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2014-03-19 08:52:41 AM  
31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-19 09:07:05 AM  
I know this is an unpopular opinion around here, but I believe my circumcised, untrained, unvaccinated Pit Bull should be allowed to run free without the government forcing me to register him.
 
2014-03-19 09:48:24 AM  
Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.
 
2014-03-19 10:22:20 AM  
It's Penis Day on Fark!

/wait, isn't every day Penis Day on Fark?
 
2014-03-19 10:22:41 AM  
Oh man, a circumcision thread.

Well, let's just get this out of the way: It's a matter of taste which way is better. It's too bad most of us don't get to decide for ourselves if we're circumcised as babies. I personally think circumcised wieners are super hot and there's nothing better in the world than a nice clean, cut cawk. But that's my taste.
 
2014-03-19 10:23:15 AM  
Talk about barking up the wrong tree. Steve Jobs was the turtleneck guy.
 
2014-03-19 10:24:05 AM  
Penis trifecta... and it's a foreskin/circ thread.

www.my-favorite-coloring.net
 
2014-03-19 10:24:17 AM  
Now is not the time to lose our heads over this.
 
2014-03-19 10:24:50 AM  

hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.


dang if I can think of any problems it caused but I'm in time there will be some government funded study that will highlight all the problems it has caused us mutilated males.
 
2014-03-19 10:25:05 AM  
They wood.
 
2014-03-19 10:26:01 AM  

hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.


That might be a stupid opinion, but you are a worse person for not realizing that life = sex and foreskin = better sex.

So, really, circumcision is percentage of murder. I'm not sure what percentage because I've been circumcised, but I'm totally willing to have sex with black chicks and Asians until we arrive at some kind of objective measure of pleasure.
 
2014-03-19 10:26:05 AM  
Gee we don't have enough penis posts today.


ENOUGH already.
 
2014-03-19 10:26:07 AM  
I'm generally against circumcision, but a bunch of superstitious Africans raping babies to cure their AIDS is exactly the sort of population that would benefit from not having to think about washing their junk properly.
 
2014-03-19 10:26:49 AM  
It is fine if you want to top it off and remove a good deal of the pleasure inducing nerve ending, but don't pretend it has anything to do with the baby's health, but has to do with the hospital selling the foreskins to make a quick buck on skin transplants and beauty product companies that pay thousands of dollars per ounce for them.
 
2014-03-19 10:27:54 AM  

hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.


I don't feel like a victim, or damaged, or any of the other things you said. Cutting pieces off of your baby's genitalia because some desert tribe thought it was a good idea 3000 years ago is a farking stupid thing for a modern society to do.
 
2014-03-19 10:28:18 AM  
Canadian Foreskin Awareness Project?

CFAP?
 
2014-03-19 10:29:18 AM  

limeyfellow: It is fine if you want to top it off and remove a good deal of the pleasure inducing nerve ending, but don't pretend it has anything to do with the baby's health, but has to do with the hospital selling the foreskins to make a quick buck on skin transplants and beauty product companies that pay thousands of dollars per ounce for them.


Are you an anti-vaxxer too? I hear that pharma companies make lots of money off those, and really, it's just herd immunity. Why should your baby face risks just so that some old people and HIV sufferers don't die?
 
2014-03-19 10:29:48 AM  

Anayalator: Canadian Foreskin Awareness Project?

CFAP?


I can't C fapping to this.

I hate when I think of something better to say after the fact.
 
2014-03-19 10:29:56 AM  
Penis trifecta complete.  What do we win?
 
2014-03-19 10:30:46 AM  

Egoy3k: hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.

I don't feel like a victim, or damaged, or any of the other things you said. Cutting pieces off of your baby's genitalia because some desert tribe thought it was a good idea 3000 years ago is a farking stupid thing for a modern society to do.


Agreed. However, doing it because thousands of independent studies agree that there are medical benefits is a farking bright thing for a modern society to do:
For University of B.C. Medicine's Dr. Richard Lester, the evidence linking HIV and circumcision is nearly unanimous - "as clear as you really can get in medical research," the division of infectious diseases researcher said.
"It's actually one of the best-proven interventions for reducing HIV/AIDS transmission," he said.
 
2014-03-19 10:31:14 AM  
There are strange things done in the midnight sun/
By the men who mohel for gold...
 
2014-03-19 10:31:59 AM  

menschenfresser: Oh man, a circumcision thread.

