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2014-03-19 12:46:34 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: lennavan: I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means. This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career. But she'll quit the moment she can. That makes sense to you, somehow.

Luckily we have you here to manslplain it for all of us


Today I learned suggesting a girl who cut the word FAT into her thigh might not be unimaginably joyous is "mansplaining."
 
2014-03-19 12:47:41 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: lockers: The real problem with her chosen way of going through school is that it translates to stigma in her career. Granted womens studies won't help either, but this will follow her for the rest of her life. My guess is she will burn out in the porn scene and be flipping burgers in 10 years.

Yep. While it would be nice if this stigma didn't exist, it does, and is likely to be a problem. Though with a women's studies background maybe she could make a difference as a crusader for the societal acceptance of retired sex workers. At least there's probably a book deal to be had there.


I think that is what she wanted to do after her degree go to law school then become an advocate for sex workers IIRC .
 
2014-03-19 12:48:25 PM  

lennavan: ikanreed: Because she has do no one any harm

You mean, other than lying to a nation full of young girls saying that being choked and spit on during porn shoots brings her unimaginable joy?
  elysive: Maybe the pay isnt steady or predictable (i heard Jason Bateman talking about those problems in entertaining yesterday in NPR). Maybe she can foresee a time when she's old and crusty and her directors/producers wont sign her. Maybe she finds intellectual pursuits equally fulfilling and wants a change. I gave up one good, fulfilling job because it was energy sucking and I saw a desk job (which paid a little less) as more sustainable.

She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.

I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.


Just keep beating the poor dead horse. Eventually you're agument will matter to someone. Good luck!
 
2014-03-19 12:49:21 PM  
I thought this thread would be more fun.  What happened to FARK?  It was a lot more fun back in the old days.
 
2014-03-19 12:51:46 PM  

elysive: She may be lying through her teeth, but why does it matter?


Because she is on nationally broadcast TV shows telling people, small girls included, about how joyous her career in porn is while selling a fake sob story about how Duke forced her into porn.

elysive: think the larger and more interesting issue is that porn watching assholes would threaten someone due to their involvement in porn.


It has nothing to do with her involvement in porn and everything to do with the lies she is selling along with it.  She was offered a free ride at Vanderbilt, she chose Duke instead.  Duke did not force her into porn.  She is going to quit the moment she graduates.  If this girl said "I could have gone to Vanderbilt but wanted to go to Duke instead.  I saw I could do porn to pay my bills and graduate debt free, so I did.  So what?"  I would agree with you, she's your wonderful feminist hero.  Instead she tells us how joyous she is while cutting herself.  I don't think she should misportray the life she has so other people don't get the wrong idea of what a career in porn is like.
 
2014-03-19 12:52:57 PM  
To all who replied: Points taken.
 
2014-03-19 12:53:49 PM  
MycroftHolmes:

To some people, yes there is a difference.  But why?  Why are strippers looked down upon, but swimsuit models are not.  This is more a of a projection of American hangups on sex on to the person then it is a reflection of the person.  I do acknowledge that sometime the person (porn actress or stripper) is in that profession specifically because of the weird American hangups on sex (in other words, they are drawn to it because they are drawn to things they feel are unhealthy or wrong).  But I see nothing inherently different from a person who sell implied sex and a person who sells sex.

If someone is drawn to something they perceive as unhealthy or wrong, the social attitude towards that something doesn't really matter, it's a personal issue. I think this girl believes she is doing it to justify or expose social sexual hang-ups, pay for college, bring attention to the student debt issue, which are all important and need to be discussed but from what I and others have mentioned, the biggest criticism is that this girl may be ignoring some larger personal issues that are affecting her behavior and decision making.

Is pornography as profession something to scorn? certainly not, but is it something to aspire to? probably not. I would say 5% of people can handle a lifestyle like that and that is just a random-out-of-ass number, I don't think it could be too high.

As for how society views women and sex and business. We are still an old, white, patriarchy, and sure repressed some what, but I don't believe the swimsuit model is held to a high esteem socially either? I'm sure there are many other prejudices that make working in that industry hard for women. I certainly don't consider what's-her-name, big tits, funny waist, pretty face, when I think of how our elected leaders might resolve this Ukraine situation, or economic troubles.

