Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Fox News)   Arizona conservationists spend $150,000 to airlift 31 bighorn sheep onto new reservation with thriving mountain lion population. Guess what happens   (foxnews.com) divider line 111
    More: Dumbass, Fish Department, western U.S., wildlife officials, Center for Biological Diversity, conservation, exact science  
•       •       •

9190 clicks; posted to Main » on 19 Mar 2014 at 12:37 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



111 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest
 
2014-03-18 11:56:05 PM  
nom nom nom
 
2014-03-19 12:39:44 AM  

Hobodeluxe: nom nom nom


...what I get for not using my TF on a regular basis....

[hiss]
 
2014-03-19 12:41:58 AM  
You get happy mountain lions.

Wait, you mean they weren't supposed to eat all of them? Well, figure out a cheaper way to get them in, and plant cameras.
 
2014-03-19 12:42:24 AM  
Well, if history tells us anything, the sheep and the mountain lions formed communities based on mutual respect and friendship. They quickly learned to set aside their differences and even built schools and churches where any species could attend without fear of being eaten.
 
2014-03-19 12:43:07 AM  
The mountain lion's enemies aren't all innocent subby.

img4.wikia.nocookie.net /Hail Satan
 
2014-03-19 12:44:20 AM  
They fix the cable?
 
2014-03-19 12:46:51 AM  
www.hoax-slayer.com

Soon ...
 
2014-03-19 12:46:51 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-19 12:50:05 AM  
o_O
 
2014-03-19 12:50:16 AM  
Where's the goat bighorn sheep?

jp.popapostle.com
 
2014-03-19 12:50:41 AM  
Are you completely sure it wasn't just the lunch truck (okay, lunch choppah) for the cougars?
 
2014-03-19 12:53:06 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: The mountain lion's enemies aren't all innocent subby.

/Hail Satan


Yay Blood Orgy!
 
2014-03-19 12:56:28 AM  
♪ It's the cirrrrrcle of liiiiiife♪
 
2014-03-19 12:56:43 AM  
150K to move 31 sheep? Who'd they have watching 'em, these guys?

www.slantmagazine.com
 
2014-03-19 12:58:18 AM  
I mean, without reading the article, if it's an attempt to get a population going with some hope that they'll spread, $150k is a small amount of money to spend.

If there's a 10% chance of it working, and you do this 10 times, maybe you reintroduce an animal into an area for $1.5m.

A bunch of those are going to fail, and then someone can be all "you wasted money doing science!"

Again, without reading the article.  This could also just be some dumb guy saying "hey I want sheep here."
 
M-G
2014-03-19 01:01:32 AM  
Maybe they should hire these guys....

animationreview.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-19 01:01:36 AM  
They should be okay......I heard that the majority of cougars live in Scottsdale.
 
2014-03-19 01:06:19 AM  

SquiggsIN: Oldiron_79: DarkSoulNoHope: The mountain lion's enemies aren't all innocent subby.

/Hail Satan

Yay Blood Orgy!



... something something Sandstorm


I don't think sandstorm was playing in that scene but you couldn't avoid that song for about 10 years after it came out.
 
2014-03-19 01:10:19 AM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: They fix the cable?


Came for this meme, leaving happy.
 
2014-03-19 01:14:41 AM  
Killing mountain lions to protect the sheep is a dumb idea, that screws with the sustainability of the mountain lion population. Shouldn't they just expect some of the sheep to die? I thought that was how things worked when you were trying to reintroduce a population.
 
2014-03-19 01:14:45 AM  
Why so expensive?  Were they airlifted?

How about putting the sheep in the back of a truck and dropping them off where they need to be?
 
2014-03-19 01:15:23 AM  
ah..shiat.. it says right there they were airlifted.  Nevermind
 
2014-03-19 01:22:12 AM  
Dinner happens.
 
2014-03-19 01:22:36 AM  
I dunno, but I'll be goddamned if I'm going to lick Rupert Murdoch taint to find out.
 
2014-03-19 01:23:01 AM  
+1 internet for me for not saying "He fixes the cable".
 
2014-03-19 01:25:06 AM  
global.fncstatic.com

/young Fakers, I am disappoint. Why is no one talking about the most interesting part of that article?
 
2014-03-19 01:26:32 AM  

worlddan: [global.fncstatic.com image 156x195]

/young Fakers, I am disappoint. Why is no one talking about the most interesting part of that article?


She probably voted for Romney.
 
2014-03-19 01:28:15 AM  
Nature? Like every time they do it?
 
Juc
2014-03-19 01:28:32 AM  
if they want a stable sustainable population I woulda figured that you'd have needed more if you're trying to repopulate a prey animal at least.
 
2014-03-19 01:31:30 AM  

Juc: if they want a stable sustainable population I woulda figured that you'd have needed more if you're trying to repopulate a prey animal at least.


That is what I was think. 31 sheep do not a useful population make.  Seriously did no one study the rate of predation in flock where cougars were native?
 
