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2014-03-19 07:05:50 AM
Eh, I've never been an Apple fanboy, but I recognize what they do right. I've never once bought an Apple product and been disappointed that it didn't deliver what I anticipated. I don't consider Jobs anything more than a perfectionist (who could be a giant asshole, as many perfectionists often are) but I don't see Apple falling off anytime soon. Will they have another breakthrough like the iPod or the iPhone? Maybe not. But the company makes some decent products that I've been very happy with.
 
2014-03-19 07:48:54 AM
I don't think corporate profits are everything.

Steve Ballmer also presided over the largest profits in Microsoft's history, but it is widely acknowledged that Microsoft under Ballmer was nowhere near as dominant as it was under Gates.
 
2014-03-19 08:02:14 AM
The only Apple product I've used regularly is their Quicktime player and I thought it sucked donkey balls.
 
2014-03-19 08:13:43 AM
Apple fanboi reviews book written about the company that defines his life that isn't as complementary as he likes, so he bashes it.

Interesting twist.
 
2014-03-19 08:31:08 AM
Presided.
 
2014-03-19 08:34:17 AM

SmackLT: Eh, I've never been an Apple fanboy, but I recognize what they do right. I've never once bought an Apple product and been disappointed that it didn't deliver what I anticipated. I don't consider Jobs anything more than a perfectionist (who could be a giant asshole, as many perfectionists often are) but I don't see Apple falling off anytime soon. Will they have another breakthrough like the iPod or the iPhone? Maybe not. But the company makes some decent products that I've been very happy with.


I was virulently anti-Apple for years. I stuck with a Blackberry almost out of spite. Two years ago, my Blackberry died and my contract was up, so I finally bit the bullet and bought an iPhone. I've never looked back.

I question what more Apple can really do with its marquee products at this point, other than performance upgrades. At this point, any other hardware product is just porting the existing products onto another platform; we're not going to start strapping PipBoys to our arms or wearing Geordi LaForge iVisors, so what "breakthrough" is left?
 
2014-03-19 08:44:21 AM
I can't tell you what the future of Apple is going to be, but just because a company is producing profits now doesn't mean it's going to continue to do so in the future, especially in a fast-paced market like consumer electronics.  It depends on what you do with those profits -- are you going to invest in new products, or are you just going to give it all to your shareholders? I mean, Nokia and Blackberry were fantastically profitable companies until just a few years ago, but they're quickly becoming obsolete.
 
2014-03-19 08:49:16 AM

kronicfeld: SmackLT: Eh, I've never been an Apple fanboy, but I recognize what they do right. I've never once bought an Apple product and been disappointed that it didn't deliver what I anticipated. I don't consider Jobs anything more than a perfectionist (who could be a giant asshole, as many perfectionists often are) but I don't see Apple falling off anytime soon. Will they have another breakthrough like the iPod or the iPhone? Maybe not. But the company makes some decent products that I've been very happy with.

I was virulently anti-Apple for years. I stuck with a Blackberry almost out of spite. Two years ago, my Blackberry died and my contract was up, so I finally bit the bullet and bought an iPhone. I've never looked back.

I question what more Apple can really do with its marquee products at this point, other than performance upgrades. At this point, any other hardware product is just porting the existing products onto another platform; we're not going to start strapping PipBoys to our arms or wearing Geordi LaForge iVisors, so what "breakthrough" is left?


Rumors are circulating they are working on a device that can measure a lot of health vitals in (near) real time. O2 levels, blood glucose, etc. There is something terribly intriguing about having a tricorder on you at all times telling you you're about to have a diabetic episode (assuming you're diabetic).
 
2014-03-19 08:49:36 AM

kronicfeld: we're not going to start strapping PipBoys to our arms or wearing Geordi LaForge iVisors, so what "breakthrough" is left?


You never know.

Google just released its Android Wear API which is going to be released on smartwatches this summer, but may also be used for more exotic wearables like smart clothing with sensors built in.

cdn.pocketnow.com
i1.cdnds.net
 
2014-03-19 09:08:29 AM

RexTalionis: kronicfeld: we're not going to start strapping PipBoys to our arms or wearing Geordi LaForge iVisors, so what "breakthrough" is left?

You never know.

Google just released its Android Wear API which is going to be released on smartwatches this summer, but may also be used for more exotic wearables like smart clothing with sensors built in.

