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2014-03-19 08:38:49 AM
Knox is putting her money where her mouth is

Apparently
 
2014-03-19 08:46:31 AM
The good news is she finally realized Duke sucks.
 
2014-03-19 08:50:07 AM
Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.
 
2014-03-19 09:14:24 AM
A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.
 
2014-03-19 09:22:59 AM
That girl has balls. And Duke sucks.
 
2014-03-19 09:29:40 AM
Her leaving college is so sad. She was head of her class.
 
2014-03-19 09:29:56 AM

Therion: That girl has balls. And Duke sucks.


Duke sucks for money.
 
2014-03-19 09:30:27 AM

Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.


The dude who originally outed her looked like a Lamda Lamda Lamda from "Revenge of the Nerds."  The owner of a particularly vile porn site also recognized his name as a subscriber.
 
2014-03-19 09:30:50 AM
"I am still getting death threats," she told FOX411. "I've had people threaten to throw trash on me."

What a weird follow up. You would think you would reverse those.
 
2014-03-19 09:31:18 AM
sounds like it's mostly chicks who are jealous she gets paid to bang dudes with giant wangs.
 
2014-03-19 09:31:22 AM
Knox, a self-described feminist and women's studies major,

She should be thanking her detractors for keeping her from wasting her money.
 
2014-03-19 09:31:34 AM

Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.


And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.
 
2014-03-19 09:32:29 AM
Thus making the world safe for good little misses and their ever-present football player rapists.
 
2014-03-19 09:32:53 AM
that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.
 
2014-03-19 09:34:49 AM
Since she doesn't do fart porn I wouldn't have seen her, but the jealous women bit makes sense.
 
2014-03-19 09:35:18 AM

b0rscht: Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.


Libertarian1 Women's Studies major2 porn star3. There is a Venn diagram you'd never expect to see a contact point on.
 
2014-03-19 09:35:23 AM

frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.


Why not both? The world needs more sex-positive feminists, and people like to watch attractive women f*ck. It's win-win for everybody.
 
2014-03-19 09:35:28 AM
Duke dominates.
 
2014-03-19 09:35:37 AM
Google vid her..nice body, and it looks like she doesn't mind gargling a nice load of nut gravy.


/just saying.
 
2014-03-19 09:35:39 AM

frepnog: seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point


She'd make a killing for that video.
 
2014-03-19 09:35:50 AM
Way to be, America.
 
2014-03-19 09:37:26 AM

the8re: frepnog: seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point

She'd make a killing for that video.


Debbie Does Duke
 
2014-03-19 09:37:53 AM

lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.


Like there's nothing self reliant about a man using his arms to do day labor? Or construction, non skilled, work? Or a yoga instructor? Fry cook? Hell, even a salaryman uses his body and isn't particularly well trained or anything.

Porn is actually a skill, as I understand it, even for the women. Don't these shoots which produce an hour often take 12+ to film?

It's not brain surgery, sure. But like most things in life, it involves a willingness to get dirty and use your body.
 
2014-03-19 09:38:03 AM
shoot her in the face... I rather she just swallow.
 
2014-03-19 09:38:56 AM
This is why we can't trashy things, America.
 
2014-03-19 09:39:14 AM

frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.


I could be wrong but I doubt her real name is Belle Knox...
 
2014-03-19 09:39:26 AM

Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.


Don't forget "because Jesus". It's often a factor, and never not a factor in the South.
 
2014-03-19 09:39:48 AM
This why I can't proofread my posts, Fark.
 
2014-03-19 09:40:00 AM
She's actually quite....homely.
 
2014-03-19 09:40:07 AM
Also, fun fact. I'm good friends with a girl who's older sister did some porn (Roxie Deville is her porn name). I've met her a few times. She's retired from the business now and married to the guy who took over for Adam Corolla on Love Line.
 
2014-03-19 09:40:28 AM

Headso: sounds like it's mostly chicks who are jealous she gets paid to bang dudes with giant wangs.


And that their boyfriends are jacking off to her.
 
2014-03-19 09:41:07 AM

Grungehamster: b0rscht: Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.

Libertarian1 Women's Studies major2 porn star3. There is a Venn diagram you'd never expect to see a contact point on.


Personally, I like a challenge. That qualifies.
 
2014-03-19 09:41:10 AM
Apparently she's a cutter. That's empowering too.
 
2014-03-19 09:41:27 AM

Billy Bathsalt: Thus making the world safe for good little misses and their ever-present football player rapists.


Watch your mouth, bro. Duke's accused rapists were lacrosse players. They'll totally pop their collars on you.
 
2014-03-19 09:41:49 AM

b0rscht: Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.


I have been studying women for a long fricken time, and I still don't understand them. And regardless of that lack of understanding, I still very much enjoy playing with them.
 
2014-03-19 09:42:22 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Apparently she's a cutter. That's empowering too.


Really? That is all sorts of sad.
 
2014-03-19 09:42:29 AM

lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.


That's the scariest kind of all.
 
2014-03-19 09:44:37 AM

Headso: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

I could be wrong but I doubt her real name is Belle Knox...


Her real name is out there.
 
2014-03-19 09:44:49 AM
quote from article:  "If I could give advice for any person who was choosing college, I would honestly advise them to go to a cheaper school," she said.

well... she has learned something from her first year at Duke.
 
2014-03-19 09:45:32 AM

Marcus Aurelius: lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.

That's the scariest kind of all.


Man up Nancy
 
2014-03-19 09:47:04 AM
31.media.tumblr.com

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.
 
2014-03-19 09:47:14 AM

b0rscht: Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.



Look at it this way.  While she is on the fast track to unemployment, she won't have tuition debt and she apparently already knows how to turn a buck or two.
 
2014-03-19 09:47:42 AM
In before "Since you aren't condemning the actions of a college girl you don't know means you want your children to do cocaine."
 
2014-03-19 09:48:14 AM
Make sure she steals a cheerleader uniform before she leaves so her next video can be "Duke Sucks...Everyone".
 
2014-03-19 09:49:29 AM

Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.


I bet she is better read than you. Seriously, just stop.
 
2014-03-19 09:50:15 AM
There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).
 
2014-03-19 09:50:18 AM

lockers: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

I bet she is better read than you. Seriously, just stop.


wut?
 
2014-03-19 09:50:21 AM

frepnog: that's it, ladies. keep thinking you can have a life after porn. seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.


Specifically, this girl wants to be taking seriously as a feminist/women's studies major after a life in porn.
 
2014-03-19 09:51:14 AM

rjakobi: Make sure she steals a cheerleader uniform before she leaves so her next video can be "Duke Sucks...Everyone".


I'm waiting for the sequel, The Blew Devils.
 
2014-03-19 09:51:19 AM
Not to condone it, but how did she not see this coming? Was she not aware that many college students spend most of their waking hours watching porn online?
 
2014-03-19 09:51:25 AM

Billy Bathsalt: Thus making the world safe for good little misses and their ever-present football player rapists.


They were all in love with dyin', they were doin' it in Texas?
 
2014-03-19 09:51:54 AM

Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.


Existentialism for dummies?  I slogged through Being and Nothingness.  Now I'm not sure why, at the time I kept telling myself it was an important part of 20th century philosophy.
 
2014-03-19 09:52:03 AM

Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).


Well...they could just pay her. She's stripping in NY right now, I'm confident someone has closed that deal.
 
2014-03-19 09:52:10 AM

Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).


I'm inclined to agree with you on this. I mean, if you don't like sluts than don't date one. It's something that literally does not (or should not) matter in your life. It kind of baffles me.
 
2014-03-19 09:53:00 AM
Tooooootally not dropping out.
 
2014-03-19 09:53:05 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

Existentialism for dummies?  I slogged through Being and Nothingness.  Now I'm not sure why, at the time I kept telling myself it was an important part of 20th century philosophy.


I'm not a fan of existentialism (or most things post-modern) in general.
 
2014-03-19 09:53:17 AM

Grungehamster: Libertarian1 Women's Studies major2 porn star3. There is a Venn diagram you'd never expect to see a contact point on.


You don't know much about womens studies do you.

/strippers and lesbians my friend. strippers and lesbians.
 
2014-03-19 09:54:30 AM

b0rscht: Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.


Nothing says "I came here to find a husband" like a worthless major.
 
2014-03-19 09:54:45 AM
FTA: "I've made between 25-30 videos, and at the rate I'm going, I've made enough to pay for this year."

Either that's an expensive school, or I way overestimate how much a porn star makes.
 
2014-03-19 09:54:57 AM

StRalphTheLiar: Not to condone it, but how did she not see this coming? Was she not aware that many college students spend most of their waking hours watching porn online?


"Thanks for letting me see you naked. I'M GOING TO MURDER YOU!" seems like a bit of a nonsensical train of thought to be perfectly honest.
 
2014-03-19 09:55:19 AM

kroonermanblack: lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.

Like there's nothing self reliant about a man using his arms to do day labor? Or construction, non skilled, work? Or a yoga instructor? Fry cook? Hell, even a salaryman uses his body and isn't particularly well trained or anything.

Porn is actually a skill, as I understand it, even for the women. Don't these shoots which produce an hour often take 12+ to film?

It's not brain surgery, sure. But like most things in life, it involves a willingness to get dirty and use your body.



I understand you want to argue back by showing a double standard about men.  You know there are male porn stars too, right?  So we can actually talk about the actual male equivalent.  And I feel the same way about them which is -- when I think about self reliant people, I don't think porn stars.  When I teach my kids about self-reliance, I'm not going to use being a porn star as a great example.
 
2014-03-19 09:55:23 AM

The hopeless imp: FTA: "I've made between 25-30 videos, and at the rate I'm going, I've made enough to pay for this year."

Either that's an expensive school, or I way overestimate how much a porn star makes.


Some of both.  Maybe lots.
 
2014-03-19 09:57:01 AM

Sybarite: Knox is putting her money-SHOT where her mouth is

Apparently

 
2014-03-19 09:57:30 AM
Okay, we've found a threshold of slut-hating that fark won't defend.  That's nice.
 
2014-03-19 09:57:31 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

Existentialism for dummies?  I slogged through Being and Nothingness.  Now I'm not sure why, at the time I kept telling myself it was an important part of 20th century philosophy.




I'll get my existentialism from Samuel Beckett plays, thank you very much. At least those have a little slapstick to liven things up.
 
2014-03-19 09:58:22 AM

The hopeless imp: FTA: "I've made between 25-30 videos, and at the rate I'm going, I've made enough to pay for this year."

Either that's an expensive school, or I way overestimate how much a porn star makes.


I think it's around $50k a year
 
2014-03-19 09:59:18 AM

Frank N Stein: Mr. Eugenides: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

Existentialism for dummies?  I slogged through Being and Nothingness.  Now I'm not sure why, at the time I kept telling myself it was an important part of 20th century philosophy.

I'm not a fan of existentialism (or most things post-modern) in general.


For some reason I thought philosophy in general and existentialism in particular would be cool so I took an exitentialist course in college (and read that particular book Sasha Grey is holding).  Sartre has some decent political/sociological stuff, but in general I found everyone to be building mountains of "truth" out of assertions and unproven facts.  The writing is generally good though.
 
2014-03-19 09:59:36 AM
Men have been known to act violently when their fragile egos are dented.
 
2014-03-19 10:00:01 AM

b0rscht: Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.


Would throwing some trash at her make you better?
 
2014-03-19 10:00:02 AM

CruJones: The hopeless imp: FTA: "I've made between 25-30 videos, and at the rate I'm going, I've made enough to pay for this year."

Either that's an expensive school, or I way overestimate how much a porn star makes.

I think it's around $50k a year


Damn. I think my uni is around 35,000 a year. Not sure though cause I'm a GI Bill welfare queen
 
2014-03-19 10:00:35 AM

StRalphTheLiar: Not to condone it, but how did she not see this coming?


img2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-19 10:00:54 AM
Why is there a problem with the guy who "outed" her? It isn't like she is a covert agent of the NSA for fark's sake.
 
2014-03-19 10:01:37 AM

Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.


She's a sex addict with daddy issues. Please do not buy into her "New Feminism" bullshiat.

Also as someone who went right from a sheltered home in the 'burbs to sucking cox I think she's more "dependent" than "independent".

I don't wish her any ill will, I just despise it when people lie to themselves because they can't face the truth.
 
2014-03-19 10:01:38 AM

kroonermanblack: lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.

Like there's nothing self reliant about a man using his arms to do day labor? Or construction, non skilled, work? Or a yoga instructor? Fry cook? Hell, even a salaryman uses his body and isn't particularly well trained or anything.

Porn is actually a skill, as I understand it, even for the women. Don't these shoots which produce an hour often take 12+ to film?

It's not brain surgery, sure. But like most things in life, it involves a willingness to get dirty and use your body.



How dare you question the moral discourse of labor and class distinction?

Day laborers and construction workers are exploited by the system for their physical strength, except when they're real men with real man jobs, getting their hands dirty and building America. Fry cooks and yoga instructors are all potheads, and the yoga instructors are either gay or date rapists.

Women's sex must be protected for the good of the nation and used by its men.
 
2014-03-19 10:02:10 AM
I find it oddly coincidental that she dropped out due to death threats and threats of trash being thrown, and last night she made her debut as a stripper in NYC.  I think she's just trying to cash in, which I agree with.
 
2014-03-19 10:02:16 AM

Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).


This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.
 
2014-03-19 10:02:51 AM

Frank N Stein: lockers: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

I bet she is better read than you. Seriously, just stop.

wut?


People are really hot to stomp all over your dick lately.  What gives?
 
2014-03-19 10:03:54 AM

The hopeless imp: FTA: "I've made between 25-30 videos, and at the rate I'm going, I've made enough to pay for this year."

Either that's an expensive school, or I way overestimate how much a porn star makes.


The Internet has probably lowered porno pay rates.
 
2014-03-19 10:04:08 AM
She did this to pay for college and her major is women's studies? What?
 
2014-03-19 10:04:19 AM

BeesNuts: Frank N Stein: lockers: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

I bet she is better read than you. Seriously, just stop.

wut?

People are really hot to stomp all over your dick lately.  What gives?


I don't know but maybe I should drop out of school and film some videos of this. There might be some money in it.
 
2014-03-19 10:04:30 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Apparently she's a cutter. That's empowering too.


Yikes. I haven't seen anything about that in the media reports. If true, it puts a different spin on her career choices.
 
2014-03-19 10:04:38 AM

ikanreed: Okay, we've found a threshold of slut-hating that fark won't defend.  That's nice.


lennavan: And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills


It's odd when the politics tab has less counterpoint than main. Maybe you have an opposing view.
 
2014-03-19 10:04:52 AM
Her mother is Indian, of the subcontinental variety.  Indian men, who watch loads of online porn, get totally freaked from Indian woman they perceive as "loose".   I'm guessing that's where the death threats are probably coming from.

As for the slut shaming from everyone else, I really don't get it.   I had a friend who was the IT guy at a place I used to work.  Years ago, while he was living in Florida, he was approached by some guys who were producing porn vids.   The porn producers hired my friend to design a porn website for this new intrawebz thingy.

My IT friend became very knowledgeable about the porn biz, and the kind of girls who do porn.  The stereotypes about porn chicks are true....most are drug addicts, alcoholics,  have psychological problems or a combination of all of the above.   It's my understanding that this girl likes to cut on herself.

This girl's life is a train wreck in motion, it's disgusting how so many people are feeding off of this.
 
2014-03-19 10:04:56 AM
She'll have 2-3 days of having sex on film every other week for the next couple of years, make a few million dollars, then go back to get her degree when she's tired of it.

Sounds farking ideal, but there are a bunch of people out there acting like this is some kind of tragic life.  If I could make out like a bandit on having people film me while I experience pleasure I would literally be all over that, and nobody would act like I'm tragic.  Cause I'm a dude.

Make it a woman having sex like that though and its just awful.  Awful :'(
 
2014-03-19 10:05:09 AM

Billy Bathsalt: Thus making the world safe for good little misses and their ever-present football player rapists.


They're all in love with dying and they're doing it in Vegas.
 
2014-03-19 10:06:26 AM

lennavan: frepnog: that's it, ladies. keep thinking you can have a life after porn. seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Specifically, this girl wants to be taking seriously as a feminist/women's studies major after a life in porn.


It seems that real experience in porn would give someone excellent insight into women's issues. Heck, she's getting some serious education on America's collective madonna/whore complex right now.
 
2014-03-19 10:06:32 AM

Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.


"Prized resource"? Don't put the pussy on a pedestal.

I have no problem with porn stars. I have a problem with people who don't deal with reality. She's going to crash, and hard.
 
2014-03-19 10:06:56 AM

Rapmaster2000: Frank N Stein: Mr. Eugenides: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

Existentialism for dummies?  I slogged through Being and Nothingness.  Now I'm not sure why, at the time I kept telling myself it was an important part of 20th century philosophy.

I'm not a fan of existentialism (or most things post-modern) in general.

For some reason I thought philosophy in general and existentialism in particular would be cool so I took an exitentialist course in college (and read that particular book Sasha Grey is holding).  Sartre has some decent political/sociological stuff, but in general I found everyone to be building mountains of "truth" out of assertions and unproven facts.  The writing is generally good though.


The only philosophy courses I've taken were on early philosophers (up to Hobbes). Maybe if I took a class on existentialism I'd get a better grasp of it than just some independent readings I've done.
 
2014-03-19 10:06:58 AM

Rapmaster2000: Frank N Stein: Mr. Eugenides: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

Existentialism for dummies?  I slogged through Being and Nothingness.  Now I'm not sure why, at the time I kept telling myself it was an important part of 20th century philosophy.

I'm not a fan of existentialism (or most things post-modern) in general.

For some reason I thought philosophy in general and existentialism in particular would be cool so I took an exitentialist course in college (and read that particular book Sasha Grey is holding).  Sartre has some decent political/sociological stuff, but in general I found everyone to be building mountains of "truth" out of assertions and unproven facts.  The writing is generally good though.


You should have tried anthropology - it's like philosophy, but with real world examples.
 
2014-03-19 10:07:32 AM
I of course hunted down her films and watched one of them. She gets absolutely used and abused while they call her names like "slut" and "whore" and gag her. People can be into whatever they want to be into, I'm not critical of it from that standpoint.

But she claims to be a feminist and a women's studies major. And she said porn was "freeing".  Now, I'm all for sexual liberty and eliminating double-standards when it comes to people's sexual practices, but to call porn "freeing" means she was initially burdened by something that this frees her from. I'm supposing that burden was the idea that society frowns on women having healthy sexuality. So why the secret identity? Why the fear of what other people would think? If you're doing this in the shadows are you really doing anything to help unburden anything at all?

And when it comes to being a feminist, I could be confused and way off base here, but I think that flies in the face (pun intended) of what she does in her films. I'm sure to spark a debate about what is considered "degrading" to women. I'm sure it has something to do with the particular woman's motivation and personal enjoyment / willingness to engage in certain activities, but how is acting
subservient and being called a "slut" and a "whore" on film doing anything to push the ideas of feminine equality in the sexual arena?

tl;dr:  She's an immature attention whore  whose opinions and philosophies are less than half-baked.
 
2014-03-19 10:07:51 AM
Great one ,subby!
 
2014-03-19 10:07:57 AM

Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.


This isn't really a feminist issue, but nice try. This is overly judgmental assholes can't mind their own business. It bothers them that she engages in a profession that they find beneath them and that she isn't repentant about it.
 
2014-03-19 10:08:11 AM

lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.


If you are being sarcastic, you are an idiot.  A person utilizing the assets or talents to support themselves, in whatever legal and ethical capacity, is showing self reliance.

And you do not even want to get into the mess of approaching the hypocrisy of a person openly selling sex, when sex is indirectly sold in just about every industry (ever notice how salespeople for male dominated industries happen to be attractive females...how is what they are doing any different than a porn star, except ion a matter of degree).
 
2014-03-19 10:08:45 AM
Well, thank goodness she has a job she can fall back on, give more f*cks about.
 
2014-03-19 10:08:48 AM

Gaseous Anomaly: lennavan: frepnog: that's it, ladies. keep thinking you can have a life after porn. seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Specifically, this girl wants to be taking seriously as a feminist/women's studies major after a life in porn.

It seems that real experience in porn would give someone excellent insight into women's issues. Heck, she's getting some serious education on America's collective madonna/whore complex right now.


Would make a good thesis, that's for sure.
 
2014-03-19 10:09:03 AM

Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.


Well, of course, but I just wanted to mention that I've known share of dudes who get themselves all worked up over the idea of sluts being all slutty and slutting it up with the whole team/town/frat.

I realize that this is anecdotal, but the unifying theme of these guys was that they weren't getting any attention from said slut, and very little lady attention in general.

Apparently this girl was on the View the other day and got the "oh you poor little thing how could you do this" from the old broad committee.  Of course, Jenny McCarthy had to weigh-in against pornography without a hint of irony.
 
2014-03-19 10:09:37 AM

Cybernetic: HotWingConspiracy: Apparently she's a cutter. That's empowering too.

Yikes. I haven't seen anything about that in the media reports. If true, it puts a different spin on her career choices.


Sorry for the daily fail link

Personally I think she's an inspiration, a true avatar of feminism.
 
2014-03-19 10:09:53 AM

Nemo's Brother: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

This isn't really a feminist issue, but nice try. This is overly judgmental assholes can't mind their own business. It bothers them that she engages in a profession that they find beneath them and that she isn't repentant about it.


According to Knox, most of the threats and harassment is coming from female students.  But it's fun to watch people try to spin this as men attacking women somehow.
 
2014-03-19 10:10:02 AM

Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.



She wouldn't have posted that picture if she wasn't well versed and prepared to successfully apply that knowledge to real world problem solving.  That's how it works.  Hang on a minute. I have a selfie I took of myself holding a copy of "How to be President of the United States." that I can post.  When you see that you'll lose your shiat over the fact that the future president is taking time out of his day to even talk to you.  BRB
 
2014-03-19 10:10:08 AM
May I also ad: Who the hell watches professional porn anyways? I'll take amateur stuff any day (or at least something that leads me to reasonably believe with little suspension of disbelief that it's amateur)
 
2014-03-19 10:10:37 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: b0rscht: Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.

Nothing says "I came here to find a husband" like a worthless major.


Tell us about your worthy major and how it was a very serious endeavor that left you no time for dating, which resulted in your single, celibate, mom's basement existence?
 
2014-03-19 10:10:47 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

She's a sex addict with daddy issues. Please do not buy into her "New Feminism" bullshiat.

Also as someone who went right from a sheltered home in the 'burbs to sucking cox I think she's more "dependent" than "independent".

I don't wish her any ill will, I just despise it when people lie to themselves because they can't face the truth.


Pretty much that.  I hate that she's receiving threats.  And for all I know she's a decent person when just hanging out.  But getting farked on camera empowering?  I guess that's cool when you're banging other young good-looking people for cash.  But lets discuss how empowering it is when your next shoot involves various sex acts with a old ball of fat hair like Ron Jeremey.
 
2014-03-19 10:10:48 AM

The hopeless imp: FTA: "I've made between 25-30 videos, and at the rate I'm going, I've made enough to pay for this year."

Either that's an expensive school, or I way overestimate how much a porn star makes.


$57K per year for Duke.
 
2014-03-19 10:11:06 AM

Frank N Stein: Roxie Deville


I have met one (Isobel Wren). She is kind of a biatch.  I've only met her a few times, but one time she seemed really cool and likable and the other times she wanted you to know she was the smartest, and nerdiest and most cultured person in the room. Maybe that is just her or maybe that is a chip on her shoulder from her job.
 
2014-03-19 10:11:12 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

"Prized resource"? Don't put the pussy on a pedestal.

I have no problem with porn stars. I have a problem with people who don't deal with reality. She's going to crash, and hard.


You'd like that wouldn't you? Make you feel better about all your play-it-safe life choices?
 
2014-03-19 10:11:23 AM
There seems to be a strong correlation between farkers making misogynistic comments in this thread and farkers who loudly and proudly declare their independence from political parties over on the Politics tab.
 
2014-03-19 10:12:25 AM

b0rscht: Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.


Yeah.  She's probably better off not taking such classes.
 
2014-03-19 10:12:31 AM

QueenMamaBee: $57K per year for Duke.


There is no major you could do that would make that worthwhile.
 
2014-03-19 10:12:50 AM

StRalphTheLiar: Not to condone it, but how did she not see this coming? Was she not aware that many college students spend most of their waking hours watching porn online?


She's a college freshman and a relative newbie in the porn biz.
Nearly all her experience has come from school, literature, and self-selected internet content. She'd just left home and didn't know what the world is like, she just thought she did.
 
2014-03-19 10:13:04 AM

Epic Fap Session: There seems to be a strong correlation between farkers making misogynistic comments in this thread and farkers who loudly and proudly declare their independence from political parties over on the Politics tab.


img.fark.net

Politics tab. You should go back to that.
 
2014-03-19 10:13:12 AM

Super_pope: She'll have 2-3 days of having sex on film every other week for the next couple of years, make a few million dollars, then go back to get her degree when she's tired of it.

Sounds farking ideal, but there are a bunch of people out there acting like this is some kind of tragic life.  If I could make out like a bandit on having people film me while I experience pleasure I would literally be all over that, and nobody would act like I'm tragic.  Cause I'm a dude.

Make it a woman having sex like that though and its just awful.  Awful :'(


First of all, you don't make millions in porno unless you're at the top of the popularity pyramid.

Second, here's the sad fact of it: society treats female (and who knows maybe male) porn stars like they have job herpes afterward. Good luck to her if she ever tries to be taken seriously. The assholes who drove her out of Duke will be there when she tries to get a non-industry job later, too.

Most women involved are working through issues of past sexual abuse, some aren't. Most women involved are sex addicts, some aren't. Most people involved are heavy into drug use, some aren't. It will start to get to her eventually.

Lastly: she's not too farking bright for someone who got into Duke if she didn't see this harassment coming.
 
2014-03-19 10:13:19 AM

Frank N Stein: lockers: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

I bet she is better read than you. Seriously, just stop.

wut?


He is saying that you are an insecure idiot and to stop trying so hard to make yourself look better by insulting other people.
 
2014-03-19 10:14:57 AM

QueenMamaBee: The hopeless imp: FTA: "I've made between 25-30 videos, and at the rate I'm going, I've made enough to pay for this year."

Either that's an expensive school, or I way overestimate how much a porn star makes.

$57K per year for Duke.


A couple of weeks worth of work, tops.
 
2014-03-19 10:15:15 AM

jdjoker: Billy Bathsalt: Thus making the world safe for good little misses and their ever-present football player rapists.

Watch your mouth, bro. Duke's accused rapists were lacrosse players. They'll totally pop their collars on you.


Lacrosse is a tough, vicious sport. Lacrosse is actually Algonquin for "bloodsport".
 
2014-03-19 10:15:19 AM

fluffy2097: Grungehamster: Libertarian1 Women's Studies major2 porn star3. There is a Venn diagram you'd never expect to see a contact point on.

You don't know much about womens studies do you.

/strippers and lesbians my friend. strippers and lesbians.


