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2014-03-19 09:14:24 AM  
9 votes:
A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.
2014-03-19 09:37:53 AM  
5 votes:

lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.


Like there's nothing self reliant about a man using his arms to do day labor? Or construction, non skilled, work? Or a yoga instructor? Fry cook? Hell, even a salaryman uses his body and isn't particularly well trained or anything.

Porn is actually a skill, as I understand it, even for the women. Don't these shoots which produce an hour often take 12+ to film?

It's not brain surgery, sure. But like most things in life, it involves a willingness to get dirty and use your body.
2014-03-19 10:21:39 AM  
4 votes:

Sgt Otter: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

The dude who originally outed her looked like a Lamda Lamda Lamda from "Revenge of the Nerds."  The owner of a particularly vile porn site also recognized his name as a subscriber.


...that horrible moment when he realized that there was STILL absolutely no way that she'd sleep with him...

How she makes her money, I don't care. It's legal, she's a consenting adult, and in all honesty, I'd rather see prostitution legalized just to get the pimps out of the game, to see men and women engaged in the trade get some legal protection, as well the chance to see them organized--not to mention get the police and others out of the sex trade directly or indirectly with corruption and bribes paid to them--and paying their taxes. The sex industry is huge, and the revenue is just sort of hidden away and laundered and it only makes money for folks who are less than scrupulous to begin with, so let's bring it out into the light, and stop the faux moralizing about it, when every damn town in the nation has its prostitutes. Legalize it already, and get these folks some decent medical care, real protection that doesn't involve pimps, and stringing folks out on drugs to keep them compliant.

As for the "strong woman" motif: I don't care. It's none of my damn business. Too gottverdammt Nosey Nellies in the world as it is.

What kills me about this whole thing is this: folks get themselves all up on a high horse about porn, yet don't seem to be all that incensed about viewing the stuff. If you're watching porn, and you're disgusted at the thought of this woman: congrats, you're part of the damn problem. It's better to be the reason that it's profitable, than getting paid. You'd rather be the entire reason for an industry, make demands upon it, but then look down on the folks who make fodder for your evening wank. Get over it. It's porn. You like it well enough, but the moment that the people might actually appear to be real, and not just sprites, then it becomes all icky. And maybe that's the problem...
2014-03-19 09:35:23 AM  
4 votes:

frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.


Why not both? The world needs more sex-positive feminists, and people like to watch attractive women f*ck. It's win-win for everybody.
2014-03-19 10:01:38 AM  
3 votes:

kroonermanblack: lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.

Like there's nothing self reliant about a man using his arms to do day labor? Or construction, non skilled, work? Or a yoga instructor? Fry cook? Hell, even a salaryman uses his body and isn't particularly well trained or anything.

Porn is actually a skill, as I understand it, even for the women. Don't these shoots which produce an hour often take 12+ to film?

It's not brain surgery, sure. But like most things in life, it involves a willingness to get dirty and use your body.



How dare you question the moral discourse of labor and class distinction?

Day laborers and construction workers are exploited by the system for their physical strength, except when they're real men with real man jobs, getting their hands dirty and building America. Fry cooks and yoga instructors are all potheads, and the yoga instructors are either gay or date rapists.

Women's sex must be protected for the good of the nation and used by its men.
2014-03-19 09:51:25 AM  
3 votes:

Billy Bathsalt: Thus making the world safe for good little misses and their ever-present football player rapists.


They were all in love with dyin', they were doin' it in Texas?
2014-03-19 09:32:29 AM  
3 votes:
Thus making the world safe for good little misses and their ever-present football player rapists.
2014-03-19 02:09:40 PM  
2 votes:

lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.


No. I just don't give a rat's ass what she does. It's none of my damn business. I'm not f*cking her. I'm not watching this crap, because it means absolutely zero to me. I don't care what she does. But I am sort of amused by the moralists who've leaped to complain bitterly, especially on a site that has a big ass Boobies tag on it...
2014-03-19 11:25:29 AM  
2 votes:

Cerebral Ballsy: Cymbal: Latinwolf: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

So most of the farkers in this thread calling her a slut are women?

Possibly. I know Cerebral Ballsy gets her panties twisted over her.

Aaaand your true colors show.

/sexist


That's not sexist to point out, when specifically asked about it, that women do indeed slut shame and also provide a valid example.
2014-03-19 10:12:31 AM  
2 votes:

QueenMamaBee: $57K per year for Duke.


There is no major you could do that would make that worthwhile.
2014-03-19 10:07:32 AM  
2 votes:
I of course hunted down her films and watched one of them. She gets absolutely used and abused while they call her names like "slut" and "whore" and gag her. People can be into whatever they want to be into, I'm not critical of it from that standpoint.