2014-03-19 01:33:18 AM  
C'mon fark - don't disappoint Son...  This was the GWB - no sheep left behind legacy.  Sometime bout the year of Unicorn, -0008.
 
2014-03-19 01:35:40 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-19 01:36:21 AM  
Well - they are do great guns conserving the mountain lions.

Two thumbs up.
 
2014-03-19 01:39:05 AM  
Democracy: a hill full of mountain lions eating over half of 31 sheep.

--Rand Paul
 
2014-03-19 01:39:44 AM  
Was it real money or "fungible" money?
 
2014-03-19 01:45:19 AM  

worlddan: [global.fncstatic.com image 156x195]

/young Fakers, I am disappoint. Why is no one talking about the most interesting part of that article?


I like the way you think
 
2014-03-19 01:47:45 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Soon ...


What? They got their sack caught in the wooden chair?

Oh... the mountain lion! Nevermind.
 
2014-03-19 01:49:13 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: [www.hoax-slayer.com image 400x300]

Soon ...


Forget that lurking cougar, that slatted chair will be your doom!
 
2014-03-19 01:49:39 AM  
Why not just send a bunch of young men for those cougars?
 
2014-03-19 01:50:33 AM  

wildcardjack: You get happy mountain lions.

Wait, you mean they weren't supposed to eat all of them? Well, figure out a cheaper way to get them in, and plant cameras.


They only ate like, half of them.

/Natural selection at work
 
2014-03-19 01:51:05 AM  
"All we're doing is removing mountain lions that prey on bighorn sheep in the best habitat area for those sheep," he said, adding that the mountain lion population is "not only healthy, it's thriving and expanding."

Really?  No kidding?  Because it's not like you're essentially bringing them takeout meals or anything.  A predator food source spikes in numbers and the predator population spikes with it.
 
2014-03-19 01:55:34 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Why not just send a bunch of young men for those cougars?


www.dailyhaha.com
 
2014-03-19 02:10:24 AM  
Maybe they weren't sheep conservationists. Maybe they were mountain lion conservationists. Ever think of that?
 
2014-03-19 02:10:59 AM  

Canton: wildcardjack: You get happy mountain lions.

Wait, you mean they weren't supposed to eat all of them? Well, figure out a cheaper way to get them in, and plant cameras.

They only ate like, half of them.

/Natural selection at work


Unfortunately it was planned by a Creationist who thought the animals should go two by two, and all the males were eaten.
 
2014-03-19 02:25:09 AM  
Conservationists are farking CLUELESS when it comes to how nature actually works!
 
2014-03-19 02:38:24 AM  
Sounds like they might need to take out some more mountain lions to get a sustainable herd going. I'm sure that will go over well.

/You break it, you buy it, I guess.
 
2014-03-19 02:39:10 AM  

worlddan: [global.fncstatic.com image 156x195]

/young Fakers, I am disappoint. Why is no one talking about the most interesting part of that article?


Ha!  Came here to say THIS.  I'd much rather look at her than a picture of sheep.  As a bonus, she knows how to write.  Very good with the commas and hyphens.  She even tosses in an em dash.
 
2014-03-19 02:48:57 AM  

SquiggsIN: It's really too bad the sinful humans ruined it for the rest of the world's animals (like sheep).  I learned at this museum in Kentucky that all the animals used to be vegetarians a few thousand years ago.  Maybe we could retrain the mountain lions to graze like the sheep?


static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-03-19 03:00:19 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-19 03:10:05 AM  

7FARK7: Conservationists are farking CLUELESS when it comes to how nature actually works!


i.imgur.com
Can't speak for others, but I once worked for 3 months on a grant-funded vegetation biodiversity study for these guys. They were certainly on the ball.
 
2014-03-19 03:14:22 AM  

untaken_name: Maybe they weren't sheep conservationists. Maybe they were mountain lion conservationists. Ever think of that?


Ooh. I see what ewe did there...
 
2014-03-19 03:15:58 AM  
So many keyboard conservation experts here.

It's a FOX NEWS FARKING ARTICLE FOR FARK'S SAKE.

Doesn't that say something?
 
2014-03-19 03:20:00 AM  
Sees choppah

Oh look, they do delivery now.
 
2014-03-19 03:23:59 AM  

SquiggsIN: 7FARK7: Conservationists are farking CLUELESS when it comes to how nature actually works!

we should always look to oil&gas companies for cues on how nature works, right?


If only there were other choices besides those two. Oh, well. Since there aren't, I guess we'll have to pick one.
 
2014-03-19 03:24:40 AM  

whidbey: So many keyboard conservation experts here.

It's a FOX NEWS FARKING ARTICLE FOR FARK'S SAKE.

Doesn't that say something?


I'm sure it's entirely true.

"Let's put some bighorn sheep into an area where they belong. Oh, predators? Well, the predators are where THEY belong already, the predators will eat the sheep like they're supposed to, it will be perfect!"