And still, even between the two (model - porn star), and maybe this is my hang-up, but taking a load to the face from your boy-friend, spouse, random dude from the bar in the comfort of your living room, even taped for personal viewing pleasure, is a perfectly fine and exciting sex act for some, and in that context probably happening every day, every minute, without anyone batting an eye or thinking about it (except for the girl who has it incoming).

"But I see nothing inherently different from a person who sell implied sex and a person who sells sex."

That's such a general statement. there is nothing inherently different between any two people, sexual or otherwise. By that standard there is no difference between anything. We are all human beings with complex emotions but there are certainly ways in which the same emotional stimulus can manifest itself differently from person to person, and those decisions and subsequent behavior should be socially evaluated, and considered during the decision making process. Because we have to make thousands of decisions a second, we have to prioritize thoughts and values, which are going to differ between everyone you meet. Most decisions are probably made out of stereo-type and prejudice, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's a way to organize tons of information quickly and a 19 year old porn star has one function for me, and that doesn't help me too much in my daily life. That's why there is a difference in the perception. A swim suit model doesn't have much more function but, say it is an outfit I would have bought for the ex-wife or new girlfriend, there is another function that is more useful and might help me get to that facial in the living room.

/ sorry for the wall of text.
 
2014-03-19 12:53:58 PM  

rbuzby: I thought this thread would be more fun.  What happened to FARK?  It was a lot more fun back in the old days.


You'll get over it.


:)
 
2014-03-19 12:54:49 PM  

Clint_Torres: He approached her about the whole thing. And then he blabbed about to some frat-holes. This wasn't a dating scenario or confessions to a friend. AFAIK.


Reasonable, and possibly true. Although in the case that he recognized her in passing and wasn't told a secret, I feel even less as though he should be held accountable since he was just the first person to verbalize it.

It would be akin to me holding a resentment against someone who recognized I had a horrible drug problem and approached me about it, only to have me run them off.

When he mentioned my problem to other people it wasn't like he was the only one who knew, and it certainly didn't change the behaviors I was doing that caused me embarrassment for having been found out.
 
2014-03-19 12:55:29 PM  

lennavan: elysive: I'm a woman and I never bothered looking at her links. Her choice of sexual partners isnt really my concern...but apparently it's yours?

Nope.  What she sells to the public in amongst other things, nationally syndicated TV shows is.  Is it alright with you if I criticize what gets broadcast nationally on public airwaves?  Or is that too intrusive of me?

elysive: though I think people should be able to do it without hypocritical ninnies running their mouths like they know shiat.


Knock yourself out, but dont be surprised if someone calls you a ninny.

This is funny because this is exactly what I'm saying.  This girl is a hypocritical, lying ninny running her mouth like she knows shiat.  People should do porn going into it knowing the realities of it.  Brings her unimaginable joy, get out of here with that shiat.

Oh, so you are the authority on what it's like to star in porn? Forgive me, I didnt know. You should have lead with that.
 
2014-03-19 12:57:39 PM  

elysive: Just keep beating the poor dead horse. Eventually you're agument will matter to someone. Good luck!


i.dailymail.co.uk

You think this girl is unimaginably joyous.  Nice.
 
2014-03-19 12:59:49 PM  

lennavan: elysive: Just keep beating the poor dead horse. Eventually you're agument will matter to someone. Good luck!



You think this girl is unimaginably joyous.  Nice.


Looks shooped. I can tell, as I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 
2014-03-19 01:00:20 PM  
Good thing she isn't a trainer for the Lacrosse team. Those boys have had enough trouble ..
 
2014-03-19 01:02:52 PM  

lennavan: elysive: She may be lying through her teeth, but why does it matter?

Because she is on nationally broadcast TV shows telling people, small girls included, about how joyous her career in porn is while selling a fake sob story about how Duke forced her into porn.

[blah blah, rage and concern]

So what?"  I would agree with you, she's your wonderful feminist hero.  Instead she tells us how joyous she is while cutting herself.  I don't think she should misportray the life she has so other people don't get the wrong idea of what a career in porn is like.


Maybe she's bipolar and that explains both the cutting and the joy. You realize cutting is a symptom of mental illness, right? If I cared more, I'd probably be concerned that she is not getting proper treatment for her illness.

I guess I'll go clutch my pearls and cry for the children instead.