But she claims to be a feminist and a women's studies major. And she said porn was "freeing".  Now, I'm all for sexual liberty and eliminating double-standards when it comes to people's sexual practices, but to call porn "freeing" means she was initially burdened by something that this frees her from. I'm supposing that burden was the idea that society frowns on women having healthy sexuality. So why the secret identity? Why the fear of what other people would think? If you're doing this in the shadows are you really doing anything to help unburden anything at all?

And when it comes to being a feminist, I could be confused and way off base here, but I think that flies in the face (pun intended) of what she does in her films. I'm sure to spark a debate about what is considered "degrading" to women. I'm sure it has something to do with the particular woman's motivation and personal enjoyment / willingness to engage in certain activities, but how is actingsubservient and being called a "slut" and a "whore" on film doing anything to push the ideas of feminine equality in the sexual arena?

tl;dr:  She's an immature attention whore  whose opinions and philosophies are less than half-baked.
2014-03-19 10:06:26 AM  
2 votes:

lennavan: frepnog: that's it, ladies. keep thinking you can have a life after porn. seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Specifically, this girl wants to be taking seriously as a feminist/women's studies major after a life in porn.


It seems that real experience in porn would give someone excellent insight into women's issues. Heck, she's getting some serious education on America's collective madonna/whore complex right now.
2014-03-19 10:02:16 AM  
2 votes:

Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).


This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.
2014-03-19 09:57:30 AM  
2 votes:
Okay, we've found a threshold of slut-hating that fark won't defend.  That's nice.
2014-03-19 09:55:19 AM  
2 votes:

kroonermanblack: lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.

Like there's nothing self reliant about a man using his arms to do day labor? Or construction, non skilled, work? Or a yoga instructor? Fry cook? Hell, even a salaryman uses his body and isn't particularly well trained or anything.

Porn is actually a skill, as I understand it, even for the women. Don't these shoots which produce an hour often take 12+ to film?

It's not brain surgery, sure. But like most things in life, it involves a willingness to get dirty and use your body.



I understand you want to argue back by showing a double standard about men.  You know there are male porn stars too, right?  So we can actually talk about the actual male equivalent.  And I feel the same way about them which is -- when I think about self reliant people, I don't think porn stars.  When I teach my kids about self-reliance, I'm not going to use being a porn star as a great example.
2014-03-19 09:47:04 AM  
2 votes:
31.media.tumblr.com

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.
2014-03-19 09:31:34 AM  
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.


And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.
2014-03-19 09:31:22 AM  
2 votes:
Knox, a self-described feminist and women's studies major,

She should be thanking her detractors for keeping her from wasting her money.
2014-03-19 09:31:18 AM  
2 votes:
sounds like it's mostly chicks who are jealous she gets paid to bang dudes with giant wangs.
2014-03-19 08:46:31 AM  
2 votes:
The good news is she finally realized Duke sucks.
2014-03-20 05:36:43 AM  
1 vote:

hubiestubert: lennavan: doubled99: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.
I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.

Why are you so fixated on this triviality? jesus christ, go rub one out, weirdo

Because I think sending the message that porn brings her unimaginable joy when reality is the opposite does a great disservice to girls considering going into porn.

Why are you so fixated on defending her?  She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.

Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.


Re:our business

She's a farking porn start feminist **blogger**
2014-03-19 08:40:28 PM  
1 vote:
I'm too damned tired to read through all of the posts now so I'm just going to leave my 2 cents worth:

What the fark is wrong with people?!  There is absolutely no reason this young lady should be getting death threats!! Grow the fark up, you immature, insecure jackasses!!!
2014-03-19 08:34:50 PM  
1 vote:

Target Builder: Clutch2013:

Except, per Knox herself (because Bagley isn't saying shiat to defend himself), the asshole found her first. Just as easy as you say that, I'm going to theorize that he recognized her, approached her, and creeped her out. Despite that, she pled with him to keep this between themselves. He said yes, then went and started blabbing because the encounter didn't end the way he wanted it to.

The guy told a few of his friends and some gossip spread on campus. Then Ms Knox started writing articles that turned this into something a few people at Duke knew about into a nation wide publicity tour including TV appearances. If she had skipped the publicity tour the chances any of us would know about it would be minimal. Loads of women manage dips into porn and/or the sex industry while in college and go on to professional careers afterwards - because they don't write article after article and then go on TV to promote their porn career as "The Duke Coed Porn Star".


Well, like I said earlier, she's trying to control the message. Whether she has been successful or not is still up for debate.

Consider the following amendment to previous statements white knighting if you want, but this still all starts with Bagley. Per the nymag.com article (which I just read), he learns a secret from someone who deems him trustworthy, and his near-immediate reaction is to go get shiat-faced at a Duke frat party. So he's not a vengeful perv. Instead, he's a farking idiot.