Honestly it's the first two that seem the rarest to me. Libertarian and a porn star is unsurprising: the types of people most attracted to the ideals of libertarianism are young people with an easy stream of cash. Women's studies and porn is ok too considering a major part of third wave feminism has been a rejection of sex work as implicitly exploitive of women. Women's studies majors generally support some sort of intervention to redirect and influence society's view of the role of women. It's not a requirement but seems really common.
 
2014-03-19 10:15:52 AM

Headso: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

I could be wrong but I doubt her real name is Belle Knox...


She's worked on getting publicity and notoriety enough now that when you type her real name into Google it helpfully auto-fills to include her porn name before you even finish her surname. If she ever applies for a non-porn job it'll take all of 30 seconds for potential employers to figure out she's worked in porn.
 
2014-03-19 10:16:11 AM

StRalphTheLiar: Not to condone it, but how did she not see this coming? Was she not aware that many college students spend most of their waking hours watching porn online?


It seems a common theme among porn stars, both men and women, that they don't think anybody they know or associate with will find out that they do porn, and are shocked when they do.
 
2014-03-19 10:18:16 AM
I've never understood what the problem with porn is. Lots of women can't give a decent hummer for love or money, why shouldn't a woman who can and is willing to produce a product people want be able to make a living at it?
And dude porn stars too. Lots of guys will never be able to perform even the base retirement (having a huge dick) much less be able to get and maintain multiple erections and have controlled ejaculations.
There are more worthless, scummy jobs out there. Like HR manager. Or lawyer.
 
2014-03-19 10:20:08 AM

QueenMamaBee: The hopeless imp: FTA: "I've made between 25-30 videos, and at the rate I'm going, I've made enough to pay for this year."

Either that's an expensive school, or I way overestimate how much a porn star makes.

$57K per year for Duke.


Also 25-30 videos only takes a couple of months to wrack up.  That's a pretty decent payday only working like.. 2 days a week.

She was a relative unknown too.  People will be much more interested now meaning she'll make quite a bit more money going forward.  She'll probably even do a lot of college themed content with Duke-esque outfits to capitalize on this.
 
2014-03-19 10:20:26 AM

lockers: Since she doesn't do fart porn I wouldn't have seen her, but the jealous women bit makes sense.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-19 10:20:30 AM

Target Builder: Headso: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

I could be wrong but I doubt her real name is Belle Knox...

She's worked on getting publicity and notoriety enough now that when you type her real name into Google it helpfully auto-fills to include her porn name before you even finish her surname. If she ever applies for a non-porn job it'll take all of 30 seconds for potential employers to figure out she's worked in porn.


Of course, the guy who outed her porn career is also notorious now.
 
2014-03-19 10:20:52 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I've never understood what the problem with porn is. Lots of women can't give a decent hummer for love or money, why shouldn't a woman who can and is willing to produce a product people want be able to make a living at it?
And dude porn stars too. Lots of guys will never be able to perform even the base retirement (having a huge dick) much less be able to get and maintain multiple erections and have controlled ejaculations.
There are more worthless, scummy jobs out there. Like HR manager. Or lawyer.


Duh, Jesus didn't do porn so obviously it must be the work of the devil.
 
2014-03-19 10:20:55 AM

MycroftHolmes: lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.

If you are being sarcastic, you are an idiot.  A person utilizing the assets or talents to support themselves, in whatever legal and ethical capacity, is showing self reliance.

And you do not even want to get into the mess of approaching the hypocrisy of a person openly selling sex, when sex is indirectly sold in just about every industry (ever notice how salespeople for male dominated industries happen to be attractive females...how is what they are doing any different than a porn star, except ion a matter of degree).



This is such a farking joke.  You know what, if you want to believe the bullshiat this girl is peddling, you go right ahead.  You're right, she's a real self reliant hero, worthy of admiration.  Little girls should be taught about how great she is.
 
2014-03-19 10:21:39 AM

Sgt Otter: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

The dude who originally outed her looked like a Lamda Lamda Lamda from "Revenge of the Nerds."  The owner of a particularly vile porn site also recognized his name as a subscriber.


...that horrible moment when he realized that there was STILL absolutely no way that she'd sleep with him...

How she makes her money, I don't care. It's legal, she's a consenting adult, and in all honesty, I'd rather see prostitution legalized just to get the pimps out of the game, to see men and women engaged in the trade get some legal protection, as well the chance to see them organized--not to mention get the police and others out of the sex trade directly or indirectly with corruption and bribes paid to them--and paying their taxes. The sex industry is huge, and the revenue is just sort of hidden away and laundered and it only makes money for folks who are less than scrupulous to begin with, so let's bring it out into the light, and stop the faux moralizing about it, when every damn town in the nation has its prostitutes. Legalize it already, and get these folks some decent medical care, real protection that doesn't involve pimps, and stringing folks out on drugs to keep them compliant.

As for the "strong woman" motif: I don't care. It's none of my damn business. Too gottverdammt Nosey Nellies in the world as it is.

What kills me about this whole thing is this: folks get themselves all up on a high horse about porn, yet don't seem to be all that incensed about viewing the stuff. If you're watching porn, and you're disgusted at the thought of this woman: congrats, you're part of the damn problem. It's better to be the reason that it's profitable, than getting paid. You'd rather be the entire reason for an industry, make demands upon it, but then look down on the folks who make fodder for your evening wank. Get over it. It's porn. You like it well enough, but the moment that the people might actually appear to be real, and not just sprites, then it becomes all icky. And maybe that's the problem...
 
2014-03-19 10:23:23 AM

ongbok: It seems a common theme among porn stars, both men and women, that they don't think anybody they know or associate with will find out that they do porn, and are shocked when they do.


Or they're shocked about the dramatic shift in how people treat them and how hypocritical everyone around them is.
 
2014-03-19 10:23:33 AM

Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.


Surely an attractive woman who is comfortable with her sexuality can't also comprehend philosophy.
 
2014-03-19 10:25:36 AM

lennavan: This is such a farking joke. You know what, if you want to believe the bullshiat this girl is peddling, you go right ahead. You're right, she's a real self reliant hero, worthy of admiration. Little girls should be taught about how great she is.


You seem concerned.
 
2014-03-19 10:25:55 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Super_pope: She'll have 2-3 days of having sex on film every other week for the next couple of years, make a few million dollars, then go back to get her degree when she's tired of it.

Sounds farking ideal, but there are a bunch of people out there acting like this is some kind of tragic life.  If I could make out like a bandit on having people film me while I experience pleasure I would literally be all over that, and nobody would act like I'm tragic.  Cause I'm a dude.

Make it a woman having sex like that though and its just awful.  Awful :'(

First of all, you don't make millions in porno unless you're at the top of the popularity pyramid.

Second, here's the sad fact of it: society treats female (and who knows maybe male) porn stars like they have job herpes afterward. Good luck to her if she ever tries to be taken seriously. The assholes who drove her out of Duke will be there when she tries to get a non-industry job later, too.

Most women involved are working through issues of past sexual abuse, some aren't. Most women involved are sex addicts, some aren't. Most people involved are heavy into drug use, some aren't. It will start to get to her eventually.

Lastly: she's not too farking bright for someone who got into Duke if she didn't see this harassment coming.


I can't think of a single porn star who's mad millions.  15 years ago the average rate per straight sex scene was $1,500.   More for fetish or interracial.  Today the average is about $1K.   Yes, some "stars" get more, but those are few and far in between.  The girls make most of their money from dancing at the strip clubs....the videos are mostly like advertisements.
 
2014-03-19 10:26:04 AM

Theaetetus: Target Builder: Headso: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

I could be wrong but I doubt her real name is Belle Knox...

She's worked on getting publicity and notoriety enough now that when you type her real name into Google it helpfully auto-fills to include her porn name before you even finish her surname. If she ever applies for a non-porn job it'll take all of 30 seconds for potential employers to figure out she's worked in porn.

Of course, the guy who outed her porn career is also notorious now.


I have a strong feeling that 12 months down the line the only person who will have come out ahead is the owner of the site she was outed from.
 
2014-03-19 10:26:05 AM
FTFA "If I could give advice for any person who was choosing college, I would honestly advise them to go to a cheaper school," she said."

something about this comment made me laugh. It almost undermines her personal philosophy, as if it dawned on her, "You mean, I didn't have to get DP'd for 2 straight months and spackled with cum to get an education".

I have never put much stock into the credos and anthems of the sexual revolution. While sex can definitely be an empowering and grand expression of self, a lot of what turns the gears in the internet porn world doesn't seem to be so redeeming. I also believe that there are hard-wired psychological tendencies passed through billions of years of evolution that filter differently the sex experience for men and women. That a woman's natural predisposition or instinctual nature toward sex is more family and mentally oriented in her psyche, which makes turning out different sexual partners difficult behavior to reconcile. This may even be a part of a larger human condition, as after a period of loose and free sex I felt unfulfilled and held a low self-esteem, wanted a change, something more stable and real. Maybe Knox Belle can compartmentalize better, who knows. Maybe she's just a sexual freak and there's nothing wrong with that either, unless it starts to endanger her life directly.

I wish her the best, would love to take her to task and hope she can navigate the next three years in the porn biz.
 
2014-03-19 10:26:34 AM

Fissile: Her mother is Indian, of the subcontinental variety.  Indian men, who watch loads of online porn, get totally freaked from Indian woman they perceive as "loose".   I'm guessing that's where the death threats are probably coming from.

As for the slut shaming from everyone else, I really don't get it.   I had a friend who was the IT guy at a place I used to work.  Years ago, while he was living in Florida, he was approached by some guys who were producing porn vids.   The porn producers hired my friend to design a porn website for this new intrawebz thingy.

My IT friend became very knowledgeable about the porn biz, and the kind of girls who do porn.  The stereotypes about porn chicks are true....most are drug addicts, alcoholics,  have psychological problems or a combination of all of the above.   It's my understanding that this girl likes to cut on herself.

This girl's life is a train wreck in motion, it's disgusting how so many people are feeding off of this.


For 7 years I dated a guy whose family owned strip bars. I grew up in a Catholic family in rural Florida. It was nothing short of culture shock when my BF went to work for the family bars handling the books.

The women were exactly as you described. I saw fights over who stole whose cocaine from their locker. Every day the girls were trashed at work.. Some of them looked like zombies. I learned a lot about women's studies and so will this young lady.

I went on a double date with my BF and his father and his father's stripper GF. They started talking business and complaining that the girls were always drunk or high, a situation the owners tolerated. His dad made a comment like "I just don't understand why they can't be sober when they work". And I said "because they are trying to forget who they are and where they are."

I knew two people in that business who weren't constantly farked up.. My BF's father's GF, and a chick I met in college. Everyone else was perpetually wasted and their lives were modern tragedies.
 
2014-03-19 10:26:47 AM

Pangea: Surely an attractive woman who is comfortable with her sexuality can't also comprehend philosophy.


Most don't try to use it as a prop to scream as loud as they can to the world, "TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!! I'M SMART!"
 
2014-03-19 10:27:17 AM
Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."


Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.
 
2014-03-19 10:27:32 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Her leaving college is so sad. She was head of her class.


-_-
 
2014-03-19 10:28:36 AM

Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.


Speaking of frightened, you should maybe think about not using "pussy" as a pejorative, it makes you look like you've never been there before.
 
2014-03-19 10:28:41 AM

Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.


Frightens a lot of male farkers too.
 
2014-03-19 10:28:51 AM
Nothing is more indicative of the hypocritical naivete and ignorance of fundies than the fact that they are instantly willing to get violent over somebody else's genitals.
 
2014-03-19 10:29:46 AM
Last night I watched Cosmos and my spirit was lifted by the soaring majesty of the history of life on this planet and its dogged tenacity.

Then I came in here, read this story and the stupidity of the whole thing reached into the sky, grabbed me by the balls and pulled me down into a pile of intellectual shiat so deep I don't think I'll ever feel the sun on my face again.

/ I would not be greatly disappointed if the tree of life's ape branch snapped off....
 
2014-03-19 10:30:35 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I've never understood what the problem with porn is. Lots of women can't give a decent hummer for love or money, why shouldn't a woman who can and is willing to produce a product people want be able to make a living at it?


You must not have seen her porn ... she's not talented.  She just lays there getting farked.  Female porn stars aren't making money because they're outstanding ... they make money because they are willing to do things that other people would be too ashamed to do.  She completely entitled to her money, and doesn't deserve to be harassed - but I would say the same thing about a prostitute (and she is a prostitute).  There's nothing wrong with what she's doing, but I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.
 
2014-03-19 10:30:59 AM

skozlaw: Last night I watched Cosmos and my spirit was lifted by the soaring majesty of the history of life on this planet and its dogged tenacity.

Then I came in here, read this story and the stupidity of the whole thing reached into the sky, grabbed me by the balls and pulled me down into a pile of intellectual shiat so deep I don't think I'll ever feel the sun on my face again.

/ I would not be greatly disappointed if the tree of life's ape branch snapped off....


Weird. You post did the same to me.
 
2014-03-19 10:31:32 AM

Clint_Torres: Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."

Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.


She said he apologized and she apparently accepted it, what else are you looking for?
 
2014-03-19 10:31:52 AM

hubiestubert: Sgt Otter: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

The dude who originally outed her looked like a Lamda Lamda Lamda from "Revenge of the Nerds."  The owner of a particularly vile porn site also recognized his name as a subscriber.

...that horrible moment when he realized that there was STILL absolutely no way that she'd sleep with him...

How she makes her money, I don't care. It's legal, she's a consenting adult, and in all honesty, I'd rather see prostitution legalized just to get the pimps out of the game, to see men and women engaged in the trade get some legal protection, as well the chance to see them organized--not to mention get the police and others out of the sex trade directly or indirectly with corruption and bribes paid to them--and paying their taxes. The sex industry is huge, and the revenue is just sort of hidden away and laundered and it only makes money for folks who are less than scrupulous to begin with, so let's bring it out into the light, and stop the faux moralizing about it, when every damn town in the nation has its prostitutes. Legalize it already, and get these folks some decent medical care, real protection that doesn't involve pimps, and stringing folks out on drugs to keep them compliant.

As for the "strong woman" motif: I don't care. It's none of my damn business. Too gottverdammt Nosey Nellies in the world as it is.

What kills me about this whole thing is this: folks get themselves all up on a high horse about porn, yet don't seem to be all that incensed about viewing the stuff. If you're watching porn, and you're disgusted at the thought of this woman: congrats, you're part of the damn problem. It's better to be the reason that it's profitable, than getting paid. You'd rather be the entire reason for an industry, make demands upon it, but then look down on the folks who make fodder for your evening wank. Get over it. It's po ...


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Not to mention, a lot of the same people who are currently excoriating and eviscerating this girl were the first in line when Fifty Shades of Grey came out and will be the first in line when the movie drops next year.  Even though what she's doing is probably far more of a turn on than that book could ever hope to be.

/don't know why I didn't have you in a nice shade of green before
//you are now
 
2014-03-19 10:33:14 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Fissile: Her mother is Indian, of the subcontinental variety.  Indian men, who watch loads of online porn, get totally freaked from Indian woman they perceive as "loose".   I'm guessing that's where the death threats are probably coming from.

As for the slut shaming from everyone else, I really don't get it.   I had a friend who was the IT guy at a place I used to work.  Years ago, while he was living in Florida, he was approached by some guys who were producing porn vids.   The porn producers hired my friend to design a porn website for this new intrawebz thingy.

My IT friend became very knowledgeable about the porn biz, and the kind of girls who do porn.  The stereotypes about porn chicks are true....most are drug addicts, alcoholics,  have psychological problems or a combination of all of the above.   It's my understanding that this girl likes to cut on herself.

This girl's life is a train wreck in motion, it's disgusting how so many people are feeding off of this.

For 7 years I dated a guy whose family owned strip bars. I grew up in a Catholic family in rural Florida. It was nothing short of culture shock when my BF went to work for the family bars handling the books.

The women were exactly as you described. I saw fights over who stole whose cocaine from their locker. Every day the girls were trashed at work.. Some of them looked like zombies. I learned a lot about women's studies and so will this young lady.

I went on a double date with my BF and his father and his father's stripper GF. They started talking business and complaining that the girls were always drunk or high, a situation the owners tolerated. His dad made a comment like "I just don't understand why they can't be sober when they work". And I said "because they are trying to forget who they are and where they are."

I knew two people in that business who weren't constantly farked up.. My BF's father's GF, and a chick I met in college. Everyone else was perpetually wasted and their lives were modern tragedies.


Slut-shaming is a helluva drug.

Here's a thought. Maybe strippers and sex-workers wouldn't need to be drunk and/or high all the time if they were treated like any other human being trying to make it in the world.
 
2014-03-19 10:33:16 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I've never understood what the problem with porn is.


Speaking specifically for myself, I don't have a problem with this girl doing porn at all.  Indeed, I looked up one of her videos (educational purposes of course) and I fully support her career in porn.  My problem is with the bullshiat she's peddling along with it.  Read one of the earlier articles about her and how happy and empowered she is by doing porn.  I called bullshiat then (I might try to pull up one of the first Fark.com threads about her) and I'm calling it now.

porn as "empowering," "wonderful" and "how the world should be"; and claimed that she's not worried about how this will affect her career prospects. "I'd like to be a lawyer," she told the creepy guy behind the camera in her first ever scene for the porn site Facial Abuse, moments before a male actor begins choking her.

http://time.com/13095/the-duke-porn-star-isnt-as-empowered-as-she-cl ai ms/

By the way, her current line is she is only doing porn because Duke is so expensive.

PLAYBOY: You wrote that one of the main reasons you did porn was to pay for school and not be saddled with large student loans once you graduated. Would you be doing porn if Duke were free?

KNOX: No. If Duke had given me the proper financial resources, I wouldn't have done porn. They have nobody to blame for the scandal but themselves.


http://playboysfw.kinja.com/meet-belle-knox-the-duke-porn-star-as-yo u- might-have-1535822551/@sarah-hedgecock

She dropped out of Duke and moved to strip in NYC because Duke doesn't have proper financial resources.
 
2014-03-19 10:33:55 AM

lennavan: kroonermanblack: lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.

Like there's nothing self reliant about a man using his arms to do day labor? Or construction, non skilled, work? Or a yoga instructor? Fry cook? Hell, even a salaryman uses his body and isn't particularly well trained or anything.

Porn is actually a skill, as I understand it, even for the women. Don't these shoots which produce an hour often take 12+ to film?

It's not brain surgery, sure. But like most things in life, it involves a willingness to get dirty and use your body.

I understand you want to argue back by showing a double standard about men.  You know there are male porn stars too, right?  So we can actually talk about the actual male equivalent.  And I feel the same way about them which is -- when I think about self reliant people, I don't think porn stars.  When I teach my kids about self-reliance, I'm not going to use being a porn star as a great example.


Actually my point was that, stigma aside, porn actors are simply actors, people making money with their bodies.

So how do you feel about people doing day labor, or other non skilled labor? I say non skilled so is can exclude electricians, plumbers, etc. how about actors?

Personally I don't really care. There's a lot of money to be made in the sex industry, so I don't see it much differently than going off to work in Afghanistan or offshore etc to make a huge amount of money and party hard while you are young.
 
2014-03-19 10:34:30 AM

Frank N Stein: Epic Fap Session: There seems to be a strong correlation between farkers making misogynistic comments in this thread and farkers who loudly and proudly declare their independence from political parties over on the Politics tab.

[img.fark.net image 546x154]

Politics tab. You should go back to that.


Sorry to hit so close to home.
 
2014-03-19 10:34:47 AM

spiderpaz: There's nothing wrong with what she's doing, but I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.


The real problem with her chosen way of going through school is that it translates to stigma in her career. Granted womens studies won't help either, but this will follow her for the rest of her life. My guess is she will burn out in the porn scene and be flipping burgers in 10 years.
 
2014-03-19 10:35:08 AM

spiderpaz: I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.


Why work harder, when you can have a life instead?
 
2014-03-19 10:35:42 AM

lockers: lennavan: This is such a farking joke. You know what, if you want to believe the bullshiat this girl is peddling, you go right ahead. You're right, she's a real self reliant hero, worthy of admiration. Little girls should be taught about how great she is.

You seem concerned.


She's not going to sleep with you dude.
 
2014-03-19 10:35:47 AM

Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).


It wouldalso  explain why internet nerds and geeks tend to be the most misogynist  people around.
 
2014-03-19 10:36:02 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."

Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

She said he apologized and she apparently accepted it, what else are you looking for?


Well, she's pretty much having her entire life turned upside down.  Why not him?

It would certainly be nice to see a follow-up story where that jock dickhead can't get or hold any kind of a job that requires even the slightest inkling of trust.
 
2014-03-19 10:38:20 AM

kroonermanblack: Actually my point was that, stigma aside, porn actors are simply actors, people making money with their bodies.


Heh, I loved that time Sasha Grey was on Tyra Banx's talk show and just PULVERIZED her stupid ass with basically that comment.  "Don't you feel bad about selling your body this way blah blah."  "Uh... did you when you were selling your body?" *Tyra looks like she got her face slapped off of her head*
 
2014-03-19 10:38:23 AM

Clutch2013: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."

Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

She said he apologized and she apparently accepted it, what else are you looking for?

Well, she's pretty much having her entire life turned upside down.


Is she? She's parlaying this in to stripping gigs in NYC where the money is at.

 Why not him?

"He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him." 

It would certainly be nice to see a follow-up story where that jock dickhead can't get or hold any kind of a job that requires even the slightest inkling of trust.

That dude was no jock. Or at least didn't appear to be. And he'll be just fine in the job market.
 
2014-03-19 10:40:31 AM

Frank N Stein: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

I'm inclined to agree with you on this. I mean, if you don't like sluts than don't date one. It's something that literally does not (or should not) matter in your life. It kind of baffles me.


You got guys on Fark who throw the whore label at a female for any excuse, even just for screwing once.
 
2014-03-19 10:40:49 AM
Call me a cynic but I think the whole outing of herself was staged. She has made an absolute name for herself as a star, and her outing not only gave he tons of publicity but it certifies her as a legitimate college girl for those who thrive with that niche. Maybe it got a little out of her control, but I'm convinced this whole damn thing was set up from stage 1.
 
2014-03-19 10:41:03 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

She's a sex addict with daddy issues. Please do not buy into her "New Feminism" bullshiat.

Also as someone who went right from a sheltered home in the 'burbs to sucking cox I think she's more "dependent" than "independent".

I don't wish her any ill will, I just despise it when people lie to themselves because they can't face the truth.


Are you saying this because you know something about her as an individual? Or are you extrapolating from what you know of her background?
 
2014-03-19 10:41:29 AM

kroonermanblack:  Actually my point was that, stigma aside, porn actors are simply actors, people making money with their bodies.

So how do you feel about people doing day labor, or other non skilled labor? I say non skilled so is can exclude electricians, plumbers, etc. how about actors?

Personally I don't really care. There's a lot of money to be made in the sex industry, so I don't see it much differently than going off to work in Afghanistan or offshore etc to make a huge amount of money and party hard while you are young.


I'm not against doing porn.  I love porn.  I'm against thinking of porn stars as great shining beacons of self-reliance and I think this girl is full of shiat.  Let's not pretend the porn industry is all super happy fun time.  See for instance:

Cymbal: Here's a thought. Maybe strippers and sex-workers wouldn't need to be drunk and/or high all the time if they were treated like any other human being trying to make it in the world.


Savanna Samson was interviewed by ABC a few years back and she said she had to get high just to make it through some of the scenes she had to do (multiple guys at the same time, choking, hitting, etc).  So I don't think they get high because other people look down on them.
 
2014-03-19 10:42:20 AM

misanthropologist: Cerebral Ballsy: b0rscht: Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.

Nothing says "I came here to find a husband" like a worthless major.

Tell us about your worthy major and how it was a very serious endeavor that left you no time for dating, which resulted in your single, celibate, mom's basement existence?


I'd rather tell you about my major that's been nothing but fun, filled with travel and excitement as a self-employed independent woman.

I met several women in college who actually used that phrase. I didn't make it up.

I'd like to know what kind of jobs are available out the for Women's Study majors, because I really have no clue.
 
2014-03-19 10:42:52 AM

Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.


So most of the farkers in this thread calling her a slut are women?
 
2014-03-19 10:43:26 AM

ScouserDuck: Call me a cynic but I think the whole outing of herself was staged. She has made an absolute name for herself as a star, and her outing not only gave he tons of publicity but it certifies her as a legitimate college girl for those who thrive with that niche. Maybe it got a little out of her control, but I'm convinced this whole damn thing was set up from stage 1.


If I learned anything in this thread, it's that doesn't make you a cynic, that makes you a woman hating slut shamer who should get off his high horse about judging porn stars.
 
2014-03-19 10:43:26 AM

spiderpaz: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I've never understood what the problem with porn is. Lots of women can't give a decent hummer for love or money, why shouldn't a woman who can and is willing to produce a product people want be able to make a living at it?

You must not have seen her porn ... she's not talented.  She just lays there getting farked.  Female porn stars aren't making money because they're outstanding ... they make money because they are willing to do things that other people would be too ashamed to do.  She completely entitled to her money, and doesn't deserve to be harassed - but I would say the same thing about a prostitute (and she is a prostitute).  There's nothing wrong with what she's doing, but I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.


Whatever makes you feel good, man. But I'm 40 K in the hole for my mfa, she's got no debt at all and likely won't incur any whatever school she goes to. If you would be so kind as to sell your moral high ground and contribute some funds to my student loan debt it'd be mighty generous of you.
 
2014-03-19 10:43:40 AM

fluffy2097: spiderpaz: I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.

Why work harder, when you can have a life instead?



It's a trade off.  It's a high risk high payoff decision.  If you want to get a lot of money quickly, you can make the decision to have sex for money or to break the law and sell drugs.  That doesn't make you more talented, and deserving of praise.  You're making a lot of money because there aren't that many people willing to do it because of the risks involved.  You could die, go to jail, or be marginalized the rest of your life.  People who end up doing these sorts of things tend to be people who find themselves in a tough spot, and just say fark it, and decide to risk it.  That doesn't necessarily make them awful people ... they just gave in to the temptation of easy money and ignored the potential downside.  If these things weren't true there would be a lot more of you farkers making a living selling drugs and having sex for money instead of taking the safe route working 8 hours a day in your cubicle.
 
2014-03-19 10:43:43 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Clutch2013: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."

Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

She said he apologized and she apparently accepted it, what else are you looking for?

Well, she's pretty much having her entire life turned upside down.

Is she? She's parlaying this in to stripping gigs in NYC where the money is at.

 Why not him?

"He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."
It would certainly be nice to see a follow-up story where that jock dickhead can't get or hold any kind of a job that requires even the slightest inkling of trust.

That dude was no jock. Or at least didn't appear to be. And he'll be just fine in the job market.


Yeah, he's got a great future writing listicles for BuzzFeed for $25K/year.
 
2014-03-19 10:44:18 AM

lennavan: Savanna Samson was interviewed by ABC a few years back and she said she had to get high just to make it through some of the scenes she had to do (multiple guys at the same time, choking, hitting, etc). So I don't think they get high because other people look down on them.


I bet that was a puerile thrill for you.
 
