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2014-03-19 02:21:04 PM

hubiestubert: There are plenty of business majors who wind up failing miserably without frat stunts staining their repuatation.


Are we talking about that butt-chugging guy here? Because Google has got that guys number forever. He OWNS butt-chugging.
 
2014-03-19 02:22:38 PM
Look, I consume porn because it makes me feel good in two ways:

1.  Orgasms, obviously.

2.  The knowledge that, even though I just furiously stroked myself to completion while watching some young girl have every hole creamed and reamed, at least I'm still better than her.

This hussy needs to stop trying to take that away from me.  I won't stand for it!
 
2014-03-19 02:31:48 PM

frepnog: the problem here, as I see it, is that there are quite a few of you that seriously think that porn is a great occupation for women.  don't get me wrong, I love me some porn, but even I know that it is a terrible idea to make it, and the women that DO make it usually end up damaged.

No, porn does not bring this chick unimaginable joy.  If it did she wouldn't even BOTHER going to school.

No, she isn't going to stop doing porn because she graduates Duke.  SHE IS NEVER GOING TO GRADUATE.

Even if by some miracle she DOES graduate, what career choices outside porn does she have?  Not many.

Fact is that most porn starlets are NOT Asia Carrera.  Most end up broken and used and hooked on drugs because sex work is dehumanizing, degrading, demeaning and empty.

So she can keep porning, and more power to her, but seriously - don't tell us it's raining while you piss down our backs.


I'm glad you have this figured out for her.  There's no way she can plan her own life.
 
2014-03-19 02:35:59 PM

lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.


Yeah, I'm going to guess that all of that came after the attention/backlash over her initial blog post...which she likely made because she wanted to get ahead and control her image before someone else got to dictate it...which was probably starting to happen after the aforementioned random asshole outed her to her entire farking university.

MycroftHolmes: hubiestubert: lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.

No. I just don't give a rat's ass what she does. It's none of my damn business. I'm not f*cking her. I'm not watching this crap, because it means absolutely zero to me. I don't care what she does. But I am sort of amused by the moralists who've leaped to complain bitterly, especially on a site that has a big ass Boobies tag on it...

Lennavan is not a moralist.  He has acknowledged that he supports the porn industry.  He just can't imagine that anyone in the porn industry could be possibly happy with the decision.

In essence, he is knowingly supporting an industry that he feels destroys lives.  So I would say that exckudes him from being a moralist.  Pretty much the opposite.

He does guise his hypocrisy behind a nice 'won't womeone think of the children' facade, though


fotos.starmedia.com

None of this surprises me.
 
2014-03-19 02:38:02 PM

PsiChick: verbaltoxin: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Why not both? The world needs more sex-positive feminists, and people like to watch attractive women f*ck. It's win-win for everybody.

The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline. A lot of women don't identify as sex-positive, or identify as sex-negative, because they don't want to end up in a situation where a man is using that as an excuse to pressure them into sex. When almost anything is seen as justification for pressuring someone or coercing someone into sex--I've seen men use 'I didn't rape you once when I could have, therefore you owe me' or 'I wasn't an asshole to you, therefore you owe me'--you tend to want as little as possible for someone to latch onto, especially since there's a lot of 'pick up artists' and other men who are good at hiding what they think until you're in a situation where it's not easy to escape.

/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender.


I get you, but sex negative is not the way to go, and has done more to encircle off feminism and make it an "other," rather than make people understand that feminism advocates things which are good for everybody.

Feminists complain of "straw feminism" and I think they're right. Their critics largely don't understand what feminism is, but how do you bridge that gap when your go-to position says stuff like,

"/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender."

I mean, why the hell would I, as a man, call myself feminist or support feminism if the other feminists insinuate I am or could be a criminal because of my gender? How is generalizing my gender as rape-mongers any better than my gender pegging yours as baby-makers? How does this improve anything, and do nothing but tell other confirmed minds what they already want to hear?
 
2014-03-19 02:40:07 PM

Pangea: hubiestubert: There are plenty of business majors who wind up failing miserably without frat stunts staining their repuatation.

Are we talking about that butt-chugging guy here? Because Google has got that guys number forever. He OWNS butt-chugging.


Hopefully Google can remind everyone he convened a press conference to call "no homo". Seriously.
 
2014-03-19 02:41:31 PM
I went to college with a retired porn star, Alicia Alighatti. She was actually a really, REALLY cool girl. And incredibly intelligent. She did it to make money for school, and she now owns a ranch and is married to a cool guy. She didn't have crazy issues beyond wanting to make money (she worked 2 jobs while being a full time student). She was, in fact, an empowered woman who felt she had a resource she could leverage to make money in a way she felt was fun (and ultimately temporary). The worst part about it was the crap other people put her through over it.

