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2014-03-18 08:49:19 PM
At least he died doing what he loved.
 
2014-03-18 08:51:45 PM
The wheel is turning and you can't slow down
You can't let go and you can't hold on
You can't go back and you can't stand still
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will
 
2014-03-18 08:52:13 PM

Marshall Willenholly: At least he died doing what he loved.


Choking on a mouthful of snow?
 
2014-03-18 08:58:35 PM
Stupid sexy Flanders.
 
2014-03-18 09:04:23 PM
Good Job good effort
 
2014-03-18 09:12:35 PM
Here's what they should teach in avalanche class:  Steep, exposed, uncontrolled terrain is going to slide.  Period. End of story.  If you ski it and live, you aren't savvy, you're lucky.
 
2014-03-18 09:12:52 PM

Marshall Willenholly: At least he died doing what he loved.


Taunting Darwin?
 
2014-03-18 09:25:07 PM

"Maxwell and half a dozen other people were in a remote area near Altoona Lakes, and hadn't observed any obvious signs of avalanche danger, Karkanen said."


They were so determined to do what they wanted, they ignored the obvious signs of danger. I'm still stunned that cavemen survived long enough to make humans the dominant species. I'd guess that the cavemen would have died out due to their own stupidity.

 
2014-03-18 09:30:50 PM
Abox

Here's what they should teach in avalanche class:  Steep, exposed, uncontrolled terrain is going to slide.  Period. End of story.  If you ski it and live, you aren't savvy, you're lucky.

   Wrong. You might want to look up "persistent weak layer". If what you said was even remotely true there would be thousands of dead skiers, climbers and motorists here in BC. This year however what you have said is nearly true, worst snowpack I've seen in 25 years.
 
GBB
2014-03-18 09:34:47 PM

Marshall Willenholly: At least he died doing what he loved.


Drinking from the fountain that was flowing like an avalanche that was coming down the mountain?
 
GBB
2014-03-18 09:36:01 PM

skinink: "Maxwell and half a dozen other people were in a remote area near Altoona Lakes, and hadn't observed any obvious signs of avalanche danger, Karkanen said."
They were so determined to do what they wanted, they ignored the obvious signs of danger. I'm still stunned that cavemen survived long enough to make humans the dominant species. I'd guess that the cavemen would have died out due to their own stupidity.


I think, technically speaking, the cavemen did, eventually, die out.
 
2014-03-18 09:38:19 PM

Marshall Willenholly: At least he died doing what he loved.


Having sex with your mom?
 
2014-03-18 09:38:31 PM

GBB: Marshall Willenholly: At least he died doing what he loved.

Drinking from the fountain that was flowing like an avalanche that was coming down the mountain?


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-18 09:39:48 PM

GBB: Marshall Willenholly: At least he died doing what he loved.

Drinking from the fountain that was flowing like an avalanche that was coming down the mountain?


I guess that he didn't know just how he'd look thru other peoples eyes?
 
2014-03-18 09:43:37 PM
Check.
 
2014-03-18 09:43:48 PM

New Age Redneck: Abox

Here's what they should teach in avalanche class:  Steep, exposed, uncontrolled terrain is going to slide.  Period. End of story.  If you ski it and live, you aren't savvy, you're lucky.

   Wrong. You might want to look up "persistent weak layer". If what you said was even remotely true there would be thousands of dead skiers, climbers and motorists here in BC. This year however what you have said is nearly true, worst snowpack I've seen in 25 years.


Sounds like a lot of reckless, lucky folks.
 
2014-03-18 09:46:41 PM

Marshall Willenholly: At least he died doing what he loved.


Standing in the center of a merry-go-round and peeing while shouting "HAHA LOOK AT ME I'M A LAWN SPRINKLER!!!" ?
 
2014-03-18 09:55:57 PM
Ya know where this never happens? Terrain parks.
 
2014-03-18 10:02:20 PM

fireclown: Ya know where this never happens? Terrain parks.


You know where else this never happens? Florida.
 
2014-03-18 10:33:05 PM
Avalanches can happen in just about any terrain.  Granted, skiing "back country" the avalanche you encounter will have a great deal more snow than in more common areas.  I actually skied through/ahead of an "avalanche" at Loveland Pass, CO.  Thankfully, the snow was only calf deep, but when skiing in areas with steeps, gravity tends to play a part in how well snow holds to a particular area...

This is a very sad event, but relatively speaking, skiing is still a pretty safe endeavor..
 
2014-03-18 10:38:21 PM
I knew this guy. Kind of. Via a relative-by-marriage.

I don't really have anything else to say, except that I have a Butthole Surfers song in my head now.
 