[cdn.pocketnow.com image 780x486]
[i1.cdnds.net image 300x225]


I'v been saying that as my child grows up (he's almost one) that I'm going to explain to him "So, you know all those books, movies, and TV shows where people are living "in the future"? Well, that's right now. This is "the future".
 
2014-03-19 09:11:10 AM

grinding_journalist: RexTalionis: kronicfeld: we're not going to start strapping PipBoys to our arms or wearing Geordi LaForge iVisors, so what "breakthrough" is left?

You never know.

Google just released its Android Wear API which is going to be released on smartwatches this summer, but may also be used for more exotic wearables like smart clothing with sensors built in.

[cdn.pocketnow.com image 780x486]
[i1.cdnds.net image 300x225]

I'v been saying that as my child grows up (he's almost one) that I'm going to explain to him "So, you know all those books, movies, and TV shows where people are living "in the future"? Well, that's right now. This is "the future".


media.apcmag.com

Totally gonna surf the 'net.
 
2014-03-19 09:26:34 AM
Asymco has broken out the number of phones, number of smartphones, revenues, and profit made by the major players over the last decade or so.

When it comes to profits, Apple is absolutely crushing the competition.

It's not even close.

www.asymco.com

That's graphed as absolute numbers on the left and as a percentage of the whole on the right.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-19 09:49:21 AM

BullBearMS: Asymco has broken out the number of phones, number of smartphones, revenues, and profit made by the major players over the last decade or so.

When it comes to profits, Apple is absolutely crushing the competition.

It's not even close.

[www.asymco.com image 850x1380]

That's graphed as absolute numbers on the left and as a percentage of the whole on the right.

[i.imgur.com image 500x278]


Interesting...thanks. So what I'm seeing is that Apple's iPhone shipments and revenues are modestly growing, but that it's extracting an outsized profit from each phone. With no apparent blockbusters on the visible horizon, I'm thinking it's time to sell my shares.
 
2014-03-19 09:58:02 AM

Muta: The only Apple product I've used regularly is their Quicktime player and I thought it sucked donkey balls.


so...?
 
2014-03-19 10:00:08 AM

BullBearMS: Asymco has broken out the number of phones, number of smartphones, revenues, and profit made by the major players over the last decade or so.

When it comes to profits, Apple is absolutely crushing the competition.

It's not even close.

[www.asymco.com image 850x1380]

That's graphed as absolute numbers on the left and as a percentage of the whole on the right.

[i.imgur.com image 500x278]


www.asymco.com

What's the trendline there, when it comes to profits and revenues, though?
 
2014-03-19 10:03:50 AM

BullBearMS: When it comes to profits, Apple is absolutely crushing the competition.

It's not even close.


I'm sure Ferrari does too. They put up $3.2B in revenue. GM put up $155.42B in revenue.

Soon enough Apple will return to their typical 2% market share. That just depends on someone besides Samsung getting a good variant out there, or Windows/Blackberry getting their shiat together.
 
2014-03-19 10:10:27 AM

BullBearMS: Asymco has broken out the number of phones, number of smartphones, revenues, and profit made by the major players over the last decade or so.

When it comes to profits, Apple is absolutely crushing the competition.

It's not even close.

[www.asymco.com image 850x1380]

That's graphed as absolute numbers on the left and as a percentage of the whole on the right.

[i.imgur.com image 500x278]


What that tells me is that Apple is commanding a price premium for their product.  I think most will agree that as a phone the iPhone is no better than other offerings, as an app platform it's on a par with Android devices and Windows is catching up.

Unless they have something new and unique, they will not be able to maintain those mark ups.  If I were to look at an iPhone vs. a Nokia 1020 there's no question which I'd go for.  The Lumia is $600 retail (32Gb) and the equivalent iPhone 5s is $750.  If you want a phablet, the 1520 is $550 retail.

Why would I pay A $150 to $200 premium for what is in most respects a lesser phone?

That's where Apple is at today.  Saying look at the current market share and current profit means jack, you can look at your own graphs and see how the mighty have fallen in the past.
 
2014-03-19 11:00:33 AM
kronicfeld:
I question what more Apple can really do with its marquee products at this point, other than performance upgrades. At this point, any other hardware product is just porting the existing products onto another platform; we're not going to start strapping PipBoys to our arms or wearing Geordi LaForge iVisors, so what "breakthrough" is left?