I also saw her drop a douchebag fratboy in a single punch because he was harassing her about her past we left the bar one night. You don't mess with farm girls. I'm glad she's moved beyond it all and has a nice happy marriage and pretty much everything she wanted. She deserved it.
 
2014-03-19 02:44:31 PM

scubamage: I went to college with a retired porn star, Alicia Alighatti. She was actually a really, REALLY cool girl. And incredibly intelligent. She did it to make money for school, and she now owns a ranch and is married to a cool guy. She didn't have crazy issues beyond wanting to make money (she worked 2 jobs while being a full time student). She was, in fact, an empowered woman who felt she had a resource she could leverage to make money in a way she felt was fun (and ultimately temporary). The worst part about it was the crap other people put her through over it.

I also saw her drop a douchebag fratboy in a single punch because he was harassing her about her past we left the bar one night. You don't mess with farm girls. I'm glad she's moved beyond it all and has a nice happy marriage and pretty much everything she wanted. She deserved it.


Now THAT is a cool story, bro.
 
2014-03-19 02:45:59 PM

MycroftHolmes: hubiestubert: lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.

No. I just don't give a rat's ass what she does. It's none of my damn business. I'm not f*cking her. I'm not watching this crap, because it means absolutely zero to me. I don't care what she does. But I am sort of amused by the moralists who've leaped to complain bitterly, especially on a site that has a big ass Boobies tag on it...

Lennavan is not a moralist.  He has acknowledged that he supports the porn industry.  He just can't imagine that anyone in the porn industry could be possibly happy with the decision.

In essence, he is knowingly supporting an industry that he feels destroys lives.  So I would say that exckudes him from being a moralist.  Pretty much the opposite.

He does guise his hypocrisy behind a nice 'won't womeone think of the children' facade, though


You seem to be the one elevating the discussion from the individual to the industry. From what I can tell, an maybe I missed a post here and there, but Lennavan seems to be talking about the inconsistencies between this one girl's actions and words.

I am more amazed that you are so willing to accept a 19 year old girl's worldview on sex, the sex industry, education, student debt, self-reliance, feminism et al,  because she says she is the most fulfilled she has ever been in her entire life, when her actions and a rather reliable stereo-type of the business say otherwise. I hope she's happy, I hope she can learn something valuable from this experience, and I hope she can even cash in but I'm not looking for her to be the social trail-blazer she imagines herself to be.

Only time will tell.
 
2014-03-19 02:48:20 PM

verbaltoxin: PsiChick: verbaltoxin: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Why not both? The world needs more sex-positive feminists, and people like to watch attractive women f*ck. It's win-win for everybody.

The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline. A lot of women don't identify as sex-positive, or identify as sex-negative, because they don't want to end up in a situation where a man is using that as an excuse to pressure them into sex. When almost anything is seen as justification for pressuring someone or coercing someone into sex--I've seen men use 'I didn't rape you once when I could have, therefore you owe me' or 'I wasn't an asshole to you, therefore you owe me'--you tend to want as little as possible for someone to latch onto, especially since there's a lot of 'pick up artists' and other men who are good at hiding what they think until you're in a situation where it's not easy to escape.

/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender.

I get you, but sex negative is not the way to go, and has done more to encircle off feminism and make it an "other," rather than make people understand that feminism advocates things which are good for everybody.

Feminists complain of "straw feminism" and I think they're right. Their critics largely don't understand what feminism is, but how do you bridge that gap when your go-to position says stuff like,

"/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender."

I mean, why the hell would I, as a man, call myself feminist or support feminism if the other feminists insinuate I am or could be a criminal because of my gender? How is generalizing my gender as rape-mongers any better than my gender pegging yours as baby-makers? How does this improve anythin ...


Because the  reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to  not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the  only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.
 
2014-03-19 02:48:36 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Cybernetic: HotWingConspiracy: Apparently she's a cutter. That's empowering too.

Yikes. I haven't seen anything about that in the media reports. If true, it puts a different spin on her career choices.

Sorry for the daily fail link

Personally I think she's an inspiration, a true avatar of feminism.


static.squarespace.com
 
2014-03-19 02:48:45 PM

verbaltoxin: Feminists complain of "straw feminism" and I think they're right. Their critics largely don't understand what feminism is, but how do you bridge that gap when your go-to position says stuff like,

"/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender."


I was surprised to hear that pressure and coercion were criminal.

/gonna go sue my cousin Stevie for getting me into cigarettes back in the day
 
2014-03-19 03:06:10 PM

frepnog: Fact is that most porn starlets are NOT Asia Carrera. Most end up broken and used and hooked on drugs because sex work is dehumanizing, degrading, demeaning and empty.