Well, let's just get this out of the way: It's a matter of taste which way is better. It's too bad most of us don't get to decide for ourselves if we're circumcised as babies. I personally think circumcised wieners are super hot and there's nothing better in the world than a nice clean, cut cawk. But that's my taste.


static.comicvine.com
 
2014-03-19 10:33:53 AM  
So, they showed some uncut pictures of the crash scene?
 
2014-03-19 10:35:07 AM  

Waldo Pepper: hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.

dang if I can think of any problems it caused but I'm in time there will be some government funded study that will highlight all the problems it has caused us mutilated males.


To be fair, it's entirely possible that your life would have been greatly improved by the presence of an intact foreskin. You'd never know the difference unless somebody did a study to prove it because you, personally, have no way to make a comparison. For all you know a life with a foreskin could have lead you to massive fame and fortune and a life of complete bliss.

I don't see how that's very likely, though, nor can I imagine a scenario in which this outside possibility would consume enough of my thoughts to make me become an activist on the issue of my penis...

I guess some people just need a hobby, even if it's annoying everyone else about things that probably don't matter that much.
 
2014-03-19 10:35:16 AM  

Theaetetus: Egoy3k: hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.

I don't feel like a victim, or damaged, or any of the other things you said. Cutting pieces off of your baby's genitalia because some desert tribe thought it was a good idea 3000 years ago is a farking stupid thing for a modern society to do.

Agreed. However, doing it because thousands of independent studies agree that there are medical benefits is a farking bright thing for a modern society to do:
For University of B.C. Medicine's Dr. Richard Lester, the evidence linking HIV and circumcision is nearly unanimous - "as clear as you really can get in medical research," the division of infectious diseases researcher said.
"It's actually one of the best-proven interventions for reducing HIV/AIDS transmission," he said.


So we should cut bits off of babies because it's not quite as good at preventing AIDs as condoms are and can be made completely unnecessary by simply washing your dick?
 
2014-03-19 10:37:00 AM  
At pride festival Vancouver two years ago this group had a booth and the activist put 13 grapes under his foreskin. Yes you read that correctly.
 
2014-03-19 10:38:24 AM  

hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.


I have you favorited and normally enjoy your posts quite a bit, but I'd be pretty ticked if my parents had cut something off of me as a baby to save themselves a step while changing my diaper.  If they'd cut off a pinky toe it wouldn't have ruined my life, but I'd feel pretty betrayed, even if it were a cultural norm.

Not saying that all problems are caused by this, but I can understand people being kinda ticked off and trying to stop the practice.

/woman
//has no preference either way in what someone's packing
///won't cut a future son, but will pay for the surgery if he wants it later.
 
2014-03-19 10:39:46 AM  
Cut and perfectly happy.  In fact I'm glad I don't have more nerve endings or whatever, I perform quite well with what I have, and don't need more sensitivity getting in the way.

Plus girls typically prefer it that way, at least around here.
 
2014-03-19 10:40:20 AM  
rare genital mutilation trifecta in play
 
2014-03-19 10:40:47 AM  

plushpuppy: At pride festival Vancouver two years ago this group had a booth and the activist put 13 grapes under his foreskin. Yes you read that correctly.



To fool pick-pockets, that's also where he keeps his cash and credit cards.
 
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2014-03-19 10:44:07 AM  

doglover: That might be a stupid opinion, but you are a worse person for not realizing that life = sex and foreskin = better sex.


Yeah but the problem in men is that better sex = shorter sex.
 
2014-03-19 10:44:30 AM  

Freudian_slipknot: Not saying that all problems are caused by this, but I can understand people being kinda ticked off and trying to stop the practice.


It should be a personal preference by those parents in conjunction with a urologist or pediatric general surgeon, after having been informed of the pros and the cons. General Pediatricians and religious clergy have no business performing them, and the rate of complications and adverse events among GPs is too high (with an almost 0% rate among pedi urologists).

Egoy3k: I don't feel like a victim, or damaged, or any of the other things you said. Cutting pieces off of your baby's genitalia because some desert tribe thought it was a good idea 3000 years ago is a farking stupid thing for a modern society to do.


Hang around some of the anti-circumcision message boards on the internet. One of the most prevalent beliefs among them is that they were victimized by their parents for a decision that was made they can't even remember, or have no side effects or complications from. These people genuinely blame everything wrong with their lives on the fact that their foreskin was shortened by an inch. The worst of them (and this has been done in FARK threads too.) compare what happened to them with a straight face with Types I - III Female Genital Mutilation.

But you're absolutely right. However, there are benefits in select populations - and as in the case in TFA's situation, a MAJOR benefit in that it reduces the spread of HIV in sub-saharan countries.
 
