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(Deadspin)   In news that should surprise absolutely nobody, Qatar bribed FIFA officials to get the World Cup   (deadspin.com) divider line 47
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2014-03-18 04:49:54 PM
That wasn't bribes, those were gifts. That's how the rest of the world works
 
2014-03-18 05:54:07 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: That wasn't bribes, those were gifts. That's how the rest of the world works


No, they were expressions of friendship and appreciation for all the hard work the bribed officials put in on their behalf.
 
2014-03-18 05:54:58 PM
Didn't we know all this a couple years ago? Like 30 minutes after it was awarded to Qatar?
 
2014-03-18 05:55:28 PM
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2014-03-18 05:55:38 PM

Shame Us: Didn't we know all this a couple years ago? Like 30 minutes seconds after it was awarded to Qatar?

 
2014-03-18 05:57:22 PM

ClavellBCMI: The Stealth Hippopotamus: That wasn't bribes, those were gifts. That's how the rest of the world works

No, they were expressions of friendship and appreciation for all the hard work the bribed officials put in on their behalf.


No, it was more of a tacit recompensation agreement between a country with too much money and organization officials with not enough common sense, as it is well documented that gluts of currency can reprieve any well-respecting individual of their senses.
 
2014-03-18 06:01:49 PM

Shame Us: Didn't we know all this a couple years ago? Like 30 minutes after it was awarded to Qatar?


Like the fact it was awarded to Qatar in the first place..
 
2014-03-18 06:03:09 PM
Whoa.  My mind is officially blown.

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2014-03-18 06:11:36 PM
I know it's very feasible for the NCAA to disband due to member discontent in the next 20-30 years.

How feasible is a similar FIFA revolt?  Is it even marginally a potential outcome of this absurdity?
 
2014-03-18 06:12:37 PM
Quick, someone fetch my fainting couch.
 
2014-03-18 06:23:38 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-18 06:24:19 PM

Ted_Crisp: Quick, someone fetch my fainting couch.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-18 06:27:12 PM

rjakobi: ClavellBCMI: The Stealth Hippopotamus: That wasn't bribes, those were gifts. That's how the rest of the world works

No, they were expressions of friendship and appreciation for all the hard work the bribed officials put in on their behalf.

No, it was more of a tacit recompensation agreement between a country with too much money and organization officials with not enough common sense, as it is well documented that gluts of currency can reprieve any well-respecting individual of their senses.


I thought that was what I said?!
 
2014-03-18 06:59:34 PM

ClavellBCMI: Shame Us: Didn't we know all this a couple years ago? Like 30 minutes seconds after two weeks before it was awarded to Qatar?


I was legitimately looking forward to a birthday present of "There will be World Cup games in the USA in a decade" and was thinking "They're not really gonna give it to farking Qatar are they? That's too obviously bribery."
I guess if I'm ever going to see World Cup games, I need to drive up to Canada in 2015 for the Women's tournament.
 
2014-03-18 07:10:43 PM
In a bizarre kind of way, this is actually good news for FIFA. In the cold, harsh light of day even FIFA has come to recognize the Mongolian Cluster fark they have created for themselves (and no, there will not be the artificial clouds and air-conditioned stadiums that they fantasized about). This gives them the perfect face-saving get-out. Expect a statement any day now:

"We have decided to reconsider the location of the tournament. While we in no way doubt the integrity of the process that originally awarded the Finals to Qatar, it is essential to maintaining FIFA's high ethical standards... stop giggling... that the process be free of even the appearance of taint... please, stop laughing... so in the interest of the purity of sport and the reputation of the game at the highest level... OK, now that's just rude."

By the way, let's not forget that the 2018 tournament takes place in Russia. That should be a laugh-a-minute.
 
2014-03-18 07:12:40 PM

RminusQ: ClavellBCMI: Shame Us: Didn't we know all this a couple years ago? Like 30 minutes seconds after two weeks before it was awarded to Qatar?

I was legitimately looking forward to a birthday present of "There will be World Cup games in the USA in a decade" and was thinking "They're not really gonna give it to farking Qatar are they? That's too obviously bribery."
I guess if I'm ever going to see World Cup games, I need to drive up to Canada in 2015 for the Women's tournament.


