipping the bird to the crowd. That's me when I have to update Flash for the fourth time in a month.
/Fark you Adobe.
 
2014-03-19 10:50:55 AM  
"a subscription-based business model, offers customers more pricing options and flexibility. "

More pricing options, all of which are vastly more expensive than they were previously.


The real reason they're doing this is because of piracy. Relatively few people bought their overpriced software before.
 
2014-03-19 10:52:44 AM  

lemurs: Seems customers aren't that enthusiastic about having to get Photoshop subscriptions after all.


Revenue was up, profits were down. To support a subscription based model, they either had to install more IT infrastructure or outsource it somewhere (like Amazon Web Services). Once those up front costs are realized, they'll become more profitable. That's why their stock was up on the news initially.
 
2014-03-19 10:57:13 AM  

AngryDragon: It still amazes me that a $47M profit for a quarter is considered a failure.


Probably due to your lack of education then.


First, you're not taking revenue into account. If you make $47M on $1T in sales, then you're barely making any money. You'd be better off putting it in a checking account.

Second, you're not taking relevant comparative profits into account. If a software company usually makes, say, 20% profit, and you make 5%, you're doing terrible. If you used to make 20% and suddenly you're making 5% and you don't know why, you're doing terrible.

In this case Adobe does know why, and they're doing better than they expected, which is why the stock was up after the news was released. Then the morons came in and saw "profit down 30% OMG!" and started selling or shorting the stock.
 
2014-03-19 10:58:43 AM  

Whatthefark: Picture Stone Cold Steve Austin perched on the second rope, flipping the bird to the crowd. That's me when I have to update Flash for the fourth time in a month.
/Fark you Adobe.


Yeah! How dare they keep you safe! They should totally let viruses take over your computer instead.
 
2014-03-19 10:59:29 AM  

bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.


The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.
 
2014-03-19 11:10:46 AM  

Bullseyed: Whatthefark: Picture Stone Cold Steve Austin perched on the second rope, flipping the bird to the crowd. That's me when I have to update Flash for the fourth time in a month.
/Fark you Adobe.

Yeah! How dare they keep you safe! They should totally let viruses take over your computer instead.


No, they should put out a product that isn't full of holes and exploits.
 
2014-03-19 11:18:39 AM  

Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.


You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?
 
2014-03-19 11:30:23 AM  

bdub77: Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.

You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?


Spoken like someone that's never actually had to make a living using Photochop and then tried to do the same things in GIMP.

(I haven't, but I shared an office with a couple of designers that did, and listening to them for three months taught me this lesson very well)
 
2014-03-19 12:26:34 PM  

bdub77: Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.

You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?


GIMP is a cute product and nice for the average Joe. It is not a production quality product. Converting Pantone to CMYK doesn't cut it, for example.

Haven't checked GIMP recently, so maybe it supports Pantone now?
 
2014-03-19 12:31:49 PM  

mediablitz: bdub77: Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.

You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?

GIMP is a cute product and nice for the average Joe. It is not a production quality product. Converting Pantone to CMYK doesn't cut it, for example.

Haven't checked GIMP recently, so maybe it supports Pantone now?


I'm saying that alternatives exist. I've used GIMP quite often and it works fine for me. Pantone apparently is proprietary and therefore you have to pay to license it.
 
2014-03-19 12:35:09 PM  

bdub77: Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.

You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?


Bullseyed meant to heap mad respect towards Adobe's marketing team, that's really why they managed to maintain market control for years.
 
2014-03-19 12:38:24 PM  

Bullseyed: AngryDragon: It still amazes me that a $47M profit for a quarter is considered a failure.

Probably due to your lack of education then.


First, you're not taking revenue into account. If you make $47M on $1T in sales, then you're barely making any money. You'd be better off putting it in a checking account.

Second, you're not taking relevant comparative profits into account. If a software company usually makes, say, 20% profit, and you make 5%, you're doing terrible. If you used to make 20% and suddenly you're making 5% and you don't know why, you're doing terrible.

In this case Adobe does know why, and they're doing better than they expected, which is why the stock was up after the news was released. Then the morons came in and saw "profit down 30% OMG!" and started selling or shorting the stock.


So basically you agree with me.  But thank you for insulting me at the outset.  I just didn't have the time for an in depth response at that moment.
 