Eventually we'll all connect to a global network that simulates a better world through a wireless device embedded directly in our heads. Then in that world the cycle will begin again. The Apple of the virtual age will invent an app that simulates a smart phone that you carry around with you in the virtual world. It, too, will improve to the point where there is nothing more for it to do. Seeking new avenues of income, virtual Apple will devise a system where we all connect to a simulated global network that simulates an even better world through a simulated wireless device embedded directly in our simulated heads. Then in that world the cycle will begin again.

At some point a buffer overflow in the implementation of the original global network will end all human life.
 
2014-03-19 11:58:27 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Presided.


Perhaps the basement of Tim Cook's mansion contains a vault filled with Apple's cash reserves.
 
2014-03-19 12:31:30 PM

Bullseyed: BullBearMS: When it comes to profits, Apple is absolutely crushing the competition.

It's not even close.

I'm sure Ferrari does too. They put up $3.2B in revenue. GM put up $155.42B in revenue.

Soon enough Apple will return to their typical 2% market share. That just depends on someone besides Samsung getting a good variant out there, or Windows/Blackberry getting their shiat together.


It'd take, honestly, an Apple-in-the-90s miracle turnaround to save Blackberry, and if you believe anyone associated with Blackberry now or in the past has that kind of sheer business-sense you're kidding yourself.

I'll be frank: I'm not a fan of Android. It's "free" in the sense that your usage data is basically powering Google's ad network and I'm just wholly uncomfortable with that. I'm hoping with a new CEO, Microsoft gets some focus again and Windows Phone, stupid name and all, can start to make some serious inroads.
 
2014-03-19 12:43:25 PM
Apple is a fantastic company that inspired change and changed the way a lot of us do consumer electronics. No argument there. What frustrates the fark out of me is trying to discuss the stock with people who only really care about one stock. And they ask my opinion because I'm sort of into that shiat and watch the market pretty closely. But if I dare give AAPL a 'meh' at any given time and circumstance they get pissed and it turns into a 'why did you ask me then?' kind of thing. They make fantastic profits, but at this size and price it's getting pretty goddam hard to get profit growth, which is what drives the stock price of course. And with a simple index fund getting near 30% in the last year with much greater diversification and nowhere near the risk... but go ahead and buy aapl if that's what you want.

/no, I don't care what it was at when you bought it - that's really not the point.
 
2014-03-19 12:55:30 PM
Congratulations to all the engineers and sales people at Apple who earned 99% of that money.
 
2014-03-19 01:11:59 PM
kronicfeld:  At this point, any other hardware product is just porting the existing products onto another platform; we're not going to start strapping PipBoys to our arms

I dunno; an oversized watch-like smartphone that is about the size of a Pipboy (hopefully a bit smaller) might just sell.  I'm amazed that it's now common for people to walk around all day with a Bluetooth earpiece in their ear; many people are embracing tech devices now that would scream NERD just a few years back.
 
2014-03-19 01:49:00 PM

kronicfeld: SmackLT: Eh, I've never been an Apple fanboy, but I recognize what they do right. I've never once bought an Apple product and been disappointed that it didn't deliver what I anticipated. I don't consider Jobs anything more than a perfectionist (who could be a giant asshole, as many perfectionists often are) but I don't see Apple falling off anytime soon. Will they have another breakthrough like the iPod or the iPhone? Maybe not. But the company makes some decent products that I've been very happy with.

I was virulently anti-Apple for years. I stuck with a Blackberry almost out of spite. Two years ago, my Blackberry died and my contract was up, so I finally bit the bullet and bought an iPhone. I've never looked back.

I question what more Apple can really do with its marquee products at this point, other than performance upgrades. At this point, any other hardware product is just porting the existing products onto another platform; we're not going to start strapping PipBoys to our arms or wearing Geordi LaForge iVisors, so what "breakthrough" is left?


You people are badly underestimating Google Glass. In 10 years, it will be required wearing. Like ties were in the 50s. You'll have ten different frames, each with 20 skins. Unless Apple is working on this right now, they will be left behind.
 
2014-03-19 01:57:07 PM
rumpelstiltskin:
You people are badly underestimating Google Glass. In 10 years, it will be required wearing. Like ties were in the 50s. You'll have ten different frames, each with 20 skins. Unless Apple is working on this right now, they will be left behind.

I suspect they are. You will start every sentence with "Apple" thereby giving until free advertising and subliminal thoughts to people who hear "Apple" being spoken constantly. It will be called AppleTalk
 
2014-03-19 02:25:11 PM

Mr. Eugenides: What that tells me is that Apple is commanding a price premium for their product.  I think most will agree that as a phone the iPhone is no better than other offerings, as an app platform it's on a par with Android devices and Windows is catching up.


