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(War on the Rocks)   Putin is playing chess in Crimea... and losing   (warontherocks.com) divider line 240
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2014-03-19 09:41:00 AM
Putin had this site taken down. It was "insolent".

dailypicksandflicks.com

Your move, War on the Rocks.
 
2014-03-19 10:06:19 AM
He has legions of Republicans as fans, so he always has that going for him. Hell, I'm surprised he didn't win the last cpac straw poll
 
2014-03-19 10:09:07 AM
that... was well-reasoned.
 
2014-03-19 10:12:21 AM

Peter von Nostrand: He has legions of Republicans as fans, so he always has that going for him. Hell, I'm surprised he didn't win the last cpac straw poll


i wonder what reagan would say if you told him that republicans were praising a russian dictator while attacking our president at the same time.
 
2014-03-19 10:25:25 AM

FlashHarry: Peter von Nostrand: He has legions of Republicans as fans, so he always has that going for him. Hell, I'm surprised he didn't win the last cpac straw poll

i wonder what reagan would say if you told him that republicans were praising a russian dictator while attacking our president at the same time.


He'd ask why there were so many strawmen in front of him.
 
2014-03-19 10:25:27 AM
Putin needs a JDAM.
 
2014-03-19 10:25:47 AM
Losing? Really?
 
2014-03-19 10:26:17 AM
FTFA: "The Benghazi theater of the absurd will play well for a certain audience. For more serious observers. . ."

Some people actually believe this shiat, but for people without learning disabilities and head trauma. . .
 
2014-03-19 10:28:18 AM
Getting everything you want = a loss now?
 
2014-03-19 10:29:32 AM
Obama fiddled while the Ukraine burned.
 
2014-03-19 10:29:51 AM

Peter von Nostrand: He has legions of Republicans as fans, so he always has that going for him. Hell, I'm surprised he didn't win the last cpac straw poll


No kidding. Republicans have been hounding President Obama relentlessly from Bengazi to Syria to now Crimea. No wonder Putin felt improved to move on Crimea when the President isn't being supported by Republicans and others totally, to include left leaning Democrats.
 
2014-03-19 10:29:55 AM
Putin is, and always has been playing poker. He loves a good bluff.
 
2014-03-19 10:29:57 AM
So I see things this way:
The world has 2 options
1  Let putin have whatever portion of Ukraine he wants
2  Do not let him have it

Putin has 2 options:
1  Give it back
2  keep it

If both pick #2 we are going to shoot it out.

I will be investing in defense stocks.  Anyone know the ticker symbol for Halliburton?
 
2014-03-19 10:29:58 AM
Ever heard kids arguing on the playground when one of them says "well, I LET you win."
 
2014-03-19 10:30:15 AM
Just because

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2014-03-19 10:31:19 AM
How is he losing?
 
2014-03-19 10:31:53 AM

FlashHarry: that... was well-reasoned.


Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised at how objective it was, considering the usual shiat that gets posted to Fark.
 
2014-03-19 10:32:08 AM

FlashHarry: Peter von Nostrand: He has legions of Republicans as fans, so he always has that going for him. Hell, I'm surprised he didn't win the last cpac straw poll

i wonder what reagan would say if you told him that republicans were praising a russian dictator while attacking our president at the same time.


It does boggle the mind. But it does bring to mind an old cold-war era saying: If they don't like it, they can move the hell to Russia.
 
2014-03-19 10:32:14 AM
D'OH! I meant empowered, not improved.
 
2014-03-19 10:32:31 AM

KAVORKA: How is he losing?


He's plaing Czechers
 
2014-03-19 10:32:46 AM

Peter von Nostrand: He has legions of Republicans as fans, so he always has that going for him. Hell, I'm surprised he didn't win the last cpac straw poll



I thought it was republicans who said that Russia was the greatest geopolitical threat during the debates?
 
2014-03-19 10:33:04 AM
A former Marine's Marine Core blog....

Nothing better than the Core's view of Foreign Policy.
 
2014-03-19 10:33:19 AM

svanmeter: Obama fiddled while the Ukraine burned.


Exactly what responsibility or authority does Obama have when it comes to Ukraine?
 
2014-03-19 10:34:04 AM
Peter von Nostrand:
He has legions of Republicans as fans,

...according to leftist Democrats, who can't ever seem to find any actual legions...
 
2014-03-19 10:34:25 AM

KAVORKA: How is he losing?