I know Asia Carrera supposedly has an high IQ, but didn't she end broke, hooked on drugs, a degenerate gambler and begging people on the internet for money?

ScouserDuck: Call me a cynic but I think the whole outing of herself was staged. She has made an absolute name for herself as a star, and her outing not only gave he tons of publicity but it certifies her as a legitimate college girl for those who thrive with that niche. Maybe it got a little out of her control, but I'm convinced this whole damn thing was set up from stage 1.


I don't think she outed herself to increase her name in the business, I think she told the guy that she was a porn star the same reason why 18 or 19 year olds in their first year of college tell people they barely know and just met really personal things about themselves, to set themselves apart from everybody else and to make themselves seem special. She wanted people to know this because she thought it would make her the edgy girl on campus. It just didn't turn out how she wanted, and now she is regretting telling people. And I'm willing to bet this guy isn't the only person she told, he is just the one catching the blame for outing her. If she didn't want anybody on campus to know, she wouldn't have told somebody she just met met and barely knew about it.
 
2014-03-19 03:06:26 PM
Why does Duke suck?
 
2014-03-19 03:09:45 PM

PsiChick: Because the  reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to  not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the  only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.


I wonder why more self proclaimed feminists don't go out and empower themselves to stop being pants pissingly fearful of men. I'm not the most sexual or political woman in the world, but no amount of "oh a man might pressure me or rape me" will keep me from declaring and pursuing my personal desires insofar as they don't infringe other other people's rights. If women keep tolerating the stereotype of precious, wilting flowers who are incapable of standing up for themselves, how do you expect to our culture to grow?

Taking a stand that you own your own body and get decide what to do with it (whether it's sexual, asexual, intellectual, or mind-numbingly stupid) seems neither dangerous to me nor ground-breaking. To hell with men (or women) who cling to any excuse as a rationale for violating other people.
 
2014-03-19 03:16:29 PM

PsiChick: Because the reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.


So what you're telling me is that you're a delicate creature, and I'm a brutish carnivore who just can't help myself? That's 3rd wave feminism for you, folks.
 
2014-03-19 03:21:28 PM

elysive: PsiChick: Because the  reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to  not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the  only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.

I wonder why more self proclaimed feminists don't go out and empower themselves to stop being pants pissingly fearful of men. I'm not the most sexual or political woman in the world, but no amount of "oh a man might pressure me or rape me" will keep me from declaring and pursuing my personal desires insofar as they don't infringe other other people's rights. If women keep tolerating the stereotype of precious, wilting flowers who are incapable of standing up for themselves, how do you expect to our culture to grow?

Taking a stand that you own your own body and get decide what to do with it (whether it's sexual, asexual, intellectual, or mind-numbingly stupid) seems neither dangerous to me nor ground-breaking. To hell with men (or women) who cling to any excuse as a rationale for violating other people.


Okay, you're strong enough to do that. So am I. But you do realize not everyone is emotionally strong enough to fight an entire society on a daily basis, right? Nor should that sort of emotional strength be required for  living? We're supposed to be making the whole world a  safe place, not just a survival-of-the-fittest maze. I'm not saying that women who are sex-negative are right; I'm saying that they're having an understandably irrational response to a violent world. You don't get mad at a wounded animal for lashing out, either, even if you make sure it doesn't bite anyone.

verbaltoxin: PsiChick: Because the reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.

So what you're telling me is that you're a delicate creature, and I'm a brutish carnivore who just can't help myself? That's 3rd wave feminism for you, folks.


No, actually, that's what misogynists are using to teach little boys that it's okay to rape. Feminists are the ones calling that bullshiat and saying it's wrong. However, we  also live in a world where, statistically, men are the biggest threat to women. That makes people behave irrationally.
 
2014-03-19 03:21:35 PM

verbaltoxin: PsiChick: verbaltoxin: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Why not both? The world needs more sex-positive feminists, and people like to watch attractive women f*ck. It's win-win for everybody.

The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline. A lot of women don't identify as sex-positive, or identify as sex-negative, because they don't want to end up in a situation where a man is using that as an excuse to pressure them into sex. When almost anything is seen as justification for pressuring someone or coercing someone into sex--I've seen men use 'I didn't rape you once when I could have, therefore you owe me' or 'I wasn't an asshole to you, therefore you owe me'--you tend to want as little as possible for someone to latch onto, especially since there's a lot of 'pick up artists' and other men who are good at hiding what they think until you're in a situation where it's not easy to escape.

/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender.

I get you, but sex negative is not the way to go, and has done more to encircle off feminism and make it an "other," rather than make people understand that feminism advocates things which are good for everybody.