/she's not a hero, but her job does not preclude her from being a feminist
 
2014-03-19 01:04:02 PM  

MycroftHolmes: lennavan: spiderpaz: Not even close. I'm a software engineer. I'm just stating a fact that easy money is only easy because there's not a straight up competition for it since 99% of people would look at the risk/reward and decide it wasn't worth it or that it was immoral or shameful. They're not making that money because they're so outstanding at what they do that they're "out-competing" everyone else at it. They don't deserve admiration for what they do. Especially when they say outright that if they could afford to not do it, they wouldn't. This woman admitted that the only reason she's doing porn is because she was forced to do it financially.

Yes, she also says:

doing pornography fulfills me
My experience in porn has been nothing but supportive, exciting, thrilling and empowering
something I absolutely love
shooting pornography brings me unimaginable joy
It is my artistic outlet: my love, my happiness, my home.
have never felt more empowered or happy doing anything else
It is freeing, it is empowering, it is wonderful, it is how the world should be.

http://www.xojane.com/sex/duke-university-freshman-porn-star

So she is only doing this "wonderful, fulfilling, unimaginably joyous activity" because she is being forced to by Duke and the moment she graduates, she's going to quit her "love, happiness and home."  That's the story we are being sold.  And to question her is to be a slut shaming misogynist.

YOu understand that young people often act against their upbringing or convention in a way to expand boundaries and experience new things.  People who join the peace corp, or a commune, or become ultra involved in a cause express the exact same sentiments that this person has.  I have no doubt that all of their expressions are sincere.  Is it sustainable, in most cases, no.  But that doesn't make it any less true at this moment.

And she is not the only porn star who has expressed these same emotions.  I am not sure what your issue is that you find youself incapab ...


building irrigation and sustainable water solutions for third world people is different than getting gang banged on film, and I don't know how you can take her sincerity on faith, unless you know her - you are better than most, I suppose.

But, even if she is genuinely fulfilled by her actions, that's great and wonderful, but she has to accept the social consequences for getting her kicks in such a way that most people consider to be private or intimate activity, even those jacking it online wouldn't share that information with an interview committee, because there are consequences, right or wrong.
 
2014-03-19 01:05:18 PM  

lennavan: elysive: Just keep beating the poor dead horse. Eventually you're agument will matter to someone. Good luck!

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x959]

You think this girl is unimaginably joyous.  Nice.


Yeah! Can you post some more unappealing images in thread? I hear that's what people like in porn threads.

/off to shame some cutters and some aspies
 
2014-03-19 01:05:24 PM  
Well, that didn't take long. We all know, of course, that she won't be back.
 
2014-03-19 01:09:41 PM  

Pangea: Clint_Torres: He approached her about the whole thing. And then he blabbed about to some frat-holes. This wasn't a dating scenario or confessions to a friend. AFAIK.

Reasonable, and possibly true. Although in the case that he recognized her in passing and wasn't told a secret, I feel even less as though he should be held accountable since he was just the first person to verbalize it.

It would be akin to me holding a resentment against someone who recognized I had a horrible drug problem and approached me about it, only to have me run them off.

When he mentioned my problem to other people it wasn't like he was the only one who knew, and it certainly didn't change the behaviors I was doing that caused me embarrassment for having been found out.


I don't know. I don't want to start another argument on here, but other than her, he seems to be the one most responsible for letting the cat out of the bag. I just don't get why he couldn't say anything about it to anyone.
 
2014-03-19 01:13:42 PM  

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: bluenovaman: The asshole who outed her should be expelled.

Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment.

No, you stated you wish to physically assault this person. There's something wrong with you.

I did?

Clint_Torres: Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

Clint_Torres: She may have accepted his apology, but I don't. What he did was immature and reprehensible. If anyone deserves to have garbage thrown on them, it's this guy.

Clint_Torres: Who said I want to sleep with her?
...
So is defending that goober.
...
You have your opinions, I have mine. I'm just curious, why did this guy feel the need to brag about reveal his newfound knowledge to anyone? What did he think was going to happen? Is he not aware of the internet? He should have ended the conversation at "Are you Bella Knox?" "Oh cool. I'm a fan. I just wanted to say hi." and stroll away whistling.

What business is it of anyone, what job you do through school?

Clint_Torres: (thinking)

Nope...it's still with him.