2014-03-19 12:42:47 PM  
I know it's not their flagship product, but it's amazing people/orgs still purchase Acrobat. I'd guess an ass-pull number of 95% just use it to create a PDF from an Office document, which is built into MS-Office now.

shiat, we still buy it for about 20% of our 1,500 users, and yup, that's all is done. Very few here need to use forms or signing or the other advanced stuff.
 
2014-03-19 01:15:33 PM  

bdub77: I'm saying that alternatives exist. I've used GIMP quite often and it works fine for me. Pantone apparently is proprietary and therefore you have to pay to license it.


And I'm telling you for PROFESSIONALS, alternatives don't exist. You using GIMP to crop a picture doesn't mean it is a viable alternative to PShop in the business world.
 
2014-03-19 01:24:58 PM  

mediablitz: bdub77: I'm saying that alternatives exist. I've used GIMP quite often and it works fine for me. Pantone apparently is proprietary and therefore you have to pay to license it.

And I'm telling you for PROFESSIONALS, alternatives don't exist. You using GIMP to crop a picture doesn't mean it is a viable alternative to PShop in the business world.


I agree.  If you are a pro then Adobe products are still the only choice.  Everybody who approximates their products or libraries gets close but not quite which leads to compatibility problems when you get into the soup of third party libraries.

For the average fellow sitting at home then that's fine I guess.
 
2014-03-19 01:32:59 PM  

xaks: Adobe hasn't made software worth a shiat in quite some time. They're slowly sinking as they draw gasping breath from a single product, and that's getting worse and worse too.

It won't be too long now.


No, that was Quark.

Adobe's gasping breath is drawn from a single suite, where the bulk of the components are the gold standard for professional-grade tooling. rewind2846 has it right: subscription, my ass; you will pry the install media out of my cold dead hands.
 
2014-03-19 01:58:29 PM  

LibertyHiller: xaks: Adobe hasn't made software worth a shiat in quite some time. They're slowly sinking as they draw gasping breath from a single product, and that's getting worse and worse too.

It won't be too long now.

No, that was Quark.

Adobe's gasping breath is drawn from a single suite, where the bulk of the components are the gold standard for professional-grade tooling. rewind2846 has it right: subscription, my ass; you will pry the install media out of my cold dead hands.


Pedantic argument is pedantic, but you're spot on, of course. My point stands though.

And I totally agree, when I saw the presser that they were going full subscription only I started hoarding any physical discs I could find that were CS4 and newer. Made some damn good money off of those!
 
2014-03-19 02:04:12 PM  

The Googles Do Nothing: I agree.  If you are a pro then Adobe products are still the only choice.  Everybody who approximates their products or libraries gets close but not quite which leads to compatibility problems when you get into the soup of third party libraries.


Everytime we buy new computers at my work somebody suggests we save money by installing LibreOffice/OpenOffice instead of buying MS Office. Good luck with that. Yeah, they're usable if you're working for yourself, but try submitting a spreadsheet from LibreOffice to accounting or purchasing, or submitting a test report or scientific paper to your boss for review in something other than .DOC. It won't end well for most.
 
2014-03-19 02:25:20 PM  

Whatthefark: Bullseyed: Whatthefark: Picture Stone Cold Steve Austin perched on the second rope, flipping the bird to the crowd. That's me when I have to update Flash for the fourth time in a month.
/Fark you Adobe.

Yeah! How dare they keep you safe! They should totally let viruses take over your computer instead.

No, they should put out a product that isn't full of holes and exploits.


All software is full of holes and exploits. The more useful it is, the more there are.
 
2014-03-19 02:26:07 PM  

bdub77: Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.

You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?


If GIMP is viable, why hasn't it replaced photoshop as the standard?
 
2014-03-19 02:27:31 PM  

bdub77: mediablitz: bdub77: Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.

You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?

GIMP is a cute product and nice for the average Joe. It is not a production quality product. Converting Pantone to CMYK doesn't cut it, for example.

Haven't checked GIMP recently, so maybe it supports Pantone now?

I'm saying that alternatives exist. I've used GIMP quite often and it works fine for me. Pantone apparently is proprietary and therefore you have to pay to license it.


Walking is an alternative to owning a car. If you have a 30 minute commute by car, it probably isn't a viable one. Which is why I specifically called out "viable" in my post.
 
