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(Sun Sentinel)   New law would make it illegal for anyone under the age of 16 to get married. In other news, people under the age of 16 can get legally married in Florida right now   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 77
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2014-03-18 06:43:57 PM  
And?
 
2014-03-18 07:46:32 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: And?


And to your first cousin.
 
2014-03-18 07:54:14 PM  
Adultism continues its march against those age-challenged individuals in our society who are told that they don't count.

newdeal.feri.org

/no pedo
 
2014-03-18 08:07:15 PM  
It's also allowed if both parents are dead or if the minor has been previously married.

Wat?
 
2014-03-18 08:23:29 PM  
Can't we just make it 18 for everything in all states?

If you're old enough to fight and die in the military, then just make that the age for everything, guns, cigs, voting, marriage, beer/liquor, just everything. Would make everything bit more simple, wouldn't it?

Yes I know someone will disagree, but I have my opinion, and they have theirs, so, nyah.
 
2014-03-18 08:24:11 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: And?


And we live in a world where 30-year-olds are children.  Perceptions have shifted.
 
2014-03-18 08:25:13 PM  
Still waiting for the "gay people can't marry" crowed to come in an whine with their shrill voices.
 
2014-03-18 08:25:25 PM  
Hey subby, people under the age of 16 can get married in quite a few states.
 
2014-03-18 08:25:50 PM  
Some places; it is completely legal for a 12 year-old to marry her 13 year-old second cousin.

Some places; it is completely legal to sell your daughter into a marriage contract when she is born.
 
2014-03-18 08:30:08 PM  

iheartscotch: Some places; it is completely legal for a 12 year-old to marry her 13 year-old second cousin.

Some places; it is completely legal to sell your daughter into a marriage contract when she is born.


I was married at 5, before it was cool.
Divorced by 8.
Remarried by 12.
Celibate for... say 4 years.
Then married at 16.
Before it was cool again.

Get off my Twister tarp.
 
2014-03-18 08:30:12 PM  

strangeluck: Can't we just make it 18 for everything in all states?

If you're old enough to fight and die in the military, then just make that the age for everything, guns, cigs, voting, marriage, beer/liquor, just everything. Would make everything bit more simple, wouldn't it?

Yes I know someone will disagree, but I have my opinion, and they have theirs, so, nyah.


The age for conscription, at least, has varied.  When WWI started, it was 21.  Ditto for WWII.

Not sure about voluntary service, because I'm too lazy to look it up.

But, anyway, there'd be precedent to make it 21 across the board.  Or 24.  Or any other arbitrary number, really.

/some psychologists now believe that adolescence continues until about 25
 
2014-03-18 08:32:33 PM  

iheartscotch: Some places; it is completely legal for a 12 year-old to marry her 13 year-old second cousin.

Some places; it is completely legal to sell your daughter into a marriage contract when she is born.


Are you implying that people in those places are wrong?

Cultural imperialist.
 
2014-03-18 08:32:59 PM  
Hate to break it to subby, but some quick google-fu shows me this is legal in most states, including New York and California.  Surprisingly not legal in Georgia.
 
2014-03-18 08:34:56 PM  
The think I've never understood is why the legal age to marry in some states is lower than the legal age to consent to sex?  Doesn't the first imply the second?
 
2014-03-18 08:35:58 PM  
It should be the same age they can sign contracts.
 
2014-03-18 08:38:49 PM  

sendtodave: iheartscotch: Some places; it is completely legal for a 12 year-old to marry her 13 year-old second cousin.

Some places; it is completely legal to sell your daughter into a marriage contract when she is born.

Are you implying that people in those places are wrong?

Cultural imperialist.


I'm just implying that those cultures are different; and, since we do things one way and they do things another way; they tend to look at our practices and shake their heads; the same way we do when we look at their practices.

/ Also, legality doesn't do well with grey areas.
 
2014-03-18 08:41:19 PM  

Pincy: Hey subby, people under the age of 16 can get married in quite a few states.