A, no, and B, Apple isn't charging a huge premium. A mobile smartphone is a 600+ dollar device. Same if you're buying the 5s, the Galaxy 5 or any of the other higher-quality phones.  It doesn't matter that you CAN buy one for 400$ - with lower technology, older specs and OS, ect.

THe high end will stay the same. And right now, Apple is selling a lot of phones and absolutely crushing on profits.

In other words, Apple will continue making lots of money for the
foreseeable future.

swaxhog: rumpelstiltskin:
You people are badly underestimating Google Glass. In 10 years, it will be required wearing. Like ties were in the 50s. You'll have ten different frames, each with 20 skins. Unless Apple is working on this right now, they will be left behind.

I suspect they are. You will start every sentence with "Apple" thereby giving until free advertising and subliminal thoughts to people who hear "Apple" being spoken constantly. It will be called AppleTalk


Ummm....
 
2014-03-19 03:23:17 PM
Profits are nice and all, but there have been a number of bugs in iOS7 and Mavericks that, while not unexpected from the average tech company, are pretty unusual for Apple. For the first time, I couldn't be sure that my ios device was going to do what it is supposed to do when I need it. The fix came out and fixed the "resprings", but added other bugs with music and movie playing.

I buy Apple products even though they are usually a year or so behind on the latest technologies because I am a busy guy and I just want to know that the tool will work when I need it to work. Apple needs to concentrate on getting the quality back up.
 
2014-03-19 03:52:41 PM

saintstryfe: Mr. Eugenides: What that tells me is that Apple is commanding a price premium for their product. I think most will agree that as a phone the iPhone is no better than other offerings, as an app platform it's on a par with Android devices and Windows is catching up.

A, no, and B, Apple isn't charging a huge premium. A mobile smartphone is a 600+ dollar device. Same if you're buying the 5s, the Galaxy 5 or any of the other higher-quality phones. It doesn't matter that you CAN buy one for 400$ - with lower technology, older specs and OS, ect.THe high end will stay the same. And right now, Apple is selling a lot of phones and absolutely crushing on profits.In other words, Apple will continue making lots of money for theforeseeable future.


You're saying that as a phone the iPhone is better than anything else?  In what measureable sense?

As for the iPhone 5S to the Nokia 1020 how about comparing it to the just released Nokia Icon.  Again, $700 retail to $550 retail.

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/cmpn/Nokia-lumia-Icon#compare-spec s

Tell me again how the iPhone isn't overpriced.
 
2014-03-19 04:28:03 PM

RexTalionis: I don't think corporate profits are everything.

Steve Ballmer also presided over the largest profits in Microsoft's history, but it is widely acknowledged that Microsoft under Ballmer was nowhere near as dominant as it was under Gates.


Something something consent decree.
 
2014-03-19 05:21:26 PM

CastIronStove: kronicfeld:
I question what more Apple can really do with its marquee products at this point, other than performance upgrades. At this point, any other hardware product is just porting the existing products onto another platform; we're not going to start strapping PipBoys to our arms or wearing Geordi LaForge iVisors, so what "breakthrough" is left?

Eventually we'll all connect to a global network that simulates a better world through a wireless device embedded directly in our heads. Then in that world the cycle will begin again. The Apple of the virtual age will invent an app that simulates a smart phone that you carry around with you in the virtual world. It, too, will improve to the point where there is nothing more for it to do. Seeking new avenues of income, virtual Apple will devise a system where we all connect to a simulated global network that simulates an even better world through a simulated wireless device embedded directly in our simulated heads. Then in that world the cycle will begin again.

At some point a buffer overflow in the implementation of the original global network will end all human life.


sharetv.org


fishsticktheatre.com
 
2014-03-19 05:24:03 PM

MightyPez: kronicfeld: SmackLT: Eh, I've never been an Apple fanboy, but I recognize what they do right. I've never once bought an Apple product and been disappointed that it didn't deliver what I anticipated. I don't consider Jobs anything more than a perfectionist (who could be a giant asshole, as many perfectionists often are) but I don't see Apple falling off anytime soon. Will they have another breakthrough like the iPod or the iPhone? Maybe not. But the company makes some decent products that I've been very happy with.

I was virulently anti-Apple for years. I stuck with a Blackberry almost out of spite. Two years ago, my Blackberry died and my contract was up, so I finally bit the bullet and bought an iPhone. I've never looked back.