2014-03-19 02:28:58 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: bdub77: Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.

You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?

Bullseyed meant to heap mad respect towards Adobe's marketing team, that's really why they managed to maintain market control for years.


If buy-in on marketing hype is why people don't consider GIMP (et al) to be viable replacements, more power to them.

We haven't replaced Apple fully because of marketing hype, so its a real thing.
 
2014-03-19 02:36:27 PM  
i1.ytimg.com


Anyone else getting that a lot lately?
 
2014-03-19 03:08:36 PM  

Bullseyed: bdub77: mediablitz: bdub77: Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.

You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?

GIMP is a cute product and nice for the average Joe. It is not a production quality product. Converting Pantone to CMYK doesn't cut it, for example.

Haven't checked GIMP recently, so maybe it supports Pantone now?

I'm saying that alternatives exist. I've used GIMP quite often and it works fine for me. Pantone apparently is proprietary and therefore you have to pay to license it.

Walking is an alternative to owning a car. If you have a 30 minute commute by car, it probably isn't a viable one. Which is why I specifically called out "viable" in my post.


It's a stupid analogy. But go ahead and white knight adobe.
 
2014-03-19 03:21:27 PM  

Whatthefark: Bullseyed: Whatthefark: Picture Stone Cold Steve Austin perched on the second rope, flipping the bird to the crowd. That's me when I have to update Flash for the fourth time in a month.
/Fark you Adobe.

Yeah! How dare they keep you safe! They should totally let viruses take over your computer instead.

No, they should put out a product that isn't full of holes and exploits.


Gawd that's what I hate about java. At least old versions of Flash still run.
 
2014-03-19 03:30:38 PM  

BarryTheMasterOfSandwich: [i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Anyone else getting that a lot lately?


Haven't seen that in a while. Probably visiting some ancient website?
 
2014-03-19 04:26:24 PM  

Bullseyed: Crotchrocket Slim: bdub77: Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.

You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?

Bullseyed meant to heap mad respect towards Adobe's marketing team, that's really why they managed to maintain market control for years.

If buy-in on marketing hype is why people don't consider GIMP (et al) to be viable replacements, more power to them.

We haven't replaced Apple fully because of marketing hype, so its a real thing.


I was thinking the opposite actually, Adobe's marketing is why we're talking about them vs. the Gimp instead of say, Quark Xpress (though Adobe beats Quark in interface and is less of a clusterhump to maintain, at least Mac-side).
 
2014-03-19 04:36:47 PM  

bdub77: It's a stupid analogy. But go ahead and white knight adobe.


Pointing out there are real world, very legitimate reasons professionals use Photoshop instead of GIMP is white knighting Adobe?

Have another scoop of irrational hatred...
 
2014-03-19 06:28:13 PM  

bdub77: You mean like GIMP for photoshop?


GIMP is buggy as hell, is barely maintained, and is based on a toolkit that's not maintained at all. There's no reason to switch to GIMP at this point, it's essentially a dead product.
 
2014-03-19 06:56:33 PM  

Bullseyed: bdub77: Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.

You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?

If GIMP is viable, why hasn't it replaced photoshop as the standard?


Because in reality, bandwagons are not indicative with success.

/majority of internet users still use Internet Explorer
 
2014-03-19 06:57:33 PM  

BarryTheMasterOfSandwich: [i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Anyone else getting that a lot lately?


You know, I have...but only on one person's art stream...
 
2014-03-19 07:56:45 PM  

bdub77: It's a stupid analogy. But go ahead and white knight adobe.


No, not stupid. Some of us aren't just erasing red-eye from gramma's old photos from the nursing home, prepping selfies for facebook or cropping an ex-husband out of those party pictures. We make our living (as in food, rent/mortgage, clothes etc) with this software, and GIMP ain't gonna cut it. InDesign and Illustrator for print and design, Photoshop for photos and painting, After Effects for video, Dreamweaver for web design, and so on. They all do what they do quite well, and that's why they're on top. I have yet to find software that does all of what they do, and I have had some really odd projects over the years... yet never have I had to tell the client "I can't do that" because of the software.

Even if you don't like Adobe, when you get a job and the boss hands you a pneumatic jackhammer and says "get to it", what are you going to do - break out your little "Shawshank Redemption" rock hammer and tell her you're using that instead? You learn what they have, you use what they got, you give them what they need. That's the deal.
 