Feminists complain of "straw feminism" and I think they're right. Their critics largely don't understand what feminism is, but how do you bridge that gap when your go-to position says stuff like,

"/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender."

I mean, why the hell would I, as a man, call myself feminist or support feminism if the other feminists insinuate I am or could be a criminal because of my gender? How is generalizing my gender as rape-mongers any better than my gender pegging yours as baby-makers? How does this improve anythin ...


LOGICAL FAULT:
She said that women are largely victims of being raped by men, more so than inverse. True.
You said this statement implies that all men would be therefore rapists, aka the converse is true. False.
Some men repeat their crimes with multiple victims. True, therefore not all men are rapists.

AGAIN: The majority of rapists are men; the majority of men are not rapists.
DUH.
 
2014-03-19 03:28:42 PM
PsiChick:
What is with that guy?
I forget the fallacy he keeps completing, but Man Alive, he is just pounding away on that box.

"B-b-but you're saying Statement A means that you're really saying the exact opposite, therefore I don't have to support your cause, because I feel offended by something you're not saying at all!!"
 
2014-03-19 03:33:30 PM

PsiChick: elysive: PsiChick: Because the  reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to  not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the  only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.

I wonder why more self proclaimed feminists don't go out and empower themselves to stop being pants pissingly fearful of men. I'm not the most sexual or political woman in the world, but no amount of "oh a man might pressure me or rape me" will keep me from declaring and pursuing my personal desires insofar as they don't infringe other other people's rights. If women keep tolerating the stereotype of precious, wilting flowers who are incapable of standing up for themselves, how do you expect to our culture to grow?

Taking a stand that you own your own body and get decide what to do with it (whether it's sexual, asexual, intellectual, or mind-numbingly stupid) seems neither dangerous to me nor ground-breaking. To hell with men (or women) who cling to any excuse as a rationale for violating other people.

Okay, you're strong enough to do that. So am I. But you do realize not everyone is emotionally strong enough to fight an entire society on a daily basis, right? Nor should that sort of emotional strength be required for  living? We're supposed to be making the whole world a  safe place, not just a survival-of-the-fittest maze. I'm not saying that women who are sex-negative are right; I'm saying that they're having an understandably irrational response to a violent world. You don't get mad at a wounded animal for lashi ...


If more women took a stand (unless you are suggesting that the majority of all women are essentially wounded animals), then strong empowered women might become the norm. Call it a herd immunity against sexual exploitation.

In your Boobies on this topic you said "The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline."Why? I find that most people who identify as feminists are usually more political than those who don't. If you are trying to make a statement and you have the emotional/physical fortitude to join a political movement, why not try to make the world a better place for other women? If you are an assault survivor I can understand being wary, though some of the strongest women I've met have been assault survivors.  If the incidence of rape in women is even as high as 25%, that still means the other 75% of women can be strong for their sisters.

Living in fear wont obliterate rape or else we would have far fewer rapes.
 
2014-03-19 03:37:14 PM

ongbok: I know Asia Carrera supposedly has an high IQ, but didn't she end broke, hooked on drugs, a degenerate gambler and begging people on the internet for money?


hm.  i dunno.  did she?
 
2014-03-19 03:41:10 PM

frepnog: ongbok: I know Asia Carrera supposedly has an high IQ, but didn't she end broke, hooked on drugs, a degenerate gambler and begging people on the internet for money?

hm.  i dunno.  did she?


well from what I can find it seems her husband was killed when she was 8 months pregnant.  It drove her to alcoholism.  She did solicit donations, but I can't fault her for that when you are 8 months preggers with a dead husband.  Seems he had life ins that paid off.

None of that had anything to do with making porn.
 
2014-03-19 03:43:03 PM

elysive: Living in fear wont obliterate rape


Awareness can help keep women safe on an individual basis, but it will only shift the crime to other women who are less aware. If you want to eliminate the existence of a crime altogether, you need to teach men not to do it. That's why nobody does illegal narcotics on this planet anymore, because of those 'this is your brain on drugs' commercials.

/you can only mitigate crime
//you can't eradicate it completely
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them
 
2014-03-19 03:44:32 PM
Fafai:
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

Why?
 
2014-03-19 03:49:08 PM

tlars699: PsiChick:
What is with that guy?
I forget the fallacy he keeps completing, but Man Alive, he is just pounding away on that box.

"B-b-but you're saying Statement A means that you're really saying the exact opposite, therefore I don't have to support your cause, because I feel offended by something you're not saying at all!!"


I don't know. I see it every time rape discussions come up, though.

elysive: f more women took a stand (unless you are suggesting that the majority of all women are essentially wounded animals), then strong empowered women might become the norm. Call it a herd immunity against sexual exploitation.