I question what more Apple can really do with its marquee products at this point, other than performance upgrades. At this point, any other hardware product is just porting the existing products onto another platform; we're not going to start strapping PipBoys to our arms or wearing Geordi LaForge iVisors, so what "breakthrough" is left?

Rumors are circulating they are working on a device that can measure a lot of health vitals in (near) real time. O2 levels, blood glucose, etc. There is something terribly intriguing about having a tricorder on you at all times telling you you're about to have a diabetic episode (assuming you're diabetic).


They reportedly looked into it, but evidently the technology just isn't there yet to get an accurate read on blood gluclose through optoelectronics.    But yes, they are reportedly looking into heart rate and O2 for their "iWatch".
 
2014-03-19 06:10:00 PM

xsarien: Bullseyed: BullBearMS: When it comes to profits, Apple is absolutely crushing the competition.

It's not even close.

I'm sure Ferrari does too. They put up $3.2B in revenue. GM put up $155.42B in revenue.

Soon enough Apple will return to their typical 2% market share. That just depends on someone besides Samsung getting a good variant out there, or Windows/Blackberry getting their shiat together.

It'd take, honestly, an Apple-in-the-90s miracle turnaround to save Blackberry, and if you believe anyone associated with Blackberry now or in the past has that kind of sheer business-sense you're kidding yourself.

I'll be frank: I'm not a fan of Android. It's "free" in the sense that your usage data is basically powering Google's ad network and I'm just wholly uncomfortable with that. I'm hoping with a new CEO, Microsoft gets some focus again and Windows Phone, stupid name and all, can start to make some serious inroads.


Pretty clear you don't really know what you're talking about here...


And the "miracle" that saved Apple was Bill Gates giving them free money to keep MS from getting dinged for being a monopoly.
 
2014-03-19 06:12:20 PM

GameSprocket: Profits are nice and all, but there have been a number of bugs in iOS7 and Mavericks that, while not unexpected from the average tech company, are pretty unusual for Apple.


Every Apple store has a tech support desk that is so busy you have to book appointments in advance and wait in line. Bug free is definitely something Apple is not and never has been.
 
2014-03-19 08:04:15 PM
Profits based on charging $100 for a $11 part.
 
2014-03-19 08:37:10 PM

sparkeyjames: Profits based on charging $100 for a $11 part.


This is really the core problem for Apple currently.   They maintain a wide price gap in mobile devices while the functionality gap keeps shrinking.  That's why they're under constant pressure to invent "game changers" to keep differentiating themselves.
 
2014-03-20 12:20:50 AM

fatalvenom: Apple fanboi reviews book written about the company that defines his life that isn't as complementary as he likes, so he bashes it.

Interesting twist.


Yeah buddy, parroting lame anti-Apple propaganda really makes you look smart.
 
2014-03-20 07:05:42 AM
saintstryfe:

Ummm....

31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-20 07:08:00 AM

GameSprocket: Profits are nice and all, but there have been a number of bugs in iOS7 and Mavericks that, while not unexpected from the average tech company, are pretty unusual for Apple. For the first time, I couldn't be sure that my ios device was going to do what it is supposed to do when I need it. The fix came out and fixed the "resprings", but added other bugs with music and movie playing.

I buy Apple products even though they are usually a year or so behind on the latest technologies because I am a busy guy and I just want to know that the tool will work when I need it to work. Apple needs to concentrate on getting the quality back up.


Tell me about it. My wife has a 5c and somehow a thumbnail got corrupted and brought the photos app to its knees, and then the camera itself wouldn't even open. Called Apple support and they told us to restart phone. That didn't work, so we tried to back it up via itunes, so we could update it, tech support thought maybe that'd fix it. ITunes refused to back up the phone. Apple support basically laughed at us at that point and told us he couldn't help us.

After trying to get iTunes to work for a few hours, I convinced my wife to ignore Apple, googled the problem, and after thirty minutes of searching, found which files to delete off the phone and a program that'd let me browse files on the phone, and fixed it.

ITunes still won't connect. Icloud only has 5 Gigs of free data, so I finally convinced my wife to download g+, so she has tons of backup space for her phone, and after ios 7 ruined her iphone 4, and this ridiculous fiasco, I think I've finally convinced her to get an android phone, so she can get a phone that's much better than an iphone that's tons cheaper as well.

She can get a phone with double the storage, double the ram, and with 30% more PPI for a couple hundred dollars cheaper.
 
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