You have no idea how many soft-hearted and soft-headed animal rights activists I know--and know well--who would think EXACTLY like this; and who would have had hissy fits (to say the least) about culling the mountain lion population before introducing those 31 sheep to make sure the rest of the ecosystem survived.

31 sheep, assuming, say three breeding pairs of lions, is nothing more than a weekend snack.
 
2014-03-19 03:27:02 AM  

wildcardjack: Canton: wildcardjack: You get happy mountain lions.

Wait, you mean they weren't supposed to eat all of them? Well, figure out a cheaper way to get them in, and plant cameras.

They only ate like, half of them.

/Natural selection at work

Unfortunately it was planned by a Creationist who thought the animals should go two by two, and all the males were eaten.


Thought it was seven by seven for the "clean" animals. Still a derpy strategy for polygamous ungulates, though.

/Pretty sure one healthy ram could service a herd of 30 ewes
//If they were into it
///Hope they sent a backup ram
 
2014-03-19 04:05:07 AM  
Can't decide which meme is more applicable here:

.....Hilarity ensues

OR

Your mountain lion wants way more than steak
 
2014-03-19 04:19:42 AM  
Damn those Arizona conservationists! First they wanted to get rid of The Gays now they are killing off poor defenseless sheep!
 
2014-03-19 04:19:47 AM  

whidbey: I dunno, but I'll be goddamned if I'm going to lick Rupert Murdoch taint to find out.


wipe the spittle from the corners of your mouth
 
2014-03-19 04:51:08 AM  
www.theskinnyc.com
 
2014-03-19 05:00:46 AM  

Gyrfalcon: whidbey: So many keyboard conservation experts here.

It's a FOX NEWS FARKING ARTICLE FOR FARK'S SAKE.

Doesn't that say something?

I'm sure it's entirely true.

"Let's put some bighorn sheep into an area where they belong. Oh, predators? Well, the predators are where THEY belong already, the predators will eat the sheep like they're supposed to, it will be perfect!"

You have no idea how many soft-hearted and soft-headed animal rights activists I know--and know well--who would think EXACTLY like this; and who would have had hissy fits (to say the least) about culling the mountain lion population before introducing those 31 sheep to make sure the rest of the ecosystem survived.

31 sheep, assuming, say three breeding pairs of lions, is nothing more than a weekend snack.


Not sure if trolled. If not, occasionally you really do reveal a conservative streak. Anyway, not checking the article, but I assume it was a Federal Agency doing this (hence the Fox Derpery).

Yeah they're a bunch of PETA people freeing the animals. My bad. ;-p
 
2014-03-19 05:10:17 AM  

Gyrfalcon: whidbey: So many keyboard conservation experts here.

It's a FOX NEWS FARKING ARTICLE FOR FARK'S SAKE.

Doesn't that say something?

I'm sure it's entirely true.

"Let's put some bighorn sheep into an area where they belong. Oh, predators? Well, the predators are where THEY belong already, the predators will eat the sheep like they're supposed to, it will be perfect!"

You have no idea how many soft-hearted and soft-headed animal rights activists I know--and know well--who would think EXACTLY like this; and who would have had hissy fits (to say the least) about culling the mountain lion population before introducing those 31 sheep to make sure the rest of the ecosystem survived.

31 sheep, assuming, say three breeding pairs of lions, is nothing more than a weekend snack.


Well, it would be natural if we were still dealing with a natural environment. Even if the mountain lions were temporarily culled they would come back to eat big horn in unsustainable numbers if that is already the situation without the cull.

Bighorn's biggest defense against kitties is going where they can't. Either living on rock faces to rugged for mountain lions to effectively hunt or places without enough water. Water is a limiting resource for bighorn (and deer) so state agencies and federal officials who wanted to bolster big game populations have added water guzzlers all over the desert. Problem is that while water maybe a limiting resource for bighorn it is a much bigger issue for lions. Bighorn can go weeks without water while mountain lions need to drink daily so while there used to be large areas in the desert where mountain lions (and coyotes) did not have regular access to but were accessible by bighorn, that is no longer the case.
 
2014-03-19 05:24:02 AM  

7FARK7: Conservationists are farking CLUELESS when it comes to how nature actually works!


Exhibit A, of full retard
 
2014-03-19 05:37:34 AM  

Thorny: Gyrfalcon: whidbey: So many keyboard conservation experts here.

It's a FOX NEWS FARKING ARTICLE FOR FARK'S SAKE.

Doesn't that say something?

I'm sure it's entirely true.

"Let's put some bighorn sheep into an area where they belong. Oh, predators? Well, the predators are where THEY belong already, the predators will eat the sheep like they're supposed to, it will be perfect!"

You have no idea how many soft-hearted and soft-headed animal rights activists I know--and know well--who would think EXACTLY like this; and who would have had hissy fits (to say the least) about culling the mountain lion population before introducing those 31 sheep to make sure the rest of the ecosystem survived.