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Again, bizarre level of investment.

Be sure to let us know when you take the trip to throw trash on a stranger.

I will.


Apologies, you merely advocated for throwing trash at him, you never said you want to do it personally.

But I'm sure he's plenty broken up that you won't accept the apology that wasn't given to you. The consequences you're not planning will break him eventually.
 
2014-03-19 01:13:49 PM  

lennavan: MycroftHolmes: And she is not the only porn star who has expressed these same emotions.

Yeah, and later they admit they were lying.

MycroftHolmes: I am not sure what your issue is that you find youself incapable of giving her the benefit of the doubt.

I don't understand how you can believe these two things simultaneously:

1) This is job brings her unimaginable joy and pays a great deal of money
2) The moment she doesn't have to do it anymore she's going to quit

Do you at least experience a feeling of discomfort holding those two things to be true?


Let's see.  I can love smoking, and it can bring me unimaginable joy.  I can also recognize that there are long term repercussions, and have plans to quit.  I have to ask this honestly, are you really that stupid.

Of course she recognizes that her decision is an unstable one and difficult to sustain.  Of course she recognizes that there are ramifications to being in the sex industry.  That she hasn't experienced any negatives now and has enjoyed her time is not even close to inconsistent with the idea that she knows it is not wise for her long term goals.

This isn't a difficult concept to have figured out.  I have to believe that you were being willfully ignorant to make your misguided point, or that you are just dumb.  Right now, it is a toss up.
 
2014-03-19 01:14:16 PM  

Clint_Torres: Pangea: Clint_Torres: He approached her about the whole thing. And then he blabbed about to some frat-holes. This wasn't a dating scenario or confessions to a friend. AFAIK.

Reasonable, and possibly true. Although in the case that he recognized her in passing and wasn't told a secret, I feel even less as though he should be held accountable since he was just the first person to verbalize it.

It would be akin to me holding a resentment against someone who recognized I had a horrible drug problem and approached me about it, only to have me run them off.

When he mentioned my problem to other people it wasn't like he was the only one who knew, and it certainly didn't change the behaviors I was doing that caused me embarrassment for having been found out.

I don't know. I don't want to start another argument on here, but other than her, he seems to be the one most responsible for letting the cat out of the bag. I just don't get why he couldn't say anything about it to anyone.


I hope that makes sense. Estoy cansado y jodido from last night. I'm just going to go back to bed, unless anyone has any objections.
 
2014-03-19 01:16:33 PM  

lennavan: elysive: Just keep beating the poor dead horse. Eventually you're agument will matter to someone. Good luck!

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x959]

You think this girl is unimaginably joyous.  Nice.


If I understand correctly, you are saying that you are angry with this person because you think she is lying.  And your foundation for this belief is the fact that at a time she claims she was happy with her choice, she also expressed unhappiness.  So, your entire platform is built on the foundation that teenage girl's have static emotions that cannot change.  Is this your stance?
 
2014-03-19 01:18:42 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: bluenovaman: The asshole who outed her should be expelled.

Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment.

No, you stated you wish to physically assault this person. There's something wrong with you.

I did?

Clint_Torres: Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

Clint_Torres: She may have accepted his apology, but I don't. What he did was immature and reprehensible. If anyone deserves to have garbage thrown on them, it's this guy.

Clint_Torres: Who said I want to sleep with her?
...
So is defending that goober.
...
You have your opinions, I have mine. I'm just curious, why did this guy feel the need to brag about reveal his newfound knowledge to anyone? What did he think was going to happen? Is he not aware of the internet? He should have ended the conversation at "Are you Bella Knox?" "Oh cool. I'm a fan. I just wanted to say hi." and stroll away whistling.

What business is it of anyone, what job you do through school?

Clint_Torres: (thinking)

Nope...it's still with him.

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Again, bizarre level of investment.

Be sure to let us know when you take the trip to throw trash on a stranger.

I will.

Apologies, you merely advocated for throwing trash at him, you never said you want to do it personally.

But I'm sure he's plenty broken up that you won't accept the apology that wasn't given to you. The consequences you're not planning will break him eventually.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BaOvM9jXKg

Are we done? I want to go back to bed, since my lunch date hasn't gotten back to me yet.
 