You can get married in New Mexico under the age of 16 with a judge's consent and parental consent. This hasn't happened in decades AFAIK but every so often someone tries. I recall a case about five years ago where the girl and her parents wanted to but the judge refused. You can get married between 16-18 with judicial consent but without parental consent if the judge declares you emancipated.  This happens often enough that there is a special exemption to the state's statutory rape law for married couples.
 
2014-03-18 08:41:30 PM  
I joined the military when I turned 17.

Sooo where are these states....ahhh redneck republican country I imagine.  Sweeeet!

Off to find me ah bride!

/aisle seat please.
 
2014-03-18 08:42:33 PM  
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Does not approve
 
2014-03-18 08:43:29 PM  

Pincy: The think I've never understood is why the legal age to marry in some states is lower than the legal age to consent to sex?  Doesn't the first imply the second?


Those laws are relics of a different age. The age limit on consensual to sex laws are much newer than marriage laws.

Most marriage laws, in the United States, date from the 1800's; when it was pretty common to marry a girl at 13 and pop out as many kids as possible. The reason? Many children died in infancy and many women died during labor.
 
2014-03-18 08:45:43 PM  
In other news, people under the age of 16 can get legally married in Florida right now

What else are you going to do when your brother knocks you up?  You can't let that kid be born a bastard!
 
2014-03-18 08:49:29 PM  
i.perezhilton.com
 
2014-03-18 08:58:25 PM  
It's also allowed if both parents are dead

CSB

I went to college with a girl from Florida who married at 14 after her parents died, she married her 18 year old boyfriend.  They are still married.
 
2014-03-18 09:02:14 PM  
In many states as long as the parents give consent you can marry at 14.
 
2014-03-18 09:02:38 PM  

Tom_Slick: It's also allowed if both parents are dead

CSB

I went to college with a girl from Florida who married at 14 after her parents died, she married her 18 year old boyfriend.  They are still married.


This story would be better if you weren't a Sophomore.
 
2014-03-18 09:09:26 PM  

Pincy: The think I've never understood is why the legal age to marry in some states is lower than the legal age to consent to sex?  Doesn't the first imply the second?


nope, because many places where people can be married off before they can consent to sexual relations they also cannot testify against their spouse in criminal court.

so a twelve year old can't testify in a court of law saying that her forty year old husband raped her, as long as her parents consented to the marriage...

sleep well tonight...
 
2014-03-18 09:10:11 PM  
Little known fact: a 16 year old's wedding ceremony is called a "quincinera" and typically features a pick-up truck hydraulics contest.
 
2014-03-18 09:13:08 PM  

Pincy: The think I've never understood is why the legal age to marry in some states is lower than the legal age to consent to sex?  Doesn't the first imply the second?


LAUGHTER 07
 
2014-03-18 09:13:13 PM  

strangeluck: Can't we just make it 18 for everything in all states?

If you're old enough to fight and die in the military, then just make that the age for everything, guns, cigs, voting, marriage, beer/liquor, just everything. Would make everything bit more simple, wouldn't it?

Yes I know someone will disagree, but I have my opinion, and they have theirs, so, nyah.


I agree.  I have a serious problem with some 19 year old guy (or gal) coming home from war and not being able to buy a beer.  I would go so far as to require the voting/drinking/military/etc ages to be permanently tied together.
 
2014-03-18 09:18:26 PM  

meow said the dog: Pincy: The think I've never understood is why the legal age to marry in some states is lower than the legal age to consent to sex?  Doesn't the first imply the second?

LAUGHTER 07


Well, for newlyweds it probably does.  But ya, after a few decades I can see your point.
 
2014-03-18 09:18:51 PM  
The Prophet Mohammed, PBUH, married a six-year-old when he was about 50.  Although to his credit, he did wait until she was 9 before he deflowered her.
 