At least I can understand why he's not talking now.
2014-03-19 06:48:17 PM  
1 vote:

ongbok: I think it is sad that you people are all blaming the guy for outing her. She outed herself by telling him. If she didn't want anybody to know she wouldn't have told him. And I don't believe for a minute that he is the only person she told. She probably did what a lot of 19 and 19 year old college freshmen do and tell people very personal stuff about themselves that they shouldn't be sharing thinking it will make them interesting and stand out. I had no doubt that she told people this thinking it would make them think she was edgy and cool. And when it didn't turn out the way she thought it would and she started getting blowback, out of all the people she told, she picked the one that she didn't mind losing as a friend and threw him under the bus to gain public sympathy.


Except, per Knox herself (because Bagley isn't saying shiat to defend himself), the asshole found her first. Just as easy as you say that, I'm going to theorize that he recognized her, approached her, and creeped her out. Despite that, she pled with him to keep this between themselves. He said yes, then went and started blabbing because the encounter didn't end the way he wanted it to.

In fact, I'm more inclined to believe that, because I've seen firsthand the attitude that leads to stuff like this and "revenge porn". Really, whatever you want to think about Belle, nothing that has come out about Bagley says anything other than "vengeful prick".
2014-03-19 02:44:31 PM  
1 vote:

scubamage: I went to college with a retired porn star, Alicia Alighatti. She was actually a really, REALLY cool girl. And incredibly intelligent. She did it to make money for school, and she now owns a ranch and is married to a cool guy. She didn't have crazy issues beyond wanting to make money (she worked 2 jobs while being a full time student). She was, in fact, an empowered woman who felt she had a resource she could leverage to make money in a way she felt was fun (and ultimately temporary). The worst part about it was the crap other people put her through over it.

I also saw her drop a douchebag fratboy in a single punch because he was harassing her about her past we left the bar one night. You don't mess with farm girls. I'm glad she's moved beyond it all and has a nice happy marriage and pretty much everything she wanted. She deserved it.


Now THAT is a cool story, bro.
2014-03-19 02:41:31 PM  
1 vote:
I went to college with a retired porn star, Alicia Alighatti. She was actually a really, REALLY cool girl. And incredibly intelligent. She did it to make money for school, and she now owns a ranch and is married to a cool guy. She didn't have crazy issues beyond wanting to make money (she worked 2 jobs while being a full time student). She was, in fact, an empowered woman who felt she had a resource she could leverage to make money in a way she felt was fun (and ultimately temporary). The worst part about it was the crap other people put her through over it.

I also saw her drop a douchebag fratboy in a single punch because he was harassing her about her past we left the bar one night. You don't mess with farm girls. I'm glad she's moved beyond it all and has a nice happy marriage and pretty much everything she wanted. She deserved it.
2014-03-19 02:22:38 PM  
1 vote:
Look, I consume porn because it makes me feel good in two ways:

1.  Orgasms, obviously.

2.  The knowledge that, even though I just furiously stroked myself to completion while watching some young girl have every hole creamed and reamed, at least I'm still better than her.

This hussy needs to stop trying to take that away from me.  I won't stand for it!
2014-03-19 02:12:38 PM  
1 vote:

hubiestubert: lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.

No. I just don't give a rat's ass what she does. It's none of my damn business. I'm not f*cking her. I'm not watching this crap, because it means absolutely zero to me. I don't care what she does. But I am sort of amused by the moralists who've leaped to complain bitterly, especially on a site that has a big ass Boobies tag on it...


Lennavan is not a moralist.  He has acknowledged that he supports the porn industry.  He just can't imagine that anyone in the porn industry could be possibly happy with the decision.

In essence, he is knowingly supporting an industry that he feels destroys lives.  So I would say that exckudes him from being a moralist.  Pretty much the opposite.

He does guise his hypocrisy behind a nice 'won't womeone think of the children' facade, though
2014-03-19 01:33:41 PM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: MycroftHolmes: That she hasn't experienced any negatives now and has enjoyed her time is not even close to inconsistent with the idea that she knows it is not wise for her long term goals.

If she knew that she wouldn't be doing it in the first place. It's not like a future prospective employer that might take issue with this is going parse just how many scenes she filmed and have some over/under number in mind that would make it ok with them.

Plus with the doubling down with stripping and all thus adding another line in her sex industry resume and doing press about it on top of it all, I'm not sure she's entirely cognizant of impacts on her stated long term goals.


...and yet, there are folks like Nina Hartley and Candye Kane who flout the curve.

And there are plenty of failed Women's Studies grads who fail miserably to make use of their degree every year WITHOUT the stain of porn in their career. There are plenty of business majors who wind up failing miserably without frat stunts staining their repuatation. Failure is always an option. Blaming those failures on a single portion of a decision tree, as opposed to a nest of reasons, that is simplistic to a fair degree.