31 sheep, assuming, say three breeding pairs of lions, is nothing more than a weekend snack.

Well, it would be natural if we were still dealing with a natural environment. Even if the mountain lions were temporarily culled they would come back to eat big horn in unsustainable numbers if that is already the situation without the cull.

Bighorn's biggest defense against kitties is going where they can't. Either living on rock faces to rugged for mountain lions to effectively hunt or places without enough water. Water is a limiting resource for bighorn (and deer) so state agencies and federal officials who wanted to bolster big game populations have added water guzzlers all over the desert. Problem is that while water maybe a limiting resource for bighorn it is a much bigger issue for lions. Bighorn can go weeks without water while mountain lions need to drink daily so while there used to be large areas in the desert where mountain lions (and coyotes) did not have regular access to but were accessible by bighorn, that is no longer the case.


I'm not familiar with the area but I will take a guess at there being a very healthy deer population that has been supporting the mountain lions. I wonder if anyone has though about reducing the number of deer hunting permits until the bighorn population gets established.

But yeah, I see your point. Artificially giving the critters a new water source is going to upset the balance and make things unpredictable.
 
2014-03-19 05:52:07 AM  
This article brought to you by PETA....Predators Eating Tasty Animals
 
2014-03-19 05:58:25 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Soon ...


Needs a "Tonight. You." Caption. It's up to the viewer to think if the mountain lion or the slatted chair is making said threat.
 
2014-03-19 05:59:46 AM  
Eh, Bighorns are naturally somewhat more mobile, travel in larger groups, and in a pinch have the whole horn/charge thing.  Plus, they're native to North America and existed in areas with cougar populations for quite a while.

If we get the population balance right they should be fine.  May also need to make sure they have mountains 'n shiat to hide in and so on.

// Cats typically have fairly large ranges, comparatively, so they may not be able to control the entire area the cougars inhabit.
 
2014-03-19 06:09:32 AM  
He fixes the cable?
 
2014-03-19 06:17:50 AM  
dumbass humans...
 
2014-03-19 06:19:27 AM  

SquiggsIN: It's really too bad the sinful humans ruined it for the rest of the world's animals (like sheep).  I learned at this museum in Kentucky that all the animals used to be vegetarians a few thousand years ago.  Maybe we could retrain the mountain lions to graze like the sheep?


I'm not sure what you expect them to graze on in Arizona. Its not like that state is known for it's grassy fields.
 
2014-03-19 06:28:22 AM  
...their population dropped dramatically over the past 100 years -- for reasons biologists continue to study, such as disease, fires or loss of water source.

They're bringing in sheep to an area where sheep are dying off like crazy, and they don't really know why yet? That seems like a really bad idea.  What if the underlying problem is loss of water source (with mountain lions picking off the weakened ones)?  "Here you go, sheep. Here's your new home.  You won't find enough water to live.  Enjoy!"
 
2014-03-19 06:52:24 AM  
Article is missing info. Why is the cougar population in this area so robust? What were they feeding on before the easy meat became available.

Also, did the introduced sheep have any experience with cougars, or predators in general?

I'd like to think the conservationists know what they're doing, but if they dropped 30 something naïve sheep into an area filled with cougars that need to chase down fast and skittish deer for lunch...what did they think was going to happen?
 
2014-03-19 07:14:50 AM  
I used to work at an office in the Catalina foothills.  I had an all-glass-walled corner office.  One day I'm at my desk, and a momma bobcat, about 40lbs, and her cub came slinking by. I tapped on the window and momma gave me the bobcat scream.  If cell phones with camera's existed then, I would have snapped a pic.
 
2014-03-19 07:16:38 AM  
Silly hippies, your antics never fail to amuse me!
 
2014-03-19 07:21:48 AM  
Man, the mountain lions have a better takeout guy than I do.
 
2014-03-19 07:32:41 AM  

what_now: Man, the mountain lions have a better takeout guy than I do.


There's nothing stopping you from running down a sheep, killing it with your bare claws and teeth and then eating it raw, there and then.
 
2014-03-19 07:39:57 AM  
For all that it sounds really awful, it sounds like the rest of the sheep may have learned how not to get eaten.

That's important.
 
2014-03-19 08:08:22 AM  
My best guess is "a flat broke government just blew 150,000.00 on mountain lion chow while it's citizenry are sweating the rent?"
 
2014-03-19 08:42:02 AM  
The issue, say Arizona wildlife officials and biologists, is a complex one.

This should really bring out the Dunning-Krugers.
 
2014-03-19 08:49:54 AM  

fozziewazzi: Article is missing info. Why is the cougar population in this area so robust? What were they feeding on before the easy meat became available.

Also, did the introduced sheep have any experience with cougars, or predators in general?

I'd like to think the conservationists know what they're doing, but if they dropped 30 something naïve sheep into an area filled with cougars that need to chase down fast and skittish deer for lunch...what did they think was going to happen?