Just keep your stations ready for whenever Qatar realises they're too incompetent to not fark this up.
 
2014-03-18 07:23:27 PM

Argyle82: I know it's very feasible for the NCAA to disband due to member discontent in the next 20-30 years.

How feasible is a similar FIFA revolt?  Is it even marginally a potential outcome of this absurdity?


The thing is, only the US really cares.  Hell, the whole reason none of this matters is because Warner already got kicked out of FIFA for soliciting bribes from England.  As long as the money keeps rolling in, nobody's going to make waves individually.  The only way anything gets changed is if the federations decide to do something and they're all corrupt as hell, too.  UEFA probably holds the most power, but they're getting a bid about as often as possible (1990, 1998, 2006, 2018) so unless FIFA starts cutting the number of teams Europe gets, I don't see them revolting.
 
2014-03-18 07:41:56 PM
So how legitimately screwed up IS Qatar's bid right now?

Are they running behind?
 
2014-03-18 07:54:23 PM

Argyle82: I know it's very feasible for the NCAA to disband due to member discontent in the next 20-30 years.

How feasible is a similar FIFA revolt?  Is it even marginally a potential outcome of this absurdity?


Here's what I would love to see happen:

FIFA demands that the European leagues take a winter break in 2018 in order to have the Qatar World Cup in January, when it would be feasible.  The various FAs in Europe tell them to take a hike.

When FIFA goes ahead with the winter World Cup, then the US and the European countries and hopefully the South American countries send their under-21s to compete (what under-21 players the big leagues agree to release for a full month anyways).  Then they announce a big international Soccer/Football invitational, without FIFA's participation, played in the summer in the USA.  They sign big TV deals, and all the top countries and superstar players play that summer at that 24 or 32 team tourney instead of the World Cup.

That might break the hold that FIFA hold over international football.  I don't think it's likely this will happen, but I think this is what it would take to clean up the game.
 
2014-03-18 08:10:16 PM
It's one thing to be corrupt, and another thing to be incompetent. But you cannot be both at the same time and expect people not to notice.

See, the US invasion of Iraq as exhibit A.
 
2014-03-18 08:22:46 PM

meyerkev: So how legitimately screwed up IS Qatar's bid right now?


They cannot seriously hold the tournament in summer because spectators will die of heatstroke, let alone the players.

Every league in Europe plus EUFA is appalled at the idea of moving it to the winter because it will disrupt all their leagues plus the European club tournaments.

When Qatar won the bid, FIFA actually pretended to take seriously the suggestion that the hosts would build air-conditioned stadiums and perfect artificial cloud cover.

So the fact that a country with absolutely no soccer infrastructure is way behind on its stadium construction despite killing a handful of third-world laborers every month is actually the least of their issues.

What I can't figure out is who FIFA thinks they are kidding when they deny that any corruption was involved in awarding this tournament to Qatar (oh, and the one before it to Russia.)
 
2014-03-18 08:30:04 PM

meyerkev: So how legitimately screwed up IS Qatar's bid right now?

Are they running behind?


More migrant workers will die building the WC stadiums than players that will play in them.
 
2014-03-18 08:31:48 PM
So just like Brazil?
 
2014-03-18 08:32:32 PM
I was really thinking about travelling to Qatar for the World Cup.  I thought I'd just stay there for the MotoGP also since, why not.

Now I'm not going to.
 
2014-03-18 08:33:11 PM

czetie: meyerkev: So how legitimately screwed up IS Qatar's bid right now?

They cannot seriously hold the tournament in summer because spectators will die of heatstroke, let alone the players.

Every league in Europe plus EUFA is appalled at the idea of moving it to the winter because it will disrupt all their leagues plus the European club tournaments.

When Qatar won the bid, FIFA actually pretended to take seriously the suggestion that the hosts would build air-conditioned stadiums and perfect artificial cloud cover.

So the fact that a country with absolutely no soccer infrastructure is way behind on its stadium construction despite killing a handful of third-world laborers every month is actually the least of their issues.

What I can't figure out is who FIFA thinks they are kidding when they deny that any corruption was involved in awarding this tournament to Qatar (oh, and the one before it to Russia.)