2014-03-18 09:19:34 PM  

Tom_Slick: It's also allowed if both parents are dead

CSB

I went to college with a girl from Florida who married at 14 after her parents died, she married her 18 year old boyfriend.  They are still married.


Beats my story: Girl in my HS got a divorce from her parents (no idea how that works, but she did it) at age 15 because they would not let her marry her 15 year old boyfriend despite the fact that they were expecting a child.  Courts gave her the divorce and they got married.  They ended up living in a Winnebago parked in his parents' driveway.  Both families were pretty well off.  Hers owned a chain of furniture stores in the area, and his dad was some kind of high muckitymuck in politics.  They were still married at our 20yr reunion.
 
2014-03-18 09:20:07 PM  
If the law says a judge has to approve, what's the problem? The law already says this is not a normal situation but allows for individual accommodation when a judge agrees it's for the best. Did they bother to check how many times a underage marriage was requested and disallowed by the court?
 
2014-03-18 09:22:24 PM  

Greywar: I joined the military when I turned 17.

Sooo where are these states....ahhh redneck republican country I imagine.  Sweeeet!

Off to find me ah bride!

/aisle seat please.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_States_of_Ame ri ca

look to New Hampshire if you want to marry a 13 year old girl.
/you bigoted piece of shiat.
 
2014-03-18 09:31:36 PM  
Article mentioned a 13 year old groom, I believe his name was Mr. Precocious.
 
2014-03-18 09:33:44 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: Greywar: I joined the military when I turned 17.

Sooo where are these states....ahhh redneck republican country I imagine.  Sweeeet!

Off to find me ah bride!

/aisle seat please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_States_of_Ame ri ca

look to New Hampshire if you want to marry a 13 year old girl.
/you bigoted piece of shiat.


Well, New Hampshire was *firmly* conservative for most of its existence (IIRC, the modern GOP got its start there) and up until the early 1990's. Since then it's been a bit back and forth.

If you've ever met someone from New Hampshire, "redneck" is not a far from apt descriptor.
 
2014-03-18 09:35:29 PM  

bagumpity: Tom_Slick: It's also allowed if both parents are dead

CSB

I went to college with a girl from Florida who married at 14 after her parents died, she married her 18 year old boyfriend.  They are still married.

Beats my story: Girl in my HS got a divorce from her parents (no idea how that works, but she did it) at age 15 because they would not let her marry her 15 year old boyfriend despite the fact that they were expecting a child.  Courts gave her the divorce and they got married.  They ended up living in a Winnebago parked in his parents' driveway.  Both families were pretty well off.  Hers owned a chain of furniture stores in the area, and his dad was some kind of high muckitymuck in politics.  They were still married at our 20yr reunion.


It's called emancipation when a person under the age of 18 legally severs themselves from their parents/guardians.
 
2014-03-18 09:35:53 PM  

zimbomba63: Article mentioned a 13 year old groom, I believe his name was Mr. Precocious.


At 13 he wouldn't know what her precocious looked like
 
2014-03-18 09:36:25 PM  

cynicalminion: Pincy: The think I've never understood is why the legal age to marry in some states is lower than the legal age to consent to sex?  Doesn't the first imply the second?

nope, because many places where people can be married off before they can consent to sexual relations they also cannot testify against their spouse in criminal court.

so a twelve year old can't testify in a court of law saying that her forty year old husband raped her, as long as her parents consented to the marriage...


Not true. Spousal immunity allows someone to  refuse to testify against their spouse, without facing contempt or accessory charges. However, they are free to do so if they want. Consider, if it worked the way you claimed, there would be no such thing as domestic abuse in those states, no?

You're also possibly confusing it with marital privilege, which is similar to attorney-client or doctor-patient privilege, in which the patient/client/spouse can force the doctor/attorney/other spouse not to testify about something that was disclosed in confidence.  However, privilege doesn't apply to disputes between those parties: you can force your spouse to stay quiet about trade secrets you told them in bed one night that they subsequently try to sell to your competitor, but you can't force them to stay quiet about your assets, say, during a divorce proceeding.
 