2014-03-19 01:19:46 PM  

misanthropologist: TrainingWheelsNeeded: I also believe that there are hard-wired psychological tendencies passed through billions of years of evolution that filter differently the sex experience for men and women. That a woman's natural predisposition or instinctual nature toward sex is more family and mentally oriented in her psyche, which makes turning out different sexual partners difficult behavior to reconcile. This may even be a part of a larger human condition, as after a period of loose and free sex I felt unfulfilled and held a low self-esteem, wanted a change, something more stable and real.

You're mistaking cultural values for hard-wired products of biological evolution. It's okay, bioreductivism is pretty hegemonic in American (global?) thought these days. The mistake is that you're ascribing to "nature" what is in reality a product of enculturation into a specific social context, and heading towards extending the argument that what is "natural" is thus also "moral" and "right." If you'd simply shift the basis of your argument to recognize that socially constructed gender roles and stereotypes shape our expectations and experiences of sexual activity, and that in a society that publicly values monogamy and equates sex with enduring romantic love and relationships, you'd have a stronger argument about the mechanism that creates psychological distress among many people who participate in non-normative sexual behavior.


you think so? I see your point and to an extent agree but don't believe that enculturation and cave-man genetics are mutually exclusive. That a woman's need to care for family is a real biological need that clashes with these more progressive attitudes about sex. Man's desire to "provide" for the family, I think, is more socially instituted than a woman's need to care.

but I do sense the danger of a shifting definition for what I clause as, "natural".
 
2014-03-19 01:21:18 PM  

lennavan: MycroftHolmes: And she is not the only porn star who has expressed these same emotions.

Yeah, and later they admit they were lying.


Every single one of them?  There have been no porn stars that have been consistent in the support of the industry?

Now you are just making crap up.
 
2014-03-19 01:23:04 PM  

MycroftHolmes: That she hasn't experienced any negatives now and has enjoyed her time is not even close to inconsistent with the idea that she knows it is not wise for her long term goals.


If she knew that she wouldn't be doing it in the first place. It's not like a future prospective employer that might take issue with this is going parse just how many scenes she filmed and have some over/under number in mind that would make it ok with them.

Plus with the doubling down with stripping and all thus adding another line in her sex industry resume and doing press about it on top of it all, I'm not sure she's entirely cognizant of impacts on her stated long term goals.
 
2014-03-19 01:23:57 PM  

Clint_Torres: Are we done? I want to go back to bed, since my lunch date hasn't gotten back to me yet.


Did you throw trash at them?
 
2014-03-19 01:30:01 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: MycroftHolmes: That she hasn't experienced any negatives now and has enjoyed her time is not even close to inconsistent with the idea that she knows it is not wise for her long term goals.

If she knew that she wouldn't be doing it in the first place. It's not like a future prospective employer that might take issue with this is going parse just how many scenes she filmed and have some over/under number in mind that would make it ok with them.

Plus with the doubling down with stripping and all thus adding another line in her sex industry resume and doing press about it on top of it all, I'm not sure she's entirely cognizant of impacts on her stated long term goals.


So, if her long term goal is financial stability and a long term career, you think she wouldn't be able to figure out that poirn stars and strippers only make good money into their early or mid twenties at least?  There are a lot of reasons why a long term career is not viable, not all of the, mean or even imply that she isn't happy with her current condition.
 
2014-03-19 01:30:55 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: If she knew that she wouldn't be doing it in the first place.


Teens don't work that way. Hell most adults don't work that way.
 
2014-03-19 01:32:46 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Are we done? I want to go back to bed, since my lunch date hasn't gotten back to me yet.

Did you throw trash at them?


I would...if they revealed any of my secrets. ;)

No, I didn't see their text and took too long to respond. I fear that window has been closed.
 
2014-03-19 01:33:41 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: MycroftHolmes: That she hasn't experienced any negatives now and has enjoyed her time is not even close to inconsistent with the idea that she knows it is not wise for her long term goals.

If she knew that she wouldn't be doing it in the first place. It's not like a future prospective employer that might take issue with this is going parse just how many scenes she filmed and have some over/under number in mind that would make it ok with them.

Plus with the doubling down with stripping and all thus adding another line in her sex industry resume and doing press about it on top of it all, I'm not sure she's entirely cognizant of impacts on her stated long term goals.


...and yet, there are folks like Nina Hartley and Candye Kane who flout the curve.