In your Boobies on this topic you said "The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline."Why? I find that most people who identify as feminists are usually more political than those who don't. If you are trying to make a statement and you have the emotional/physical fortitude to join a political movement, why not try to make the world a better place for other women? If you are an assault survivor I can understand being wary, though some of the strongest women I've met have been assault survivors.  If the incidence of rape in women is even as high as 25%, that still means the other 75% of women can be strong for their sisters.

Living in fear wont obliterate rape or else we would have far fewer rapes.


Define 'strong empowered women'. I can feel free to say yes or no to whatever sex I like, but that doesn't mean  other people will respect that--which is the problem. If I want to say 'yes' to one thing, in this culture, I have to carry mace and watch what I wear so that I have a  higher chance of my no being respected.

And it still doesn't mean it will be.

We rely on society to enforce every kind of 'no' we say. 'No, you don't get my money, and if you take it by force the police will come'. 'No, you don't get to break this contract, and if you do you owe me a penalty'. But the only way a woman's sexual no can be enforced is if the woman is meticulously careful about how others view her. In that light, it takes tremendous strength to say 'yes' at all, because if you say 'no', you might be the only one who can reinforce it. It takes a  lot to beat the shiat out of someone, or be willing to kill them to save yourself. Not everyone has that.
 
2014-03-19 03:49:53 PM

ikanreed: Fafai:
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

Why?


Because there are people who don't give a fark about how others feel or what they do, and only care about themselves. Are you really asking me why telling people not to do something will not be 100% effective for all people? I guess you can 'teach' empathy up to a point, but it's not THE solution like I hear people saying. The only solution against any crime is to think small and immediate and keep you and yours safe. If we could eliminate a particular crime from happening at all, wouldn't we have done it by now (with any crime, not just rape)?
 
2014-03-19 03:53:16 PM

Fafai: ikanreed: Fafai:
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

Why?

Because there are people who don't give a fark about how others feel or what they do, and only care about themselves. Are you really asking me why telling people not to do something will not be 100% effective for all people? I guess you can 'teach' empathy up to a point, but it's not THE solution like I hear people saying. The only solution against any crime is to think small and immediate and keep you and yours safe. If we could eliminate a particular crime from happening at all, wouldn't we have done it by now (with any crime, not just rape)?


Yes, that's what I'm asking.  Not today.  Not in 10 years.  In a hundred, what makes you certain that this is a universal truth?
 
2014-03-19 03:56:41 PM
 
2014-03-19 03:59:48 PM

ikanreed: Fafai: ikanreed: Fafai:
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

Why?

Because there are people who don't give a fark about how others feel or what they do, and only care about themselves. Are you really asking me why telling people not to do something will not be 100% effective for all people? I guess you can 'teach' empathy up to a point, but it's not THE solution like I hear people saying. The only solution against any crime is to think small and immediate and keep you and yours safe. If we could eliminate a particular crime from happening at all, wouldn't we have done it by now (with any crime, not just rape)?

Yes, that's what I'm asking.  Not today.  Not in 10 years.  In a hundred, what makes you certain that this is a universal truth?


Human diversity and the fact that it has no precedent. Unless you can tell me the last time we were able to get 100% of all people on the planet to agree on something and walk the walk (and even then it has to be an apt comparison) then I'm going off sheer observation. I'm talking about how things are in reality as-is, not how they might be in 100 years. That's getting a little too sci-fi for me. Not very practical.
 
2014-03-19 04:03:34 PM

Sgt Otter: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

The dude who originally outed her looked like a Lamda Lamda Lamda from "Revenge of the Nerds."  The owner of a particularly vile porn site also recognized his name as a subscriber.


blogs.dallasobserver.com

Not seeing it.
 
2014-03-19 04:09:34 PM
I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.
 
2014-03-19 04:13:22 PM

ongbok: frepnog: ongbok: I know Asia Carrera supposedly has an high IQ, but didn't she end broke, hooked on drugs, a degenerate gambler and begging people on the internet for money?

hm.  i dunno.  did she?

Yeah, read through this. A lot of links, a lot from xxx forums, on the topic. Apparantley she snorted and gambled all the money she made from porn, and what was left her husband was trying to keep from her while he was trying to get her help. Then when she was pregnant he died in a car accident coming back from some business meeting trying to nail down some deal for her. After that she burned through the rest of the money and took to the internet with a sob story about how she was 8 months pregnant, her husband just died and now she is broke because of his funeral expenses and she can't do porn, and started begging people to send her money.

The way the whole thing shook out was just bizarre. Just a few months before all of that she was on her blog bragging about how she had all of this money because she was so smart and saved almost every dime she ever made.