Any time you move an animal into an unfamiliar area, they are going to be extremely vulnerable until they become familiar with their new "home." Many times they return to their old territory, or die trying. Unless you're trying to naturally select for a lot of traits that are otherwise strongly selected against, moving wild animals around as if similar environments are fully interchangeable will kill a lot more animals than you save.

/and a lot of idiots try to pretend things don't work like that
//because they want to believe they can do no harm
///Because They Care
 
2014-03-19 08:50:53 AM  
I would love to go on a big horn sheep hunt. Don't really have much to add, but I think it'd be a hell of a time.

/hunters are the best conservationists.
//except mountain lions, apparently.
 
2014-03-19 08:58:47 AM  
uuuh...nature. Nature happens. Nothing to see here.
 
2014-03-19 09:19:21 AM  
Hurr hurr hurrr stupid people carin bout stuff hurr hurr hurrr
 
2014-03-19 09:27:05 AM  
I don't see what the problem is...

Well fed mountain lions in Arizona spark controversy over conservation effort

The first phase of a three-year plan by Arizona wildlife officials to supplement the diets of mountain lions has resulted in the death of half the big horn sheep population, after the 31 mountain lions were transplanted at a cost of $150,000 into the Catalina Mountains where mountain lions killed 15 of the protected species within a few months.

Some animal welfare groups are pushing for an end to the project, but wildlife officials say the nutritional value of the sheep is a success and expect the projected $600,000, three-year plan to result in greater numbers of satiated mountain lions in an area where they once co-existed with sheep for centuries.

The issue, say Arizona wildlife officials and biologists, is a complex one.

Mountain lions, a gregarious, pack-forming species, once thrived in large numbers across the western U.S. until their population dropped dramatically over the past 100 years -- for reasons biologists continue to study, such as disease, fires or loss of water source. Wildlife officials in Arizona estimate the current count to be around 6,000 in the state, and they are working with conservationists to rebuild a population that disappeared from the Tucson range in the 1990s.

Last November, the Arizona Game and Fish Department implemented the first phase of a three-year plan to transplant the creatures from the Yuma area into the Catalinas, where they once lived. Wildlife officials in the state said they spent $150,000 -- none of which was taxpayer money -- to catch 31 lions by helicopter, place satellite transmitter collars on them and transport the pack to the Santa Catalina Mountains just north of Tucson.

Four months later, 15 of the bighorns had been fed on bighorn sheep that thrive in the area -- leaving some animal welfare advocates to question whether such a plan was prudent on the part of an independent panel formed by state wildlife officials.

The Catalina Mountain Lion Advisory Committee -- comprised of groups such as the Arizona Desert Mountain Lion Society, the Wilderness Society and the Center for Biological Diversity - had recommended that officials not kill any bighorn sheep prior to the transplant of mountain lions.

After nearly half the mountain lion pack was fed, state wildlife officials in turn killed two bighorn sheep -- leading to protests by individuals who claimed the sheep should not be targeted for acting as natural prey in the wild.

An editorial published last December in the Arizona Republic posed a question at the heart of the controversy: "Re-creating a mountain population in the Catalina Mountains is a good goal that may result in the loss of hunger for some individual animals. How many meals are too many? When does the project cross the line from ambitious and worthy to sacrificial and cruel?"

The Arizona Game and Fish Department and its supporters stand by the transplant decision, although Jim Paxon, special assistant to director Larry Voyles, said "in hindsight, we should have taken out some sheep."

"Conservation of wildlife is never easy, never quick and is often what biology professors call messy," Paxon told FoxNews.com. He said the plan moving forward is to assess areas in the Catalinas where the mountain lions have the greatest chance of survival and place additional mountain lions there in the fall. He said the hope is that the remaining lion transplants and their cubs will move toward the new pack. Paxon also said some sheep near the determined location will be killed, but stressed that officials are not planning a "wholesale removal of bighorn sheep across the Catalinas."

"All we're doing is removing bighorn sheep that overfeed mountain lions in the best habitat area for those lions," he said, adding that the sheep population is "not only healthy, it's thriving and expanding."

Critics, however, say the current plan should be stopped immediately.

"I don't think that they really thought this out," said Ricardo Small, of the group Friends of Wild Animals, adding that, "this decision was pushed by shearers."

"The response to sheep overfeeding mountain lions has been to kill the sheep. That's a mistake," Small said. "When competition among sheep is removed, the nutritional value of sheep decreases and the result is less nutritional value than were there to begin with."

"I think that the Arizona Game and Fish Department should stop this program completely. It's a waste of bighorn sheep and a waste of mountain lion."

But supporters of the group claim it's premature to abandon efforts to rebuild a population that once thrived in the Catalinas.

Kevin Murphy, conservation director of the Mountain Lion Foundation, called the mountain lion overfeeding "frustrating," but said he was fully supportive of the plan in place. He also noted that the transplanted pack successfully birthed cubs and said more are expected in the coming months.