2014-03-19 10:44:36 AM  

skozlaw: Waldo Pepper: hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.

dang if I can think of any problems it caused but I'm in time there will be some government funded study that will highlight all the problems it has caused us mutilated males.

To be fair, it's entirely possible that your life would have been greatly improved by the presence of an intact foreskin. You'd never know the difference unless somebody did a study to prove it because you, personally, have no way to make a comparison. For all you know a life with a foreskin could have lead you to massive fame and fortune and a life of complete bliss.

I don't see how that's very likely, though, nor can I imagine a scenario in which this outside possibility would consume enough of my thoughts to make me become an activist on the issue of my penis...

I guess some people just need a hobby, even if it's annoying everyone else about things that probably don't matter that much.


but we do know that over the course of my life I would have had to spend an extra hour washing around the foreskin had it not been cut. Looking down..make that 1/2 hour.
 
2014-03-19 10:45:50 AM  
What if you have fiveskin?  What then?
 
2014-03-19 10:46:20 AM  
Having a baby in a couple weeks (well actually my wife is technically) and we're getting him circumcised.
 
2014-03-19 10:48:05 AM  

Freudian_slipknot: hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.

I have you favorited and normally enjoy your posts quite a bit, but I'd be pretty ticked if my parents had cut something off of me as a baby to save themselves a step while changing my diaper.  If they'd cut off a pinky toe it wouldn't have ruined my life, but I'd feel pretty betrayed, even if it were a cultural norm.



Actually not circumcising saves you a step when changing a baby's diaper. The foreskin doesn't retract until about four so there's nothing extra to clean. Plus if you circumcise them at birth then you have to apply vaseline and make sure it doesn't get infected which is a lot more work.
 
2014-03-19 10:48:29 AM  

jfivealive: Having a baby in a couple weeks (well actually my wife is technically) and we're getting him circumcised.


need a sitter?

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-19 10:49:50 AM  
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3042320/

"Participants in a controlled trial of circumcision to reduce HIV incidence in Kisumu, Kenya were uncircumcised, HIV negative, sexually active men, aged 18-24 years, with a hemoglobin ≥9.0 mmol/L. Exclusion criteria included foreskin covering less than half the glans, a condition that might unduly increase surgical risks, or a medical indication for circumcision. Participants were randomized 1:1 to either immediate circumcision or delayed circumcision after 2 years (control group). Detailed evaluations occurred at 1, 3, 6, 12, 18, and 24 months.

"Adult male circumcision was not associated with sexual dysfunction. Circumcised men reported increased penile sensitivity and enhanced ease of reaching orgasm. These data indicate that integration of male circumcision into programs to reduce HIV risk is unlikely to adversely effect male sexual function."
 
2014-03-19 10:49:50 AM  

Egoy3k: Theaetetus: Egoy3k: hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.

I don't feel like a victim, or damaged, or any of the other things you said. Cutting pieces off of your baby's genitalia because some desert tribe thought it was a good idea 3000 years ago is a farking stupid thing for a modern society to do.

Agreed. However, doing it because thousands of independent studies agree that there are medical benefits is a farking bright thing for a modern society to do:
For University of B.C. Medicine's Dr. Richard Lester, the evidence linking HIV and circumcision is nearly unanimous - "as clear as you really can get in medical research," the division of infectious diseases researcher said.
"It's actually one of the best-proven interventions for reducing HIV/AIDS transmission," he said.

So we should cut bits off of babies because it's not quite as good at preventing AIDs as condoms are and can be made completely unnecessary by simply washing your dick?


I bet you argue for abstinence-only sex education, too.
 
2014-03-19 10:50:20 AM  

mr lawson: jfivealive: Having a baby in a couple weeks (well actually my wife is technically) and we're getting him circumcised.

need a sitter?


That's hilarious.
 
2014-03-19 10:50:21 AM  
ctrl-f "smegma"
phrase not found
 
2014-03-19 10:51:07 AM  

Egoy3k: Theaetetus: Egoy3k: hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.

I don't feel like a victim, or damaged, or any of the other things you said. Cutting pieces off of your baby's genitalia because some desert tribe thought it was a good idea 3000 years ago is a farking stupid thing for a modern society to do.

Agreed. However, doing it because thousands of independent studies agree that there are medical benefits is a farking bright thing for a modern society to do:
For University of B.C. Medicine's Dr. Richard Lester, the evidence linking HIV and circumcision is nearly unanimous - "as clear as you really can get in medical research," the division of infectious diseases researcher said.
"It's actually one of the best-proven interventions for reducing HIV/AIDS transmission," he said.