2014-03-19 10:44:39 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: I'd like to know what kind of jobs are available out the for Women's Study majors, because I really have no clue.


An undergrad degree to pair up with, say, an MSW and go into counseling.
 
2014-03-19 10:44:40 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: spiderpaz: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I've never understood what the problem with porn is. Lots of women can't give a decent hummer for love or money, why shouldn't a woman who can and is willing to produce a product people want be able to make a living at it?

You must not have seen her porn ... she's not talented.  She just lays there getting farked.  Female porn stars aren't making money because they're outstanding ... they make money because they are willing to do things that other people would be too ashamed to do.  She completely entitled to her money, and doesn't deserve to be harassed - but I would say the same thing about a prostitute (and she is a prostitute).  There's nothing wrong with what she's doing, but I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.

Whatever makes you feel good, man. But I'm 40 K in the hole for my mfa, she's got no debt at all and likely won't incur any whatever school she goes to. If you would be so kind as to sell your moral high ground and contribute some funds to my student loan debt it'd be mighty generous of you.


Don't be a pussy - go get some crack and hit up the high schools so you can be a hero too.
 
2014-03-19 10:44:47 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: I'd like to know what kind of jobs are available out the for Women's Study majors, because I really have no clue.


Teacher for women's studies, and choke porn.
 
2014-03-19 10:46:06 AM

Cymbal: Cerebral Ballsy: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

"Prized resource"? Don't put the pussy on a pedestal.

I have no problem with porn stars. I have a problem with people who don't deal with reality. She's going to crash, and hard.

You'd like that wouldn't you? Make you feel better about all your play-it-safe life choices?


I am the farthest from "play-it-safe" in this thread, trust me. I simply have experience in this area. This industry is filled with women who have been sexually abused and don't know where to turn for help. She's a sex addict, not a beacon for women's independence. I've only heard her story 100 times from women just like her. Some of them eventually clean up, most don't.
 
2014-03-19 10:46:17 AM
I don't wish her any ill will, I just despise it when people lie to themselves because they can't face the truth.

so you're a misanthrope, then? or just another massive hypocrite
 
2014-03-19 10:46:23 AM

lennavan: kroonermanblack:  Actually my point was that, stigma aside, porn actors are simply actors, people making money with their bodies.

So how do you feel about people doing day labor, or other non skilled labor? I say non skilled so is can exclude electricians, plumbers, etc. how about actors?

Personally I don't really care. There's a lot of money to be made in the sex industry, so I don't see it much differently than going off to work in Afghanistan or offshore etc to make a huge amount of money and party hard while you are young.

I'm not against doing porn.  I love porn.  I'm against thinking of porn stars as great shining beacons of self-reliance and I think this girl is full of shiat.  Let's not pretend the porn industry is all super happy fun time.  See for instance:

Cymbal: Here's a thought. Maybe strippers and sex-workers wouldn't need to be drunk and/or high all the time if they were treated like any other human being trying to make it in the world.

Savanna Samson was interviewed by ABC a few years back and she said she had to get high just to make it through some of the scenes she had to do (multiple guys at the same time, choking, hitting, etc).  So I don't think they get high because other people look down on them.


Care to link to that?  Because I remember them interviewing Belladonna, and her not being very happy with how that turned out.  So much so, in fact, that when they contacted her for a followup, she declined.
 
2014-03-19 10:46:29 AM

Latinwolf: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

So most of the farkers in this thread calling her a slut are women?


Nobody has called her a slut in this thread.
 
2014-03-19 10:46:32 AM

ScouserDuck: Call me a cynic but I think the whole outing of herself was staged. She has made an absolute name for herself as a star, and her outing not only gave he tons of publicity but it certifies her as a legitimate college girl for those who thrive with that niche. Maybe it got a little out of her control, but I'm convinced this whole damn thing was set up from stage 1.


Yeah, this feels like the sort of stunt a feminist libertarian would pull off. It's just too convenient and an easy way for a middling to average looks porn newb to make a name for herself amongst the sea of girls who look just like her and disappear after a few years.
 
2014-03-19 10:46:49 AM

lennavan: kroonermanblack:  Actually my point was that, stigma aside, porn actors are simply actors, people making money with their bodies.

So how do you feel about people doing day labor, or other non skilled labor? I say non skilled so is can exclude electricians, plumbers, etc. how about actors?

Personally I don't really care. There's a lot of money to be made in the sex industry, so I don't see it much differently than going off to work in Afghanistan or offshore etc to make a huge amount of money and party hard while you are young.

I'm not against doing porn.  I love porn.  I'm against thinking of porn stars as great shining beacons of self-reliance and I think this girl is full of shiat.  Let's not pretend the porn industry is all super happy fun time.  See for instance:

Cymbal: Here's a thought. Maybe strippers and sex-workers wouldn't need to be drunk and/or high all the time if they were treated like any other human being trying to make it in the world.

Savanna Samson was interviewed by ABC a few years back and she said she had to get high just to make it through some of the scenes she had to do (multiple guys at the same time, choking, hitting, etc).  So I don't think they get high because other people look down on them.


Or maybe she was high and drunk all the time BEFORE she got into porn, and porn is one of the few occupations that will pay a woman who is constantly drunk and high?
 
2014-03-19 10:46:54 AM

Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.


i586.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-19 10:48:43 AM

Latinwolf: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

So most of the farkers in this thread calling her a slut are women?


Possibly. I know Cerebral Ballsy gets her panties twisted over her.
 
2014-03-19 10:49:21 AM

lockers: The real problem with her chosen way of going through school is that it translates to stigma in her career. Granted womens studies won't help either, but this will follow her for the rest of her life. My guess is she will burn out in the porn scene and be flipping burgers in 10 years.


Yep. While it would be nice if this stigma didn't exist, it does, and is likely to be a problem. Though with a women's studies background maybe she could make a difference as a crusader for the societal acceptance of retired sex workers. At least there's probably a book deal to be had there.
 
2014-03-19 10:49:26 AM

hubiestubert: Sgt Otter: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

The dude who originally outed her looked like a Lamda Lamda Lamda from "Revenge of the Nerds."  The owner of a particularly vile porn site also recognized his name as a subscriber.

...that horrible moment when he realized that there was STILL absolutely no way that she'd sleep with him...

How she makes her money, I don't care. It's legal, she's a consenting adult, and in all honesty, I'd rather see prostitution legalized just to get the pimps out of the game, to see men and women engaged in the trade get some legal protection, as well the chance to see them organized--not to mention get the police and others out of the sex trade directly or indirectly with corruption and bribes paid to them--and paying their taxes. The sex industry is huge, and the revenue is just sort of hidden away and laundered and it only makes money for folks who are less than scrupulous to begin with, so let's bring it out into the light, and stop the faux moralizing about it, when every damn town in the nation has its prostitutes. Legalize it already, and get these folks some decent medical care, real protection that doesn't involve pimps, and stringing folks out on drugs to keep them compliant.

As for the "strong woman" motif: I don't care. It's none of my damn business. Too gottverdammt Nosey Nellies in the world as it is.

What kills me about this whole thing is this: folks get themselves all up on a high horse about porn, yet don't seem to be all that incensed about viewing the stuff. If you're watching porn, and you're disgusted at the thought of this woman: congrats, you're part of the damn problem. It's better to be the reason that it's profitable, than getting paid. You'd rather be the entire reason for an industry, make demands upon it, but then look down on the folks who make fodder for your evening wank. Get over it. It's po ...


Nothing more to say here. Nice work.
 
2014-03-19 10:50:04 AM
She's smart enough to get into Duke. She's paying her own way.

What she does for a living doesn't affect the people around her (despite their overwrought concerns).

The people making threats should be prosecuted as criminals, and the fellow who outed her should forever be known as a misogynistic busy body who is immune to the irony of hating the producers of porn when he's an epic consumer of porn.
 
2014-03-19 10:50:11 AM

lennavan: ScouserDuck: Call me a cynic but I think the whole outing of herself was staged. She has made an absolute name for herself as a star, and her outing not only gave he tons of publicity but it certifies her as a legitimate college girl for those who thrive with that niche. Maybe it got a little out of her control, but I'm convinced this whole damn thing was set up from stage 1.

If I learned anything in this thread, it's that doesn't make you a cynic, that makes you a woman hating slut shamer who should get off his high horse about judging porn stars.


But what I said doesn't pass any judgement on her doing porn or her character whatsoever. For all you know I could think that it was a brilliant marketing scheme to separate herself from the rest.
 
2014-03-19 10:50:19 AM

spiderpaz: Nemo's Brother: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

This isn't really a feminist issue, but nice try. This is overly judgmental assholes can't mind their own business. It bothers them that she engages in a profession that they find beneath them and that she isn't repentant about it.

According to Knox, most of the threats and harassment is coming from female students.  But it's fun to watch people try to spin this as men attacking women somehow.


Because that never happens on Fark right?
 
2014-03-19 10:52:14 AM

Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.


This; every time Republicans trot out Palin or Bachmann, I keep chucking at them because they can't see someone's been pulling their strings for years.
 
2014-03-19 10:53:10 AM

lockers: ikanreed: Okay, we've found a threshold of slut-hating that fark won't defend.  That's nice.

lennavan: And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills

It's odd when the politics tab has less counterpoint than main. Maybe you have an opposing view.


Lennavan is just always wrong.  I'd be more worried if he were right about something.
 
2014-03-19 10:53:53 AM

WinoRhino: So why the secret identity? Why the fear of what other people would think? If you're doing this in the shadows are you really doing anything to help unburden anything at all?


(In best Robin Williams voice) "Why did you sneak around and fark two men at the same time? Do things only a handful of depraved sex addicts would do and know the difference between? Because, I don't see a lot of honor in that."


tl;dr:  She's an immature attention whore  whose opinions and philosophies are less than half-baked.
yes, she is 19.
 
2014-03-19 10:54:18 AM

WinoRhino: Pangea: Surely an attractive woman who is comfortable with her sexuality can't also comprehend philosophy.

Most don't try to use it as a prop to scream as loud as they can to the world, "TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!! I'M SMART!"


Have you ever been on Facebook? You just summed up what about 80% of people do on that site.

I don't judge Sasha Gray any more harshly for it. Just my $0.02 obviously.
 
2014-03-19 10:54:19 AM

Clutch2013: lennavan: kroonermanblack:  Actually my point was that, stigma aside, porn actors are simply actors, people making money with their bodies.

So how do you feel about people doing day labor, or other non skilled labor? I say non skilled so is can exclude electricians, plumbers, etc. how about actors?

Personally I don't really care. There's a lot of money to be made in the sex industry, so I don't see it much differently than going off to work in Afghanistan or offshore etc to make a huge amount of money and party hard while you are young.

I'm not against doing porn.  I love porn.  I'm against thinking of porn stars as great shining beacons of self-reliance and I think this girl is full of shiat.  Let's not pretend the porn industry is all super happy fun time.  See for instance:

Cymbal: Here's a thought. Maybe strippers and sex-workers wouldn't need to be drunk and/or high all the time if they were treated like any other human being trying to make it in the world.

Savanna Samson was interviewed by ABC a few years back and she said she had to get high just to make it through some of the scenes she had to do (multiple guys at the same time, choking, hitting, etc).  So I don't think they get high because other people look down on them.

Care to link to that?  Because I remember them interviewing Belladonna, and her not being very happy with how that turned out.  So much so, in fact, that when they contacted her for a followup, she declined.


Well, I did give you enough information to google it and find it yourself.  The videos are still online.

Savanna Samson then discussed how tough it is to face all these moral dilemmas with her 10 year old son, Luchino. She admits to being in a drug-induced state during all her sex scenes

http://www.xtrememagazine.com/2012/04/savanna-samson-on-2020-abc-new s/

If you want better than that, you'll have to watch the videos because I don't see a transcript after 30 seconds of googling it.
 
2014-03-19 10:55:28 AM

spiderpaz: fluffy2097: spiderpaz: I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.

Why work harder, when you can have a life instead?


It's a trade off.  It's a high risk high payoff decision.  If you want to get a lot of money quickly, you can make the decision to have sex for money or to break the law and sell drugs.  That doesn't make you more talented, and deserving of praise.  You're making a lot of money because there aren't that many people willing to do it because of the risks involved.  You could die, go to jail, or be marginalized the rest of your life.  People who end up doing these sorts of things tend to be people who find themselves in a tough spot, and just say fark it, and decide to risk it.  That doesn't necessarily make them awful people ... they just gave in to the temptation of easy money and ignored the potential downside.  If these things weren't true there would be a lot more of you farkers making a living selling drugs and having sex for money instead of taking the safe route working 8 hours a day in your cubicle.


Your amoral attitude about how you make your money doesn't mean that I have one. There are people who don't sell drugs because...drugs are bad, Mmmkay? There are people who don't sell pussy for money because they don't believe in premarital sex or sex outside of marriage. You have no idea why people choose the path that they choose. You just thought it would make you look edgy to say that eveyrone is a cubicle-dweller, thereby insinuating that you're one of the people in the game. Stop fakin'. You ain't about that life.
 
2014-03-19 10:56:09 AM

Cymbal: Cerebral Ballsy: Fissile: Her mother is Indian, of the subcontinental variety.  Indian men, who watch loads of online porn, get totally freaked from Indian woman they perceive as "loose".   I'm guessing that's where the death threats are probably coming from.

As for the slut shaming from everyone else, I really don't get it.   I had a friend who was the IT guy at a place I used to work.  Years ago, while he was living in Florida, he was approached by some guys who were producing porn vids.   The porn producers hired my friend to design a porn website for this new intrawebz thingy.

My IT friend became very knowledgeable about the porn biz, and the kind of girls who do porn.  The stereotypes about porn chicks are true....most are drug addicts, alcoholics,  have psychological problems or a combination of all of the above.   It's my understanding that this girl likes to cut on herself.

This girl's life is a train wreck in motion, it's disgusting how so many people are feeding off of this.

For 7 years I dated a guy whose family owned strip bars. I grew up in a Catholic family in rural Florida. It was nothing short of culture shock when my BF went to work for the family bars handling the books.

The women were exactly as you described. I saw fights over who stole whose cocaine from their locker. Every day the girls were trashed at work.. Some of them looked like zombies. I learned a lot about women's studies and so will this young lady.

I went on a double date with my BF and his father and his father's stripper GF. They started talking business and complaining that the girls were always drunk or high, a situation the owners tolerated. His dad made a comment like "I just don't understand why they can't be sober when they work". And I said "because they are trying to forget who they are and where they are."

I knew two people in that business who weren't constantly farked up.. My BF's father's GF, and a chick I met in college. Everyone else was perpetually wasted and their lives were modern tragedies.

Slut-shaming is a helluva drug.

Here's a thought. Maybe strippers and sex-workers wouldn't need to be drunk and/or high all the time if they were treated like any other human being trying to make it in the world.


They're there because they suffered sexual abuse earlier in life. They are acting out past abuse because it is familiar. Re-enacting past abuse is not a solution so they drug themselves to find relief from the pain.
 
2014-03-19 10:56:58 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Cybernetic: HotWingConspiracy: Apparently she's a cutter. That's empowering too.

Yikes. I haven't seen anything about that in the media reports. If true, it puts a different spin on her career choices.

Sorry for the daily fail link

Personally I think she's an inspiration, a true avatar of feminism.


Now I'm pretty well convinced that this girl has serious issues.
 
2014-03-19 10:59:26 AM
I guarantee that if I went into porn, I'd make tens of dollars.
 
2014-03-19 11:00:22 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Cymbal: Cerebral Ballsy: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

"Prized resource"? Don't put the pussy on a pedestal.

I have no problem with porn stars. I have a problem with people who don't deal with reality. She's going to crash, and hard.

You'd like that wouldn't you? Make you feel better about all your play-it-safe life choices?

I am the farthest from "play-it-safe" in this thread, trust me. I simply have experience in this area. This industry is filled with women who have been sexually abused and don't know where to turn for help. She's a sex addict, not a beacon for women's independence. I've only heard her story 100 times from women just like her. Some of them eventually clean up, most don't.


While it's great you can draw on your vast experience in this area, you really don't know this woman at all. So you are jumping to a lot conclusions, which is what I have a problem with. And I don't think she should be treated like a beacon of women's independence, she should be treated like any other human being. You have showed yourself incapable of doing that though.
 
2014-03-19 11:00:34 AM

MycroftHolmes: lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.

If you are being sarcastic, you are an idiot.  A person utilizing the assets or talents to support themselves, in whatever legal and ethical capacity, is showing self reliance.

And you do not even want to get into the mess of approaching the hypocrisy of a person openly selling sex, when sex is indirectly sold in just about every industry (ever notice how salespeople for male dominated industries happen to be attractive females...how is what they are doing any different than a porn star, except ion a matter of degree).


There is a little difference between Cindy Crawford holding a phallic-shaped can of pepsi and taking a hot load to the face from a number of dicks. While this girls effort may be a form of self-reliance, it wouldn't exactly be modeled as something dependable or stable. That is where degrees of difference might play. The sexual double standard I don't think is the issue here. She thinks it is, the people sending her the hate mail are also caught up in this, but I don't think she or they have thought her cunning plans all the way through.
 
2014-03-19 11:03:40 AM

Chris Ween: I guarantee that if I went into porn, I'd make tens of dollars.


I bet, if you worked hard for years you could make hundreds.
 
2014-03-19 11:03:54 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: spiderpaz: fluffy2097: spiderpaz: I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.

Why work harder, when you can have a life instead?


It's a trade off.  It's a high risk high payoff decision.  If you want to get a lot of money quickly, you can make the decision to have sex for money or to break the law and sell drugs.  That doesn't make you more talented, and deserving of praise.  You're making a lot of money because there aren't that many people willing to do it because of the risks involved.  You could die, go to jail, or be marginalized the rest of your life.  People who end up doing these sorts of things tend to be people who find themselves in a tough spot, and just say fark it, and decide to risk it.  That doesn't necessarily make them awful people ... they just gave in to the temptation of easy money and ignored the potential downside.  If these things weren't true there would be a lot more of you farkers making a living selling drugs and having sex for money instead of taking the safe route working 8 hours a day in your cubicle.

Your amoral attitude about how you make your money doesn't mean that I have one. There are people who don't sell drugs because...drugs are bad, Mmmkay? There are people who don't sell pussy for money because they don't believe in premarital sex or sex outside of marriage. You have no idea why people choose the path that they choose. You just thought it would make you look edgy to say that eveyrone is a cubicle-dweller, thereby insinuating that you're one of the people in the game. Stop fakin'. You ain't about that life.


Not even close.  I'm a software engineer.  I'm just stating a fact that easy money is only easy because there's not a straight up competition for it since 99% of people would look at the risk/reward and decide it wasn't worth it or that it was immoral or shameful.  They're not making that money because they're so outstanding at what they do that they're "out-competing" everyone else at it.  They don't deserve admiration for what they do.  Especially when they say outright that if they could afford to not do it, they wouldn't.  This woman admitted that the only reason she's doing porn is because she was forced to do it financially.  I feel sorry for her.  I wish she didn't have to do something she would rather not do because she can't afford college otherwise.  The hero worship narrative about her story doesn't make sense any more than a story admiring a student paying their tuition selling drugs does.
 
2014-03-19 11:04:39 AM

Cybernetic: Cerebral Ballsy: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

She's a sex addict with daddy issues. Please do not buy into her "New Feminism" bullshiat.

Also as someone who went right from a sheltered home in the 'burbs to sucking cox I think she's more "dependent" than "independent".

I don't wish her any ill will, I just despise it when people lie to themselves because they can't face the truth.

Are you saying this because you know something about her as an individual? Or are you extrapolating from what you know of her background?


I don't know anything about her, I just have been involved in the industry. I dated a guy for years who's family owned strip bars.

The ones that say the things she's saying are the ones that just got into it and realize they like the attention. Then after they're there for a while it gets old, if they've got any kind of brain. Not to mention tour coworkers are batshiat insane sometimes, or messed up addicts. But it's really hard to get out.

Anywhere else she goes will be an income drop. Almost anywhere she goes will be the "ooooo she walked in porno!" Group. And don't even get started with the people who will throw her application in the trash the minute they see her job history because stripping is not a Christian thing to do for a living.

She's happy now, I'm just saying it won't last. And anyone who tries to paint this industry as rosy is lying to you.
 
2014-03-19 11:05:35 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."

Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

She said he apologized and she apparently accepted it, what else are you looking for?


She may have accepted his apology, but I don't. What he did was immature and reprehensible. If anyone deserves to have garbage thrown on them, it's this guy.
 
2014-03-19 11:06:10 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Latinwolf: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

So most of the farkers in this thread calling her a slut are women?

Nobody has called her a slut in this thread.


But there has been plenty of slut shaming as well as calling her an attention whore, a term you note is mostly used against women (and sometimes gay men).
 
2014-03-19 11:06:24 AM
Props to her for coming up with "jobs" with that face, woof.
 
2014-03-19 11:07:13 AM

spiderpaz: DROxINxTHExWIND: spiderpaz: fluffy2097: spiderpaz: I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.

Why work harder, when you can have a life instead?


It's a trade off.  It's a high risk high payoff decision.  If you want to get a lot of money quickly, you can make the decision to have sex for money or to break the law and sell drugs.  That doesn't make you more talented, and deserving of praise.  You're making a lot of money because there aren't that many people willing to do it because of the risks involved.  You could die, go to jail, or be marginalized the rest of your life.  People who end up doing these sorts of things tend to be people who find themselves in a tough spot, and just say fark it, and decide to risk it.  That doesn't necessarily make them awful people ... they just gave in to the temptation of easy money and ignored the potential downside.  If these things weren't true there would be a lot more of you farkers making a living selling drugs and having sex for money instead of taking the safe route working 8 hours a day in your cubicle.

Your amoral attitude about how you make your money doesn't mean that I have one. There are people who don't sell drugs because...drugs are bad, Mmmkay? There are people who don't sell pussy for money because they don't believe in premarital sex or sex outside of marriage. You have no idea why people choose the path that they choose. You just thought it would make you look edgy to say that eveyrone is a cubicle-dweller, thereby insinuating that you're one of the people in the game. Stop fakin'. You ain't about that life.

Not even close.  I'm a software engineer.  I'm just stating a fact that easy money is only easy because there's not a straight up competition for it since 99% of people would look at the risk/reward and decide it wasn't worth it or that it was i ...



Apologies then. I was totally loud and wrong. I get your point.
 
2014-03-19 11:07:33 AM

doubled99: I don't wish her any ill will, I just despise it when people lie to themselves because they can't face the truth.

so you're a misanthrope, then? or just another massive hypocrite


No I'm someone who doesn't like to lie. Does it bother you when I talk about the misfortunes of porn stars? Does than make them seem less like a perfect, willig doll for your fantasy and more like a flawed human you should care about? Sorry for ruining your boner.
 
2014-03-19 11:08:54 AM

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."

Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

She said he apologized and she apparently accepted it, what else are you looking for?

She may have accepted his apology, but I don't. What he did was immature and reprehensible. If anyone deserves to have garbage thrown on them, it's this guy.


If you want to sleep with her then setting up a porn shoot will be a lot more effective than holding grudges against an acquaintance of her's who she doesn't even have a problem with.
 
2014-03-19 11:08:57 AM

ScouserDuck: Call me a cynic but I think the whole outing of herself was staged. She has made an absolute name for herself as a star, and her outing not only gave he tons of publicity but it certifies her as a legitimate college girl for those who thrive with that niche. Maybe it got a little out of her control, but I'm convinced this whole damn thing was set up from stage 1.


You give her way too much credit, and the dweeb that outed her. You need to get your cynicism in check.
 
2014-03-19 11:10:10 AM

lockers: this will follow her for the rest of her life. My guess is she will burn out in the porn scene and be flipping burgers in 10 years.


You may be unfamiliar with "marrying rich."

There are plenty of sleazy, distressed-home-buyer types who would love to have an "ex-porn star" in their garage along with the H1 and the Beamer 6-series.
 
2014-03-19 11:10:40 AM
Evidently, she can't be bothered to pick up a little around the dorm.
http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/belle-knox.jpg?w=633&h=513
Probably SFW.  Tube top & panties
 
2014-03-19 11:10:41 AM

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."

Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

She said he apologized and she apparently accepted it, what else are you looking for?

She may have accepted his apology, but I don't.


Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment. She herself has apparently gotten over it and is now in the process of cashing in on it.

 What he did was immature and reprehensible.

So is the desire to physically attack someone that has done nothing to you over an already reconciled issue with a third party that you don't know.
 
2014-03-19 11:11:56 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Apologies then. I was totally loud and wrong. I get your point.


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2014-03-19 11:12:00 AM

Cymbal: Latinwolf: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

So most of the farkers in this thread calling her a slut are women?

Possibly. I know Cerebral Ballsy gets her panties twisted over her.


Aaaand your true colors show.

/sexist
 
2014-03-19 11:12:13 AM

Clutch2013: It would certainly be nice to see a follow-up story where that jock dickhead can't get or hold any kind of a job that requires even the slightest inkling of trust.


Duh. Jock dickheads go into sales or marketing. Nobody trusts those people anyway.
 
2014-03-19 11:12:32 AM

Pangea: lockers: this will follow her for the rest of her life. My guess is she will burn out in the porn scene and be flipping burgers in 10 years.

You may be unfamiliar with "marrying rich."

There are plenty of sleazy, distressed-home-buyer types who would love to have an "ex-porn star" in their garage along with the H1 and the Beamer 6-series.


Wouldn't that make the women's studies thing that much more of a joke?
 
2014-03-19 11:13:29 AM

Target Builder: Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Knox is putting her money where her mouth is, actually defending the student who outed her porn persona on social media.
"It's not acceptable that he's being harassed. I've actually released kind of a plea for my fans to stop harassing him," she said. "He's a good person who made a mistake. He apologized for it, at the end of the day it's between me and him."

Maybe...but he outed you and made your personal life public. And then he was outed. So whatever happens after that is fair game.

Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

She said he apologized and she apparently accepted it, what else are you looking for?

She may have accepted his apology, but I don't. What he did was immature and reprehensible. If anyone deserves to have garbage thrown on them, it's this guy.

If you want to sleep with her then setting up a porn shoot will be a lot more effective than holding grudges against an acquaintance of her's who she doesn't even have a problem with.


Offering her some cash is probably the easiest way since she's already made the leap to being paid by someone to fark an actor while they jack off.
 
2014-03-19 11:13:36 AM

Latinwolf: HotWingConspiracy: Latinwolf: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

So most of the farkers in this thread calling her a slut are women?

Nobody has called her a slut in this thread.

But there has been plenty of slut shaming as well as calling her an attention whore, a term you note is mostly used against women (and sometimes gay men).


I'm not really seeing it. I just see a lot of rejection of her initial rationale, and blaming Duke for her actions.
 
2014-03-19 11:14:50 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Cymbal: Latinwolf: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

So most of the farkers in this thread calling her a slut are women?

Possibly. I know Cerebral Ballsy gets her panties twisted over her.

Aaaand your true colors show.

/sexist


Why am I sexist for calling you out for slut-shaming? This intrigues me to no end.
 