What a lot of folks are saying, is that porn or even nude modeling doesn't mean instafailure. Nor does a tattoo mean that you can never get a decent job. It's NOT your decision perhaps, and indeed, she may not manage to pull herself into a grand career, but that isn't just the fault of the decision to do porn. Heck, one my kids from the Iron Horse paid for her schooling thanks to nude modeling and porn shoots. She has a decent real estate career now, and banked her money fair well, and scads of basement dwellers wanking to her shoots paid for her schooling. The issue that I have with this whole "outrage" is that folks are judging her, while I'm betting that they've got scads of nudes, fairly hardcore mpgs, and more squirreled away on their hard drives, and are moralizing on her choices, when they support the industry that she chose to help her get through school. It's fine to consume the product, just not make it. It's a way of distancing themselves from the "degradation" while sponsoring it.

And that is just blind hypocrisy.
2014-03-19 01:21:18 PM  
1 vote:

lennavan: MycroftHolmes: And she is not the only porn star who has expressed these same emotions.

Yeah, and later they admit they were lying.


Every single one of them?  There have been no porn stars that have been consistent in the support of the industry?

Now you are just making crap up.
2014-03-19 12:42:06 PM  
1 vote:

lennavan: I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means. This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career. But she'll quit the moment she can. That makes sense to you, somehow.


Luckily we have you here to manslplain it for all of us
2014-03-19 12:38:15 PM  
1 vote:

Lee451: Considering all the comments here, how many of you guys (who think this is "empowering"/"great"/"because Jesus") would approve if it were your mother, sister or daughter performing in porn films? The only difference between this woman and a prostitute is that she gets paid more and has it filmed.

What does she do when she turns 40 other than do on the adult bookstore picture singing circuit?


There are a number of former female porn stars who went into production, distribution, and talent management in the business. Some of the particularly savvy ones actually are quite successful at it.

If anyone seems a likely candidate for being successful in that endeavor, it's a woman who was smart enough to get accepted at a reasonably prestigious school (even if Duke Sux)
2014-03-19 12:36:43 PM  
1 vote:

lennavan: elysive: lennavan: I don't understand how you can believe these two things simultaneously:

1) This is job brings her unimaginable joy and pays a great deal of money
2) The moment she doesn't have to do it anymore she's going to quit

Do you at least experience a feeling of discomfort holding those two things to be true?

Can I ask why you feel any emotions about this girl? She isnt forcing you, or your daughters, into a life of porn and stripping. Or is she? Damn.

Well, this girl with national attention on her is telling the nation in published articles, girls included, that porn has an incorrect stigma about it and it brings her unimaginable joy.  If that's true, by all means more power to her for bringing the truth to light.  It's not true, she's full of shiat, she's only doing porn to pay the bills and she's going to quit the moment she can.

Can I ask why you're defending this girl?  She isn't going to sleep with you.  Or is she?  Damn.


I'm a woman and I never bothered looking at her links. Her choice of sexual partners isnt really my concern...but apparently it's yours?

I'm sorry if America's children are so impressionable that they believe and try to emulate everything they read (lol, what am I saying, today's children cant read!). Go on villifying someone you dont know and calling them a liar. Your behavior reflects more on you than her.

I've never considered doing porn, though I think people should be able to do it without hypocritical ninnies running their mouths like they know shiat. For good or bad I suspect people like you are increasing the national attention she's getting.This girl may be lying or she may truly believe what she's saying. It's neither my business nor concern and doesnt affect my life in the least (well except with these fun Fark threads). :)
2014-03-19 12:28:18 PM  
1 vote:
I watched some of her work this morning.  She is young and in good shape.  Cute, but not "OMG!" cute.

The only thing I would say she needs to work on is to be more vocal.  She doesn't say much.  She needs to be a little more vocal and energetic.

The people attacking her are the ones who should have garbage thrown on them.  Hypocrites.
2014-03-19 12:27:33 PM  
1 vote:

doubled99: if I became extremely wealthy


This girl is going to quit the moment she graduates from Duke.  Not the moment she becomes extremely wealthy.

doubled99: could retire to the islands


This girl isn't going to quit when she can retire.  She's going to quit the moment she graduates from Duke so she can go into another profession.

doubled99: In addition, some people are smart enough to realize that their likes and wants might actually change over time.


This girl is telling us she would quit RIGHT NOW if Duke would simply give her financial aid.

Also, this job brings her unimaginable joy.
2014-03-19 12:26:42 PM  
1 vote:

lennavan: Can I ask why you're defending this girl? She isn't going to sleep with you. Or is she? Damn.


Because she has do no one any harm, while being threatened by idiots.  This applies to any person of any gender or age.
2014-03-19 12:09:34 PM  
1 vote:

lennavan: I don't understand how you can believe these two things simultaneously:

1) This is job brings her unimaginable joy and pays a great deal of money
2) The moment she doesn't have to do it anymore she's going to quit

Do you at least experience a feeling of discomfort holding those two things to be true?