Because people who trade sex for money are known for being scrupulously honest and truthful.
 
2014-03-19 04:24:11 PM

ikanreed: Fafai: ikanreed: Fafai:
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

Why?

Because there are people who don't give a fark about how others feel or what they do, and only care about themselves. Are you really asking me why telling people not to do something will not be 100% effective for all people? I guess you can 'teach' empathy up to a point, but it's not THE solution like I hear people saying. The only solution against any crime is to think small and immediate and keep you and yours safe. If we could eliminate a particular crime from happening at all, wouldn't we have done it by now (with any crime, not just rape)?

Yes, that's what I'm asking.  Not today.  Not in 10 years.  In a hundred, what makes you certain that this is a universal truth?


Because life finds a way? Because the human condition is so complex and awesome that it can't be contained, there can be no predictable outcome for the reasons of human behavior because there are just way too many internal and external factors that are different for every single person?

It's just not possible to control the actions of billions of people or how they will interpret and process information, and then act on it - outside of forced incarceration or some sort of virtual reality scenario. This is the universal truth and rape is a horrendous and unfortunate byproduct of that, not a truth in and of itself.

In 3535 rape may be the most reprehensible crime known to man, with the punishment of a live chemical castration, left alone untreated to die of pain and starvation on a world wide feed but if FARK has taught me anything it is that there will be at least one person who will still think raping someone is a good idea.
 
2014-03-19 04:30:23 PM

Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.


Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.
 
2014-03-19 04:31:09 PM

Fissile: ongbok: frepnog: ongbok: I know Asia Carrera supposedly has an high IQ, but didn't she end broke, hooked on drugs, a degenerate gambler and begging people on the internet for money?

hm.  i dunno.  did she?

Yeah, read through this. A lot of links, a lot from xxx forums, on the topic. Apparantley she snorted and gambled all the money she made from porn, and what was left her husband was trying to keep from her while he was trying to get her help. Then when she was pregnant he died in a car accident coming back from some business meeting trying to nail down some deal for her. After that she burned through the rest of the money and took to the internet with a sob story about how she was 8 months pregnant, her husband just died and now she is broke because of his funeral expenses and she can't do porn, and started begging people to send her money.

The way the whole thing shook out was just bizarre. Just a few months before all of that she was on her blog bragging about how she had all of this money because she was so smart and saved almost every dime she ever made.

Because people who trade sex for money are known for being scrupulously honest and truthful.


Non sequitur. Someone's sexual promiscuity has nothing to do with their honesty and truthfulness.
 
2014-03-19 04:49:58 PM

lockers: lennavan: She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.

Your really invested in this. Slut shaming her won't get you into heaven.


Why is that shameful to you?  Who are you to judge her?
 
2014-03-19 04:53:13 PM

Clutch2013: Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.

Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass herself, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.

 
2014-03-19 05:01:18 PM

MycroftHolmes: Lennavan is not a moralist. He has acknowledged that he supports the porn industry. He just can't imagine that anyone in the porn industry could be possibly happy with the decision.

In essence, he is knowingly supporting an industry that he feels destroys lives. So I would say that exckudes him from being a moralist. Pretty much the opposite.

He does guise his hypocrisy behind a nice 'won't womeone think of the children' facade, though


WTF are you talking about?  I have never said anything about anyone or anything other than this one very specific girl.

How the fark you generalized this is beyond me.  It's probably stupidity.
 
2014-03-19 05:03:46 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

Yes because it's impossible to be both smart and a porn star?

http://www.ranker.com/list/the-13-smartest-porn-stars-of-all-time/gr eg

OR are you suggesting that you know her personally and therefore know she's full of shiat? Let me know where that bandwagon you jumped on finally ends up.

I think he's suggesting that smart or interesting people don't have to prove or show off how smart or interesting they may be. I don't know the context of the picture, maybe she was just answering a fan question, maybe it is photo-shopped (I've seen a lot in my day), but posing with a philosophy book on social media is a pretty empty gesture, a braniac like Sasha Grey should have known better.


Then again, she could read a lot of philosophy, be into philosophy, and not really give a flying fark what people think. This article seems to suggest she's pretty heavily into philosophy.

http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/11/grey-matter/?_php=true &_ type=blogs&_r=0

I now know far more about the chick then I ever really wanted to. The point I was trying to make is, just because you look down on someone because of their profession, doesn't mean they aren't actually smarter than you assume.

On a side note, Frank suggested she was "name dropping" by holding up a book on existentialism, so I guess I should have just assumed he was trying hard to troll in the first place.

/no idea the context of the photo
//posing with anything you're into on social media is a pretty empty gesture, doesn't stop people from doing it
 
2014-03-19 05:05:12 PM

lennavan: this one very specific girl.