2014-03-19 11:17:44 AM
Me and HotWIngConspiracy don't agree on much, but he's pretty much spot on. Knox is not a bad personal at all, but she's not the feminist hero you're looking for.
 
2014-03-19 11:21:55 AM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: ScouserDuck: Call me a cynic but I think the whole outing of herself was staged. She has made an absolute name for herself as a star, and her outing not only gave he tons of publicity but it certifies her as a legitimate college girl for those who thrive with that niche. Maybe it got a little out of her control, but I'm convinced this whole damn thing was set up from stage 1.

Yeah, this feels like the sort of stunt a feminist libertarian would pull off. It's just too convenient and an easy way for a middling to average looks porn newb to make a name for herself amongst the sea of girls who look just like her and disappear after a few years.


I like this angle. So she encouraged the guy to out her and he'll be hated for doing it. Sort of like a Messianic/Judas interplay.
 
2014-03-19 11:23:08 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: yes, she is 19.


Yeah, we agree on this. Part of my view is that she has ideas and concepts about life that really aren't fully developed because she simply doesn't understand the world (or herself) as well as she will when she is older. There are extremely few teens in the world that have anything figured out. 

Pangea: Have you ever been on Facebook? You just summed up what about 80% of people do on that site. I don't judge Sasha Gray any more harshly for it. Just my $0.02 obviously.


You're right. People do this in every aspect of life. Here's a great example: Back about 10-12 years ago I got into running. I started slow and worked my way up to doing marathons.I pasted those silly "26.2" stickers on the back of my car for each one I did. I would wear my marathon jackets to the gym and out running errands. I hung the medals on the wall. Looking back I can admit I did that because I thought I was awesome and wanted everyone to know it. And then I convinced a friend of mine to start running with me, and he really took to it. He ended up running 3-5 marathons each year all over the place and he would beat my times by a ton. He never saved his medals, never had the dumb stickers, and never really even talked about it. That's when I realized I was being an annoying douche.

I'm not on facebook because of this very thing. And when I see pics like that one of Sasha Grey holding the philosophy book I get irked. I know part of the reason is because it reminds me that I did the same stupid shiat, but it doesn't mean that it isn't just as stupid when they do it. But I suppose what you say is true and I shouldn't judge them at all for it. After all, no one called me out and I am sure they wanted to. :)
 
2014-03-19 11:23:57 AM

Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.


meh, everyone's got to start somewhere.   if it wasn't for starting off like a retard, i wouldn't have dedicated a decade to studying philosophy.  so, whatever gets someone started, not a big deal.

and everyone name drops in the beginning.  because in the beginning, you think you're going to find an answer. and you think you're special.  you might even think you're original.  sooner or later, you'll appreciate  the dialogue and drop the pretense.
 
2014-03-19 11:25:29 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Cymbal: Latinwolf: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

So most of the farkers in this thread calling her a slut are women?

Possibly. I know Cerebral Ballsy gets her panties twisted over her.

Aaaand your true colors show.

/sexist


That's not sexist to point out, when specifically asked about it, that women do indeed slut shame and also provide a valid example.
 
2014-03-19 11:27:04 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Sorry for ruining your boner.


Best apology ever! Reminds me of my days in college trying to get laid.
 
2014-03-19 11:27:25 AM

WinoRhino: TrainingWheelsNeeded: yes, she is 19.

Yeah, we agree on this. Part of my view is that she has ideas and concepts about life that really aren't fully developed because she simply doesn't understand the world (or herself) as well as she will when she is older. There are extremely few teens in the world that have anything figured out. 

Pangea: Have you ever been on Facebook? You just summed up what about 80% of people do on that site. I don't judge Sasha Gray any more harshly for it. Just my $0.02 obviously.

You're right. People do this in every aspect of life. Here's a great example: Back about 10-12 years ago I got into running. I started slow and worked my way up to doing marathons.I pasted those silly "26.2" stickers on the back of my car for each one I did. I would wear my marathon jackets to the gym and out running errands. I hung the medals on the wall. Looking back I can admit I did that because I thought I was awesome and wanted everyone to know it. And then I convinced a friend of mine to start running with me, and he really took to it. He ended up running 3-5 marathons each year all over the place and he would beat my times by a ton. He never saved his medals, never had the dumb stickers, and never really even talked about it. That's when I realized I was being an annoying douche.

I'm not on facebook because of this very thing. And when I see pics like that one of Sasha Grey holding the philosophy book I get irked. I know part of the reason is because it reminds me that I did the same stupid shiat, but it doesn't mean that it isn't just as stupid when they do it. But I suppose what you say is true and I shouldn't judge them at all for it. After all, no one called me out and I am sure they wanted to. :)


You ever thought about getting one of those 0.0 stickers for your car to balance out your past douchecanoe tendencies? ;)
 
2014-03-19 11:28:17 AM

Target Builder: If you want to sleep with her then setting up a porn shoot will be a lot more effective than holding grudges against an acquaintance of her's who she doesn't even have a problem with.


Who said I want to sleep with her?

HotWingConspiracy: Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment. She herself has apparently gotten over it and is now in the process of cashing in on it.


So is defending that goober.

What he did was immature and reprehensible.

So is the desire to physically attack out someone that has done nothing to you over an already reconciled issue with a third party that you don't barely know and (probably) only recognized from class.


You have your opinions, I have mine. I'm just curious, why did this guy feel the need to brag about reveal his newfound knowledge to anyone? What did he think was going to happen? Is he not aware of the internet? He should have ended the conversation at "Are you Bella Knox?" "Oh cool. I'm a fan. I just wanted to say hi." and stroll away whistling.

What business is it of anyone, what job you do through school?
 
2014-03-19 11:28:36 AM
Unfortunately women who are in porn and who are strippers really are often on drugs and have many other problems.  It's easier to yell "slut shaming!" at somebody than to realize most people wouldn't have a problem with porn if most of the women actually WHERE women who just wanted to be sexual rather than women who have mental problems and drug problems and most often don't really want to be doing it.

Another reason people look down on porn is because they don't make much money. Celebs in Hollywood get mostly naked on the screen kissing each other's bodies and nobody has a problem with it because they get paid a lot. People view it as their job. Even though most don't need the money. But if some random poor person gets mostly naked with somebody else for a more home made type of movie for money .... well that's just trashy.

This girl is either brilliant ... faking being caught and faking death threats ... or else she's crazy ... thinking nobody in college watches porn and that it's a good idea to go for a women's studies degree at Duke.
 
2014-03-19 11:29:19 AM

Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.


Yes because it's impossible to be both smart and a porn star?

http://www.ranker.com/list/the-13-smartest-porn-stars-of-all-time/gr eg

OR are you suggesting that you know her personally and therefore know she's full of shiat? Let me know where that bandwagon you jumped on finally ends up.
 
2014-03-19 11:31:53 AM

Cymbal: You ever thought about getting one of those 0.0 stickers for your car to balance out your past douchecanoe tendencies? ;)


No-- it's balanced out quite well on its own. I'm now over 40 and weigh 35 pounds more than I did back then. The jackets no longer fit. I recently got one of those Blerch Shirts to wear when I go for my slow 10 minute / mile slogs while thinking of my past sins. :)
 
2014-03-19 11:31:59 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Cymbal: Cerebral Ballsy: Fissile: Her mother is Indian, of the subcontinental variety.  Indian men, who watch loads of online porn, get totally freaked from Indian woman they perceive as "loose".   I'm guessing that's where the death threats are probably coming from.

As for the slut shaming from everyone else, I really don't get it.   I had a friend who was the IT guy at a place I used to work.  Years ago, while he was living in Florida, he was approached by some guys who were producing porn vids.   The porn producers hired my friend to design a porn website for this new intrawebz thingy.

My IT friend became very knowledgeable about the porn biz, and the kind of girls who do porn.  The stereotypes about porn chicks are true....most are drug addicts, alcoholics,  have psychological problems or a combination of all of the above.   It's my understanding that this girl likes to cut on herself.

This girl's life is a train wreck in motion, it's disgusting how so many people are feeding off of this.

For 7 years I dated a guy whose family owned strip bars. I grew up in a Catholic family in rural Florida. It was nothing short of culture shock when my BF went to work for the family bars handling the books.

The women were exactly as you described. I saw fights over who stole whose cocaine from their locker. Every day the girls were trashed at work.. Some of them looked like zombies. I learned a lot about women's studies and so will this young lady.

I went on a double date with my BF and his father and his father's stripper GF. They started talking business and complaining that the girls were always drunk or high, a situation the owners tolerated. His dad made a comment like "I just don't understand why they can't be sober when they work". And I said "because they are trying to forget who they are and where they are."

I knew two people in that business who weren't constantly farked up.. My BF's father's GF, and a chick I met in college. Everyone else was perpetu ...


I hear if you keep repeating something, it becomes true! Keep at it. You'll succeed eventually. :)

All politicians come from affluent families.
All scientists are nerds.
People who do manual labor are too stupid to get real jobs.
All doctors are brilliant.
 
2014-03-19 11:32:15 AM

Clint_Torres: Target Builder: If you want to sleep with her then setting up a porn shoot will be a lot more effective than holding grudges against an acquaintance of her's who she doesn't even have a problem with.

Who said I want to sleep with her?

HotWingConspiracy: Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment. She herself has apparently gotten over it and is now in the process of cashing in on it.

So is defending that goober.


You mean like she is doing? At this point your beef is with her.
 
2014-03-19 11:32:17 AM

spiderpaz: Not even close. I'm a software engineer. I'm just stating a fact that easy money is only easy because there's not a straight up competition for it since 99% of people would look at the risk/reward and decide it wasn't worth it or that it was immoral or shameful. They're not making that money because they're so outstanding at what they do that they're "out-competing" everyone else at it. They don't deserve admiration for what they do. Especially when they say outright that if they could afford to not do it, they wouldn't. This woman admitted that the only reason she's doing porn is because she was forced to do it financially. I feel sorry for her. I wish she didn't have to do something she would rather not do because she can't afford college otherwise. The hero worship narrative about her story doesn't make sense any more than a story admiring a student paying their tuition selling drugs does.


This is the single most sensible perspective on this issue that I have seen so far.
 
2014-03-19 11:32:37 AM

AutumnWind: Another reason people look down on porn is because they don't make much money. Celebs in Hollywood get mostly naked on the screen kissing each other's bodies and nobody has a problem with it because they get paid a lot. People view it as their job. Even though most don't need the money. But if some random poor person gets mostly naked with somebody else for a more home made type of movie for money .... well that's just trashy.


Have you ever watched porn?  There are more differences between porn movies and Hollywood movies than just Hollywood pays more.
 
2014-03-19 11:35:03 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: MycroftHolmes: lennavan: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

And there's nothing more self reliant than a woman using her pussy to pay the bills.

If you are being sarcastic, you are an idiot.  A person utilizing the assets or talents to support themselves, in whatever legal and ethical capacity, is showing self reliance.

And you do not even want to get into the mess of approaching the hypocrisy of a person openly selling sex, when sex is indirectly sold in just about every industry (ever notice how salespeople for male dominated industries happen to be attractive females...how is what they are doing any different than a porn star, except ion a matter of degree).

There is a little difference between Cindy Crawford holding a phallic-shaped can of pepsi and taking a hot load to the face from a number of dicks. While this girls effort may be a form of self-reliance, it wouldn't exactly be modeled as something dependable or stable. That is where degrees of difference might play. The sexual double standard I don't think is the issue here. She thinks it is, the people sending her the hate mail are also caught up in this, but I don't think she or they have thought her cunning plans all the way through.


To some people, yes there is a difference.  But why?  Why are strippers looked down upon, but swimsuit models are not.  This is more a of a projection of American hangups on sex on to the person then it is a reflection of the person.  I do acknowledge that sometime the person (porn actress or stripper) is in that profession specifically because of the weird American hangups on sex (in other words, they are drawn to it because they are drawn to things they feel are unhealthy or wrong).  But I see nothing inherently different from a person who sell implied sex and a person who sells sex.
 
2014-03-19 11:35:14 AM

lennavan: There are more differences between porn movies an


I know. I'm just saying the more people get paid the less they are looked down on for what they do.
 
2014-03-19 11:36:29 AM
The guy that outed her should be kicked in the nuts. I still like his tweet about how he thought he could fark her. He would be lucky if she spit in his face after she blew a dude.
 
2014-03-19 11:37:05 AM

Cymbal: Cerebral Ballsy: Cymbal: Latinwolf: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

So most of the farkers in this thread calling her a slut are women?

Possibly. I know Cerebral Ballsy gets her panties twisted over her.

Aaaand your true colors show.

/sexist

Why am I sexist for calling you out for slut-shaming? This intrigues me to no end.


I never slut-shamed her. I don't care about people's sex habits. You keep trying to peg me but you're way off, and I'm getting tired of it.

I'm an atheist, I enjoy sex, I don't do drugs but I may have in the past, I have experience with this topic beyond yours which is probably limited to you jerking it to porno, I'm a liberal and I don't hate her but I will admit I pity her for the tough time she has ahead of her.
 
2014-03-19 11:37:42 AM

spiderpaz: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: spiderpaz: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I've never understood what the problem with porn is. Lots of women can't give a decent hummer for love or money, why shouldn't a woman who can and is willing to produce a product people want be able to make a living at it?

You must not have seen her porn ... she's not talented.  She just lays there getting farked.  Female porn stars aren't making money because they're outstanding ... they make money because they are willing to do things that other people would be too ashamed to do.  She completely entitled to her money, and doesn't deserve to be harassed - but I would say the same thing about a prostitute (and she is a prostitute).  There's nothing wrong with what she's doing, but I have a lot more respect for someone putting themselves through school with a real job that pays shiatty wages than I do for someone that takes the route of drug dealing or prostituting to do the same.

Whatever makes you feel good, man. But I'm 40 K in the hole for my mfa, she's got no debt at all and likely won't incur any whatever school she goes to. If you would be so kind as to sell your moral high ground and contribute some funds to my student loan debt it'd be mighty generous of you.

Don't be a pussy - go get some crack and hit up the high schools so you can be a hero too.


There's a huge gulf between consensual sex between adults on camera and selling illicit substances to children. I'm going to assume you were kidding when you wrote that, and not actually a complete f*cking idiot.
 
2014-03-19 11:37:48 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Target Builder: If you want to sleep with her then setting up a porn shoot will be a lot more effective than holding grudges against an acquaintance of her's who she doesn't even have a problem with.

Who said I want to sleep with her?

HotWingConspiracy: Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment. She herself has apparently gotten over it and is now in the process of cashing in on it.

So is defending that goober.

You mean like she is doing? At this point your beef is with her.


(thinking)

Nope...it's still with him.
 
2014-03-19 11:38:35 AM
Thank goodness there are people on fark willing to tell feminists what jobs they should not have. Thanks for telling it like it is, people! Nothing is quite as empowering for women as having one's life dictated by busy-bodies.

/of course none of you naysayers watch porn then, right? Cause by your own standards that would mean you demean women
 
2014-03-19 11:38:57 AM

lennavan: So I don't think they get high because other people look down on them.


they don't.  it's all about what you can force yourself to do for money.  trust me - the porn gal doing lines of coke in the bathroom between money shots doesn't give a shiat what people think about her.
 
2014-03-19 11:39:00 AM
And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism ?


-probably half of the farkers who post regularly.


Don't be pissed because the slut is smarter than you.
 
2014-03-19 11:39:26 AM

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Target Builder: If you want to sleep with her then setting up a porn shoot will be a lot more effective than holding grudges against an acquaintance of her's who she doesn't even have a problem with.

Who said I want to sleep with her?

HotWingConspiracy: Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment. She herself has apparently gotten over it and is now in the process of cashing in on it.

So is defending that goober.

You mean like she is doing? At this point your beef is with her.

(thinking)

Nope...it's still with him.


Again, bizarre level of investment.

Be sure to let us know when you take the trip to throw trash on a stranger.
 
2014-03-19 11:39:54 AM

spiderpaz: Not even close. I'm a software engineer. I'm just stating a fact that easy money is only easy because there's not a straight up competition for it since 99% of people would look at the risk/reward and decide it wasn't worth it or that it was immoral or shameful. They're not making that money because they're so outstanding at what they do that they're "out-competing" everyone else at it. They don't deserve admiration for what they do. Especially when they say outright that if they could afford to not do it, they wouldn't. This woman admitted that the only reason she's doing porn is because she was forced to do it financially.


Yes, she also says:

doing pornography fulfills me
My experience in porn has been nothing but supportive, exciting, thrilling and empowering
something I absolutely love
shooting pornography brings me unimaginable joy
It is my artistic outlet: my love, my happiness, my home.
have never felt more empowered or happy doing anything else
It is freeing, it is empowering, it is wonderful, it is how the world should be.

http://www.xojane.com/sex/duke-university-freshman-porn-star

So she is only doing this "wonderful, fulfilling, unimaginably joyous activity" because she is being forced to by Duke and the moment she graduates, she's going to quit her "love, happiness and home."  That's the story we are being sold.  And to question her is to be a slut shaming misogynist.
 
2014-03-19 11:40:30 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: b0rscht: Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.

Nothing says "I came here to find a husband" like a worthless major.


Also, you're wrong. The MRS is rarely (almost never) granted to Women's Studies majors. You're thinking Psychology, Sociology, Food and Nutrition Studies, maybe even Kinesiology, those kind of disciplines.
 
2014-03-19 11:40:47 AM
I first discovered what a "Belle Knox" is someplace else, I forget exactly where. In that article, it mentioned that she could have gone to Vanderbilt on scholarship, but opted for Duke instead, because it was more "spiritual". It adds a layer to the whole tragicomedy for me. This is a very young, foolish, naive person. Too bad you can't do porn forever. Too bad it has a way of seriously damaging your later job prospects. Shouldn't be that way. If Sasha Grey wanted to teach, I would have no objections to putting my kid in her class if she was any good at it. Other, stupider, or at least more judgmental people wouldn't see it that way, though, and they're in the majority. Sometimes, what life is really like needs to enter into your calculations when you do things.
 
2014-03-19 11:41:36 AM

MycroftHolmes: But I see nothing inherently different from a person who sell implied sex and a person who sells sex.


there is a difference between a woman that models sexy swimsuits for money, and a woman that gargles sperm on camera for money.

sorry.  there just IS.
 
2014-03-19 11:43:19 AM

lockers: Pangea: lockers: this will follow her for the rest of her life. My guess is she will burn out in the porn scene and be flipping burgers in 10 years.

You may be unfamiliar with "marrying rich."

There are plenty of sleazy, distressed-home-buyer types who would love to have an "ex-porn star" in their garage along with the H1 and the Beamer 6-series.

Wouldn't that make the women's studies thing that much more of a joke?


She's already shown she'll use her god-given gifts to her advantage.

Maybe this is just an extension of that!
 
2014-03-19 11:43:23 AM
Alot fo serious talk here.  All I know is that after the story broke I googled this lady and at least one of her videos was available.  It was much more "clean" than what is generally out there.  I hope she made a royalty.  I won't likely have any more contact with her career.

I don't care how she makes her money to go to school.  It's her business.

From all the publicity, however, seems she could leverage more pay for her film and appearance work.  If so, she earned it in a competitive marketplace.

Really, it would be good for her to return to school after the excitement dies down.  It would seem that porn is not a sustainable profession.  After a couple of years she will likely have to retire.  She needs a fallback profession.
 
2014-03-19 11:44:35 AM
Cerebral Ballsy I don't wish her any ill will, I just despise it when people lie to themselves because they can't face the truth.

so you're a misanthrope, then? or just another massive hypocrite

No I'm someone who doesn't like to lie. Does it bother you when I talk about the misfortunes of porn stars? Does than make them seem less like a perfect, willig doll for your fantasy and more like a flawed human you should care about? Sorry for ruining your boner.


I'm betting you're an expert on that.
 
2014-03-19 11:44:39 AM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

Yes because it's impossible to be both smart and a porn star?

http://www.ranker.com/list/the-13-smartest-porn-stars-of-all-time/gr eg

OR are you suggesting that you know her personally and therefore know she's full of shiat? Let me know where that bandwagon you jumped on finally ends up.


I think he's suggesting that smart or interesting people don't have to prove or show off how smart or interesting they may be. I don't know the context of the picture, maybe she was just answering a fan question, maybe it is photo-shopped (I've seen a lot in my day), but posing with a philosophy book on social media is a pretty empty gesture, a braniac like Sasha Grey should have known better.
 
2014-03-19 11:44:42 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Target Builder: If you want to sleep with her then setting up a porn shoot will be a lot more effective than holding grudges against an acquaintance of her's who she doesn't even have a problem with.

Who said I want to sleep with her?

HotWingConspiracy: Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment. She herself has apparently gotten over it and is now in the process of cashing in on it.

So is defending that goober.

You mean like she is doing? At this point your beef is with her.

(thinking)

Nope...it's still with him.

Again, bizarre level of investment.

Be sure to let us know when you take the trip to throw trash on a stranger.


I will.
 
2014-03-19 11:44:54 AM

Frank N Stein: Rapmaster2000: Frank N Stein: Mr. Eugenides: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

Existentialism for dummies?  I slogged through Being and Nothingness.  Now I'm not sure why, at the time I kept telling myself it was an important part of 20th century philosophy.

I'm not a fan of existentialism (or most things post-modern) in general.

For some reason I thought philosophy in general and existentialism in particular would be cool so I took an exitentialist course in college (and read that particular book Sasha Grey is holding).  Sartre has some decent political/sociological stuff, but in general I found everyone to be building mountains of "truth" out of assertions and unproven facts.  The writing is generally good though.

The only philosophy courses I've taken were on early philosophers (up to Hobbes). Maybe if I took a class on existentialism I'd get a better grasp of it than just some independent readings I've done.


I agree with you above point that people who name drop about all the philosophy books that they have read in an effort to look smart are really just douches.

You might get the irony after a bit.
 
2014-03-19 11:45:39 AM
All these comments and not one link to any of her videos?
 
2014-03-19 11:46:29 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Cymbal: Cerebral Ballsy: Cymbal: Latinwolf: Cymbal: Rapmaster2000: There's a weird, but non insignificant subset of dudes who get their panties in a twist over "sluts" and want to get them by outing their information, threatening them, etc.  There used to be more here, but reddit has cornered that market.

I don't like to use the term "slut-shaming" in general, but regardless that's not what this is.  It's jealousy that she's giving it to everyone but them.  It's trying to get back at her for making them feel that they're not good enough (because they know they aren't good enough).

This is true, but the majority of slut-shaming and the damage from it comes from other chicks. Some women want to keep pussy as scarce a resource as possible, so they can exert more control over their men. They see sluts as direct threats to the value of their prized resource.

So most of the farkers in this thread calling her a slut are women?

Possibly. I know Cerebral Ballsy gets her panties twisted over her.

Aaaand your true colors show.

/sexist

Why am I sexist for calling you out for slut-shaming? This intrigues me to no end.

I never slut-shamed her. I don't care about people's sex habits. You keep trying to peg me but you're way off, and I'm getting tired of it.

I'm an atheist, I enjoy sex, I don't do drugs but I may have in the past, I have experience with this topic beyond yours which is probably limited to you jerking it to porno, I'm a liberal and I don't hate her but I will admit I pity her for the tough time she has ahead of her.


Slut-shaming does not literally mean you called her a slut. It just means you belittle her and her choices for whatever reason you try to justify. And you may know about the sex industry but you don't know this woman personally. So any conclusions you reach about her current or future quality of life are simply gesticulation.
 
2014-03-19 11:47:51 AM
I really don't see what the big deal is, why would people be giving her death threats. When I went to school, we found out some sorority chick was in a porn movie, not sure how to word that since we never know how involved in the industry she was, of course we didn't have you porn and red tube in those days, or Facebook-yeah, I'm not exactly young anymore, but it really wasn't a big deal.
 
2014-03-19 11:48:08 AM
The asshole who outed her should be expelled.
 
2014-03-19 11:48:27 AM

misanthropologist: Cerebral Ballsy: b0rscht: Women's Studies major. I'm speechless.

Nothing says "I came here to find a husband" like a worthless major.

Also, you're wrong. The MRS is rarely (almost never) granted to Women's Studies majors. You're thinking Psychology, Sociology, Food and Nutrition Studies, maybe even Kinesiology, those kind of disciplines.


I was really just making a joke based on what I heard from a few women in college. "I'm only here to meet a husband" was the response I got when I asked someone what career their major was for.
 
2014-03-19 11:49:06 AM

Zizzowop: why would people be giving her death threats.


A false belief in anonymity.
 
2014-03-19 11:49:23 AM

ferretman: All these comments and not one link to any of her videos?


Fine. At the risk of getting banned...here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
 
2014-03-19 11:50:08 AM

lennavan: spiderpaz: Not even close. I'm a software engineer. I'm just stating a fact that easy money is only easy because there's not a straight up competition for it since 99% of people would look at the risk/reward and decide it wasn't worth it or that it was immoral or shameful. They're not making that money because they're so outstanding at what they do that they're "out-competing" everyone else at it. They don't deserve admiration for what they do. Especially when they say outright that if they could afford to not do it, they wouldn't. This woman admitted that the only reason she's doing porn is because she was forced to do it financially.

Yes, she also says:

doing pornography fulfills me
My experience in porn has been nothing but supportive, exciting, thrilling and empowering
something I absolutely love
shooting pornography brings me unimaginable joy
It is my artistic outlet: my love, my happiness, my home.
have never felt more empowered or happy doing anything else
It is freeing, it is empowering, it is wonderful, it is how the world should be.

http://www.xojane.com/sex/duke-university-freshman-porn-star

So she is only doing this "wonderful, fulfilling, unimaginably joyous activity" because she is being forced to by Duke and the moment she graduates, she's going to quit her "love, happiness and home."  That's the story we are being sold.  And to question her is to be a slut shaming misogynist.


YOu understand that young people often act against their upbringing or convention in a way to expand boundaries and experience new things.  People who join the peace corp, or a commune, or become ultra involved in a cause express the exact same sentiments that this person has.  I have no doubt that all of their expressions are sincere.  Is it sustainable, in most cases, no.  But that doesn't make it any less true at this moment.

And she is not the only porn star who has expressed these same emotions.  I am not sure what your issue is that you find youself incapable of giving her the benefit of the doubt.  And yes, it comes off as slut shaming and misogynestic (especially odd for someone who acknowledges watching porn).
 
2014-03-19 11:50:50 AM

lennavan: spiderpaz: Not even close. I'm a software engineer. I'm just stating a fact that easy money is only easy because there's not a straight up competition for it since 99% of people would look at the risk/reward and decide it wasn't worth it or that it was immoral or shameful. They're not making that money because they're so outstanding at what they do that they're "out-competing" everyone else at it. They don't deserve admiration for what they do. Especially when they say outright that if they could afford to not do it, they wouldn't. This woman admitted that the only reason she's doing porn is because she was forced to do it financially.