Can I ask why you feel any emotions about this girl? She isnt forcing you, or your daughters, into a life of porn and stripping. Or is she? Damn.
2014-03-19 12:07:00 PM  
1 vote:

lennavan: elysive: You never quit a job or career you enjoyed because of better opportunities? I have but maybe that's just me.

Did you not read what I directly quoted from her?  What possible BETTER opportunity could there be than a job that:

 fulfills me
been nothing but supportive, exciting, thrilling and empowering
something I absolutely love
brings me unimaginable joy
It is my artistic outlet: my love, my happiness, my home.
have never felt more empowered or happy doing anything else
It is freeing, it is empowering, it is wonderful, it is how the world should be.

Oh by the way, it also pays a shiat load of money.  The moment she graduates she's going to quit, the only reason she continues to do it is to pay the bills.  Also, it brings her unimaginable joy?  You're buying that crap?  We have arrived at comedic levels of stupidity here.


Maybe the pay isnt steady or predictable (i heard Jason Bateman talking about those problems in entertaining yesterday in NPR). Maybe she can foresee a time when she's old and crusty and her directors/producers wont sign her. Maybe she finds intellectual pursuits equally fulfilling and wants a change. I gave up one good, fulfilling job because it was energy sucking and I saw a desk job (which paid a little less) as more sustainable.

But clearly this girl needs to answer to you regarding her apparent contradictions.
2014-03-19 12:00:17 PM  
1 vote:

Cerebral Ballsy: I never slut-shamed her. I don't care about people's sex habits. You keep trying to peg me but you're way off, and I'm getting tired of it.


I'll get accused of White-Knighting for saying this, but it's crazy that people are getting all judgey with you because they think you're being judgey with her and they don't like it.
2014-03-19 11:57:34 AM  
1 vote:

Frank N Stein: MycroftHolmes: I agree with you above point that people who name drop about all the philosophy books that they have read in an effort to look smart are really just douches.

You might get the irony after a bit.

I mentioned Hobbes because I wanted to give the reader an idea of where my formal education of the subject ends, which is why I said I don't have a very good grasp on philosophy past his writings. "Hobbes" is just a marker to show where I am in uneducated philosophical territory, which is quite the opposite of an "effort to look smart"

Reading is fundamental.


Got it.  You mentioned a specific topic because you wanted to make sure the reader knew how educated you were on a topic.  You honestly see this as different?  You honestly do not see trying to have a shallow discussion on philosophy ion a Fark thread on porn as anything but narcissistic preening, but doubly amusing by the fact that you started off by condemning the same in someone else.

Think back, why was it important that you let someone know exactly how much you knew about philosophy, particularly in this forum.

I know you will rebut with some well constructed sophistry or smoke screen, but if you were honest with yourself, you would realize the truth.
2014-03-19 11:52:54 AM  
1 vote:

MycroftHolmes: I agree with you above point that people who name drop about all the philosophy books that they have read in an effort to look smart are really just douches.

You might get the irony after a bit.


I mentioned Hobbes because I wanted to give the reader an idea of where my formal education of the subject ends, which is why I said I don't have a very good grasp on philosophy past his writings. "Hobbes" is just a marker to show where I am in uneducated philosophical territory, which is quite the opposite of an "effort to look smart"

Reading is fundamental.
2014-03-19 11:49:06 AM  
1 vote:

Zizzowop: why would people be giving her death threats.


A false belief in anonymity.
2014-03-19 11:48:08 AM  
1 vote:
The asshole who outed her should be expelled.
2014-03-19 11:43:23 AM  
1 vote:
Alot fo serious talk here.  All I know is that after the story broke I googled this lady and at least one of her videos was available.  It was much more "clean" than what is generally out there.  I hope she made a royalty.  I won't likely have any more contact with her career.

I don't care how she makes her money to go to school.  It's her business.

From all the publicity, however, seems she could leverage more pay for her film and appearance work.  If so, she earned it in a competitive marketplace.

Really, it would be good for her to return to school after the excitement dies down.  It would seem that porn is not a sustainable profession.  After a couple of years she will likely have to retire.  She needs a fallback profession.
2014-03-19 11:38:35 AM  
1 vote:
Thank goodness there are people on fark willing to tell feminists what jobs they should not have. Thanks for telling it like it is, people! Nothing is quite as empowering for women as having one's life dictated by busy-bodies.

/of course none of you naysayers watch porn then, right? Cause by your own standards that would mean you demean women
2014-03-19 11:36:29 AM  
1 vote:
The guy that outed her should be kicked in the nuts. I still like his tweet about how he thought he could fark her. He would be lucky if she spit in his face after she blew a dude.
2014-03-19 11:35:03 AM  
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TrainingWheelsNeeded: MycroftHolmes: lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.