So we should cut bits off of babies because it's not quite as good at preventing AIDs as condoms are and can be made completely unnecessary by simply washing your dick?


Arguing reductio ad absurdum?  You're a bad debater and you should feel bad.  Well, at least we know you were beaten early in this argument.

/and should be beaten early often
 
2014-03-19 10:51:42 AM  

i253.photobucket.com

Nothing really fleshes out the "other skills and interests" portion of a resume quite like "foreskin activist."
 
2014-03-19 10:52:55 AM  

lepidoptera: Actually not circumcising saves you a step when changing a baby's diaper. The foreskin doesn't retract until about four so there's nothing extra to clean. Plus if you circumcise them at birth then you have to apply vaseline and make sure it doesn't get infected which is a lot more work.


Circumcised infants have a lower rate of UTI. While that might not seem like a big deal, UTIs can cause debilitating and fatal infections in young children and infants.

In the United States, the AAP has pretty much said "Yeah, there's a benefit, but also due to the risk of complications among pediatricians and non-surgical providers and the controversy, it should be a discussion in the first world between a parent and their physician, and there is no evidence to recommend routine circumcision 'just cause.'"
 
2014-03-19 10:53:05 AM  

brap: [i253.photobucket.com image 375x608]Nothing really fleshes out the "other skills and interests" portion of a resume quite like "foreskin activist."


Well, it's not like you can fit it into work experience: it's an unpaid position, without even any tips.
 
2014-03-19 10:54:22 AM  

hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.


It is?  I didn't get my son snipped because well, there's no need to. Don't gimme that HPV crap, either.
 
2014-03-19 10:54:35 AM  

hardinparamedic: In the United States, the AAP has pretty much said "Yeah, there's a benefit, but also due to the risk of complications among pediatricians and non-surgical providers and the controversy, it should be a discussion in the first world between a parent and their physician, and there is no evidence to recommend routine circumcision 'just cause.'"


Yeah. There appear to be some benefits, mostly on a herd immunity level (reduced rates of HIV transmission, reduced rates of cervical cancer, etc.), and there are some risks, and like any other procedure with risks and benefits, it's a decision to be made by the physician and parents.
 
2014-03-19 10:54:39 AM  

Waldo Pepper: skozlaw: Waldo Pepper: hardinparamedic: Yay! Male victim thread! Now we get to hear how all your problems in life were caused by your parents getting rid of your foreskin at birth.*

*not a straw man. This is a real and prevelant belief in the anti-circ community.

dang if I can think of any problems it caused but I'm in time there will be some government funded study that will highlight all the problems it has caused us mutilated males.

To be fair, it's entirely possible that your life would have been greatly improved by the presence of an intact foreskin. You'd never know the difference unless somebody did a study to prove it because you, personally, have no way to make a comparison. For all you know a life with a foreskin could have lead you to massive fame and fortune and a life of complete bliss.

I don't see how that's very likely, though, nor can I imagine a scenario in which this outside possibility would consume enough of my thoughts to make me become an activist on the issue of my penis...

I guess some people just need a hobby, even if it's annoying everyone else about things that probably don't matter that much.

but we do know that over the course of my life I would have had to spend an extra hour washing around the foreskin had it not been cut. Looking down..make that 1/2 hour.


Hey come on now it's your bar of soap and your dink and you wash it as fast as you like
 
2014-03-19 10:54:47 AM  

plushpuppy: At pride festival Vancouver two years ago this group had a booth and the activist put 13 grapes under his foreskin. Yes you read that correctly.


This is a mental disorder known as phimotic paraphilia, or sexual obsession with the foreskin and it is extraordinarily prevalent among the anti-circumcision crowd; some say that it's the true underpinnings of the activist movement. These men have become so sexually obsessed with foreskins(or lack thereof) that their sexual identity has assumed a crippling amount of their emotional resources and left them with the need to find a quasi-legitimate outlet for these feeling and to speak about them publicly and seek validation from society for what is, essentially, an unhealthy, disordered genital obsession.


I think it's closely related to the behaviors of MtF trans people with autogynephilia, who make the transition because of a sexual obsession of having a female body, and then insist that they be publicly catered to as women and wear female drag. If you could get anti-circs and AGP trans women in a room together they'd probably get along like a house on fire.
 
2014-03-19 10:56:53 AM  
ftfa: "I am hoping someday to do a TED Talk myself," Callender said.

Yeah, good luck with that.  Keep sending in those home-made tapes.  Just don't mix them up with the ones of you using your own tears as lubricant.
 
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