Because you don't know her, thus everything you say is clearly and undeniably a generalization.
 
2014-03-19 05:06:50 PM

ikanreed: lennavan: this one very specific girl.

Because you don't know her, thus everything you say is clearly and undeniably a generalization.


I've read what she herself says and I base my opinions on this girl solely by taking what she says as factual.  You're an idiot.
 
2014-03-19 05:22:54 PM

Clutch2013: Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.

Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.


I don't doubt the dude who ran his mouth is a creepy, dateless wonder, who was probably jealous because no matter what he does he's never gonna have his pathetic, little wienie sucked by a porn star.  Let's face it, if this numbnutz had not pointed her out, someone else would have.  It was inevitable.  She should have realized that when she got into porn.
 
2014-03-19 05:39:10 PM

Fissile: Clutch2013: Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.

Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.

I don't doubt the dude who ran his mouth is a creepy, dateless wonder, who was probably jealous because no matter what he does he's never gonna have his pathetic, little wienie sucked by a porn star.  Let's face it, if this numbnutz had not pointed her out, someone else would have.  It was inevitable.  She should have realized that when she got into porn.


I don't doubt that for a second. I also think that if she didn't go in knowing that already, she has had the very thought drilled (heh heh, heh heh) into her head from day one. Probably why it was a side thing and not a full-time career - she was prepping for life after her on-screen adventures, whether it was still in the industry or outside of it.

I'm pretty sure she wasn't expecting to be exposed so close to the jump, though. I don't think anyone would be. Now she has to commit full-time or close to that, because of scumbags.
 
2014-03-19 05:45:08 PM

PsiChick: Define 'strong empowered women'. I can feel free to say yes or no to whatever sex I like, but that doesn't mean  other people will respect that--which is the problem. If I want to say 'yes' to one thing, in this culture, I have to carry mace and watch what I wear so that I have a  higher chance of my no being respected.

And it still doesn't mean it will be.

We rely on society to enforce every kind of 'no' we say. 'No, you don't get my money, and if you take it by force the police will come'. 'No, you don't get to break this contract, and if yo ...

If you wait until someone is assaulting you to make a stand, you aren't really demonstrating that you have power over yourself or over how men treat you. In order for women to stop being afraid, they have to start controlling the public discourse on sex and gender. If you look at this thread alone it's like 90%+ men discussing what's ok for this girl to do. Why should men have that much sway or influence in our morality and how we conduct our lives? I would even say men have greater control of this discourse outside of this forum. And so long as women can fear for their lives or get called sluts or can be driven out of college for talking candidly about sex, culture is the problem and not not physical gender differences. When other women see this we should be telling men to shut their traps or risk never getting laid again. Unfortunately, a lot of women contribute to the abuse of other women, so we'd probably have to reduce that before men take us seriously.

I realize that some men might be turned off by women being up front about sex but IMHO that's tough cookies.

/it's a clusterfark and not going to magically change any time soon, but those who believe strongly in women's rights can at least stop cowtowing to men and contributing to the stereotypes society uses to keep us in our place

Fafai: elysive: Living in fear wont obliterate rape

Awareness can help keep women safe on an individual basis, but it will only shift the crime to other women who are less aware. If you want to eliminate the existence of a crime altogether, you need to teach men not to do it. That's why nobody does illegal narcotics on this planet anymore, because of those 'this is your brain on drugs' commercials.

/you can only mitigate crime

//you can't eradicate it completely

///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

I agree that the answer is not to shift blame to weaker women...but it scares me that a "feminist" could rationalize women unilaterally pulling the "I'm a helpless weakling" card. Undoubtedly the answer is to fix our culture and educate new generations. I don't know if "Bobby, don't be raping womens" is sufficient to make change (as I expect many men alive, including rapists, have already learned "no means no" at some point in their lives) so much as teaching people to respect each other. I don't know in what bizarro world it makes sense to shame a person for the same behavior that you proudly partake in.

 
2014-03-19 05:53:08 PM

elysive: PsiChick: Define 'strong empowered women'. I can feel free to say yes or no to whatever sex I like, but that doesn't mean  other people will respect that--which is the problem. If I want to say 'yes' to one thing, in this culture, I have to carry mace and watch what I wear so that I have a  higher chance of my no being respected.

And it still doesn't mean it will be.