If you are being sarcastic, you are an idiot.  A person utilizing the assets or talents to support themselves, in whatever legal and ethical capacity, is showing self reliance.

And you do not even want to get into the mess of approaching the hypocrisy of a person openly selling sex, when sex is indirectly sold in just about every industry (ever notice how salespeople for male dominated industries happen to be attractive females...how is what they are doing any different than a porn star, except ion a matter of degree).

There is a little difference between Cindy Crawford holding a phallic-shaped can of pepsi and taking a hot load to the face from a number of dicks. While this girls effort may be a form of self-reliance, it wouldn't exactly be modeled as something dependable or stable. That is where degrees of difference might play. The sexual double standard I don't think is the issue here. She thinks it is, the people sending her the hate mail are also caught up in this, but I don't think she or they have thought her cunning plans all the way through.


To some people, yes there is a difference.  But why?  Why are strippers looked down upon, but swimsuit models are not.  This is more a of a projection of American hangups on sex on to the person then it is a reflection of the person.  I do acknowledge that sometime the person (porn actress or stripper) is in that profession specifically because of the weird American hangups on sex (in other words, they are drawn to it because they are drawn to things they feel are unhealthy or wrong).  But I see nothing inherently different from a person who sell implied sex and a person who sells sex.
2014-03-19 11:12:13 AM  
1 vote:

Clutch2013: It would certainly be nice to see a follow-up story where that jock dickhead can't get or hold any kind of a job that requires even the slightest inkling of trust.


Duh. Jock dickheads go into sales or marketing. Nobody trusts those people anyway.
2014-03-19 11:10:41 AM  
1 vote:

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."

Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

She said he apologized and she apparently accepted it, what else are you looking for?

She may have accepted his apology, but I don't.


Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment. She herself has apparently gotten over it and is now in the process of cashing in on it.

 What he did was immature and reprehensible.

So is the desire to physically attack someone that has done nothing to you over an already reconciled issue with a third party that you don't know.
2014-03-19 11:06:24 AM  
1 vote:
Props to her for coming up with "jobs" with that face, woof.
2014-03-19 10:53:10 AM  
1 vote:

lockers: ikanreed: Okay, we've found a threshold of slut-hating that fark won't defend.  That's nice.

lennavan: And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills

It's odd when the politics tab has less counterpoint than main. Maybe you have an opposing view.


Lennavan is just always wrong.  I'd be more worried if he were right about something.
2014-03-19 10:46:49 AM  
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lennavan: kroonermanblack:  Actually my point was that, stigma aside, porn actors are simply actors, people making money with their bodies.

So how do you feel about people doing day labor, or other non skilled labor? I say non skilled so is can exclude electricians, plumbers, etc. how about actors?

Personally I don't really care. There's a lot of money to be made in the sex industry, so I don't see it much differently than going off to work in Afghanistan or offshore etc to make a huge amount of money and party hard while you are young.

I'm not against doing porn.  I love porn.  I'm against thinking of porn stars as great shining beacons of self-reliance and I think this girl is full of shiat.  Let's not pretend the porn industry is all super happy fun time.  See for instance:

Cymbal: Here's a thought. Maybe strippers and sex-workers wouldn't need to be drunk and/or high all the time if they were treated like any other human being trying to make it in the world.

Savanna Samson was interviewed by ABC a few years back and she said she had to get high just to make it through some of the scenes she had to do (multiple guys at the same time, choking, hitting, etc).  So I don't think they get high because other people look down on them.


Or maybe she was high and drunk all the time BEFORE she got into porn, and porn is one of the few occupations that will pay a woman who is constantly drunk and high?
2014-03-19 10:43:43 AM  
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HotWingConspiracy: Clutch2013: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."

Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

She said he apologized and she apparently accepted it, what else are you looking for?

Well, she's pretty much having her entire life turned upside down.

Is she? She's parlaying this in to stripping gigs in NYC where the money is at.

 Why not him?

"He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."
It would certainly be nice to see a follow-up story where that jock dickhead can't get or hold any kind of a job that requires even the slightest inkling of trust.

That dude was no jock. Or at least didn't appear to be. And he'll be just fine in the job market.


Yeah, he's got a great future writing listicles for BuzzFeed for $25K/year.
2014-03-19 10:40:49 AM  
1 vote:
Call me a cynic but I think the whole outing of herself was staged. She has made an absolute name for herself as a star, and her outing not only gave he tons of publicity but it certifies her as a legitimate college girl for those who thrive with that niche. Maybe it got a little out of her control, but I'm convinced this whole damn thing was set up from stage 1.
2014-03-19 10:38:20 AM  
1 vote:

kroonermanblack: Actually my point was that, stigma aside, porn actors are simply actors, people making money with their bodies.