2014-03-18 09:40:21 PM  

mistrmind: Still waiting for the "gay people can't marry" crowed to come in an whine with their shrill voices.


Sure.

Current Florida law allows minors to tie the knot with parental permission and court approval if the couple are expecting or already have a baby. It's also allowed if both parents are dead or if the minor has been previously married. Under Stafford's proposal (HB 1279), there would be no more nuptials for those under 16. Her bill unanimously passed the House Civil Justice Subcommittee on Tuesday without debate...
"I have a hard time wrapping my head around that," said Stafford, an attorney, after the hearing. "Here we have a 13-year-old still going through puberty, who now is a husband because, apparently, he made a baby. I just don't think that should be the policy of this state."


The anti-gay marriage people claim that marriage and procreation are inherently and inexorably linked. But here, we have a bill actually denying marriage to a couple that has procreated. Accordingly, any anti-gay marriage legislator that votes for this is a hypocrite.
 
2014-03-18 09:43:55 PM  

mistrmind: Still waiting for the "gay people can't marry" crowed to come in an whine with their shrill voices.


www.culinate.com
 
2014-03-18 09:45:47 PM  

fusillade762: mistrmind: Still waiting for the "gay people can't marry" crowed to come in an whine with their shrill voices.


Cock
 
2014-03-18 09:52:34 PM  

fusillade762: mistrmind: Still waiting for the "gay people can't marry" crowed to come in an whine with their shrill voices.

[www.culinate.com image 400x300]


Nice cock.
 
2014-03-18 09:57:34 PM  

fusillade762: It's also allowed if both parents are dead or if the minor has been previously married.

Wat?


Wat? Siblings can marry?
 
2014-03-18 09:58:12 PM  

strangeluck: Can't we just make it 18 for everything in all states?

If you're old enough to fight and die in the military, then just make that the age for everything, guns, cigs, voting, marriage, beer/liquor, just everything. Would make everything bit more simple, wouldn't it?

Yes I know someone will disagree, but I have my opinion, and they have theirs, so, nyah.


but this would solve .... pretty much everything
 
2014-03-18 10:04:40 PM  
Nobody under 25 should get married. You can't make sane decisions till then.  (Okay, some people never do).
 
2014-03-18 10:06:55 PM  

iheartscotch: Some places; it is completely legal for a 12 year-old to marry her 13 year-old second cousin.

Some places; it is completely legal to sell your daughter into a marriage contract when she is born.


What if someone wants to gay marry yo boy?  That certainly would cause outrage.  But apparently not a 15 yo girl.
 
2014-03-18 10:07:49 PM  

Pincy: The think I've never understood is why the legal age to marry in some states is lower than the legal age to consent to sex?  Doesn't the first imply the second?


Probably for the same reason marital rape wasn't counted as rape until recently.
 
2014-03-18 10:10:28 PM  

cynicalminion: Pincy: The think I've never understood is why the legal age to marry in some states is lower than the legal age to consent to sex?  Doesn't the first imply the second?

nope, because many places where people can be married off before they can consent to sexual relations they also cannot testify against their spouse in criminal court.

so a twelve year old can't testify in a court of law saying that her forty year old husband raped her, as long as her parents consented to the marriage...

sleep well tonight...


In some states, a husband cannot rape his wife because a husband forcing his wife to have sex is not considered rape; it's marital sexual assault.
 
2014-03-18 10:11:30 PM  
Motivating Stafford was a 1972 case out of Pinellas County, she said. Sherry Johnson, now of Tallahassee, was raped at 10, pregnant and married by 11.
Johnson's mother gave consent for her daughter "to marry the 20-year-old who raped her," Stafford said
.

Well according to Deuteronomy, 22, verse 28 and 29, the father of the girl is entitled to 30 Shekels of Silver.from that guy who raped her.

Aren't they all Bible- thumpers down there?
 
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