We rely on society to enforce every kind of 'no' we say. 'No, you don't get my money, and if you take it by force the police will come'. 'No, you don't get to break this contract, and if yo ...If you wait until someone is assaulting you to make a stand, you aren't really demonstrating that you have power over yourself or over how men treat you. In order for women to stop being afraid, they have to start controlling the public discourse on sex and gender. If you look at this thread alone it's like 90%+ men discussing what's ok for this girl to do. Why should men have that much sway or influence in our morality and how we conduct our lives? I would even say men have greater control of this discourse outside of this forum. And so long as women can fear for their lives or get called sluts or can be driven out of college for talking candidly about sex, culture is the problem and not not physical gender differences. When other women see this we should be telling men to shut their traps or risk never getting laid again. Unfortunately, a lot of women contribute to the abuse of other women, so we'd probably have to reduce that before men take us seriously.I realize that some men might be turned off by women being up front about sex but IMHO that's tough cookies./it's a clusterfark and not going to magically change any time soon, but those who believe strongly in women's rights can at least stop cowtowing to men and contributing to the stereotypes society uses to keep us in our place


Now  this I agree with. However, it doesn't change that, in the meantime, a lot of women will freak out and be irrational, because  all humans, male, female, or any other gender, are irrational.
 
2014-03-19 06:24:13 PM

ongbok: Clutch2013: Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.

Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass herself, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.


I went back and read the original blog, and the follow-up (on mobile, so can't link). The three big takeaways:

1) She was exposed, particularly by someone she'd hoped she could trust.

2) She knew what was coming. The severity of it seems to have caught her off-guard, though.

3) She's been trying to, in her words, "control the conversation" ever since.

She's been trying to make a good thing out of a bad development. Whether or not she's been successful is up for debate. I will say that having reread both articles now, she would probably be better served getting the hell out of Duke. Thomas Bagley's pretty much ensured that she'll never finish her time there with anything remotely approaching peace or stability.
 
2014-03-19 06:27:44 PM
I think it is sad that you people are all blaming the guy for outing her. She outed herself by telling him. If she didn't want anybody to know she wouldn't have told him. And I don't believe for a minute that he is the only person she told. She probably did what a lot of 19 and 19 year old college freshmen do and tell people very personal stuff about themselves that they shouldn't be sharing thinking it will make them interesting and stand out. I had no doubt that she told people this thinking it would make them think she was edgy and cool. And when it didn't turn out the way she thought it would and she started getting blowback, out of all the people she told, she picked the one that she didn't mind losing as a friend and threw him under the bus to gain public sympathy.
 
2014-03-19 06:30:10 PM

elysive: I don't know if "Bobby, don't be raping womens" is sufficient to make change (as I expect many men alive, including rapists, have already learned "no means no" at some point in their lives) so much as teaching people to respect each other.


I couldn't agree more. However the problem there is that "feminists" consider it wasteful to apply this education to everyone. They'd rather attack the symptom because the treatment can be localized to the one offending gender (which isn't actually true--both genders can and have committed sexual assault but things like that don't stop these people from pushing their narrative). I'm guessing you'll get just as much pushback from feminists if your suggestion to this problem is "teach people to respect each other" as you will from me if you tell me I need lessons on "how not to rape." They're not the guilty parties after all, so why should they need to learn anything? It's men. Men are the guilty ones and since you can't tell a rapist from a non-raping man then we need to teach all the men (but not the women because female rapists are so rare that their victims don't really matter).

/will teach my kid how not to rape and how not to get raped
//will support him if he doesn't want to participate in mandatory, gender-discriminatory education
///i do teach people not to rape and i'm farking tired of all the insinuations that say otherwise. I don't have to answer for people who hurt others just because I'm the same gender as most of these people
 
2014-03-19 06:36:48 PM

Clutch2013: ongbok: Clutch2013: Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.

Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass herself, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.

I went back and read the original blog, and the follow-up (on mobile, so can't link). The three big takeaways:

1) She was exposed, particularly by someone she'd hoped she could trust.

2) She knew what was coming. The severity of it seems to have caught her off-guard, though.

3) She's been trying to, in her words, "control the conversation" ever since.

She's been trying to make a good thing out of a bad development. Whether or not she's been successful is up for debate. I will say that having reread both articles now, she would probably be better served getting the hell out of Duke.She has Thomas Bagley's pretty much ensured that she'll never finish her time there with anything remotely approaching peace or stability.


She wanted attention and she got it.
 
2014-03-19 06:41:42 PM

Fafai: I'm guessing you'll get just as much pushback from feminists if your suggestion to this problem is "teach people to respect each other" as you will from me if you tell me I need lessons on "how not to rape." They're not the guilty parties after all, so why should they need to learn anything? It's men.


Those feminists would have to have their heads pretty far up their derrieres not to acknowledge that females are very frequently mean and demeaning to one another. They would have to be repressing a lot of high school memories, in fact.

PsiChick: Now  this I agree with. However, it doesn't change that, in the meantime, a lot of women will freak out and be irration ...


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