Heh, I loved that time Sasha Grey was on Tyra Banx's talk show and just PULVERIZED her stupid ass with basically that comment.  "Don't you feel bad about selling your body this way blah blah."  "Uh... did you when you were selling your body?" *Tyra looks like she got her face slapped off of her head*
2014-03-19 10:36:02 AM  
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HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."

Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

She said he apologized and she apparently accepted it, what else are you looking for?


Well, she's pretty much having her entire life turned upside down.  Why not him?

It would certainly be nice to see a follow-up story where that jock dickhead can't get or hold any kind of a job that requires even the slightest inkling of trust.
2014-03-19 10:34:47 AM  
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spiderpaz: There's nothing wrong with what she's doing, but I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.


The real problem with her chosen way of going through school is that it translates to stigma in her career. Granted womens studies won't help either, but this will follow her for the rest of her life. My guess is she will burn out in the porn scene and be flipping burgers in 10 years.
2014-03-19 10:33:14 AM  
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Cerebral Ballsy: Fissile: Her mother is Indian, of the subcontinental variety.  Indian men, who watch loads of online porn, get totally freaked from Indian woman they perceive as "loose".   I'm guessing that's where the death threats are probably coming from.

As for the slut shaming from everyone else, I really don't get it.   I had a friend who was the IT guy at a place I used to work.  Years ago, while he was living in Florida, he was approached by some guys who were producing porn vids.   The porn producers hired my friend to design a porn website for this new intrawebz thingy.

My IT friend became very knowledgeable about the porn biz, and the kind of girls who do porn.  The stereotypes about porn chicks are true....most are drug addicts, alcoholics,  have psychological problems or a combination of all of the above.   It's my understanding that this girl likes to cut on herself.

This girl's life is a train wreck in motion, it's disgusting how so many people are feeding off of this.

For 7 years I dated a guy whose family owned strip bars. I grew up in a Catholic family in rural Florida. It was nothing short of culture shock when my BF went to work for the family bars handling the books.

The women were exactly as you described. I saw fights over who stole whose cocaine from their locker. Every day the girls were trashed at work.. Some of them looked like zombies. I learned a lot about women's studies and so will this young lady.

I went on a double date with my BF and his father and his father's stripper GF. They started talking business and complaining that the girls were always drunk or high, a situation the owners tolerated. His dad made a comment like "I just don't understand why they can't be sober when they work". And I said "because they are trying to forget who they are and where they are."

I knew two people in that business who weren't constantly farked up.. My BF's father's GF, and a chick I met in college. Everyone else was perpetually wasted and their lives were modern tragedies.


Slut-shaming is a helluva drug.

Here's a thought. Maybe strippers and sex-workers wouldn't need to be drunk and/or high all the time if they were treated like any other human being trying to make it in the world.
2014-03-19 10:30:35 AM  
1 vote:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I've never understood what the problem with porn is. Lots of women can't give a decent hummer for love or money, why shouldn't a woman who can and is willing to produce a product people want be able to make a living at it?


You must not have seen her porn ... she's not talented.  She just lays there getting farked.  Female porn stars aren't making money because they're outstanding ... they make money because they are willing to do things that other people would be too ashamed to do.  She completely entitled to her money, and doesn't deserve to be harassed - but I would say the same thing about a prostitute (and she is a prostitute).  There's nothing wrong with what she's doing, but I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.
2014-03-19 10:25:36 AM  
1 vote:

lennavan: This is such a farking joke. You know what, if you want to believe the bullshiat this girl is peddling, you go right ahead. You're right, she's a real self reliant hero, worthy of admiration. Little girls should be taught about how great she is.


You seem concerned.
2014-03-19 10:20:55 AM  
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MycroftHolmes: lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.

If you are being sarcastic, you are an idiot.  A person utilizing the assets or talents to support themselves, in whatever legal and ethical capacity, is showing self reliance.

And you do not even want to get into the mess of approaching the hypocrisy of a person openly selling sex, when sex is indirectly sold in just about every industry (ever notice how salespeople for male dominated industries happen to be attractive females...how is what they are doing any different than a porn star, except ion a matter of degree).



This is such a farking joke.  You know what, if you want to believe the bullshiat this girl is peddling, you go right ahead.  You're right, she's a real self reliant hero, worthy of admiration.  Little girls should be taught about how great she is.
2014-03-19 10:18:16 AM  
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I've never understood what the problem with porn is. Lots of women can't give a decent hummer for love or money, why shouldn't a woman who can and is willing to produce a product people want be able to make a living at it?
And dude porn stars too. Lots of guys will never be able to perform even the base retirement (having a huge dick) much less be able to get and maintain multiple erections and have controlled ejaculations.
There are more worthless, scummy jobs out there. Like HR manager. Or lawyer.
2014-03-19 10:15:15 AM  
1 vote:

jdjoker: Billy Bathsalt: Thus making the world safe for good little misses and their ever-present football player rapists.