2014-03-18 10:57:39 PM

Enormous-Schwanstucker: fireclown: Ya know where this never happens? Terrain parks.

You know where else this never happens? Florida.


I can guess better: about 99% percent of Earth's surface.
 
2014-03-18 11:06:34 PM
My grandad didn't have much time for newfangled concepts.  "Ecology," he'd say, "What's ecology?"  Or "Conservation," he'd say, "what's conservation?"  I'll never forget his last words.

"Avalanche,' he said, "what's ava."

/keep your stick on the ice
 
2014-03-18 11:14:02 PM

GBB: skinink: "Maxwell and half a dozen other people were in a remote area near Altoona Lakes, and hadn't observed any obvious signs of avalanche danger, Karkanen said."
They were so determined to do what they wanted, they ignored the obvious signs of danger. I'm still stunned that cavemen survived long enough to make humans the dominant species. I'd guess that the cavemen would have died out due to their own stupidity.

I think, technically speaking, the cavemen did, eventually, die out.


Technically speaking, a few of them didn't die out, but evolved into you.
 
2014-03-18 11:18:48 PM

traylor: GBB: skinink: "Maxwell and half a dozen other people were in a remote area near Altoona Lakes, and hadn't observed any obvious signs of avalanche danger, Karkanen said."
They were so determined to do what they wanted, they ignored the obvious signs of danger. I'm still stunned that cavemen survived long enough to make humans the dominant species. I'd guess that the cavemen would have died out due to their own stupidity.

I think, technically speaking, the cavemen did, eventually, die out.

Technically speaking, a few of them didn't die out, but evolved into you.


Technically speaking, they did die, but their children were incrementally closer to us (lather, rinse, repeat over thousands of generations).
 
2014-03-18 11:27:26 PM

Bondith: traylor: GBB: skinink: "Maxwell and half a dozen other people were in a remote area near Altoona Lakes, and hadn't observed any obvious signs of avalanche danger, Karkanen said."
They were so determined to do what they wanted, they ignored the obvious signs of danger. I'm still stunned that cavemen survived long enough to make humans the dominant species. I'd guess that the cavemen would have died out due to their own stupidity.

I think, technically speaking, the cavemen did, eventually, die out.

Technically speaking, a few of them didn't die out, but evolved into you.

Technically speaking, they did die, but their children were incrementally closer to us (lather, rinse, repeat over thousands of generations).


Technically speaking, they didn't die out, because there are people living in caves today.
 
2014-03-18 11:42:16 PM
Abox

  Oh, I see you're a troll.

*backs away from thread*
 
2014-03-18 11:47:48 PM

Abox: Here's what they should teach in avalanche class:  Steep, exposed, uncontrolled terrain is going to slide.  Period. End of story.  If you ski it and live, you aren't savvy, you're lucky.


Kind of a straw man there hoss...here's what they should teach in drivers ed: anyone driving on paved, public roads. There will be fatal accidents.period.end of story.
Most activities we pursue for convenience or pleasure come with some risk, we can try to stack the odds in our favor, but sometimes the universe has other plans.
He could have given up skiing, taken up golf, grown fat and die a slow death due to congestive heart failure...would that be the better option?

/that said, it's been a SCARY snowpack this year
 
2014-03-19 12:35:32 AM

ficklefkrfark: Abox: Here's what they should teach in avalanche class:  Steep, exposed, uncontrolled terrain is going to slide.  Period. End of story.  If you ski it and live, you aren't savvy, you're lucky.

Kind of a straw man there hoss...here's what they should teach in drivers ed: anyone driving on paved, public roads. There will be fatal accidents.period.end of story.
Most activities we pursue for convenience or pleasure come with some risk, we can try to stack the odds in our favor, but sometimes the universe has other plans.
He could have given up skiing, taken up golf, grown fat and die a slow death due to congestive heart failure...would that be the better option?

/that said, it's been a SCARY snowpack this year


Because skiing can only be done on steep, exposed, uncontrolled terrain?  There's no other option?
 
2014-03-19 01:30:58 AM

New Age Redneck: Abox

Here's what they should teach in avalanche class:  Steep, exposed, uncontrolled terrain is going to slide.  Period. End of story.  If you ski it and live, you aren't savvy, you're lucky.

   Wrong. You might want to look up "persistent weak layer". If what you said was even remotely true there would be thousands of dead skiers, climbers and motorists here in BC. This year however what you have said is nearly true, worst snowpack I've seen in 25 years.


This.  I live in ski country, and there's thousands of people who ski/snowboard in the backcountry every year without triggering avalanches.  The ones who do trigger avalanches are usually the ones who didn't take the proper precautions.
 