And there are plenty of failed Women's Studies grads who fail miserably to make use of their degree every year WITHOUT the stain of porn in their career. There are plenty of business majors who wind up failing miserably without frat stunts staining their repuatation. Failure is always an option. Blaming those failures on a single portion of a decision tree, as opposed to a nest of reasons, that is simplistic to a fair degree.

What a lot of folks are saying, is that porn or even nude modeling doesn't mean instafailure. Nor does a tattoo mean that you can never get a decent job. It's NOT your decision perhaps, and indeed, she may not manage to pull herself into a grand career, but that isn't just the fault of the decision to do porn. Heck, one my kids from the Iron Horse paid for her schooling thanks to nude modeling and porn shoots. She has a decent real estate career now, and banked her money fair well, and scads of basement dwellers wanking to her shoots paid for her schooling. The issue that I have with this whole "outrage" is that folks are judging her, while I'm betting that they've got scads of nudes, fairly hardcore mpgs, and more squirreled away on their hard drives, and are moralizing on her choices, when they support the industry that she chose to help her get through school. It's fine to consume the product, just not make it. It's a way of distancing themselves from the "degradation" while sponsoring it.

And that is just blind hypocrisy.
 
2014-03-19 01:33:45 PM  

MycroftHolmes: Let's see. I can love smoking, and it can bring me unimaginable joy. I can also recognize that there are long term repercussions, and have plans to quit. I have to ask this honestly, are you really that stupid.


She is not acknowledging the long term repercussions.  The only things she has to say about doing porn are wonderful things about how it fulfills her, empowers her and brings her unimaginable joy.

Are you really this stupid?
 
2014-03-19 01:33:55 PM  

doubled99: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.
I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.

Why are you so fixated on this triviality? jesus christ, go rub one out, weirdo


it's a legitimate point about this girl's entire statement. It's flawed.
 
2014-03-19 01:33:55 PM  

MycroftHolmes: HotWingConspiracy: MycroftHolmes: That she hasn't experienced any negatives now and has enjoyed her time is not even close to inconsistent with the idea that she knows it is not wise for her long term goals.

If she knew that she wouldn't be doing it in the first place. It's not like a future prospective employer that might take issue with this is going parse just how many scenes she filmed and have some over/under number in mind that would make it ok with them.

Plus with the doubling down with stripping and all thus adding another line in her sex industry resume and doing press about it on top of it all, I'm not sure she's entirely cognizant of impacts on her stated long term goals.

So, if her long term goal is financial stability and a long term career, you think she wouldn't be able to figure out that poirn stars and strippers only make good money into their early or mid twenties at least?  There are a lot of reasons why a long term career is not viable, not all of the, mean or even imply that she isn't happy with her current condition.


Can you at least allow that her happiness with her condition may be due to some serious ignorance on her part? It is bliss, after all.
 
2014-03-19 01:34:09 PM  

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Are we done? I want to go back to bed, since my lunch date hasn't gotten back to me yet.

Did you throw trash at them?

I would...if they revealed any of my secrets. ;)

No, I didn't see their text and took too long to respond. I fear that window has now been closed.


FTFM
 
2014-03-19 01:36:53 PM  

MycroftHolmes: If I understand correctly, you are saying that you are angry with this person because you think she is lying. And your foundation for this belief is the fact that at a time she claims she was happy with her choice, she also expressed unhappiness. So, your entire platform is built on the foundation that teenage girl's have static emotions that cannot change. Is this your stance?


Her emotions are not changing, she isn't happy.  This simply cannot be news to you.
 
2014-03-19 01:40:05 PM  

doubled99: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.
I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.

Why are you so fixated on this triviality? jesus christ, go rub one out, weirdo


Because I think sending the message that porn brings her unimaginable joy when reality is the opposite does a great disservice to girls considering going into porn.

Why are you so fixated on defending her?  She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.
 
2014-03-19 01:42:11 PM  

Lee451: The only difference between this woman and a prostitute is that she gets paid more and has it filmed.


You make a good point.

Prostitution should be legal.
 
2014-03-19 01:43:49 PM  

frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off the college at this point.


FIFY
 
2014-03-19 01:44:54 PM  

lennavan: doubled99: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.
I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.