Maybe read the article? Short answer: NATO and the EU have whittled down his sphere of influence to the point that he has no choice but to undertake this conflict. While he does retain a goodly amount of residual strength, he is not acting from a position of strength.
 
2014-03-19 10:34:28 AM
Sorry, libbos, but Putin is a global chessmaster.  Russia is a strong and proud nation and its robust and diversified economy cannot be damaged by your so-called "sanctions".  Once Putin takes over all of Europe, your "leader" Homobama will be begging for mercy.  This is what happens when you elect someone that wears momjeans.
 
2014-03-19 10:34:55 AM
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"Putin's desperate, losing move will ultimately be overcome by the tides of history."


Translation: We're losing now, but someday it will look like we won.
History tends to not work that way.

/I want to see Putin go down in flames and I have no objection to Obama being the man who does it.
/But until we get a few W's up on the board I'm not convinced Obama can do it.
 
2014-03-19 10:35:21 AM

FLMountainMan: FlashHarry: Peter von Nostrand: He has legions of Republicans as fans, so he always has that going for him. Hell, I'm surprised he didn't win the last cpac straw poll

i wonder what reagan would say if you told him that republicans were praising a russian dictator while attacking our president at the same time.

He'd ask why there were so many strawmen in front of him.


Clearly, you don't know what 'strawman' means.

Republicans have been saying Putin is a 'stronger' leader than Obama. They have said Obama should emulate his leadership style. They have been attacking Obama non-stop since day one of his Presidency. These are documented facts.

Really, why SHOULDN'T Republicans like Putin? He's strong,  corrupt as fark business-friendly, aggressive, anti-gay, pisses off 'libs'....If he was American rather than Russian, he'd be the GOP front-runner.
 
2014-03-19 10:35:46 AM
Surely, the Obama administration is adrift in a sea tossed by crises

So Putin is on the move while Obama has America adrift at sea, but it don't matter because the cold war is over.  Not a very convincing argument.
 
2014-03-19 10:36:19 AM
The exacts same "shell of a former self" argument could have been said about Germany before WWII.

The problem with carrying a chess analogy too far is that a Chess game has a definitive end.  In the article's metaphor, all the Chess pieces have been eliminated and can never return. Not true with real life.  You can always come back from almost nothing.  And it happens all through history.  Either through strange allies, an unexpected windfall of resources, or some other element.

I am not really well read on this issue enough to give an opinion on the whole, but articles like this certainly aren't helping.
 
2014-03-19 10:36:21 AM

Rapmaster2000: Sorry, libbos, but Putin is a global chessmaster.  Russia is a strong and proud nation and its robust and diversified economy cannot be damaged by your so-called "sanctions".  Once Putin takes over all of Europe, your "leader" Homobama will be begging for mercy.  This is what happens when you elect someone that wears momjeans.


Lots of win with this post.  I like it.
 
2014-03-19 10:36:46 AM

netcentric: A former Marine's Marine Core blog....

Nothing better than the Core's view of Foreign Policy.


Struck straight to the corps of the issue with that post.
 
2014-03-19 10:36:56 AM

netcentric: A former Marine's Marine Core blog....

Nothing better than the Core's view of Foreign Policy.


0/10

You said "core" twice.
 
2014-03-19 10:37:17 AM

cirby: Peter von Nostrand:
He has legions of Republicans as fans,

...according to leftist Democrats, who can't ever seem to find any actual legions...


Yeah this hasn't been a talking point on FOX News or anything.
 
2014-03-19 10:38:38 AM

way south: [dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 768x543]

"Putin's desperate, losing move will ultimately be overcome by the tides of history."

Translation: We're losing now, but someday it will look like we won.
History tends to not work that way.

/I want to see Putin go down in flames and I have no objection to Obama being the man who does it.
/But until we get a few W's up on the board I'm not convinced Obama can do it.


Russia's economy cannot handle serious sanctions from the EU/US, let alone a world war. Why should Obama do anything while Putin throws money down a hole just to wave his dick around? Never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake.
 
2014-03-19 10:38:58 AM

QuesoDelicioso: KAVORKA: How is he losing?

Maybe read the article? Short answer: NATO and the EU have whittled down his sphere of influence to the point that he has no choice but to undertake this conflict. While he does retain a goodly amount of residual strength, he is not acting from a position of strength.


Counterpoint, NATO is powerless to actually do anything about this and similar actions. The fact that we have people not owning up to the fact that the nuclear option isn't real is just sad.
 
2014-03-19 10:39:17 AM

naptapper: Losing? Really?