2014-03-19 01:32:45 AM

Abox: ficklefkrfark: Abox: Here's what they should teach in avalanche class:  Steep, exposed, uncontrolled terrain is going to slide.  Period. End of story.  If you ski it and live, you aren't savvy, you're lucky.

Kind of a straw man there hoss...here's what they should teach in drivers ed: anyone driving on paved, public roads. There will be fatal accidents.period.end of story.
Most activities we pursue for convenience or pleasure come with some risk, we can try to stack the odds in our favor, but sometimes the universe has other plans.
He could have given up skiing, taken up golf, grown fat and die a slow death due to congestive heart failure...would that be the better option?

/that said, it's been a SCARY snowpack this year

Because skiing can only be done on steep, exposed, uncontrolled terrain?  There's no other option?


Avalanches most commonly occur on slopes 30 to 40 degrees...I believe 36 to 38 being the sweet spot. This isn't that steep and is manageable for even intermediate skiers, 45 degrees and better, or steep and exposed, avalanches much less frequently as snow tends to slough off and not accumulate into a slab.
The paradox is that fresh powder is the fix yet you need to ride slopes near or above the 30 degree mark to be able to gain enough speed to "plane out" on top of it...otherwise you are wallowing.
As far as uncontrolled terrain, you have a point there...but avalanches occur in controlled terrain as well, we've had a few inbounds slides around here this winter with thankfully no serious injuries or fatalities, but a few years back we weren't so lucky.
Life and skiing can be dangerous, you have to mitigate the dangers when you can and also accept that we can go at any time.
 
2014-03-19 01:44:06 AM

big pig peaches: Marshall Willenholly: At least he died doing what he loved.

Choking on a mouthful of snow?

The way I ski ... yeah, that's skiing.
 
2014-03-19 11:13:51 AM

darkjezter: New Age Redneck: Abox

Here's what they should teach in avalanche class:  Steep, exposed, uncontrolled terrain is going to slide.  Period. End of story.  If you ski it and live, you aren't savvy, you're lucky.

   Wrong. You might want to look up "persistent weak layer". If what you said was even remotely true there would be thousands of dead skiers, climbers and motorists here in BC. This year however what you have said is nearly true, worst snowpack I've seen in 25 years.

This.  I live in ski country, and there's thousands of people who ski/snowboard in the backcountry every year without triggering avalanches.  The ones who do trigger avalanches are usually the ones who didn't take the proper precautions.


Statistically speaking, people who have had avalanche training are more likely to die in an avalanche than people who haven't.

/the more you know...
 
2014-03-19 11:21:09 AM

rwa2: Statistically speaking, people who have had avalanche training are more likely to die in an avalanche than people who haven't.

/the more you know...


Are their odds better at surviving an avalanche event?
 
2014-03-19 12:10:44 PM

New Age Redneck: Abox

Here's what they should teach in avalanche class:  Steep, exposed, uncontrolled terrain is going to slide.  Period. End of story.  If you ski it and live, you aren't savvy, you're lucky.

   Wrong. You might want to look up "persistent weak layer". If what you said was even remotely true there would be thousands of dead skiers, climbers and motorists here in BC. This year however what you have said is nearly true, worst snowpack I've seen in 25 years.


  here in PNW we have such shiatty snow (too low & too close to the ocean) that creates these layers of varying consistency.  warm heavy wet snow compacts & then it gets cold and light snow falls on top, resulting in real potential for that layer to shear & slide right off.

/shocked that BC is so low in snow, cause here on Hood we finally got ours - it just comes late in the winter / early spring now
 
2014-03-19 12:58:23 PM

ficklefkrfark: you have to mitigate the dangers when you can


That's my point...if you avoid any one of the big three - uncontrolled, steep, exposed - then you are taking a step to mitigate the danger.  If you don't, then you are ignoring the danger.  Which apparently for some folks is the only alternative to being a couch potato.
 
2014-03-19 01:47:34 PM
inner ted

shocked that BC is so low in snow

   Well we did finally get it....it's just that it is sitting on many bad layers of surface hoar/facets.....the bottom meter is pure sugar/facets....that ain't going away....hope fully everyone will take that into consideration this spring...did lots of x-country and riding the pistes on the ski hill.....that said, the last little spell of warm weather has kind of bridged things.....

fireclown

Are their odds better at surviving an avalanche event?

   I would like to think that they will understand that avoiding an avalanche event is your prime focus. Terrain analysis and route finding are what keep you alive. You can always find safe places to ski if you can recognize avalanche terrain......
 
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