Why are you so fixated on this triviality? jesus christ, go rub one out, weirdo

Because I think sending the message that porn brings her unimaginable joy when reality is the opposite does a great disservice to girls considering going into porn.

Why are you so fixated on defending her?  She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.


Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.
 
2014-03-19 01:45:15 PM  
the problem here, as I see it, is that there are quite a few of you that seriously think that porn is a great occupation for women.  don't get me wrong, I love me some porn, but even I know that it is a terrible idea to make it, and the women that DO make it usually end up damaged.

No, porn does not bring this chick unimaginable joy.  If it did she wouldn't even BOTHER going to school.

No, she isn't going to stop doing porn because she graduates Duke.  SHE IS NEVER GOING TO GRADUATE.

Even if by some miracle she DOES graduate, what career choices outside porn does she have?  Not many.

Fact is that most porn starlets are NOT Asia Carrera.  Most end up broken and used and hooked on drugs because sex work is dehumanizing, degrading, demeaning and empty.

So she can keep porning, and more power to her, but seriously - don't tell us it's raining while you piss down our backs.
 
2014-03-19 01:50:54 PM  

lennavan: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.


The sensible explanation: she's trying to pressure Duke into giving her money, e.g.: "Does the 'Duke Porn Star' media circus embarrass you? Drop a tuition waiver on me and I'll stay away from cameras until I graduate."
 
2014-03-19 01:51:53 PM  

hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.


Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.
 
2014-03-19 01:55:18 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: lennavan: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.

The sensible explanation: she's trying to pressure Duke into giving her money, e.g.: "Does the 'Duke Porn Star' media circus embarrass you? Drop a tuition waiver on me and I'll stay away from cameras until I graduate."


I don't know that I would immediately jump to extortion.
 
2014-03-19 01:55:58 PM  

verbaltoxin: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Why not both? The world needs more sex-positive feminists, and people like to watch attractive women f*ck. It's win-win for everybody.


The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline. A lot of women don't identify as sex-positive, or identify as sex-negative, because they don't want to end up in a situation where a man is using that as an excuse to pressure them into sex. When almost anything is seen as justification for pressuring someone or coercing someone into sex--I've seen men use 'I didn't rape you once when I could have, therefore you owe me' or 'I wasn't an asshole to you, therefore you owe me'--you tend to want as little as possible for someone to latch onto, especially since there's a lot of 'pick up artists' and other men who are good at hiding what they think until you're in a situation where it's not easy to escape.

/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender.
 
2014-03-19 02:01:07 PM  

lennavan: She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.


Your really invested in this. Slut shaming her won't get you into heaven.
 
2014-03-19 02:01:36 PM  

lennavan: doubled99: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.
I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.

Why are you so fixated on this triviality? jesus christ, go rub one out, weirdo

Because I think sending the message that porn brings her unimaginable joy when reality is the opposite does a great disservice to girls considering going into porn.

Why are you so fixated on defending her?  She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.


Can you tell us your experiences in the porn industry that contradict hers?
 
2014-03-19 02:09:40 PM  

lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.


No. I just don't give a rat's ass what she does. It's none of my damn business. I'm not f*cking her. I'm not watching this crap, because it means absolutely zero to me. I don't care what she does. But I am sort of amused by the moralists who've leaped to complain bitterly, especially on a site that has a big ass Boobies tag on it...
 
2014-03-19 02:12:38 PM  

hubiestubert: lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.

No. I just don't give a rat's ass what she does. It's none of my damn business. I'm not f*cking her. I'm not watching this crap, because it means absolutely zero to me. I don't care what she does. But I am sort of amused by the moralists who've leaped to complain bitterly, especially on a site that has a big ass Boobies tag on it...


Lennavan is not a moralist.  He has acknowledged that he supports the porn industry.  He just can't imagine that anyone in the porn industry could be possibly happy with the decision.

In essence, he is knowingly supporting an industry that he feels destroys lives.  So I would say that exckudes him from being a moralist.  Pretty much the opposite.

He does guise his hypocrisy behind a nice 'won't womeone think of the children' facade, though
 
2014-03-19 02:21:04 PM  

hubiestubert: There are plenty of business majors who wind up failing miserably without frat stunts staining their repuatation.


Are we talking about that butt-chugging guy here? Because Google has got that guys number forever. He OWNS butt-chugging.
 
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