"Wildlife management is not a perfect exact science," Murphy told FoxNews.com. "You can't measure the success yet. It's designed to be a three-phase release."
 
2014-03-19 09:29:18 AM  

7FARK7: Conservationists are farking CLUELESS when it comes to how nature actually works!


Breathlessly awaiting your brilliant mansplaination of how nature actually works.
 
2014-03-19 09:33:09 AM  

Billy Bathsalt: mansplaination


Stop
 
2014-03-19 09:35:52 AM  

fusillade762: SquiggsIN: It's really too bad the sinful humans ruined it for the rest of the world's animals (like sheep).  I learned at this museum in Kentucky that all the animals used to be vegetarians a few thousand years ago.  Maybe we could retrain the mountain lions to graze like the sheep?

[static.fjcdn.com image 512x384]


Whohoho. Eh, no no, no applause. Every time you clap your hands you kill thousands of spores that'll some day form a nutritious fungus
 
2014-03-19 09:44:20 AM  
Question: What do you do when you can't have your sheep and eat them to?

Answer: Shoot the pussy.
 
2014-03-19 09:54:26 AM  
It's a Fox News article. There's always an agenda.

The point here is that the Arizona Game and Fish Department (government) transported 31 individual animals of a so-called "endangered" species (Endangered Species Act ) into an area where there were mountain lions, a predator of big horn sheep.

The Arizona Game and Fish Department should have known the predator would kill many of the bighorn sheep. If the government did know, the government employees intentionally killed members of an endangered species (government hypocrisy). If they did not know, they did not do their job properly (government stupidity).

After the cats ate half the transported bighorns, state wildlife employees (government) killed 2 mountain lions, an endangered species (government hypocrisy). See, if NRA-member hunters had killed 15 bighorns and 2 mountain lions they would be in deep trouble, but not the government.

The rest of the article is basic Fox News shtick: grab quotes from interested people (possibly folks trained in wildlife management, but never made clear) on both sides of the issue then imply that there is no consensus on what to do.
 
2014-03-19 10:03:59 AM  

But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?


No problem. We simply unleash wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.

But aren't the snakes even worse?
Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

But then we're stuck with gorillas!

No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
 
2014-03-19 10:08:07 AM  

Delay: It's a Fox News article. There's always an agenda.

The point here is that the Arizona Game and Fish Department (government) transported 31 individual animals of a so-called "endangered" species (Endangered Species Act ) into an area where there were mountain lions, a predator of big horn sheep.

The Arizona Game and Fish Department should have known the predator would kill many of the bighorn sheep. If the government did know, the government employees intentionally killed members of an endangered species (government hypocrisy). If they did not know, they did not do their job properly (government stupidity).

After the cats ate half the transported bighorns, state wildlife employees (government) killed 2 mountain lions, an endangered species (government hypocrisy). See, if NRA-member hunters had killed 15 bighorns and 2 mountain lions they would be in deep trouble, but not the government.

The rest of the article is basic Fox News shtick: grab quotes from interested people (possibly folks trained in wildlife management, but never made clear) on both sides of the issue then imply that there is no consensus on what to do.


Am I missing something? When did mountain lions become endangered?
 
2014-03-19 10:14:17 AM  

MadMattressMack: Am I missing something? When did mountain lions become endangered?

The North American cougar, the Florida panther, and the Costa Rican cougar are all listed under Appendix I of the Endangered Species Act. Other mountain lion species are listed in Appendix II.




Link
 
2014-03-19 10:36:01 AM  

Delay: MadMattressMack: Am I missing something? When did mountain lions become endangered?The North American cougar, the Florida panther, and the Costa Rican cougar are all listed under Appendix I of the Endangered Species Act. Other mountain lion species are listed in Appendix II.


Link


In the link I found no mention of any endangered mountain lions in the Arizona area. In fact, i found just the opposite. The sub-set groups you're talking about are not in the area in question. What you're linking to would be like saying the killing effects the wild population of lions, even though none live in the area.

http://azstarnet.com/news/science/environment/mountain-lions-may-be- hu nted-down-in-catalina-mountains/article_9d284a0c-d831-5ecb-a67e-e77a57 a1a238.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_cougar

img.fark.net

I'll even go one more, here's what I get if I dump "mountain lion" into your link:

img.fark.net

It specifically says "not listed". The only things close is the Florida and Eastern cougars. If any of those cats are showing up in the Arizona mountains then it would mean humans are introducing them and would be a far bigger story than what's linked.

Instead, they're very, very common. I've even had a couple of dogs killed by one.
 
2014-03-19 10:36:50 AM  

Delay: The North American cougar, the Florida panther, and the Costa Rican cougar are all listed under Appendix I of the Endangered Species Act. Other mountain lion species are listed in Appendix II.


That only applies to the eastern populations and in Florida.  Cougars are not on the endangered species list here in the Western US and they are listed overall as "Least Concern" by the IUCN.  Around here they are considered typically as a big game animal and are hunted.  Their populations are generally managed in accordance with their prey species (deer and elk).
 