Yes, she also says:

doing pornography fulfills me
My experience in porn has been nothing but supportive, exciting, thrilling and empowering
something I absolutely love
shooting pornography brings me unimaginable joy
It is my artistic outlet: my love, my happiness, my home.
have never felt more empowered or happy doing anything else
It is freeing, it is empowering, it is wonderful, it is how the world should be.

http://www.xojane.com/sex/duke-university-freshman-porn-star

So she is only doing this "wonderful, fulfilling, unimaginably joyous activity" because she is being forced to by Duke and the moment she graduates, she's going to quit her "love, happiness and home."  That's the story we are being sold.  And to question her is to be a slut shaming misogynist.


You never quit a job or career you enjoyed because of better opportunities? I have but maybe that's just me.

Anyway, maybe you should email or call the girl to tell her how much she dislikes her job and is a broken, pitiful person. I'm sure that would help set het straight. You've already told Fark. While it is noble to not let us suffer the girl's delusions/lies, you can correct her self delusion at the source. Seriously, I bet no one has told her that her job sucks yet and you could provide a warm, fatherly influence that she's apparently lacking.
 
2014-03-19 11:51:20 AM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: I also believe that there are hard-wired psychological tendencies passed through billions of years of evolution that filter differently the sex experience for men and women. That a woman's natural predisposition or instinctual nature toward sex is more family and mentally oriented in her psyche, which makes turning out different sexual partners difficult behavior to reconcile. This may even be a part of a larger human condition, as after a period of loose and free sex I felt unfulfilled and held a low self-esteem, wanted a change, something more stable and real.


You're mistaking cultural values for hard-wired products of biological evolution. It's okay, bioreductivism is pretty hegemonic in American (global?) thought these days. The mistake is that you're ascribing to "nature" what is in reality a product of enculturation into a specific social context, and heading towards extending the argument that what is "natural" is thus also "moral" and "right." If you'd simply shift the basis of your argument to recognize that socially constructed gender roles and stereotypes shape our expectations and experiences of sexual activity, and that in a society that publicly values monogamy and equates sex with enduring romantic love and relationships, you'd have a stronger argument about the mechanism that creates psychological distress among many people who participate in non-normative sexual behavior.
 
2014-03-19 11:51:47 AM

Clint_Torres: ferretman: All these comments and not one link to any of her videos?

Fine. At the risk of getting banned...here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ


Dude, you need label that crap NSFW.

I do like her entusiasm
 
2014-03-19 11:52:54 AM

MycroftHolmes: I agree with you above point that people who name drop about all the philosophy books that they have read in an effort to look smart are really just douches.

You might get the irony after a bit.


I mentioned Hobbes because I wanted to give the reader an idea of where my formal education of the subject ends, which is why I said I don't have a very good grasp on philosophy past his writings. "Hobbes" is just a marker to show where I am in uneducated philosophical territory, which is quite the opposite of an "effort to look smart"

Reading is fundamental.
 
2014-03-19 11:53:03 AM
 
2014-03-19 11:55:22 AM

elysive: You never quit a job or career you enjoyed because of better opportunities? I have but maybe that's just me.


Did you not read what I directly quoted from her?  What possible BETTER opportunity could there be than a job that:

 fulfills me
been nothing but supportive, exciting, thrilling and empowering
something I absolutely love
brings me unimaginable joy
It is my artistic outlet: my love, my happiness, my home.
have never felt more empowered or happy doing anything else
It is freeing, it is empowering, it is wonderful, it is how the world should be.


Oh by the way, it also pays a shiat load of money.  The moment she graduates she's going to quit, the only reason she continues to do it is to pay the bills.  Also, it brings her unimaginable joy?  You're buying that crap?  We have arrived at comedic levels of stupidity here.
 
2014-03-19 11:55:48 AM

lennavan: spiderpaz: Not even close. I'm a software engineer. I'm just stating a fact that easy money is only easy because there's not a straight up competition for it since 99% of people would look at the risk/reward and decide it wasn't worth it or that it was immoral or shameful. They're not making that money because they're so outstanding at what they do that they're "out-competing" everyone else at it. They don't deserve admiration for what they do. Especially when they say outright that if they could afford to not do it, they wouldn't. This woman admitted that the only reason she's doing porn is because she was forced to do it financially.

Yes, she also says:

doing pornography fulfills me
My experience in porn has been nothing but supportive, exciting, thrilling and empowering
something I absolutely love
shooting pornography brings me unimaginable joy
It is my artistic outlet: my love, my happiness, my home.
have never felt more empowered or happy doing anything else
It is freeing, it is empowering, it is wonderful, it is how the world should be.

http://www.xojane.com/sex/duke-university-freshman-porn-star

So she is only doing this "wonderful, fulfilling, unimaginably joyous activity" because she is being forced to by Duke and the moment she graduates, she's going to quit her "love, happiness and home."  That's the story we are being sold.  And to question her is to be a slut shaming misogynist.


You got it.
 
2014-03-19 11:55:52 AM

Clint_Torres: bluenovaman: The asshole who outed her should be expelled.

Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment.


No, you stated you wish to physically assault this person. There's something wrong with you.
 
2014-03-19 11:57:34 AM

Frank N Stein: MycroftHolmes: I agree with you above point that people who name drop about all the philosophy books that they have read in an effort to look smart are really just douches.

You might get the irony after a bit.

I mentioned Hobbes because I wanted to give the reader an idea of where my formal education of the subject ends, which is why I said I don't have a very good grasp on philosophy past his writings. "Hobbes" is just a marker to show where I am in uneducated philosophical territory, which is quite the opposite of an "effort to look smart"

Reading is fundamental.


Got it.  You mentioned a specific topic because you wanted to make sure the reader knew how educated you were on a topic.  You honestly see this as different?  You honestly do not see trying to have a shallow discussion on philosophy ion a Fark thread on porn as anything but narcissistic preening, but doubly amusing by the fact that you started off by condemning the same in someone else.

Think back, why was it important that you let someone know exactly how much you knew about philosophy, particularly in this forum.

I know you will rebut with some well constructed sophistry or smoke screen, but if you were honest with yourself, you would realize the truth.
 
2014-03-19 11:58:58 AM

doubled99: And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism ?


-probably half of the farkers who post regularly.


Don't be pissed because the slut is smarter than you.


When I want to fantasize about a woman smarter than me, my go-to is Danica McKeller..... ooooh Winnie you bad girl!
 
2014-03-19 11:59:20 AM

MycroftHolmes: And she is not the only porn star who has expressed these same emotions.


Yeah, and later they admit they were lying.

MycroftHolmes: I am not sure what your issue is that you find youself incapable of giving her the benefit of the doubt.


I don't understand how you can believe these two things simultaneously:

1) This is job brings her unimaginable joy and pays a great deal of money
2) The moment she doesn't have to do it anymore she's going to quit

Do you at least experience a feeling of discomfort holding those two things to be true?
 
2014-03-19 12:00:17 PM

Cerebral Ballsy: I never slut-shamed her. I don't care about people's sex habits. You keep trying to peg me but you're way off, and I'm getting tired of it.


I'll get accused of White-Knighting for saying this, but it's crazy that people are getting all judgey with you because they think you're being judgey with her and they don't like it.
 
2014-03-19 12:00:48 PM

MycroftHolmes: Frank N Stein: MycroftHolmes: I agree with you above point that people who name drop about all the philosophy books that they have read in an effort to look smart are really just douches.

You might get the irony after a bit.

I mentioned Hobbes because I wanted to give the reader an idea of where my formal education of the subject ends, which is why I said I don't have a very good grasp on philosophy past his writings. "Hobbes" is just a marker to show where I am in uneducated philosophical territory, which is quite the opposite of an "effort to look smart"

Reading is fundamental.

Got it.  You mentioned a specific topic because you wanted to make sure the reader knew how educated you were on a topic.  You honestly see this as different?  You honestly do not see trying to have a shallow discussion on philosophy ion a Fark thread on porn as anything but narcissistic preening, but doubly amusing by the fact that you started off by condemning the same in someone else.

Think back, why was it important that you let someone know exactly how much you knew about philosophy, particularly in this forum.

I know you will rebut with some well constructed sophistry or smoke screen, but if you were honest with yourself, you would realize the truth.


Not for nothing, but he's behind a handle and these threads are throw away pap meant to be forgotten. He's not stunting his philosophy creds for the world to see.
 
2014-03-19 12:00:55 PM

StRalphTheLiar: Not to condone it, but how did she not see this coming? Was she not aware that many college students spend most of their waking hours watching porn online?


One would think that people who spend their time watching something would be okay with it and not threaten the person who makes it with death.  It's a rather bizarre reaction. "I know you're a porn star because I watch porn, so fark you, you need to die because you're a porn star"??

And really, it's her body and her life, and if she wants to do it (which it appears she does) good for her. All this publicity will probably make her more money than that degree would have, anyway.
 
2014-03-19 12:03:05 PM

MycroftHolmes: Think back, why was it important that you let someone know exactly how much you knew about philosophy, particularly in this forum.


Implying.
I was responding to a poster who mentioned an existentialist course he took in college. I in turn responded that I've never taken such a course, and that maybe I should since I don't know the subject well. I don't know why you're getting so upset.
 
2014-03-19 12:03:09 PM

WinoRhino: I'll get accused of White-Knighting for saying this


Why would you worry about such things? No need to hand wring over that.
 
2014-03-19 12:04:09 PM
SquiggsIN:  When I want to fantasize about a woman smarter than me, my go-to is Danica McKeller..... ooooh Winnie you bad girl!

Mine is Elizabeth Warren..... oh baby talk MIDDLE CLASS to me.

/WHAT?
 
2014-03-19 12:04:13 PM
Cerebral Ballsy So she is only doing this "wonderful, fulfilling, unimaginably joyous activity" because she is being forced to by Duke and the moment she graduates, she's going to quit her "love, happiness and home."  That's the story we are being sold.  And to question her is to be a slut shaming misogynist.

You got it.

Ah, so all her claims are just bullshiat to make herself appear normal to the rest of us?

kinda like...

I'm an atheist, I enjoy sex, I don't do drugs but I may have in the past, I have experience with this topic beyond yours which is probably limited to you jerking it to porno, I'm a liberal and I don't hate her but I will admit I pity her for the tough time she has ahead of her.


that's the story you're selling, huh?
 
2014-03-19 12:07:00 PM

lennavan: elysive: You never quit a job or career you enjoyed because of better opportunities? I have but maybe that's just me.

Did you not read what I directly quoted from her?  What possible BETTER opportunity could there be than a job that:

 fulfills me
been nothing but supportive, exciting, thrilling and empowering
something I absolutely love
brings me unimaginable joy
It is my artistic outlet: my love, my happiness, my home.
have never felt more empowered or happy doing anything else
It is freeing, it is empowering, it is wonderful, it is how the world should be.

Oh by the way, it also pays a shiat load of money.  The moment she graduates she's going to quit, the only reason she continues to do it is to pay the bills.  Also, it brings her unimaginable joy?  You're buying that crap?  We have arrived at comedic levels of stupidity here.


Maybe the pay isnt steady or predictable (i heard Jason Bateman talking about those problems in entertaining yesterday in NPR). Maybe she can foresee a time when she's old and crusty and her directors/producers wont sign her. Maybe she finds intellectual pursuits equally fulfilling and wants a change. I gave up one good, fulfilling job because it was energy sucking and I saw a desk job (which paid a little less) as more sustainable.

But clearly this girl needs to answer to you regarding her apparent contradictions.
 
2014-03-19 12:09:28 PM

doubled99: Ah, so all her claims are just bullshiat to make herself appear normal to the rest of us?


Yes because if you accept what she is saying as true that means it has to make sense to you that she will quit her dream job that brings her unimaginable joy the moment she can financially afford to.  That doesn't make any goddamn sense.

doubled99: kinda like...

I'm an atheist, I enjoy sex, I don't do drugs but I may have in the past, I have experience with this topic beyond yours which is probably limited to you jerking it to porno, I'm a liberal and I don't hate her but I will admit I pity her for the tough time she has ahead of her.


that's the story you're selling, huh?


There is nothing in that that doesn't make sense.  The difference is what Cerebral Ballsy posted can possibly be true whereas what Belle Knox is saying cannot possibly be true.
 
2014-03-19 12:09:34 PM

lennavan: I don't understand how you can believe these two things simultaneously:

1) This is job brings her unimaginable joy and pays a great deal of money
2) The moment she doesn't have to do it anymore she's going to quit

Do you at least experience a feeling of discomfort holding those two things to be true?


Can I ask why you feel any emotions about this girl? She isnt forcing you, or your daughters, into a life of porn and stripping. Or is she? Damn.
 
2014-03-19 12:09:58 PM

Clint_Torres: She may have accepted his apology, but I don't. What he did was immature and reprehensible. If anyone deserves to have garbage thrown on them, it's this guy.


Right. The person who reveals another person's dirty secret is the real "reprehensible" criminal.

Get a grip. People can rarely be trusted. Especially not casual, frat-boy acquaintances in college who wish they could have sex with you. Any person who puts their faith in someone with those credentials is the one lacking maturity about relationships.
 
2014-03-19 12:13:30 PM

forgotmydamnusername: I first discovered what a "Belle Knox" is someplace else, I forget exactly where. In that article, it mentioned that she could have gone to Vanderbilt on scholarship, but opted for Duke instead, because it was more "spiritual". It adds a layer to the whole tragicomedy for me. This is a very young, foolish, naive person.


The more I learn about Belle Knox, the more I'm convinced that there is a severe long-term parenting failure in this girl's background. This girls seems not to have gotten much guidance from anyone in making the choices that led her to the point where she had to consider the porn career as an option to pay her tuition.
 
2014-03-19 12:14:52 PM

WinoRhino: I'm not on facebook because of this very thing. And when I see pics like that one of Sasha Grey holding the philosophy book I get irked. I know part of the reason is because it reminds me that I did the same stupid shiat, but it doesn't mean that it isn't just as stupid when they do it. But I suppose what you say is true and I shouldn't judge them at all for it. After all, no one called me out and I am sure they wanted to. :)


This is incredibly amusing to me.

Mostly because I used to love to show-off about stuff I was proud of too, and now I realize how stupid I was. It's one of those cringe-worthy moments made more intense because I can identify with it so much.
 
2014-03-19 12:17:15 PM
Considering all the comments here, how many of you guys (who think this is "empowering"/"great"/"because Jesus") would approve if it were your mother, sister or daughter performing in porn films? The only difference between this woman and a prostitute is that she gets paid more and has it filmed.

What does she do when she turns 40 other than do on the adult bookstore picture singing circuit?
 
2014-03-19 12:19:42 PM
he difference is what Cerebral Ballsy posted can possibly be true whereas what Belle Knox is saying cannot possibly be true.


If you're not very intelligent, I guess.

I happen to love my job, but if I became extremely wealthy,and could retire to the islands, I probably would. In addition, some people are smart enough to realize that their likes and wants might actually change over time.
 
2014-03-19 12:21:34 PM
Jealousy is an ugly thing.
 
2014-03-19 12:24:24 PM

elysive: lennavan: I don't understand how you can believe these two things simultaneously:

1) This is job brings her unimaginable joy and pays a great deal of money
2) The moment she doesn't have to do it anymore she's going to quit

Do you at least experience a feeling of discomfort holding those two things to be true?

Can I ask why you feel any emotions about this girl? She isnt forcing you, or your daughters, into a life of porn and stripping. Or is she? Damn.


Well, this girl with national attention on her is telling the nation in published articles, girls included, that porn has an incorrect stigma about it and it brings her unimaginable joy.  If that's true, by all means more power to her for bringing the truth to light.  It's not true, she's full of shiat, she's only doing porn to pay the bills and she's going to quit the moment she can.

Can I ask why you're defending this girl?  She isn't going to sleep with you.  Or is she?  Damn.
 
2014-03-19 12:26:05 PM

serpent_sky: One would think that people who spend their time watching something would be okay with it and not threaten the person who makes it with death.  It's a rather bizarre reaction


I think it might be too big of a leap to presume the people threatening her life are also the ones who watch the videos.
 
2014-03-19 12:26:42 PM

lennavan: Can I ask why you're defending this girl? She isn't going to sleep with you. Or is she? Damn.


Because she has do no one any harm, while being threatened by idiots.  This applies to any person of any gender or age.
 
2014-03-19 12:27:15 PM

Lee451: Considering all the comments here, how many of you guys (who think this is "empowering"/"great"/"because Jesus") would approve if it were your mother, sister or daughter performing in porn films? The only difference between this woman and a prostitute is that she gets paid more and has it filmed.

What does she do when she turns 40 other than do on the adult bookstore picture singing circuit?


I am a woman and I don't care who does it. As for your family member hypothetical, would I be forced to watch it or pay for it? Then, yea, I still dont care. I also believe that prostitution is unfairly stigmatized and should be legalized/regulated to protect the sex workers.

Even if the women and men involved in these industries are terribly farked up, broken people, that's really not the issue. Those people will always exist and find ways to make money. If you all really cared about those people, you would support more mental health programs and initiatives and you would stop creating demand for the sevices you so deplore.

People should be mentally free to walk away from those industries, but so long as there is demand (and you goddamn well know there will always be demand, even from men who disapprove of their female relatives going into the industries), someone will be willing to supply the services. Rather than pointing fingers and stigmatizing the providers, maybe do something productive to help them...mmmkay?
 
2014-03-19 12:27:33 PM

doubled99: if I became extremely wealthy


This girl is going to quit the moment she graduates from Duke.  Not the moment she becomes extremely wealthy.

doubled99: could retire to the islands


This girl isn't going to quit when she can retire.  She's going to quit the moment she graduates from Duke so she can go into another profession.

doubled99: In addition, some people are smart enough to realize that their likes and wants might actually change over time.


This girl is telling us she would quit RIGHT NOW if Duke would simply give her financial aid.

Also, this job brings her unimaginable joy.
 
2014-03-19 12:28:18 PM
I watched some of her work this morning.  She is young and in good shape.  Cute, but not "OMG!" cute.

The only thing I would say she needs to work on is to be more vocal.  She doesn't say much.  She needs to be a little more vocal and energetic.

The people attacking her are the ones who should have garbage thrown on them.  Hypocrites.
 
2014-03-19 12:28:54 PM

Lee451: Considering all the comments here, how many of you guys (who think this is "empowering"/"great"/"because Jesus") would approve if it were your mother, sister or daughter performing in porn films? The only difference between this woman and a prostitute is that she gets paid more and has it filmed.

What does she do when she turns 40 other than do on the adult bookstore picture singing circuit?


So just because I wouldn't want my female relatives involved in the sex-industry means I can't argue for this woman's freedom of choice? She's an adult, beholden to no one but herself. No one on here is arguing she's a paragon of virtue and feminism, some of us just don't believe in judging others for their life choices. Live and let live, for farks sake.
 
2014-03-19 12:29:04 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: bluenovaman: The asshole who outed her should be expelled.

Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment.

No, you stated you wish to physically assault this person. There's something wrong with you.


I did?

Clint_Torres: Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

Clint_Torres: She may have accepted his apology, but I don't. What he did was immature and reprehensible. If anyone deserves to have garbage thrown on them, it's this guy.

Clint_Torres:
Who said I want to sleep with her?
...
So is defending that goober.
...
You have your opinions, I have mine. I'm just curious, why did this guy feel the need to brag about reveal his newfound knowledge to anyone? What did he think was going to happen? Is he not aware of the internet? He should have ended the conversation at "Are you Bella Knox?" "Oh cool. I'm a fan. I just wanted to say hi." and stroll away whistling.

What business is it of anyone, what job you do through school?


Clint_Torres: (thinking)

Nope...it's still with him.


Clint_Torres:
HotWingConspiracy: Again, bizarre level of investment.

Be sure to let us know when you take the trip to throw trash on a stranger.

I will.

 
2014-03-19 12:29:51 PM
So Duke sucks and swallows.
 
2014-03-19 12:31:51 PM

Cymbal: You ever thought about getting one of those 0.0 stickers for your car to balance out your past douchecanoe tendencies? ;)


I have one of those!!!  :)


(note:  I have never run anywhere.  I may run to escape a fire or something equally dire)


It's not on my car though.  I was going to, because I work with a guy who is what WhinoRhino WAS.  His car is littered with marathon stickers, triathlon stickers, this run, that run, and he will corner anyone available to crow about the run or bike ride he did last weekend.  But I wimped out and never put the passive agressive sticker on my car and parked next to him.  So it hangs on my fridge, a reminder that just because someone else is a douche, I don't need to be.
 
2014-03-19 12:32:27 PM

Lee451: Considering all the comments here, how many of you guys (who think this is "empowering"/"great"/"because Jesus") would approve if it were your mother, sister or daughter performing in porn films? The only difference between this woman and a prostitute is that she gets paid more and has it filmed.

What does she do when she turns 40 other than do on the adult bookstore picture singing circuit?


Well, for one thing, I probably wouldn't be discussing matters like that with them, for awkward reasons.

On another point, they have skills in other departments, so if they wanted to do porn of their own free will, that's their decision. I'm not going to stop them. If it doesn't work out, they have options.

Which is kind of the point here. People are getting on Knox for being naive and setting herself up for a fall, without realizing that she was on the way to having a backup plan before she didn't give the time of day to some random asshole who wouldn't be fit to be Fred Phelps' colostomy bag. Now she's got to put her backup plans on hold and commit to porn full-time because of that random asshole and all the other pricks jumping to his defense.
 
2014-03-19 12:34:10 PM

elysive: lennavan: I don't understand how you can believe these two things simultaneously:

1) This is job brings her unimaginable joy and pays a great deal of money
2) The moment she doesn't have to do it anymore she's going to quit

Do you at least experience a feeling of discomfort holding those two things to be true?

Can I ask why you feel any emotions about this girl? She isnt forcing you, or your daughters, into a life of porn and stripping. Or is she? Damn.


A potentially more appropriate term may be "cognitive dissonance."

You can experience that when reading those two sentences without being emotionally invested in the human being they reference.
 
2014-03-19 12:34:27 PM

ikanreed: Because she has do no one any harm


You mean, other than lying to a nation full of young girls saying that being choked and spit on during porn shoots brings her unimaginable joy?
  

elysive: Maybe the pay isnt steady or predictable (i heard Jason Bateman talking about those problems in entertaining yesterday in NPR). Maybe she can foresee a time when she's old and crusty and her directors/producers wont sign her. Maybe she finds intellectual pursuits equally fulfilling and wants a change. I gave up one good, fulfilling job because it was energy sucking and I saw a desk job (which paid a little less) as more sustainable.


She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.

I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.
 
2014-03-19 12:36:35 PM

Pangea: Clint_Torres: She may have accepted his apology, but I don't. What he did was immature and reprehensible. If anyone deserves to have garbage thrown on them, it's this guy.

Right. The person who reveals another person's dirty secret is the real "reprehensible" criminal.

Get a grip. People can rarely be trusted. Especially not casual, frat-boy acquaintances in college who wish they could have sex with you. Any person who puts their faith in someone with those credentials is the one lacking maturity about relationships.


He approached her about the whole thing. And then he blabbed about to some frat-holes. This wasn't a dating scenario or confessions to a friend. AFAIK.
 
2014-03-19 12:36:43 PM

lennavan: elysive: lennavan: I don't understand how you can believe these two things simultaneously:

1) This is job brings her unimaginable joy and pays a great deal of money
2) The moment she doesn't have to do it anymore she's going to quit

Do you at least experience a feeling of discomfort holding those two things to be true?

Can I ask why you feel any emotions about this girl? She isnt forcing you, or your daughters, into a life of porn and stripping. Or is she? Damn.

Well, this girl with national attention on her is telling the nation in published articles, girls included, that porn has an incorrect stigma about it and it brings her unimaginable joy.  If that's true, by all means more power to her for bringing the truth to light.  It's not true, she's full of shiat, she's only doing porn to pay the bills and she's going to quit the moment she can.

Can I ask why you're defending this girl?  She isn't going to sleep with you.  Or is she?  Damn.


I'm a woman and I never bothered looking at her links. Her choice of sexual partners isnt really my concern...but apparently it's yours?

I'm sorry if America's children are so impressionable that they believe and try to emulate everything they read (lol, what am I saying, today's children cant read!). Go on villifying someone you dont know and calling them a liar. Your behavior reflects more on you than her.

I've never considered doing porn, though I think people should be able to do it without hypocritical ninnies running their mouths like they know shiat. For good or bad I suspect people like you are increasing the national attention she's getting.This girl may be lying or she may truly believe what she's saying. It's neither my business nor concern and doesnt affect my life in the least (well except with these fun Fark threads). :)
 
2014-03-19 12:38:15 PM

Lee451: Considering all the comments here, how many of you guys (who think this is "empowering"/"great"/"because Jesus") would approve if it were your mother, sister or daughter performing in porn films? The only difference between this woman and a prostitute is that she gets paid more and has it filmed.

What does she do when she turns 40 other than do on the adult bookstore picture singing circuit?


There are a number of former female porn stars who went into production, distribution, and talent management in the business. Some of the particularly savvy ones actually are quite successful at it.

If anyone seems a likely candidate for being successful in that endeavor, it's a woman who was smart enough to get accepted at a reasonably prestigious school (even if Duke Sux)
 
2014-03-19 12:42:06 PM

lennavan: I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means. This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career. But she'll quit the moment she can. That makes sense to you, somehow.


Luckily we have you here to manslplain it for all of us
 
2014-03-19 12:42:54 PM

elysive: I'm a woman and I never bothered looking at her links. Her choice of sexual partners isnt really my concern...but apparently it's yours?


Nope.  What she sells to the public in amongst other things, nationally syndicated TV shows is.  Is it alright with you if I criticize what gets broadcast nationally on public airwaves?  Or is that too intrusive of me?

elysive: though I think people should be able to do it without hypocritical ninnies running their mouths like they know shiat.


This is funny because this is exactly what I'm saying.  This girl is a hypocritical, lying ninny running her mouth like she knows shiat.  People should do porn going into it knowing the realities of it.  Brings her unimaginable joy, get out of here with that shiat.
 
2014-03-19 12:44:14 PM

Pangea: elysive: lennavan: I don't understand how you can believe these two things simultaneously:

1) This is job brings her unimaginable joy and pays a great deal of money
2) The moment she doesn't have to do it anymore she's going to quit

Do you at least experience a feeling of discomfort holding those two things to be true?

Can I ask why you feel any emotions about this girl? She isnt forcing you, or your daughters, into a life of porn and stripping. Or is she? Damn.

A potentially more appropriate term may be "cognitive dissonance."

You can experience that when reading those two sentences without being emotionally invested in the human being they reference.


I understand cognitive dissonance, but this was a response to someone who has been arguing passionately in this thread that the girl is in the wrong. Wrong wrong wrong about everything.

She may be lying through her teeth, but why does it matter? I think the larger and more interesting issue is that porn watching assholes would threaten someone due to their involvement in porn.

Yay, America. Proud home of the cognitively dissonant.
 
2014-03-19 12:45:46 PM
She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.
I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.


Why are you so fixated on this triviality? jesus christ, go rub one out, weirdo
 
2014-03-19 12:46:34 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: lennavan: I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means. This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career. But she'll quit the moment she can. That makes sense to you, somehow.

Luckily we have you here to manslplain it for all of us


Today I learned suggesting a girl who cut the word FAT into her thigh might not be unimaginably joyous is "mansplaining."
 