Watch your mouth, bro. Duke's accused rapists were lacrosse players. They'll totally pop their collars on you.


Lacrosse is a tough, vicious sport. Lacrosse is actually Algonquin for "bloodsport".
2014-03-19 10:13:12 AM  
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Super_pope: She'll have 2-3 days of having sex on film every other week for the next couple of years, make a few million dollars, then go back to get her degree when she's tired of it.

Sounds farking ideal, but there are a bunch of people out there acting like this is some kind of tragic life.  If I could make out like a bandit on having people film me while I experience pleasure I would literally be all over that, and nobody would act like I'm tragic.  Cause I'm a dude.

Make it a woman having sex like that though and its just awful.  Awful :'(


First of all, you don't make millions in porno unless you're at the top of the popularity pyramid.

Second, here's the sad fact of it: society treats female (and who knows maybe male) porn stars like they have job herpes afterward. Good luck to her if she ever tries to be taken seriously. The assholes who drove her out of Duke will be there when she tries to get a non-industry job later, too.

Most women involved are working through issues of past sexual abuse, some aren't. Most women involved are sex addicts, some aren't. Most people involved are heavy into drug use, some aren't. It will start to get to her eventually.

Lastly: she's not too farking bright for someone who got into Duke if she didn't see this harassment coming.
2014-03-19 10:08:48 AM  
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Gaseous Anomaly: lennavan: frepnog: that's it, ladies. keep thinking you can have a life after porn. seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Specifically, this girl wants to be taking seriously as a feminist/women's studies major after a life in porn.

It seems that real experience in porn would give someone excellent insight into women's issues. Heck, she's getting some serious education on America's collective madonna/whore complex right now.


Would make a good thesis, that's for sure.
2014-03-19 10:08:45 AM  
1 vote:
Well, thank goodness she has a job she can fall back on, give more f*cks about.
2014-03-19 10:06:32 AM  
1 vote:

Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.


"Prized resource"? Don't put the pussy on a pedestal.

I have no problem with porn stars. I have a problem with people who don't deal with reality. She's going to crash, and hard.
2014-03-19 10:04:52 AM  
1 vote:
Her mother is Indian, of the subcontinental variety.  Indian men, who watch loads of online porn, get totally freaked from Indian woman they perceive as "loose".   I'm guessing that's where the death threats are probably coming from.

As for the slut shaming from everyone else, I really don't get it.   I had a friend who was the IT guy at a place I used to work.  Years ago, while he was living in Florida, he was approached by some guys who were producing porn vids.   The porn producers hired my friend to design a porn website for this new intrawebz thingy.

My IT friend became very knowledgeable about the porn biz, and the kind of girls who do porn.  The stereotypes about porn chicks are true....most are drug addicts, alcoholics,  have psychological problems or a combination of all of the above.   It's my understanding that this girl likes to cut on herself.

This girl's life is a train wreck in motion, it's disgusting how so many people are feeding off of this.
2014-03-19 10:03:54 AM  
1 vote:

The hopeless imp: FTA: "I've made between 25-30 videos, and at the rate I'm going, I've made enough to pay for this year."

Either that's an expensive school, or I way overestimate how much a porn star makes.


The Internet has probably lowered porno pay rates.
2014-03-19 10:01:37 AM  
1 vote:

Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.


She's a sex addict with daddy issues. Please do not buy into her "New Feminism" bullshiat.

Also as someone who went right from a sheltered home in the 'burbs to sucking cox I think she's more "dependent" than "independent".

I don't wish her any ill will, I just despise it when people lie to themselves because they can't face the truth.
2014-03-19 09:50:15 AM  
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There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).
2014-03-19 09:49:29 AM  
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Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.


I bet she is better read than you. Seriously, just stop.
2014-03-19 09:40:28 AM  
1 vote:

Headso: sounds like it's mostly chicks who are jealous she gets paid to bang dudes with giant wangs.


And that their boyfriends are jacking off to her.
2014-03-19 09:40:07 AM  
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Also, fun fact. I'm good friends with a girl who's older sister did some porn (Roxie Deville is her porn name). I've met her a few times. She's retired from the business now and married to the guy who took over for Adam Corolla on Love Line.
2014-03-19 09:40:00 AM  
1 vote:
She's actually quite....homely.
2014-03-19 09:39:26 AM  
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Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.


Don't forget "because Jesus". It's often a factor, and never not a factor in the South.
2014-03-19 09:30:50 AM  
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"I am still getting death threats," she told FOX411. "I've had people threaten to throw trash on me."

What a weird follow up. You would think you would reverse those.
2014-03-19 09:22:59 AM  
1 vote:
That girl has balls. And Duke sucks.
 
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