2014-03-20 01:34:10 AM  

Bullseyed: "a subscription-based business model, offers customers more pricing options and flexibility. "

More pricing options, all of which are vastly more expensive than they were previously.


The real reason they're doing this is because of piracy. Relatively few people bought their overpriced software before.


Are you kidding? They're currently offering 1 year of Photoshop + Lightroom bundle for AUD$9.99/month.

/ Still hate the subscription model, but not because of the pricing
// Haven't paid retail for Adobe products for years
/// Education pricing rocks
//// gonna be in trouble when my kids finish school
 
2014-03-20 01:53:29 AM  
Actually, I was very happy with my last Adobe purchase.

Bought a boxed set of CS Production Premium 5.5 (Premiere Pro, After Effects, Encore, Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat, Media Encoder, etc) for Education pricing (Approx AUD$390) during the "grace period" after CS6 had been announced but not delivered.

What I received was CS 5.5, a redemption code for a download of CS6 when it got released, AND a free copy of CS4. Why CS4? CS5.5 and up are 64-bit only, so "here's a copy of 32-bit CS4 to use until you transition to 64-bit windows".

Three separate serial numbers - I can run CS4 on the field laptop to ingest footage while I work, CS6 on the main machine, and CS5.5 on the backup machine.
 
2014-03-20 02:15:13 AM  
The fact that just about every artist type I know uses an old pirated copy of Photoshop can't be good either.
 
2014-03-20 05:02:03 AM  

Old enough to know better: The fact that just about every artist type I know uses an old pirated copy of Photoshop can't be good either.


It's altogether likely that Adobe factors piracy into its business model. Helps maintain dominant market share. Students steal it and develop skills with it, and then companies buy it for those students when they hire them.
 
2014-03-20 05:06:24 AM  
A company that makes slow, buggy, unstable, grossly overpriced, and even unsafe software is seeing sinking profits? How can that be?

bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.


If you're on a mac, try Pixelmator, with Gimp as a backup for the things it can't do.
 
2014-03-20 11:42:04 AM  

LoneWolf343: Bullseyed: bdub77: Bullseyed: bdub77: Adobe is a terrible company. Apple was spot on with its comments on Flash bugs. I work with Acrobat Pro and it is buggy as hell. As soon as an alternative to Photoshop emerges in the tablet world....well, bye.

The fact that no viable alternate products exist indicates the quality of the product Adobe sells.

You mean like GIMP for photoshop? Or Foxit Reader? Or HTML5?

If GIMP is viable, why hasn't it replaced photoshop as the standard?

Because in reality, bandwagons are not indicative with success.

/majority of internet users still use Internet Explorer


Chrome took the worldwide lead in market share in 2012. Get with the times!  http://www.pcworld.com/article/255886/google_chrome_overtakes_interne t _explorer.html
 
2014-03-20 11:48:27 AM  

ol' gormsby: Bullseyed: "a subscription-based business model, offers customers more pricing options and flexibility. "

More pricing options, all of which are vastly more expensive than they were previously.


The real reason they're doing this is because of piracy. Relatively few people bought their overpriced software before.

Are you kidding? They're currently offering 1 year of Photoshop + Lightroom bundle for AUD$9.99/month.

/ Still hate the subscription model, but not because of the pricing
// Haven't paid retail for Adobe products for years
/// Education pricing rocks
//// gonna be in trouble when my kids finish school


You think a monthly fee into perpetuity is going to be less than a fixed fee up front? For serious?

When most companies construct this sort of thing, they expect payoff before the next version comes out. That means if you pay $10 a month and the product usually costs $300, they'll release new products no more often than every 30 months.

But, microtransactions have taught companies they can slowly jack up costs, and since each individual payment is smaller, they won't notice how much the price is actually increasing. So pretty soon, that will be $15 a month (because who cares about $5) but now instead of $300 you're paying $450.

Finally, as anyone who has completed econ 101 or finance 101 can tell you, money has a time value. If you're taking less money up front, you WILL pay more money in total. to make up for inflation and interest, not to mention the fee for accounting to process their books differently, leveraging the present value of millions of contracts rather than recognizing millions of sales.


There is no scenario where "renting" is cheaper than "owning" which is what Adobe is doing here.
 
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