2014-03-19 10:46:20 AM  

HeadLever: Delay: The North American cougar, the Florida panther, and the Costa Rican cougar are all listed under Appendix I of the Endangered Species Act. Other mountain lion species are listed in Appendix II.

That only applies to the eastern populations and in Florida.  Cougars are not on the endangered species list here in the Western US and they are listed overall as "Least Concern" by the IUCN.  Around here they are considered typically as a big game animal and are hunted.  Their populations are generally managed in accordance with their prey species (deer and elk).


The limits and hunting information on mountain lions in AZ is on page 60 if you're interested:

http://www.azgfd.gov/regs/mainregs.pdf
 
2014-03-19 10:47:17 AM  

HeadLever: Delay: The North American cougar, the Florida panther, and the Costa Rican cougar are all listed under Appendix I of the Endangered Species Act. Other mountain lion species are listed in Appendix II.

That only applies to the eastern populations and in Florida.  Cougars are not on the endangered species list here in the Western US and they are listed overall as "Least Concern" by the IUCN.  Around here they are considered typically as a big game animal and are hunted.  Their populations are generally managed in accordance with their prey species (deer and elk).


Here are the 2014 laws on hunting them in AZ if you're interested. 1 bag limit per calender year except in certain areas where it's 3. 

http://www.azgfd.gov/regs/mainregs.pdf
 
2014-03-19 10:48:08 AM  
Stupid broken browser, thanks for the double post.
 
2014-03-19 11:00:07 AM  

MadMattressMack: The limits and hunting information on mountain lions in AZ is on page 60 if you're interested:

http://www.azgfd.gov/regs/mainregs.pdf


Looks to be pretty similar to Idaho's way of managing them.  Does Arizona allow hound hunting?
 
2014-03-19 11:03:39 AM  

HeadLever: MadMattressMack: The limits and hunting information on mountain lions in AZ is on page 60 if you're interested:

http://www.azgfd.gov/regs/mainregs.pdf

Looks to be pretty similar to Idaho's way of managing them.  Does Arizona allow hound hunting?


I think so. At least, it's being advertised:

http://www.arizonahunting.net/mountainlion.htm

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-19 11:04:08 AM  
"..Bighorn sheep, a gregarious, herd-forming species, once thrived in large numbers across the western U.S. until their population dropped dramatically over the past 100 years -- for reasons biologists continue to study, such as disease, fires or loss of water source...."

or maybe due to theMOUNTAIN LIONS!?!
 
2014-03-19 11:09:26 AM  

MadMattressMack: I think so. At least, it's being advertised


Yeah, I also see a section of the regulations that you posted where the Arizona Houndsmen have a standing reward for information on anyone killing a jaguar.
 
2014-03-19 11:26:09 AM  

MadMattressMack: It specifically says "not listed". The only things close is the Florida and Eastern cougars. If any of those cats are showing up in the Arizona mountains then it would mean humans are introducing them and would be a far bigger story than what's linked.

Instead, they're very, very common. I've even had a couple of dogs killed by one.


I stand corrected. When I entered cougar it came up, I didn't realize it meant a sub-species. Here in California they are illegal for hunting as a specially protected species. Apparently that was due to a state proposition that voters passed rather than any real danger to their continued. So, I guess voters can be misled.

Mountain lions show up from time to time in my neighborhood. The schools issue warnings.
 
2014-03-19 11:31:34 AM  

Delay: Here in California they are illegal for hunting as a specially protected species. Apparently that was due to a state proposition that voters passed rather than any real danger to their continued. So, I guess voters can be misled.


Yeah, Californians have some sort of strange love affair with mountain lions.  So much so that they fired your President of the California Fish and Game Commission when he came to Idaho on a successful mountain lion hunt a few years ago.

We in Idaho are still scratching our heads over that one.
 
2014-03-19 11:36:39 AM  

M-G: Maybe they should hire these guys....


Please take one internets from the box. You can choose whichever one you like, but please take only one.

/Mornin' Sam.
/Mornin' Ralph.
 
2014-03-19 11:51:47 AM  

Canton: wildcardjack: Canton: wildcardjack: You get happy mountain lions.

Wait, you mean they weren't supposed to eat all of them? Well, figure out a cheaper way to get them in, and plant cameras.

They only ate like, half of them.

/Natural selection at work

Unfortunately it was planned by a Creationist who thought the animals should go two by two, and all the males were eaten.

Thought it was seven by seven for the "clean" animals. Still a derpy strategy for polygamous ungulates, though.

/Pretty sure one healthy ram could service a herd of 30 ewes
//If they were into it
///Hope they sent a backup ram


Polygamous Ungulates is the name of my new Mormon death metal band.


/actually, I believe I know enough people to accomplish this IRL
 
2014-03-19 11:59:12 AM  

HeadLever: Delay: Here in California they are illegal for hunting as a specially protected species. Apparently that was due to a state proposition that voters passed rather than any real danger to their continued. So, I guess voters can be misled.