2014-03-19 12:47:41 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: lockers: The real problem with her chosen way of going through school is that it translates to stigma in her career. Granted womens studies won't help either, but this will follow her for the rest of her life. My guess is she will burn out in the porn scene and be flipping burgers in 10 years.

Yep. While it would be nice if this stigma didn't exist, it does, and is likely to be a problem. Though with a women's studies background maybe she could make a difference as a crusader for the societal acceptance of retired sex workers. At least there's probably a book deal to be had there.


I think that is what she wanted to do after her degree go to law school then become an advocate for sex workers IIRC .
 
2014-03-19 12:48:25 PM

lennavan: ikanreed: Because she has do no one any harm

You mean, other than lying to a nation full of young girls saying that being choked and spit on during porn shoots brings her unimaginable joy?
  elysive: Maybe the pay isnt steady or predictable (i heard Jason Bateman talking about those problems in entertaining yesterday in NPR). Maybe she can foresee a time when she's old and crusty and her directors/producers wont sign her. Maybe she finds intellectual pursuits equally fulfilling and wants a change. I gave up one good, fulfilling job because it was energy sucking and I saw a desk job (which paid a little less) as more sustainable.

She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.

I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.


Just keep beating the poor dead horse. Eventually you're agument will matter to someone. Good luck!
 
2014-03-19 12:49:21 PM
I thought this thread would be more fun.  What happened to FARK?  It was a lot more fun back in the old days.
 
2014-03-19 12:51:46 PM

elysive: She may be lying through her teeth, but why does it matter?


Because she is on nationally broadcast TV shows telling people, small girls included, about how joyous her career in porn is while selling a fake sob story about how Duke forced her into porn.

elysive: think the larger and more interesting issue is that porn watching assholes would threaten someone due to their involvement in porn.


It has nothing to do with her involvement in porn and everything to do with the lies she is selling along with it.  She was offered a free ride at Vanderbilt, she chose Duke instead.  Duke did not force her into porn.  She is going to quit the moment she graduates.  If this girl said "I could have gone to Vanderbilt but wanted to go to Duke instead.  I saw I could do porn to pay my bills and graduate debt free, so I did.  So what?"  I would agree with you, she's your wonderful feminist hero.  Instead she tells us how joyous she is while cutting herself.  I don't think she should misportray the life she has so other people don't get the wrong idea of what a career in porn is like.
 
2014-03-19 12:52:57 PM
To all who replied: Points taken.
 
2014-03-19 12:53:49 PM
MycroftHolmes:

To some people, yes there is a difference.  But why?  Why are strippers looked down upon, but swimsuit models are not.  This is more a of a projection of American hangups on sex on to the person then it is a reflection of the person.  I do acknowledge that sometime the person (porn actress or stripper) is in that profession specifically because of the weird American hangups on sex (in other words, they are drawn to it because they are drawn to things they feel are unhealthy or wrong).  But I see nothing inherently different from a person who sell implied sex and a person who sells sex.

If someone is drawn to something they perceive as unhealthy or wrong, the social attitude towards that something doesn't really matter, it's a personal issue. I think this girl believes she is doing it to justify or expose social sexual hang-ups, pay for college, bring attention to the student debt issue, which are all important and need to be discussed but from what I and others have mentioned, the biggest criticism is that this girl may be ignoring some larger personal issues that are affecting her behavior and decision making.

Is pornography as profession something to scorn? certainly not, but is it something to aspire to? probably not. I would say 5% of people can handle a lifestyle like that and that is just a random-out-of-ass number, I don't think it could be too high.

As for how society views women and sex and business. We are still an old, white, patriarchy, and sure repressed some what, but I don't believe the swimsuit model is held to a high esteem socially either? I'm sure there are many other prejudices that make working in that industry hard for women. I certainly don't consider what's-her-name, big tits, funny waist, pretty face, when I think of how our elected leaders might resolve this Ukraine situation, or economic troubles.

And still, even between the two (model - porn star), and maybe this is my hang-up, but taking a load to the face from your boy-friend, spouse, random dude from the bar in the comfort of your living room, even taped for personal viewing pleasure, is a perfectly fine and exciting sex act for some, and in that context probably happening every day, every minute, without anyone batting an eye or thinking about it (except for the girl who has it incoming).

"But I see nothing inherently different from a person who sell implied sex and a person who sells sex."

That's such a general statement. there is nothing inherently different between any two people, sexual or otherwise. By that standard there is no difference between anything. We are all human beings with complex emotions but there are certainly ways in which the same emotional stimulus can manifest itself differently from person to person, and those decisions and subsequent behavior should be socially evaluated, and considered during the decision making process. Because we have to make thousands of decisions a second, we have to prioritize thoughts and values, which are going to differ between everyone you meet. Most decisions are probably made out of stereo-type and prejudice, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's a way to organize tons of information quickly and a 19 year old porn star has one function for me, and that doesn't help me too much in my daily life. That's why there is a difference in the perception. A swim suit model doesn't have much more function but, say it is an outfit I would have bought for the ex-wife or new girlfriend, there is another function that is more useful and might help me get to that facial in the living room.

/ sorry for the wall of text.
 
2014-03-19 12:53:58 PM

rbuzby: I thought this thread would be more fun.  What happened to FARK?  It was a lot more fun back in the old days.


You'll get over it.


:)
 
2014-03-19 12:54:49 PM

Clint_Torres: He approached her about the whole thing. And then he blabbed about to some frat-holes. This wasn't a dating scenario or confessions to a friend. AFAIK.


Reasonable, and possibly true. Although in the case that he recognized her in passing and wasn't told a secret, I feel even less as though he should be held accountable since he was just the first person to verbalize it.

It would be akin to me holding a resentment against someone who recognized I had a horrible drug problem and approached me about it, only to have me run them off.

When he mentioned my problem to other people it wasn't like he was the only one who knew, and it certainly didn't change the behaviors I was doing that caused me embarrassment for having been found out.
 
2014-03-19 12:55:29 PM

lennavan: elysive: I'm a woman and I never bothered looking at her links. Her choice of sexual partners isnt really my concern...but apparently it's yours?

Nope.  What she sells to the public in amongst other things, nationally syndicated TV shows is.  Is it alright with you if I criticize what gets broadcast nationally on public airwaves?  Or is that too intrusive of me?

elysive: though I think people should be able to do it without hypocritical ninnies running their mouths like they know shiat.


Knock yourself out, but dont be surprised if someone calls you a ninny.

This is funny because this is exactly what I'm saying.  This girl is a hypocritical, lying ninny running her mouth like she knows shiat.  People should do porn going into it knowing the realities of it.  Brings her unimaginable joy, get out of here with that shiat.

Oh, so you are the authority on what it's like to star in porn? Forgive me, I didnt know. You should have lead with that.
 
2014-03-19 12:57:39 PM

elysive: Just keep beating the poor dead horse. Eventually you're agument will matter to someone. Good luck!


i.dailymail.co.uk

You think this girl is unimaginably joyous.  Nice.
 
2014-03-19 12:59:49 PM

lennavan: elysive: Just keep beating the poor dead horse. Eventually you're agument will matter to someone. Good luck!



You think this girl is unimaginably joyous.  Nice.


Looks shooped. I can tell, as I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
 
2014-03-19 01:00:20 PM
Good thing she isn't a trainer for the Lacrosse team. Those boys have had enough trouble ..
 
2014-03-19 01:02:52 PM

lennavan: elysive: She may be lying through her teeth, but why does it matter?

Because she is on nationally broadcast TV shows telling people, small girls included, about how joyous her career in porn is while selling a fake sob story about how Duke forced her into porn.

[blah blah, rage and concern]

So what?"  I would agree with you, she's your wonderful feminist hero.  Instead she tells us how joyous she is while cutting herself.  I don't think she should misportray the life she has so other people don't get the wrong idea of what a career in porn is like.


Maybe she's bipolar and that explains both the cutting and the joy. You realize cutting is a symptom of mental illness, right? If I cared more, I'd probably be concerned that she is not getting proper treatment for her illness.

I guess I'll go clutch my pearls and cry for the children instead.

/she's not a hero, but her job does not preclude her from being a feminist
 
2014-03-19 01:04:02 PM

MycroftHolmes: lennavan: spiderpaz: Not even close. I'm a software engineer. I'm just stating a fact that easy money is only easy because there's not a straight up competition for it since 99% of people would look at the risk/reward and decide it wasn't worth it or that it was immoral or shameful. They're not making that money because they're so outstanding at what they do that they're "out-competing" everyone else at it. They don't deserve admiration for what they do. Especially when they say outright that if they could afford to not do it, they wouldn't. This woman admitted that the only reason she's doing porn is because she was forced to do it financially.

Yes, she also says:

doing pornography fulfills me
My experience in porn has been nothing but supportive, exciting, thrilling and empowering
something I absolutely love
shooting pornography brings me unimaginable joy
It is my artistic outlet: my love, my happiness, my home.
have never felt more empowered or happy doing anything else
It is freeing, it is empowering, it is wonderful, it is how the world should be.

http://www.xojane.com/sex/duke-university-freshman-porn-star

So she is only doing this "wonderful, fulfilling, unimaginably joyous activity" because she is being forced to by Duke and the moment she graduates, she's going to quit her "love, happiness and home."  That's the story we are being sold.  And to question her is to be a slut shaming misogynist.

YOu understand that young people often act against their upbringing or convention in a way to expand boundaries and experience new things.  People who join the peace corp, or a commune, or become ultra involved in a cause express the exact same sentiments that this person has.  I have no doubt that all of their expressions are sincere.  Is it sustainable, in most cases, no.  But that doesn't make it any less true at this moment.

And she is not the only porn star who has expressed these same emotions.  I am not sure what your issue is that you find youself incapab ...


building irrigation and sustainable water solutions for third world people is different than getting gang banged on film, and I don't know how you can take her sincerity on faith, unless you know her - you are better than most, I suppose.

But, even if she is genuinely fulfilled by her actions, that's great and wonderful, but she has to accept the social consequences for getting her kicks in such a way that most people consider to be private or intimate activity, even those jacking it online wouldn't share that information with an interview committee, because there are consequences, right or wrong.
 
2014-03-19 01:05:18 PM

lennavan: elysive: Just keep beating the poor dead horse. Eventually you're agument will matter to someone. Good luck!

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x959]

You think this girl is unimaginably joyous.  Nice.


Yeah! Can you post some more unappealing images in thread? I hear that's what people like in porn threads.

/off to shame some cutters and some aspies
 
2014-03-19 01:05:24 PM
Well, that didn't take long. We all know, of course, that she won't be back.
 
2014-03-19 01:09:41 PM

Pangea: Clint_Torres: He approached her about the whole thing. And then he blabbed about to some frat-holes. This wasn't a dating scenario or confessions to a friend. AFAIK.

Reasonable, and possibly true. Although in the case that he recognized her in passing and wasn't told a secret, I feel even less as though he should be held accountable since he was just the first person to verbalize it.

It would be akin to me holding a resentment against someone who recognized I had a horrible drug problem and approached me about it, only to have me run them off.

When he mentioned my problem to other people it wasn't like he was the only one who knew, and it certainly didn't change the behaviors I was doing that caused me embarrassment for having been found out.


I don't know. I don't want to start another argument on here, but other than her, he seems to be the one most responsible for letting the cat out of the bag. I just don't get why he couldn't say anything about it to anyone.
 
2014-03-19 01:13:42 PM

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: bluenovaman: The asshole who outed her should be expelled.

Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment.

No, you stated you wish to physically assault this person. There's something wrong with you.

I did?

Clint_Torres: Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

Clint_Torres: She may have accepted his apology, but I don't. What he did was immature and reprehensible. If anyone deserves to have garbage thrown on them, it's this guy.

Clint_Torres: Who said I want to sleep with her?
...
So is defending that goober.
...
You have your opinions, I have mine. I'm just curious, why did this guy feel the need to brag about reveal his newfound knowledge to anyone? What did he think was going to happen? Is he not aware of the internet? He should have ended the conversation at "Are you Bella Knox?" "Oh cool. I'm a fan. I just wanted to say hi." and stroll away whistling.

What business is it of anyone, what job you do through school?

Clint_Torres: (thinking)

Nope...it's still with him.

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Again, bizarre level of investment.

Be sure to let us know when you take the trip to throw trash on a stranger.

I will.


Apologies, you merely advocated for throwing trash at him, you never said you want to do it personally.

But I'm sure he's plenty broken up that you won't accept the apology that wasn't given to you. The consequences you're not planning will break him eventually.
 
2014-03-19 01:13:49 PM

lennavan: MycroftHolmes: And she is not the only porn star who has expressed these same emotions.

Yeah, and later they admit they were lying.

MycroftHolmes: I am not sure what your issue is that you find youself incapable of giving her the benefit of the doubt.

I don't understand how you can believe these two things simultaneously:

1) This is job brings her unimaginable joy and pays a great deal of money
2) The moment she doesn't have to do it anymore she's going to quit

Do you at least experience a feeling of discomfort holding those two things to be true?


Let's see.  I can love smoking, and it can bring me unimaginable joy.  I can also recognize that there are long term repercussions, and have plans to quit.  I have to ask this honestly, are you really that stupid.

Of course she recognizes that her decision is an unstable one and difficult to sustain.  Of course she recognizes that there are ramifications to being in the sex industry.  That she hasn't experienced any negatives now and has enjoyed her time is not even close to inconsistent with the idea that she knows it is not wise for her long term goals.

This isn't a difficult concept to have figured out.  I have to believe that you were being willfully ignorant to make your misguided point, or that you are just dumb.  Right now, it is a toss up.
 
2014-03-19 01:14:16 PM

Clint_Torres: Pangea: Clint_Torres: He approached her about the whole thing. And then he blabbed about to some frat-holes. This wasn't a dating scenario or confessions to a friend. AFAIK.

Reasonable, and possibly true. Although in the case that he recognized her in passing and wasn't told a secret, I feel even less as though he should be held accountable since he was just the first person to verbalize it.

It would be akin to me holding a resentment against someone who recognized I had a horrible drug problem and approached me about it, only to have me run them off.

When he mentioned my problem to other people it wasn't like he was the only one who knew, and it certainly didn't change the behaviors I was doing that caused me embarrassment for having been found out.

I don't know. I don't want to start another argument on here, but other than her, he seems to be the one most responsible for letting the cat out of the bag. I just don't get why he couldn't say anything about it to anyone.


I hope that makes sense. Estoy cansado y jodido from last night. I'm just going to go back to bed, unless anyone has any objections.
 
2014-03-19 01:16:33 PM

lennavan: elysive: Just keep beating the poor dead horse. Eventually you're agument will matter to someone. Good luck!

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You think this girl is unimaginably joyous.  Nice.


If I understand correctly, you are saying that you are angry with this person because you think she is lying.  And your foundation for this belief is the fact that at a time she claims she was happy with her choice, she also expressed unhappiness.  So, your entire platform is built on the foundation that teenage girl's have static emotions that cannot change.  Is this your stance?
 
2014-03-19 01:18:42 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: bluenovaman: The asshole who outed her should be expelled.

Haha, who the fark are you? This is a bizarre level of investment.

No, you stated you wish to physically assault this person. There's something wrong with you.

I did?

Clint_Torres: Seriously, fark that guy. He should kill himself for what he did. Or at the very least feel really, really bad about it.

Clint_Torres: She may have accepted his apology, but I don't. What he did was immature and reprehensible. If anyone deserves to have garbage thrown on them, it's this guy.

Clint_Torres: Who said I want to sleep with her?
...
So is defending that goober.
...
You have your opinions, I have mine. I'm just curious, why did this guy feel the need to brag about reveal his newfound knowledge to anyone? What did he think was going to happen? Is he not aware of the internet? He should have ended the conversation at "Are you Bella Knox?" "Oh cool. I'm a fan. I just wanted to say hi." and stroll away whistling.

What business is it of anyone, what job you do through school?

Clint_Torres: (thinking)

Nope...it's still with him.

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Again, bizarre level of investment.

Be sure to let us know when you take the trip to throw trash on a stranger.

I will.

Apologies, you merely advocated for throwing trash at him, you never said you want to do it personally.

But I'm sure he's plenty broken up that you won't accept the apology that wasn't given to you. The consequences you're not planning will break him eventually.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BaOvM9jXKg

Are we done? I want to go back to bed, since my lunch date hasn't gotten back to me yet.
 
2014-03-19 01:19:46 PM

misanthropologist: TrainingWheelsNeeded: I also believe that there are hard-wired psychological tendencies passed through billions of years of evolution that filter differently the sex experience for men and women. That a woman's natural predisposition or instinctual nature toward sex is more family and mentally oriented in her psyche, which makes turning out different sexual partners difficult behavior to reconcile. This may even be a part of a larger human condition, as after a period of loose and free sex I felt unfulfilled and held a low self-esteem, wanted a change, something more stable and real.

You're mistaking cultural values for hard-wired products of biological evolution. It's okay, bioreductivism is pretty hegemonic in American (global?) thought these days. The mistake is that you're ascribing to "nature" what is in reality a product of enculturation into a specific social context, and heading towards extending the argument that what is "natural" is thus also "moral" and "right." If you'd simply shift the basis of your argument to recognize that socially constructed gender roles and stereotypes shape our expectations and experiences of sexual activity, and that in a society that publicly values monogamy and equates sex with enduring romantic love and relationships, you'd have a stronger argument about the mechanism that creates psychological distress among many people who participate in non-normative sexual behavior.


you think so? I see your point and to an extent agree but don't believe that enculturation and cave-man genetics are mutually exclusive. That a woman's need to care for family is a real biological need that clashes with these more progressive attitudes about sex. Man's desire to "provide" for the family, I think, is more socially instituted than a woman's need to care.

but I do sense the danger of a shifting definition for what I clause as, "natural".
 
2014-03-19 01:21:18 PM

lennavan: MycroftHolmes: And she is not the only porn star who has expressed these same emotions.

Yeah, and later they admit they were lying.


Every single one of them?  There have been no porn stars that have been consistent in the support of the industry?

Now you are just making crap up.
 
2014-03-19 01:23:04 PM

MycroftHolmes: That she hasn't experienced any negatives now and has enjoyed her time is not even close to inconsistent with the idea that she knows it is not wise for her long term goals.


If she knew that she wouldn't be doing it in the first place. It's not like a future prospective employer that might take issue with this is going parse just how many scenes she filmed and have some over/under number in mind that would make it ok with them.

Plus with the doubling down with stripping and all thus adding another line in her sex industry resume and doing press about it on top of it all, I'm not sure she's entirely cognizant of impacts on her stated long term goals.
 
2014-03-19 01:23:57 PM

Clint_Torres: Are we done? I want to go back to bed, since my lunch date hasn't gotten back to me yet.


Did you throw trash at them?
 
2014-03-19 01:30:01 PM

HotWingConspiracy: MycroftHolmes: That she hasn't experienced any negatives now and has enjoyed her time is not even close to inconsistent with the idea that she knows it is not wise for her long term goals.

If she knew that she wouldn't be doing it in the first place. It's not like a future prospective employer that might take issue with this is going parse just how many scenes she filmed and have some over/under number in mind that would make it ok with them.

Plus with the doubling down with stripping and all thus adding another line in her sex industry resume and doing press about it on top of it all, I'm not sure she's entirely cognizant of impacts on her stated long term goals.


So, if her long term goal is financial stability and a long term career, you think she wouldn't be able to figure out that poirn stars and strippers only make good money into their early or mid twenties at least?  There are a lot of reasons why a long term career is not viable, not all of the, mean or even imply that she isn't happy with her current condition.
 
2014-03-19 01:30:55 PM

HotWingConspiracy: If she knew that she wouldn't be doing it in the first place.


Teens don't work that way. Hell most adults don't work that way.
 
2014-03-19 01:32:46 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Are we done? I want to go back to bed, since my lunch date hasn't gotten back to me yet.

Did you throw trash at them?


I would...if they revealed any of my secrets. ;)

No, I didn't see their text and took too long to respond. I fear that window has been closed.
 
2014-03-19 01:33:41 PM

HotWingConspiracy: MycroftHolmes: That she hasn't experienced any negatives now and has enjoyed her time is not even close to inconsistent with the idea that she knows it is not wise for her long term goals.

If she knew that she wouldn't be doing it in the first place. It's not like a future prospective employer that might take issue with this is going parse just how many scenes she filmed and have some over/under number in mind that would make it ok with them.

Plus with the doubling down with stripping and all thus adding another line in her sex industry resume and doing press about it on top of it all, I'm not sure she's entirely cognizant of impacts on her stated long term goals.


...and yet, there are folks like Nina Hartley and Candye Kane who flout the curve.

And there are plenty of failed Women's Studies grads who fail miserably to make use of their degree every year WITHOUT the stain of porn in their career. There are plenty of business majors who wind up failing miserably without frat stunts staining their repuatation. Failure is always an option. Blaming those failures on a single portion of a decision tree, as opposed to a nest of reasons, that is simplistic to a fair degree.

What a lot of folks are saying, is that porn or even nude modeling doesn't mean instafailure. Nor does a tattoo mean that you can never get a decent job. It's NOT your decision perhaps, and indeed, she may not manage to pull herself into a grand career, but that isn't just the fault of the decision to do porn. Heck, one my kids from the Iron Horse paid for her schooling thanks to nude modeling and porn shoots. She has a decent real estate career now, and banked her money fair well, and scads of basement dwellers wanking to her shoots paid for her schooling. The issue that I have with this whole "outrage" is that folks are judging her, while I'm betting that they've got scads of nudes, fairly hardcore mpgs, and more squirreled away on their hard drives, and are moralizing on her choices, when they support the industry that she chose to help her get through school. It's fine to consume the product, just not make it. It's a way of distancing themselves from the "degradation" while sponsoring it.

And that is just blind hypocrisy.
 
2014-03-19 01:33:45 PM

MycroftHolmes: Let's see. I can love smoking, and it can bring me unimaginable joy. I can also recognize that there are long term repercussions, and have plans to quit. I have to ask this honestly, are you really that stupid.


She is not acknowledging the long term repercussions.  The only things she has to say about doing porn are wonderful things about how it fulfills her, empowers her and brings her unimaginable joy.

Are you really this stupid?
 
2014-03-19 01:33:55 PM

doubled99: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.
I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.

Why are you so fixated on this triviality? jesus christ, go rub one out, weirdo


it's a legitimate point about this girl's entire statement. It's flawed.
 
2014-03-19 01:33:55 PM

MycroftHolmes: HotWingConspiracy: MycroftHolmes: That she hasn't experienced any negatives now and has enjoyed her time is not even close to inconsistent with the idea that she knows it is not wise for her long term goals.

If she knew that she wouldn't be doing it in the first place. It's not like a future prospective employer that might take issue with this is going parse just how many scenes she filmed and have some over/under number in mind that would make it ok with them.

Plus with the doubling down with stripping and all thus adding another line in her sex industry resume and doing press about it on top of it all, I'm not sure she's entirely cognizant of impacts on her stated long term goals.

So, if her long term goal is financial stability and a long term career, you think she wouldn't be able to figure out that poirn stars and strippers only make good money into their early or mid twenties at least?  There are a lot of reasons why a long term career is not viable, not all of the, mean or even imply that she isn't happy with her current condition.


Can you at least allow that her happiness with her condition may be due to some serious ignorance on her part? It is bliss, after all.
 
2014-03-19 01:34:09 PM

Clint_Torres: HotWingConspiracy: Clint_Torres: Are we done? I want to go back to bed, since my lunch date hasn't gotten back to me yet.

Did you throw trash at them?

I would...if they revealed any of my secrets. ;)

No, I didn't see their text and took too long to respond. I fear that window has now been closed.


FTFM
 
2014-03-19 01:36:53 PM

MycroftHolmes: If I understand correctly, you are saying that you are angry with this person because you think she is lying. And your foundation for this belief is the fact that at a time she claims she was happy with her choice, she also expressed unhappiness. So, your entire platform is built on the foundation that teenage girl's have static emotions that cannot change. Is this your stance?


Her emotions are not changing, she isn't happy.  This simply cannot be news to you.
 
2014-03-19 01:40:05 PM

doubled99: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.
I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.

Why are you so fixated on this triviality? jesus christ, go rub one out, weirdo


Because I think sending the message that porn brings her unimaginable joy when reality is the opposite does a great disservice to girls considering going into porn.

Why are you so fixated on defending her?  She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.
 
2014-03-19 01:42:11 PM

Lee451: The only difference between this woman and a prostitute is that she gets paid more and has it filmed.


You make a good point.

Prostitution should be legal.
 
2014-03-19 01:43:49 PM

frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off the college at this point.


FIFY
 
2014-03-19 01:44:54 PM

lennavan: doubled99: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.
I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.

Why are you so fixated on this triviality? jesus christ, go rub one out, weirdo

Because I think sending the message that porn brings her unimaginable joy when reality is the opposite does a great disservice to girls considering going into porn.

Why are you so fixated on defending her?  She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.


Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.
 
2014-03-19 01:45:15 PM
the problem here, as I see it, is that there are quite a few of you that seriously think that porn is a great occupation for women.  don't get me wrong, I love me some porn, but even I know that it is a terrible idea to make it, and the women that DO make it usually end up damaged.

No, porn does not bring this chick unimaginable joy.  If it did she wouldn't even BOTHER going to school.

No, she isn't going to stop doing porn because she graduates Duke.  SHE IS NEVER GOING TO GRADUATE.

Even if by some miracle she DOES graduate, what career choices outside porn does she have?  Not many.

Fact is that most porn starlets are NOT Asia Carrera.  Most end up broken and used and hooked on drugs because sex work is dehumanizing, degrading, demeaning and empty.

So she can keep porning, and more power to her, but seriously - don't tell us it's raining while you piss down our backs.
 
2014-03-19 01:50:54 PM

lennavan: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.


The sensible explanation: she's trying to pressure Duke into giving her money, e.g.: "Does the 'Duke Porn Star' media circus embarrass you? Drop a tuition waiver on me and I'll stay away from cameras until I graduate."
 
2014-03-19 01:51:53 PM

hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.


Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.
 
2014-03-19 01:55:18 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: lennavan: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.

The sensible explanation: she's trying to pressure Duke into giving her money, e.g.: "Does the 'Duke Porn Star' media circus embarrass you? Drop a tuition waiver on me and I'll stay away from cameras until I graduate."


I don't know that I would immediately jump to extortion.
 
2014-03-19 01:55:58 PM

verbaltoxin: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Why not both? The world needs more sex-positive feminists, and people like to watch attractive women f*ck. It's win-win for everybody.


The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline. A lot of women don't identify as sex-positive, or identify as sex-negative, because they don't want to end up in a situation where a man is using that as an excuse to pressure them into sex. When almost anything is seen as justification for pressuring someone or coercing someone into sex--I've seen men use 'I didn't rape you once when I could have, therefore you owe me' or 'I wasn't an asshole to you, therefore you owe me'--you tend to want as little as possible for someone to latch onto, especially since there's a lot of 'pick up artists' and other men who are good at hiding what they think until you're in a situation where it's not easy to escape.

/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender.
 
2014-03-19 02:01:07 PM

lennavan: She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.