Yes. The whole reason he invaded Crimea is that Russia can't have NATO so dam close. Essentially the same reason that the US has punished Cuba for 60 years is the reason that Russia is invading Crimea. Secondly Russia's economy is taking a beating. If the US turns up the economic pressure on Russia all it will take is time before Putin folds or is replaced.
 
2014-03-19 10:39:42 AM
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2014-03-19 10:40:30 AM
I thought he was playing Risk....
 
2014-03-19 10:40:31 AM
Remember Putin, the Ukraine is weak!
 
2014-03-19 10:40:34 AM

KAVORKA: How is he losing?


Bilions of dollars lost in the Russian economy and sanctions have not even started. A faltering NATO suddenly finds some spine.
 
2014-03-19 10:41:10 AM
This is very similar to the argument I was making with the Mrs. last night about the Crimea crisis.  While the West has been coalescing around the self-determination ideals of modern Libralism, Russia has been trying to figure out how to best consolodate what power and influence it possibly can.  It just so happens that their fleet is parked in an ethnicly Russian place.  Military and cultural ties overlapped and historical claims (regardless of what we think about them) were sufficient to trust that such a move would stick.

The funny thing is that "the will of the people" across the world is straining existing borders of nation-states, leaving them succeptible to change to fit cultural and economic boudaries as opposed to lines on a map.  This is a much deeper issue for the world to grapple with than the political theater that orbits around an outdated cold war view.
 
2014-03-19 10:41:46 AM

LordJiro: way south: [dl.dropboxusercontent.com image 768x543]

"Putin's desperate, losing move will ultimately be overcome by the tides of history."

Translation: We're losing now, but someday it will look like we won.
History tends to not work that way.

/I want to see Putin go down in flames and I have no objection to Obama being the man who does it.
/But until we get a few W's up on the board I'm not convinced Obama can do it.

Russia's economy cannot handle serious sanctions from the EU/US, let alone a world war. Why should Obama do anything while Putin throws money down a hole just to wave his dick around? Never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake.


This
 
2014-03-19 10:42:01 AM

genner: I thought he was playing Risk....


SirEattonHogg: Remember Putin, the Ukraine is weak!


Onnnne second. Damn.
 
2014-03-19 10:42:28 AM

Rapmaster2000: Sorry, libbos, but Putin is a global chessmaster.  Russia is a strong and proud nation and its robust and diversified economy cannot be damaged by your so-called "sanctions".  Once Putin takes over all of Europe, your "leader" Homobama will be begging for mercy.  This is what happens when you elect someone that wears momjeans.


Hillary 2016
 
2014-03-19 10:42:31 AM

QuesoDelicioso: KAVORKA: How is he losing?

Maybe read the article? Short answer: NATO and the EU have whittled down his sphere of influence to the point that he has no choice but to undertake this conflict. While he does retain a goodly amount of residual strength, he is not acting from a position of strength.


This. He was cornered and he reacted.
He has apparently bought himself some breathing space and is in a slightly better position today than he was yesterday... but he is still losing the long game (if you want to perceive geopolitics as a zero sum game).
 
2014-03-19 10:42:58 AM

FlashHarry: that... was well-reasoned.


Very; wouldn't be surprised if the President viewed Ukraine situation in the same way.
 
2014-03-19 10:43:04 AM
Russia has over a 600 year history of being occupied. So this comes as no surprise. Not a cold war, but really uncomfortable for others who may have interests in he area. Sure a lot of analists may fret, and your armchair Internet "scholars" may speculate, citing B.S. web postings as "truth". Those of us a bit "longer in the tooth" have seen this before. No need to try to "edumicate" us, Dubya.
 
2014-03-19 10:43:04 AM
LordJiro:

Russia's economy cannot handle serious sanctions from the EU/US, let alone a world war. Why should Obama do anything while Putin throws money down a hole just to wave his dick around? Never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake.


Yeah, comprehensive trade sanctions against Russia would flatten their economy.  Natural Gas exports alone comprise nearly half of the Russian GDP.
 
2014-03-19 10:43:58 AM

LordJiro: Russia's economy cannot handle serious sanctions from the EU/US, let alone a world war. Why should Obama do anything while Putin throws money down a hole just to wave his dick around? Never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake.


The question is whether the EU is really willing to go along with such sanctions, at the cost of losing access to Russian oil/gas.  Perhaps it will be more palatable in the short term since winter is coming to a close now, in the hope that the situation can be resolved before the end of the year.
 
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