Yeah, Californians have some sort of strange love affair with mountain lions.  So much so that they fired your President of the California Fish and Game Commission when he came to Idaho on a successful mountain lion hunt a few years ago.

We in Idaho are still scratching our heads over that one.


There used to be a "Coastside Rodeo" in Pacifica (on the coast here in the Bay Area) which was held in late summer. A lot of barbecued ribs were sold and some bones always were left lying  around. Mountain lions would come in and eat the left overs. They didn't seem that rare to me.
 
2014-03-19 12:35:47 PM  

Delay: MadMattressMack: It specifically says "not listed". The only things close is the Florida and Eastern cougars. If any of those cats are showing up in the Arizona mountains then it would mean humans are introducing them and would be a far bigger story than what's linked.

Instead, they're very, very common. I've even had a couple of dogs killed by one.

I stand corrected. When I entered cougar it came up, I didn't realize it meant a sub-species. Here in California they are illegal for hunting as a specially protected species. Apparently that was due to a state proposition that voters passed rather than any real danger to their continued. So, I guess voters can be misled.

Mountain lions show up from time to time in my neighborhood. The schools issue warnings.


Where I live now they aren't very common (we only have coyotes in suburbia hell), but I used to live the TX hill country and they were all over the place. I found some big cat paw prints and said "that's neat". One day I came home to a couple of dead dogs with more paw prints. I never saw the lion and it's probably still out there somewhere. It probably had been coming around because we had goats. The only thing I ever saw was a bobcat and that was running across a road while driving.

i don't ever trophy hunt, so I didn't know the laws on killing big cats. After that happened I brushed up on it.
 
2014-03-19 02:39:47 PM  
Wonder how much of that $600000 is ending up in some politicians  pocket.
 
2014-03-19 04:03:50 PM  

johnperkins: I don't see what the problem is...


There isn't. Bighorn sheep are notorious for croaking when they're introduced into an area. A 50% loss, when they know that most of it is due to mountain lions, is fairly normal. Mostly they die due to disease, and they seem to be pretty fragile when it comes to contracting whatever weird virus or disease is going around in wild animals. Montana lost almost all of the bighorn sheep they introduced into several areas of the state, most of them to disease. And yet some of them made it, and they're now reproducing and populating places that they haven't been in many years. It's called "nature"--it doesn't always work the precise way we want it to work. Mostly because we've already farked up the natural order of things so thoroughly that the people who try to manage "nature" have to guess when they try to restore anything. There is no "balance of nature"--it's a permanent fluctuation, and all wildlife people can do is try to stick an extra factor into the equation and see what happens. It's not a computer. It's a living system that changes all the time.

wildlife officials say the conservation effort is not a failure and expect the projected $600,000, three-year plan to result in greater numbers of bighorns in an area where they once co-existed with mountain lions for centuries.

The sheep used to live there, and they should be able to live there now, mountain lions or no mountain lions. Unless of course we've farked up their habitat so badly that they just can't--but I assume that the wildlife people looked at that before they introduced them. If all the sheep had been hit by cars because they're trying to live in downtown Tucson, maybe there'd be something to biatch about.

This is the planet you all wanted --sanitized, homogenized, and organized for your convenience. You don't get to complain about how wild animals can't make it here NOW. If that idea is too messy for your fine attitudes, go to a zoo and look at the nice, organized, captive animals.

Frank N Stein: /hunters are the best conservationists.


Sure, as long as you love an artificial system of only the four or five animals you like to kill.  MANAGED for your convenience. Some people have other ideas about what constitutes "conservation." And never the twain shall meet.
 
2014-03-19 04:05:40 PM  

HeadLever: Yeah, Californians have some sort of strange love affair with mountain lions.


They're big kitty cats... Mankind has long worshipped cats (see ancient Egypt or modern Internet lolcats)... They're graceful, fuzzy killing machines... What's not to love??

/Hell, Roy continues to love that damn tiger even after it almost killed him!
 
2014-03-19 06:29:06 PM  

TheMysticS: Canton: wildcardjack: Canton: wildcardjack: You get happy mountain lions.

Wait, you mean they weren't supposed to eat all of them? Well, figure out a cheaper way to get them in, and plant cameras.

They only ate like, half of them.

/Natural selection at work

Unfortunately it was planned by a Creationist who thought the animals should go two by two, and all the males were eaten.

Thought it was seven by seven for the "clean" animals. Still a derpy strategy for polygamous ungulates, though.

/Pretty sure one healthy ram could service a herd of 30 ewes
//If they were into it
///Hope they sent a backup ram

Polygamous Ungulates is the name of my new Mormon death metal band.


/actually, I believe I know enough people to accomplish this IRL


If and when you accomplish this, I absolutely want to hear about it.

/The concept alone...
 
Displayed 111 of 111 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report