Your really invested in this. Slut shaming her won't get you into heaven.
 
2014-03-19 02:01:36 PM

lennavan: doubled99: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.
I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.

Why are you so fixated on this triviality? jesus christ, go rub one out, weirdo

Because I think sending the message that porn brings her unimaginable joy when reality is the opposite does a great disservice to girls considering going into porn.

Why are you so fixated on defending her?  She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.


Can you tell us your experiences in the porn industry that contradict hers?
 
2014-03-19 02:09:40 PM

lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.


No. I just don't give a rat's ass what she does. It's none of my damn business. I'm not f*cking her. I'm not watching this crap, because it means absolutely zero to me. I don't care what she does. But I am sort of amused by the moralists who've leaped to complain bitterly, especially on a site that has a big ass Boobies tag on it...
 
2014-03-19 02:12:38 PM

hubiestubert: lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.

No. I just don't give a rat's ass what she does. It's none of my damn business. I'm not f*cking her. I'm not watching this crap, because it means absolutely zero to me. I don't care what she does. But I am sort of amused by the moralists who've leaped to complain bitterly, especially on a site that has a big ass Boobies tag on it...


Lennavan is not a moralist.  He has acknowledged that he supports the porn industry.  He just can't imagine that anyone in the porn industry could be possibly happy with the decision.

In essence, he is knowingly supporting an industry that he feels destroys lives.  So I would say that exckudes him from being a moralist.  Pretty much the opposite.

He does guise his hypocrisy behind a nice 'won't womeone think of the children' facade, though
 
2014-03-19 02:21:04 PM

hubiestubert: There are plenty of business majors who wind up failing miserably without frat stunts staining their repuatation.


Are we talking about that butt-chugging guy here? Because Google has got that guys number forever. He OWNS butt-chugging.
 
2014-03-19 02:22:38 PM
Look, I consume porn because it makes me feel good in two ways:

1.  Orgasms, obviously.

2.  The knowledge that, even though I just furiously stroked myself to completion while watching some young girl have every hole creamed and reamed, at least I'm still better than her.

This hussy needs to stop trying to take that away from me.  I won't stand for it!
 
2014-03-19 02:31:48 PM

frepnog: the problem here, as I see it, is that there are quite a few of you that seriously think that porn is a great occupation for women.  don't get me wrong, I love me some porn, but even I know that it is a terrible idea to make it, and the women that DO make it usually end up damaged.

No, porn does not bring this chick unimaginable joy.  If it did she wouldn't even BOTHER going to school.

No, she isn't going to stop doing porn because she graduates Duke.  SHE IS NEVER GOING TO GRADUATE.

Even if by some miracle she DOES graduate, what career choices outside porn does she have?  Not many.

Fact is that most porn starlets are NOT Asia Carrera.  Most end up broken and used and hooked on drugs because sex work is dehumanizing, degrading, demeaning and empty.

So she can keep porning, and more power to her, but seriously - don't tell us it's raining while you piss down our backs.


I'm glad you have this figured out for her.  There's no way she can plan her own life.
 
2014-03-19 02:35:59 PM

lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.


Yeah, I'm going to guess that all of that came after the attention/backlash over her initial blog post...which she likely made because she wanted to get ahead and control her image before someone else got to dictate it...which was probably starting to happen after the aforementioned random asshole outed her to her entire farking university.

MycroftHolmes: hubiestubert: lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.

No. I just don't give a rat's ass what she does. It's none of my damn business. I'm not f*cking her. I'm not watching this crap, because it means absolutely zero to me. I don't care what she does. But I am sort of amused by the moralists who've leaped to complain bitterly, especially on a site that has a big ass Boobies tag on it...

Lennavan is not a moralist.  He has acknowledged that he supports the porn industry.  He just can't imagine that anyone in the porn industry could be possibly happy with the decision.

In essence, he is knowingly supporting an industry that he feels destroys lives.  So I would say that exckudes him from being a moralist.  Pretty much the opposite.

He does guise his hypocrisy behind a nice 'won't womeone think of the children' facade, though


fotos.starmedia.com

None of this surprises me.
 
2014-03-19 02:38:02 PM

PsiChick: verbaltoxin: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Why not both? The world needs more sex-positive feminists, and people like to watch attractive women f*ck. It's win-win for everybody.

The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline. A lot of women don't identify as sex-positive, or identify as sex-negative, because they don't want to end up in a situation where a man is using that as an excuse to pressure them into sex. When almost anything is seen as justification for pressuring someone or coercing someone into sex--I've seen men use 'I didn't rape you once when I could have, therefore you owe me' or 'I wasn't an asshole to you, therefore you owe me'--you tend to want as little as possible for someone to latch onto, especially since there's a lot of 'pick up artists' and other men who are good at hiding what they think until you're in a situation where it's not easy to escape.

/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender.


I get you, but sex negative is not the way to go, and has done more to encircle off feminism and make it an "other," rather than make people understand that feminism advocates things which are good for everybody.

Feminists complain of "straw feminism" and I think they're right. Their critics largely don't understand what feminism is, but how do you bridge that gap when your go-to position says stuff like,

"/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender."

I mean, why the hell would I, as a man, call myself feminist or support feminism if the other feminists insinuate I am or could be a criminal because of my gender? How is generalizing my gender as rape-mongers any better than my gender pegging yours as baby-makers? How does this improve anything, and do nothing but tell other confirmed minds what they already want to hear?
 
2014-03-19 02:40:07 PM

Pangea: hubiestubert: There are plenty of business majors who wind up failing miserably without frat stunts staining their repuatation.

Are we talking about that butt-chugging guy here? Because Google has got that guys number forever. He OWNS butt-chugging.


Hopefully Google can remind everyone he convened a press conference to call "no homo". Seriously.
 
2014-03-19 02:41:31 PM
I went to college with a retired porn star, Alicia Alighatti. She was actually a really, REALLY cool girl. And incredibly intelligent. She did it to make money for school, and she now owns a ranch and is married to a cool guy. She didn't have crazy issues beyond wanting to make money (she worked 2 jobs while being a full time student). She was, in fact, an empowered woman who felt she had a resource she could leverage to make money in a way she felt was fun (and ultimately temporary). The worst part about it was the crap other people put her through over it.

I also saw her drop a douchebag fratboy in a single punch because he was harassing her about her past we left the bar one night. You don't mess with farm girls. I'm glad she's moved beyond it all and has a nice happy marriage and pretty much everything she wanted. She deserved it.
 
2014-03-19 02:44:31 PM

scubamage: I went to college with a retired porn star, Alicia Alighatti. She was actually a really, REALLY cool girl. And incredibly intelligent. She did it to make money for school, and she now owns a ranch and is married to a cool guy. She didn't have crazy issues beyond wanting to make money (she worked 2 jobs while being a full time student). She was, in fact, an empowered woman who felt she had a resource she could leverage to make money in a way she felt was fun (and ultimately temporary). The worst part about it was the crap other people put her through over it.

I also saw her drop a douchebag fratboy in a single punch because he was harassing her about her past we left the bar one night. You don't mess with farm girls. I'm glad she's moved beyond it all and has a nice happy marriage and pretty much everything she wanted. She deserved it.


Now THAT is a cool story, bro.
 
2014-03-19 02:45:59 PM

MycroftHolmes: hubiestubert: lennavan: hubiestubert: Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.

Is that why she gave interviews with national media outlets?  Is that why she went on the View?  Is that why she interviewed with Playboy?  Is that why she interviewed with TMZ?  Is that why she offered the entire Duke Basketball team a sex toy plastic pocket version of her vagina if they win the tournament?  Because it's none of our damn business?

No one gave a shiat until she did her very best to drum up more attention for herself.  You gotta be kidding me with this shiat.

No. I just don't give a rat's ass what she does. It's none of my damn business. I'm not f*cking her. I'm not watching this crap, because it means absolutely zero to me. I don't care what she does. But I am sort of amused by the moralists who've leaped to complain bitterly, especially on a site that has a big ass Boobies tag on it...

Lennavan is not a moralist.  He has acknowledged that he supports the porn industry.  He just can't imagine that anyone in the porn industry could be possibly happy with the decision.

In essence, he is knowingly supporting an industry that he feels destroys lives.  So I would say that exckudes him from being a moralist.  Pretty much the opposite.

He does guise his hypocrisy behind a nice 'won't womeone think of the children' facade, though


You seem to be the one elevating the discussion from the individual to the industry. From what I can tell, an maybe I missed a post here and there, but Lennavan seems to be talking about the inconsistencies between this one girl's actions and words.

I am more amazed that you are so willing to accept a 19 year old girl's worldview on sex, the sex industry, education, student debt, self-reliance, feminism et al,  because she says she is the most fulfilled she has ever been in her entire life, when her actions and a rather reliable stereo-type of the business say otherwise. I hope she's happy, I hope she can learn something valuable from this experience, and I hope she can even cash in but I'm not looking for her to be the social trail-blazer she imagines herself to be.

Only time will tell.
 
2014-03-19 02:48:20 PM

verbaltoxin: PsiChick: verbaltoxin: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Why not both? The world needs more sex-positive feminists, and people like to watch attractive women f*ck. It's win-win for everybody.

The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline. A lot of women don't identify as sex-positive, or identify as sex-negative, because they don't want to end up in a situation where a man is using that as an excuse to pressure them into sex. When almost anything is seen as justification for pressuring someone or coercing someone into sex--I've seen men use 'I didn't rape you once when I could have, therefore you owe me' or 'I wasn't an asshole to you, therefore you owe me'--you tend to want as little as possible for someone to latch onto, especially since there's a lot of 'pick up artists' and other men who are good at hiding what they think until you're in a situation where it's not easy to escape.

/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender.

I get you, but sex negative is not the way to go, and has done more to encircle off feminism and make it an "other," rather than make people understand that feminism advocates things which are good for everybody.

Feminists complain of "straw feminism" and I think they're right. Their critics largely don't understand what feminism is, but how do you bridge that gap when your go-to position says stuff like,

"/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender."

I mean, why the hell would I, as a man, call myself feminist or support feminism if the other feminists insinuate I am or could be a criminal because of my gender? How is generalizing my gender as rape-mongers any better than my gender pegging yours as baby-makers? How does this improve anythin ...


Because the  reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to  not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the  only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.
 
2014-03-19 02:48:36 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Cybernetic: HotWingConspiracy: Apparently she's a cutter. That's empowering too.

Yikes. I haven't seen anything about that in the media reports. If true, it puts a different spin on her career choices.

Sorry for the daily fail link

Personally I think she's an inspiration, a true avatar of feminism.


static.squarespace.com
 
2014-03-19 02:48:45 PM

verbaltoxin: Feminists complain of "straw feminism" and I think they're right. Their critics largely don't understand what feminism is, but how do you bridge that gap when your go-to position says stuff like,

"/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender."


I was surprised to hear that pressure and coercion were criminal.

/gonna go sue my cousin Stevie for getting me into cigarettes back in the day
 
2014-03-19 03:06:10 PM

frepnog: Fact is that most porn starlets are NOT Asia Carrera. Most end up broken and used and hooked on drugs because sex work is dehumanizing, degrading, demeaning and empty.


I know Asia Carrera supposedly has an high IQ, but didn't she end broke, hooked on drugs, a degenerate gambler and begging people on the internet for money?

ScouserDuck: Call me a cynic but I think the whole outing of herself was staged. She has made an absolute name for herself as a star, and her outing not only gave he tons of publicity but it certifies her as a legitimate college girl for those who thrive with that niche. Maybe it got a little out of her control, but I'm convinced this whole damn thing was set up from stage 1.


I don't think she outed herself to increase her name in the business, I think she told the guy that she was a porn star the same reason why 18 or 19 year olds in their first year of college tell people they barely know and just met really personal things about themselves, to set themselves apart from everybody else and to make themselves seem special. She wanted people to know this because she thought it would make her the edgy girl on campus. It just didn't turn out how she wanted, and now she is regretting telling people. And I'm willing to bet this guy isn't the only person she told, he is just the one catching the blame for outing her. If she didn't want anybody on campus to know, she wouldn't have told somebody she just met met and barely knew about it.
 
2014-03-19 03:06:26 PM
Why does Duke suck?
 
2014-03-19 03:09:45 PM

PsiChick: Because the  reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to  not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the  only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.


I wonder why more self proclaimed feminists don't go out and empower themselves to stop being pants pissingly fearful of men. I'm not the most sexual or political woman in the world, but no amount of "oh a man might pressure me or rape me" will keep me from declaring and pursuing my personal desires insofar as they don't infringe other other people's rights. If women keep tolerating the stereotype of precious, wilting flowers who are incapable of standing up for themselves, how do you expect to our culture to grow?

Taking a stand that you own your own body and get decide what to do with it (whether it's sexual, asexual, intellectual, or mind-numbingly stupid) seems neither dangerous to me nor ground-breaking. To hell with men (or women) who cling to any excuse as a rationale for violating other people.
 
2014-03-19 03:16:29 PM

PsiChick: Because the reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.


So what you're telling me is that you're a delicate creature, and I'm a brutish carnivore who just can't help myself? That's 3rd wave feminism for you, folks.
 
2014-03-19 03:21:28 PM

elysive: PsiChick: Because the  reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to  not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the  only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.

I wonder why more self proclaimed feminists don't go out and empower themselves to stop being pants pissingly fearful of men. I'm not the most sexual or political woman in the world, but no amount of "oh a man might pressure me or rape me" will keep me from declaring and pursuing my personal desires insofar as they don't infringe other other people's rights. If women keep tolerating the stereotype of precious, wilting flowers who are incapable of standing up for themselves, how do you expect to our culture to grow?

Taking a stand that you own your own body and get decide what to do with it (whether it's sexual, asexual, intellectual, or mind-numbingly stupid) seems neither dangerous to me nor ground-breaking. To hell with men (or women) who cling to any excuse as a rationale for violating other people.


Okay, you're strong enough to do that. So am I. But you do realize not everyone is emotionally strong enough to fight an entire society on a daily basis, right? Nor should that sort of emotional strength be required for  living? We're supposed to be making the whole world a  safe place, not just a survival-of-the-fittest maze. I'm not saying that women who are sex-negative are right; I'm saying that they're having an understandably irrational response to a violent world. You don't get mad at a wounded animal for lashing out, either, even if you make sure it doesn't bite anyone.

verbaltoxin: PsiChick: Because the reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.

So what you're telling me is that you're a delicate creature, and I'm a brutish carnivore who just can't help myself? That's 3rd wave feminism for you, folks.


No, actually, that's what misogynists are using to teach little boys that it's okay to rape. Feminists are the ones calling that bullshiat and saying it's wrong. However, we  also live in a world where, statistically, men are the biggest threat to women. That makes people behave irrationally.
 
2014-03-19 03:21:35 PM

verbaltoxin: PsiChick: verbaltoxin: frepnog: that's it, ladies.  keep thinking you can have a life after porn.  seriously, this girl might as well blow off college at this point and go porn full time.

Why not both? The world needs more sex-positive feminists, and people like to watch attractive women f*ck. It's win-win for everybody.

The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline. A lot of women don't identify as sex-positive, or identify as sex-negative, because they don't want to end up in a situation where a man is using that as an excuse to pressure them into sex. When almost anything is seen as justification for pressuring someone or coercing someone into sex--I've seen men use 'I didn't rape you once when I could have, therefore you owe me' or 'I wasn't an asshole to you, therefore you owe me'--you tend to want as little as possible for someone to latch onto, especially since there's a lot of 'pick up artists' and other men who are good at hiding what they think until you're in a situation where it's not easy to escape.

/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender.

I get you, but sex negative is not the way to go, and has done more to encircle off feminism and make it an "other," rather than make people understand that feminism advocates things which are good for everybody.

Feminists complain of "straw feminism" and I think they're right. Their critics largely don't understand what feminism is, but how do you bridge that gap when your go-to position says stuff like,

"/It's not paranoia if there's an actual crime epidemic pointed at your gender."

I mean, why the hell would I, as a man, call myself feminist or support feminism if the other feminists insinuate I am or could be a criminal because of my gender? How is generalizing my gender as rape-mongers any better than my gender pegging yours as baby-makers? How does this improve anythin ...


LOGICAL FAULT:
She said that women are largely victims of being raped by men, more so than inverse. True.
You said this statement implies that all men would be therefore rapists, aka the converse is true. False.
Some men repeat their crimes with multiple victims. True, therefore not all men are rapists.

AGAIN: The majority of rapists are men; the majority of men are not rapists.
DUH.
 
2014-03-19 03:28:42 PM
PsiChick:
What is with that guy?
I forget the fallacy he keeps completing, but Man Alive, he is just pounding away on that box.

"B-b-but you're saying Statement A means that you're really saying the exact opposite, therefore I don't have to support your cause, because I feel offended by something you're not saying at all!!"
 
2014-03-19 03:33:30 PM

PsiChick: elysive: PsiChick: Because the  reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to  not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the  only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.

I wonder why more self proclaimed feminists don't go out and empower themselves to stop being pants pissingly fearful of men. I'm not the most sexual or political woman in the world, but no amount of "oh a man might pressure me or rape me" will keep me from declaring and pursuing my personal desires insofar as they don't infringe other other people's rights. If women keep tolerating the stereotype of precious, wilting flowers who are incapable of standing up for themselves, how do you expect to our culture to grow?

Taking a stand that you own your own body and get decide what to do with it (whether it's sexual, asexual, intellectual, or mind-numbingly stupid) seems neither dangerous to me nor ground-breaking. To hell with men (or women) who cling to any excuse as a rationale for violating other people.

Okay, you're strong enough to do that. So am I. But you do realize not everyone is emotionally strong enough to fight an entire society on a daily basis, right? Nor should that sort of emotional strength be required for  living? We're supposed to be making the whole world a  safe place, not just a survival-of-the-fittest maze. I'm not saying that women who are sex-negative are right; I'm saying that they're having an understandably irrational response to a violent world. You don't get mad at a wounded animal for lashi ...


If more women took a stand (unless you are suggesting that the majority of all women are essentially wounded animals), then strong empowered women might become the norm. Call it a herd immunity against sexual exploitation.

In your Boobies on this topic you said "The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline."Why? I find that most people who identify as feminists are usually more political than those who don't. If you are trying to make a statement and you have the emotional/physical fortitude to join a political movement, why not try to make the world a better place for other women? If you are an assault survivor I can understand being wary, though some of the strongest women I've met have been assault survivors.  If the incidence of rape in women is even as high as 25%, that still means the other 75% of women can be strong for their sisters.

Living in fear wont obliterate rape or else we would have far fewer rapes.
 
2014-03-19 03:37:14 PM

ongbok: I know Asia Carrera supposedly has an high IQ, but didn't she end broke, hooked on drugs, a degenerate gambler and begging people on the internet for money?


hm.  i dunno.  did she?
 
2014-03-19 03:41:10 PM

frepnog: ongbok: I know Asia Carrera supposedly has an high IQ, but didn't she end broke, hooked on drugs, a degenerate gambler and begging people on the internet for money?

hm.  i dunno.  did she?


well from what I can find it seems her husband was killed when she was 8 months pregnant.  It drove her to alcoholism.  She did solicit donations, but I can't fault her for that when you are 8 months preggers with a dead husband.  Seems he had life ins that paid off.

None of that had anything to do with making porn.
 
2014-03-19 03:43:03 PM

elysive: Living in fear wont obliterate rape


Awareness can help keep women safe on an individual basis, but it will only shift the crime to other women who are less aware. If you want to eliminate the existence of a crime altogether, you need to teach men not to do it. That's why nobody does illegal narcotics on this planet anymore, because of those 'this is your brain on drugs' commercials.

/you can only mitigate crime
//you can't eradicate it completely
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them
 
2014-03-19 03:44:32 PM
Fafai:
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

Why?
 
2014-03-19 03:49:08 PM

tlars699: PsiChick:
What is with that guy?
I forget the fallacy he keeps completing, but Man Alive, he is just pounding away on that box.

"B-b-but you're saying Statement A means that you're really saying the exact opposite, therefore I don't have to support your cause, because I feel offended by something you're not saying at all!!"


I don't know. I see it every time rape discussions come up, though.

elysive: f more women took a stand (unless you are suggesting that the majority of all women are essentially wounded animals), then strong empowered women might become the norm. Call it a herd immunity against sexual exploitation.

In your Boobies on this topic you said "The reason there aren't more sex-positive feminists is because a lot of people take 'sex-positive' to mean 'you cannot say no', especially offline."Why? I find that most people who identify as feminists are usually more political than those who don't. If you are trying to make a statement and you have the emotional/physical fortitude to join a political movement, why not try to make the world a better place for other women? If you are an assault survivor I can understand being wary, though some of the strongest women I've met have been assault survivors.  If the incidence of rape in women is even as high as 25%, that still means the other 75% of women can be strong for their sisters.

Living in fear wont obliterate rape or else we would have far fewer rapes.


Define 'strong empowered women'. I can feel free to say yes or no to whatever sex I like, but that doesn't mean  other people will respect that--which is the problem. If I want to say 'yes' to one thing, in this culture, I have to carry mace and watch what I wear so that I have a  higher chance of my no being respected.

And it still doesn't mean it will be.

We rely on society to enforce every kind of 'no' we say. 'No, you don't get my money, and if you take it by force the police will come'. 'No, you don't get to break this contract, and if you do you owe me a penalty'. But the only way a woman's sexual no can be enforced is if the woman is meticulously careful about how others view her. In that light, it takes tremendous strength to say 'yes' at all, because if you say 'no', you might be the only one who can reinforce it. It takes a  lot to beat the shiat out of someone, or be willing to kill them to save yourself. Not everyone has that.
 
2014-03-19 03:49:53 PM

ikanreed: Fafai:
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

Why?


Because there are people who don't give a fark about how others feel or what they do, and only care about themselves. Are you really asking me why telling people not to do something will not be 100% effective for all people? I guess you can 'teach' empathy up to a point, but it's not THE solution like I hear people saying. The only solution against any crime is to think small and immediate and keep you and yours safe. If we could eliminate a particular crime from happening at all, wouldn't we have done it by now (with any crime, not just rape)?
 
2014-03-19 03:53:16 PM

Fafai: ikanreed: Fafai:
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

Why?

Because there are people who don't give a fark about how others feel or what they do, and only care about themselves. Are you really asking me why telling people not to do something will not be 100% effective for all people? I guess you can 'teach' empathy up to a point, but it's not THE solution like I hear people saying. The only solution against any crime is to think small and immediate and keep you and yours safe. If we could eliminate a particular crime from happening at all, wouldn't we have done it by now (with any crime, not just rape)?


Yes, that's what I'm asking.  Not today.  Not in 10 years.  In a hundred, what makes you certain that this is a universal truth?
 
2014-03-19 03:56:41 PM
 
2014-03-19 03:59:48 PM

ikanreed: Fafai: ikanreed: Fafai:
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

Why?

Because there are people who don't give a fark about how others feel or what they do, and only care about themselves. Are you really asking me why telling people not to do something will not be 100% effective for all people? I guess you can 'teach' empathy up to a point, but it's not THE solution like I hear people saying. The only solution against any crime is to think small and immediate and keep you and yours safe. If we could eliminate a particular crime from happening at all, wouldn't we have done it by now (with any crime, not just rape)?

Yes, that's what I'm asking.  Not today.  Not in 10 years.  In a hundred, what makes you certain that this is a universal truth?


Human diversity and the fact that it has no precedent. Unless you can tell me the last time we were able to get 100% of all people on the planet to agree on something and walk the walk (and even then it has to be an apt comparison) then I'm going off sheer observation. I'm talking about how things are in reality as-is, not how they might be in 100 years. That's getting a little too sci-fi for me. Not very practical.
 
2014-03-19 04:03:34 PM

Sgt Otter: Marcus Aurelius: A self reliant woman frightens many Americans.  They just lose their shiat at the very thought of it.  Because they're pussies.

The dude who originally outed her looked like a Lamda Lamda Lamda from "Revenge of the Nerds."  The owner of a particularly vile porn site also recognized his name as a subscriber.


blogs.dallasobserver.com

Not seeing it.
 
2014-03-19 04:09:34 PM
I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.
 
2014-03-19 04:13:22 PM

ongbok: frepnog: ongbok: I know Asia Carrera supposedly has an high IQ, but didn't she end broke, hooked on drugs, a degenerate gambler and begging people on the internet for money?

hm.  i dunno.  did she?

Yeah, read through this. A lot of links, a lot from xxx forums, on the topic. Apparantley she snorted and gambled all the money she made from porn, and what was left her husband was trying to keep from her while he was trying to get her help. Then when she was pregnant he died in a car accident coming back from some business meeting trying to nail down some deal for her. After that she burned through the rest of the money and took to the internet with a sob story about how she was 8 months pregnant, her husband just died and now she is broke because of his funeral expenses and she can't do porn, and started begging people to send her money.

The way the whole thing shook out was just bizarre. Just a few months before all of that she was on her blog bragging about how she had all of this money because she was so smart and saved almost every dime she ever made.


Because people who trade sex for money are known for being scrupulously honest and truthful.
 
2014-03-19 04:24:11 PM

ikanreed: Fafai: ikanreed: Fafai:
///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

Why?

Because there are people who don't give a fark about how others feel or what they do, and only care about themselves. Are you really asking me why telling people not to do something will not be 100% effective for all people? I guess you can 'teach' empathy up to a point, but it's not THE solution like I hear people saying. The only solution against any crime is to think small and immediate and keep you and yours safe. If we could eliminate a particular crime from happening at all, wouldn't we have done it by now (with any crime, not just rape)?

Yes, that's what I'm asking.  Not today.  Not in 10 years.  In a hundred, what makes you certain that this is a universal truth?


Because life finds a way? Because the human condition is so complex and awesome that it can't be contained, there can be no predictable outcome for the reasons of human behavior because there are just way too many internal and external factors that are different for every single person?

It's just not possible to control the actions of billions of people or how they will interpret and process information, and then act on it - outside of forced incarceration or some sort of virtual reality scenario. This is the universal truth and rape is a horrendous and unfortunate byproduct of that, not a truth in and of itself.

In 3535 rape may be the most reprehensible crime known to man, with the punishment of a live chemical castration, left alone untreated to die of pain and starvation on a world wide feed but if FARK has taught me anything it is that there will be at least one person who will still think raping someone is a good idea.
 
2014-03-19 04:30:23 PM

Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.


Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.
 
2014-03-19 04:31:09 PM

Fissile: ongbok: frepnog: ongbok: I know Asia Carrera supposedly has an high IQ, but didn't she end broke, hooked on drugs, a degenerate gambler and begging people on the internet for money?

hm.  i dunno.  did she?

Yeah, read through this. A lot of links, a lot from xxx forums, on the topic. Apparantley she snorted and gambled all the money she made from porn, and what was left her husband was trying to keep from her while he was trying to get her help. Then when she was pregnant he died in a car accident coming back from some business meeting trying to nail down some deal for her. After that she burned through the rest of the money and took to the internet with a sob story about how she was 8 months pregnant, her husband just died and now she is broke because of his funeral expenses and she can't do porn, and started begging people to send her money.

The way the whole thing shook out was just bizarre. Just a few months before all of that she was on her blog bragging about how she had all of this money because she was so smart and saved almost every dime she ever made.

Because people who trade sex for money are known for being scrupulously honest and truthful.


Non sequitur. Someone's sexual promiscuity has nothing to do with their honesty and truthfulness.
 
2014-03-19 04:49:58 PM

lockers: lennavan: She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.

Your really invested in this. Slut shaming her won't get you into heaven.


Why is that shameful to you?  Who are you to judge her?
 
2014-03-19 04:53:13 PM

Clutch2013: Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.

Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass herself, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.

 
2014-03-19 05:01:18 PM

MycroftHolmes: Lennavan is not a moralist. He has acknowledged that he supports the porn industry. He just can't imagine that anyone in the porn industry could be possibly happy with the decision.

In essence, he is knowingly supporting an industry that he feels destroys lives. So I would say that exckudes him from being a moralist. Pretty much the opposite.

He does guise his hypocrisy behind a nice 'won't womeone think of the children' facade, though


WTF are you talking about?  I have never said anything about anyone or anything other than this one very specific girl.

How the fark you generalized this is beyond me.  It's probably stupidity.
 
2014-03-19 05:03:46 PM

TrainingWheelsNeeded: squirrelflavoredyogurt: Frank N Stein: [31.media.tumblr.com image 360x480]

And I'm sure this woman is still better than Sasha Grey. Seriously, who tries to impress people with a selfie of you and your philosophy book about farking existentialism (of all things). Name drop harder, and let me know when you get through the first 10 pages.

Yes because it's impossible to be both smart and a porn star?

http://www.ranker.com/list/the-13-smartest-porn-stars-of-all-time/gr eg

OR are you suggesting that you know her personally and therefore know she's full of shiat? Let me know where that bandwagon you jumped on finally ends up.

I think he's suggesting that smart or interesting people don't have to prove or show off how smart or interesting they may be. I don't know the context of the picture, maybe she was just answering a fan question, maybe it is photo-shopped (I've seen a lot in my day), but posing with a philosophy book on social media is a pretty empty gesture, a braniac like Sasha Grey should have known better.


Then again, she could read a lot of philosophy, be into philosophy, and not really give a flying fark what people think. This article seems to suggest she's pretty heavily into philosophy.

http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/11/grey-matter/?_php=true &_ type=blogs&_r=0

I now know far more about the chick then I ever really wanted to. The point I was trying to make is, just because you look down on someone because of their profession, doesn't mean they aren't actually smarter than you assume.

On a side note, Frank suggested she was "name dropping" by holding up a book on existentialism, so I guess I should have just assumed he was trying hard to troll in the first place.

/no idea the context of the photo
//posing with anything you're into on social media is a pretty empty gesture, doesn't stop people from doing it
 
2014-03-19 05:05:12 PM

lennavan: this one very specific girl.


Because you don't know her, thus everything you say is clearly and undeniably a generalization.
 
2014-03-19 05:06:50 PM

ikanreed: lennavan: this one very specific girl.

Because you don't know her, thus everything you say is clearly and undeniably a generalization.


I've read what she herself says and I base my opinions on this girl solely by taking what she says as factual.  You're an idiot.
 
2014-03-19 05:22:54 PM

Clutch2013: Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.

Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.


I don't doubt the dude who ran his mouth is a creepy, dateless wonder, who was probably jealous because no matter what he does he's never gonna have his pathetic, little wienie sucked by a porn star.  Let's face it, if this numbnutz had not pointed her out, someone else would have.  It was inevitable.  She should have realized that when she got into porn.
 
2014-03-19 05:39:10 PM

Fissile: Clutch2013: Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.

Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.

I don't doubt the dude who ran his mouth is a creepy, dateless wonder, who was probably jealous because no matter what he does he's never gonna have his pathetic, little wienie sucked by a porn star.  Let's face it, if this numbnutz had not pointed her out, someone else would have.  It was inevitable.  She should have realized that when she got into porn.


I don't doubt that for a second. I also think that if she didn't go in knowing that already, she has had the very thought drilled (heh heh, heh heh) into her head from day one. Probably why it was a side thing and not a full-time career - she was prepping for life after her on-screen adventures, whether it was still in the industry or outside of it.

I'm pretty sure she wasn't expecting to be exposed so close to the jump, though. I don't think anyone would be. Now she has to commit full-time or close to that, because of scumbags.
 
2014-03-19 05:45:08 PM

PsiChick: Define 'strong empowered women'. I can feel free to say yes or no to whatever sex I like, but that doesn't mean  other people will respect that--which is the problem. If I want to say 'yes' to one thing, in this culture, I have to carry mace and watch what I wear so that I have a  higher chance of my no being respected.

And it still doesn't mean it will be.

We rely on society to enforce every kind of 'no' we say. 'No, you don't get my money, and if you take it by force the police will come'. 'No, you don't get to break this contract, and if yo ...

If you wait until someone is assaulting you to make a stand, you aren't really demonstrating that you have power over yourself or over how men treat you. In order for women to stop being afraid, they have to start controlling the public discourse on sex and gender. If you look at this thread alone it's like 90%+ men discussing what's ok for this girl to do. Why should men have that much sway or influence in our morality and how we conduct our lives? I would even say men have greater control of this discourse outside of this forum. And so long as women can fear for their lives or get called sluts or can be driven out of college for talking candidly about sex, culture is the problem and not not physical gender differences. When other women see this we should be telling men to shut their traps or risk never getting laid again. Unfortunately, a lot of women contribute to the abuse of other women, so we'd probably have to reduce that before men take us seriously.

I realize that some men might be turned off by women being up front about sex but IMHO that's tough cookies.

/it's a clusterfark and not going to magically change any time soon, but those who believe strongly in women's rights can at least stop cowtowing to men and contributing to the stereotypes society uses to keep us in our place

Fafai: elysive: Living in fear wont obliterate rape

Awareness can help keep women safe on an individual basis, but it will only shift the crime to other women who are less aware. If you want to eliminate the existence of a crime altogether, you need to teach men not to do it. That's why nobody does illegal narcotics on this planet anymore, because of those 'this is your brain on drugs' commercials.

/you can only mitigate crime

//you can't eradicate it completely

///there will always be people who break the rules, its not just a matter of 'educating' them

I agree that the answer is not to shift blame to weaker women...but it scares me that a "feminist" could rationalize women unilaterally pulling the "I'm a helpless weakling" card. Undoubtedly the answer is to fix our culture and educate new generations. I don't know if "Bobby, don't be raping womens" is sufficient to make change (as I expect many men alive, including rapists, have already learned "no means no" at some point in their lives) so much as teaching people to respect each other. I don't know in what bizarro world it makes sense to shame a person for the same behavior that you proudly partake in.

 
2014-03-19 05:53:08 PM

elysive: PsiChick: Define 'strong empowered women'. I can feel free to say yes or no to whatever sex I like, but that doesn't mean  other people will respect that--which is the problem. If I want to say 'yes' to one thing, in this culture, I have to carry mace and watch what I wear so that I have a  higher chance of my no being respected.

And it still doesn't mean it will be.

We rely on society to enforce every kind of 'no' we say. 'No, you don't get my money, and if you take it by force the police will come'. 'No, you don't get to break this contract, and if yo ...If you wait until someone is assaulting you to make a stand, you aren't really demonstrating that you have power over yourself or over how men treat you. In order for women to stop being afraid, they have to start controlling the public discourse on sex and gender. If you look at this thread alone it's like 90%+ men discussing what's ok for this girl to do. Why should men have that much sway or influence in our morality and how we conduct our lives? I would even say men have greater control of this discourse outside of this forum. And so long as women can fear for their lives or get called sluts or can be driven out of college for talking candidly about sex, culture is the problem and not not physical gender differences. When other women see this we should be telling men to shut their traps or risk never getting laid again. Unfortunately, a lot of women contribute to the abuse of other women, so we'd probably have to reduce that before men take us seriously.I realize that some men might be turned off by women being up front about sex but IMHO that's tough cookies./it's a clusterfark and not going to magically change any time soon, but those who believe strongly in women's rights can at least stop cowtowing to men and contributing to the stereotypes society uses to keep us in our place


Now  this I agree with. However, it doesn't change that, in the meantime, a lot of women will freak out and be irrational, because  all humans, male, female, or any other gender, are irrational.
 
2014-03-19 06:24:13 PM

ongbok: Clutch2013: Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.

Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass herself, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.


I went back and read the original blog, and the follow-up (on mobile, so can't link). The three big takeaways:

1) She was exposed, particularly by someone she'd hoped she could trust.

2) She knew what was coming. The severity of it seems to have caught her off-guard, though.

3) She's been trying to, in her words, "control the conversation" ever since.

She's been trying to make a good thing out of a bad development. Whether or not she's been successful is up for debate. I will say that having reread both articles now, she would probably be better served getting the hell out of Duke. Thomas Bagley's pretty much ensured that she'll never finish her time there with anything remotely approaching peace or stability.
 
2014-03-19 06:27:44 PM
I think it is sad that you people are all blaming the guy for outing her. She outed herself by telling him. If she didn't want anybody to know she wouldn't have told him. And I don't believe for a minute that he is the only person she told. She probably did what a lot of 19 and 19 year old college freshmen do and tell people very personal stuff about themselves that they shouldn't be sharing thinking it will make them interesting and stand out. I had no doubt that she told people this thinking it would make them think she was edgy and cool. And when it didn't turn out the way she thought it would and she started getting blowback, out of all the people she told, she picked the one that she didn't mind losing as a friend and threw him under the bus to gain public sympathy.
 
2014-03-19 06:30:10 PM

elysive: I don't know if "Bobby, don't be raping womens" is sufficient to make change (as I expect many men alive, including rapists, have already learned "no means no" at some point in their lives) so much as teaching people to respect each other.


I couldn't agree more. However the problem there is that "feminists" consider it wasteful to apply this education to everyone. They'd rather attack the symptom because the treatment can be localized to the one offending gender (which isn't actually true--both genders can and have committed sexual assault but things like that don't stop these people from pushing their narrative). I'm guessing you'll get just as much pushback from feminists if your suggestion to this problem is "teach people to respect each other" as you will from me if you tell me I need lessons on "how not to rape." They're not the guilty parties after all, so why should they need to learn anything? It's men. Men are the guilty ones and since you can't tell a rapist from a non-raping man then we need to teach all the men (but not the women because female rapists are so rare that their victims don't really matter).

/will teach my kid how not to rape and how not to get raped
//will support him if he doesn't want to participate in mandatory, gender-discriminatory education
///i do teach people not to rape and i'm farking tired of all the insinuations that say otherwise. I don't have to answer for people who hurt others just because I'm the same gender as most of these people
 
2014-03-19 06:36:48 PM

Clutch2013: ongbok: Clutch2013: Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.

Not everyone would be looking for porn, though. Not only that, but there's so much of it out there that unless she became famous on the level of Sasha Grey or Nina Hartley, she wouldn't have been that recognizable. There's mainstream actors and actresses out there I'd be hard pressed to recognize if you took them from their usual arena.

She was outed by a jackass herself, and everything since, good or bad, is a direct result of that moment.

I went back and read the original blog, and the follow-up (on mobile, so can't link). The three big takeaways:

1) She was exposed, particularly by someone she'd hoped she could trust.

2) She knew what was coming. The severity of it seems to have caught her off-guard, though.

3) She's been trying to, in her words, "control the conversation" ever since.

She's been trying to make a good thing out of a bad development. Whether or not she's been successful is up for debate. I will say that having reread both articles now, she would probably be better served getting the hell out of Duke.She has Thomas Bagley's pretty much ensured that she'll never finish her time there with anything remotely approaching peace or stability.


She wanted attention and she got it.
 
2014-03-19 06:41:42 PM

Fafai: I'm guessing you'll get just as much pushback from feminists if your suggestion to this problem is "teach people to respect each other" as you will from me if you tell me I need lessons on "how not to rape." They're not the guilty parties after all, so why should they need to learn anything? It's men.


Those feminists would have to have their heads pretty far up their derrieres not to acknowledge that females are very frequently mean and demeaning to one another. They would have to be repressing a lot of high school memories, in fact.

PsiChick: Now  this I agree with. However, it doesn't change that, in the meantime, a lot of women will freak out and be irration ...


*fistbump*
 
2014-03-19 06:48:17 PM

ongbok: I think it is sad that you people are all blaming the guy for outing her. She outed herself by telling him. If she didn't want anybody to know she wouldn't have told him. And I don't believe for a minute that he is the only person she told. She probably did what a lot of 19 and 19 year old college freshmen do and tell people very personal stuff about themselves that they shouldn't be sharing thinking it will make them interesting and stand out. I had no doubt that she told people this thinking it would make them think she was edgy and cool. And when it didn't turn out the way she thought it would and she started getting blowback, out of all the people she told, she picked the one that she didn't mind losing as a friend and threw him under the bus to gain public sympathy.


Except, per Knox herself (because Bagley isn't saying shiat to defend himself), the asshole found her first. Just as easy as you say that, I'm going to theorize that he recognized her, approached her, and creeped her out. Despite that, she pled with him to keep this between themselves. He said yes, then went and started blabbing because the encounter didn't end the way he wanted it to.

In fact, I'm more inclined to believe that, because I've seen firsthand the attitude that leads to stuff like this and "revenge porn". Really, whatever you want to think about Belle, nothing that has come out about Bagley says anything other than "vengeful prick".
 
2014-03-19 06:58:03 PM

elysive: Fafai: I'm guessing you'll get just as much pushback from feminists if your suggestion to this problem is "teach people to respect each other" as you will from me if you tell me I need lessons on "how not to rape." They're not the guilty parties after all, so why should they need to learn anything? It's men.

Those feminists would have to have their heads pretty far up their derrieres not to acknowledge that females are very frequently mean and demeaning to one another. They would have to be repressing a lot of high school memories, in fact.


But they don't rape each other, which is the specific problem in question. I know people who would think applying lessons of respect equally across the board (in an attempt to lower rape statistics) would only be unnecessary 'fluffing-up' or 'making it fair' for the poor mens who they totally don't understand when they somehow take offense at being told they need special lessons on not becoming a monster.
 
2014-03-19 07:03:26 PM

Clutch2013: ongbok: I think it is sad that you people are all blaming the guy for outing her. She outed herself by telling him. If she didn't want anybody to know she wouldn't have told him. And I don't believe for a minute that he is the only person she told. She probably did what a lot of 19 and 19 year old college freshmen do and tell people very personal stuff about themselves that they shouldn't be sharing thinking it will make them interesting and stand out. I had no doubt that she told people this thinking it would make them think she was edgy and cool. And when it didn't turn out the way she thought it would and she started getting blowback, out of all the people she told, she picked the one that she didn't mind losing as a friend and threw him under the bus to gain public sympathy.

Except, per Knox herself (because Bagley isn't saying shiat to defend himself), the asshole found her first. Just as easy as you say that, I'm going to theorize that he recognized her, approached her, and creeped her out. Despite that, she pled with him to keep this between themselves. He said yes, then went and started blabbing because the encounter didn't end the way he wanted it to.

In fact, I'm more inclined to believe that, because I've seen firsthand the attitude that leads to stuff like this and "revenge porn". Really, whatever you want to think about Belle, nothing that has come out about Bagley says anything other than "vengeful prick".


Seriously, some stranger came up to her and asked her if she was the chick in the porn, something she wanted to be kept a secret, so she tells him yes? Does that make sense to you? Think about it. If she did that she is the dumbest wanting to keep a secret identity person in the world. Wouldn't it seem that most people in that situation would say no and tell them to get away from them? But I don't expect to to see that as you are blinded to this by your desire to White Knight her.
 
2014-03-19 07:58:52 PM
Clutch2013:

Except, per Knox herself (because Bagley isn't saying shiat to defend himself), the asshole found her first. Just as easy as you say that, I'm going to theorize that he recognized her, approached her, and creeped her out. Despite that, she pled with him to keep this between themselves. He said yes, then went and started blabbing because the encounter didn't end the way he wanted it to.

The guy told a few of his friends and some gossip spread on campus. Then Ms Knox started writing articles that turned this into something a few people at Duke knew about into a nation wide publicity tour including TV appearances. If she had skipped the publicity tour the chances any of us would know about it would be minimal. Loads of women manage dips into porn and/or the sex industry while in college and go on to professional careers afterwards - because they don't write article after article and then go on TV to promote their porn career as "The Duke Coed Porn Star".
 
2014-03-19 08:17:51 PM
A Women's Studies major. As if sucking dick on camera wasn't embarrassing enough.
 
2014-03-19 08:34:50 PM

Target Builder: Clutch2013:

Except, per Knox herself (because Bagley isn't saying shiat to defend himself), the asshole found her first. Just as easy as you say that, I'm going to theorize that he recognized her, approached her, and creeped her out. Despite that, she pled with him to keep this between themselves. He said yes, then went and started blabbing because the encounter didn't end the way he wanted it to.

The guy told a few of his friends and some gossip spread on campus. Then Ms Knox started writing articles that turned this into something a few people at Duke knew about into a nation wide publicity tour including TV appearances. If she had skipped the publicity tour the chances any of us would know about it would be minimal. Loads of women manage dips into porn and/or the sex industry while in college and go on to professional careers afterwards - because they don't write article after article and then go on TV to promote their porn career as "The Duke Coed Porn Star".


Well, like I said earlier, she's trying to control the message. Whether she has been successful or not is still up for debate.

Consider the following amendment to previous statements white knighting if you want, but this still all starts with Bagley. Per the nymag.com article (which I just read), he learns a secret from someone who deems him trustworthy, and his near-immediate reaction is to go get shiat-faced at a Duke frat party. So he's not a vengeful perv. Instead, he's a farking idiot.

At least I can understand why he's not talking now.
 
2014-03-19 08:38:46 PM

Clutch2013: Target Builder: Clutch2013:

Except, per Knox herself (because Bagley isn't saying shiat to defend himself), the asshole found her first. Just as easy as you say that, I'm going to theorize that he recognized her, approached her, and creeped her out. Despite that, she pled with him to keep this between themselves. He said yes, then went and started blabbing because the encounter didn't end the way he wanted it to.

The guy told a few of his friends and some gossip spread on campus. Then Ms Knox started writing articles that turned this into something a few people at Duke knew about into a nation wide publicity tour including TV appearances. If she had skipped the publicity tour the chances any of us would know about it would be minimal. Loads of women manage dips into porn and/or the sex industry while in college and go on to professional careers afterwards - because they don't write article after article and then go on TV to promote their porn career as "The Duke Coed Porn Star".

Well, like I said earlier, she's trying to control the message. Whether she has been successful or not is still up for debate.

Consider the following amendment to previous statements white knighting if you want, but this still all starts with Bagley. Per the nymag.com article (which I just read), he learns a secret from someone who deems him trustworthy, and his near-immediate reaction is to go get shiat-faced at a Duke frat party. So he's not a vengeful perv. Instead, he's a farking idiot.

At least I can understand why he's not talking now.


That is funny. From what you said earlier he was just some stranger that recognized her and asked her if she was a porn star. She deems some stranger trustworthy to keep a secret? If you believe that ridiculous story you are white knighting her.
 
2014-03-19 08:40:28 PM
I'm too damned tired to read through all of the posts now so I'm just going to leave my 2 cents worth:

What the fark is wrong with people?!  There is absolutely no reason this young lady should be getting death threats!! Grow the fark up, you immature, insecure jackasses!!!
 
2014-03-19 08:49:02 PM

ongbok: Clutch2013: Target Builder: Clutch2013:

Except, per Knox herself (because Bagley isn't saying shiat to defend himself), the asshole found her first. Just as easy as you say that, I'm going to theorize that he recognized her, approached her, and creeped her out. Despite that, she pled with him to keep this between themselves. He said yes, then went and started blabbing because the encounter didn't end the way he wanted it to.

The guy told a few of his friends and some gossip spread on campus. Then Ms Knox started writing articles that turned this into something a few people at Duke knew about into a nation wide publicity tour including TV appearances. If she had skipped the publicity tour the chances any of us would know about it would be minimal. Loads of women manage dips into porn and/or the sex industry while in college and go on to professional careers afterwards - because they don't write article after article and then go on TV to promote their porn career as "The Duke Coed Porn Star".

Well, like I said earlier, she's trying to control the message. Whether she has been successful or not is still up for debate.

Consider the following amendment to previous statements white knighting if you want, but this still all starts with Bagley. Per the nymag.com article (which I just read), he learns a secret from someone who deems him trustworthy, and his near-immediate reaction is to go get shiat-faced at a Duke frat party. So he's not a vengeful perv. Instead, he's a farking idiot.

At least I can understand why he's not talking now.

That is funny. From what you said earlier he was just some stranger that recognized her and asked her if she was a porn star. She deems some stranger trustworthy to keep a secret? If you believe that ridiculous story you are white knighting her.


"Consider the following amendment to previous statements white knighting if you want...Per the nymag.com article (which I just read)..."
"Consider the following amendment to previous statements white knighting if you want...Per the nymag.com article (which I just read)..."
"Consider the following amendment to previous statements white knighting if you want...Per the nymag.com article (which I just read)..."

Clutch2013: Well, like I said earlier, she's trying to control the message. Whether she has been successful or not is still up for debate.

Consider the following amendment to previous statements white knighting if you want, but this still all starts with Bagley. Per the nymag.com article (which I just read), he learns a secret from someone who deems him trustworthy, and his near-immediate reaction is to go get shiat-faced at a Duke frat party. So he's not a vengeful perv. Instead, he's a farking idiot.

At least I can understand why he's not talking now.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Are you really going to go down that road?
 
2014-03-19 11:13:04 PM

ongbok: She wanted attention and she got it.



You are frightening. I really hope you have a deep dark secret that you confess to someone and they tell people. So that we can blame you.

"Hey! Look over there. Look at what she's wearing!"

She also got death threats. Do you think she wanted those as well?
 
2014-03-20 12:07:34 AM

Clint_Torres: ongbok: She wanted attention and she got it.


You are frightening. I really hope you have a deep dark secret that you confess to someone and they tell people. So that we can blame you.

"Hey! Look over there. Look at what she's wearing!"

She also got death threats. Do you think she wanted those as well?


Did i say she deserved to be treated badly? No I didn't. I said she wanted attention, and she got it. Before this broke she was an unknown girl doing porn on some obscure hardcore porn site, know she is a media darling. That is what she wanted, and she got it. I wouldn't be surprised if the owner of the site found out she went to Duke and then went to her with this plan to get national attention and drive up business to his websites.
 
2014-03-20 12:13:00 AM

ongbok: Clint_Torres: ongbok: She wanted attention and she got it.


You are frightening. I really hope you have a deep dark secret that you confess to someone and they tell people. So that we can blame you.

"Hey! Look over there. Look at what she's wearing!"

She also got death threats. Do you think she wanted those as well?

Did i say she deserved to be treated badly? No I didn't. I said she wanted attention, and she got it. Before this broke she was an unknown girl doing porn on some obscure hardcore porn site, know she is a media darling. That is what she wanted, and she got it. I wouldn't be surprised if the owner of the site found out she went to Duke and then went to her with this plan to get national attention and drive up business to his websites.


All speculation. Got it.
 
2014-03-20 05:25:16 AM

lennavan: Ctrl-Alt-Del: lennavan: I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means. This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career. But she'll quit the moment she can. That makes sense to you, somehow.

Luckily we have you here to manslplain it for all of us

Today I learned suggesting a girl who cut the word FAT into her thigh might not be unimaginably joyous is "mansplaining."


Are you calling her a liar? You must be jealous/ slut-shaming/ need to go rub one out.

Really, I suspect the people "defending" her just want to buy into her Garden of Eden story so they don't feel guilty for watching her choke-the-biatch porn.
 
2014-03-20 05:30:19 AM

elysive: lennavan: elysive: I'm a woman and I never bothered looking at her links. Her choice of sexual partners isnt really my concern...but apparently it's yours?

Nope.  What she sells to the public in amongst other things, nationally syndicated TV shows is.  Is it alright with you if I criticize what gets broadcast nationally on public airwaves?  Or is that too intrusive of me?

elysive: though I think people should be able to do it without hypocritical ninnies running their mouths like they know shiat.

Knock yourself out, but dont be surprised if someone calls you a ninny.

This is funny because this is exactly what I'm saying.  This girl is a hypocritical, lying ninny running her mouth like she knows shiat.  People should do porn going into it knowing the realities of it.  Brings her unimaginable joy, get out of here with that shiat.

Oh, so you are the authority on what it's like to star in porn? Forgive me, I didnt know. You should have lead with that.


Your level of naïveté borders on retardation.
 
2014-03-20 05:36:43 AM

hubiestubert: lennavan: doubled99: She's going to quit her job the MOMENT she graduates.  She would quit it RIGHT NOW if Duke would only give her financial aid.  But she's stripping in NYC right now because it empowers here and brings her unimaginable joy.  But she'd quit RIGHT NOW if Duke offered her financial aid.  Vanderbilt offered her a full ride (snicker).  But Duke is forcing her to do porn.  But she loves doing porn and it brings her fulfillment and unimaginable joy.  But she'll quit if Duke offers her financial aid.
I don't think you understand what unimaginable joy means.  This girl literally cannot imagine a more joyous career.  But she'll quit the moment she can.  That makes sense to you, somehow.

Why are you so fixated on this triviality? jesus christ, go rub one out, weirdo

Because I think sending the message that porn brings her unimaginable joy when reality is the opposite does a great disservice to girls considering going into porn.

Why are you so fixated on defending her?  She will sleep with you, if you pay her enough.

Perhaps it's not so much about "defending" her as acknowledging it's her life, and that it's none of our damn business.


Re:our business

She's a farking porn start feminist **blogger**
 
2014-03-20 05:43:29 AM

Fissile: I don't understand all this talk of her being "outed".  It wasn't like she was living a double life that could be concealed.  She was doing porn that anyone with a connection to the net could view.


I don't get the people who want to punish the guy who outed her.. It's not exactly illegal, and fifty other guys would have done it had he not.

Though it really sucks about the people threatening her.. Those are the people to whom anger should be directed. I wonder how many of them are "religious".
 
2014-03-20 12:23:16 PM
but even I know that it is a terrible idea to make it, and the women that DO make it usually end up damaged.


Pure ignorance and stereotyping.
That's okay, it's only bad when referring to race, gender or sexual orientation
 
2014-03-20 12:28:19 PM
Because the  reason rape is a male-on-female epidemic is because of misogynist enculturation that severely warps children into rapists. And my go-to position is a factual statement. Most women try to be rational, but it's humanly impossible to  not be paranoid when you stand a one-in-five chance of being raped in your lifetime, and about that chance of being in an abusive relationship or otherwise hurt by someone, and the  only thing you knowis that they will be male. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but this is literally the only defense women have--and it's only a partial one at that. Living like this doesn't end well for anyone.


What a giant pile of pure bullshiat. As well as being incredibly insulting to women everywhere.
 Just because you feel a victim and can't seem to find any empowering aspect of womanhood that isn't subjective to a mans thoughts or actions doesn't mean every woman shares your pathetic view.
You are disturbed and need therapy.
 
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