Oh, that's brilliant.

Absolutely brilliant.
 
2014-03-18 08:54:03 PM
The world cup in Qatar is going to be a Debacle no matter what time of year they have it.
 
2014-03-18 09:06:09 PM
At least we can still rely on the bedrock of integrity that is the IOC.
 
2014-03-18 09:15:07 PM

Rodbestboy: It's one thing to be corrupt, and another thing to be incompetent. But you cannot be both at the same time and expect people not to notice.

See, the US invasion of Iraq as exhibit A.


Take it to the politics and history thread, troll.
 
2014-03-18 09:51:05 PM
Meh, it's how any country gets any international competition.  The '02 Winter Olympics are a great example.  (And let me take a moment to again say, "Fark you, Samaranch)
 
2014-03-18 09:55:45 PM
hhhhJohnnyBravo: Rodbestboy: It's one thing to be corrupt, and another thing to be incompetent. But you cannot be both at the same time and expect people not to notice.

See, the US invasion of Iraq as exhibit A.

Take it to the politics and history thread, troll.


Yeah, cause there are no politics in a FIFA corruption charge you homosexual!
 
2014-03-18 10:05:22 PM
To get the World Cup or Olympics, you have to offer bigger bribes than anyone else does. This is how it has always worked.
 
2014-03-18 10:31:45 PM

macdaddy357: To get the World Cup or Olympics, you have to offer bigger bribes than anyone else does. This is how it has always worked.


Yeah, but at least they were (sort of) trying to be subtle before.  Even Salt Lake I thought "well fair enough...there's mountains and stuff".  But...Qatar?  For reals?  It's like they're not even trying anymore.
 
2014-03-18 11:01:29 PM

Moopy Mac: meyerkev: So how legitimately screwed up IS Qatar's bid right now?

Are they running behind?

More migrant workers will die building the WC stadiums than players that will play in them.


I think that has already happened.  Last number I heard was around ~900 deaths (500 of which are Indian immigrants alone).
 
2014-03-18 11:24:07 PM

Rodbestboy: hhhhJohnnyBravo: Rodbestboy: It's one thing to be corrupt, and another thing to be incompetent. But you cannot be both at the same time and expect people not to notice.

See, the US invasion of Iraq as exhibit A.

Take it to the politics and history thread, troll.

Yeah, cause there are no politics in a FIFA corruption charge you homosexual!


Hilarious.
 
2014-03-19 02:45:10 AM
I'm sure I'm not the first person to suggest this but regarding the whole heat at game time issue why don't they just play the games at night?  The local fans going to the games are probably wealthy enough that going to work isn't really more than a formality and the fans across the world will either appreciate the change since it is more convenient or adjust their schedules since a World Cup in the Middle East was already going to cause everyone to record the games or wake up at 2 a.m. to scream at the TV.
As for the bribery when they announced Brazil, Russia and Qatar I was not surprised since FIFA seems to want to use the World Cup as a tool to bring the game to places where it either hasn't been or hasn't been for a long time and seems to want to use it as a tool to have developing nations to use it as a reason to invest in infrastructure.  While that doesn't work in reality the way it works while the host countries are announced I wasn't surprised at all, bribery or not...that's just the way international sports work and that's not going to change any time soon.
That being said, I'm hoping that Russia goes 0-3 in Brazil and then goes gets put in a group with the USA and goes 0-3 on their own soil in 2018.
As for moving the World Cup once it is awarded it would be very difficult but not impossible; hopefully FIFA pulls their heads out of their asses and makes a critical decision if they need to but I really don't see that happening since they seem to value money above all else.  These are the same folks that heavily resisted technology to see if a ball crossed the line for decades even though it boiled down to either cameras or a small chip within the ball and sensors but FIFA decided it was in the spirit of the game to let the referees have the ability to blow the call instead of being able to easily determine if the ball crossed the line.
 
2014-03-19 03:17:44 AM
Corruption within FIFA?  That's simply not possible.  NOT POSSIBLE. The western media is the absolute worst with it's long standing bias and lies.
 
2014-03-19 04:29:49 AM

Koman Coulibaly: Corruption within FIFA?  That's simply not possible.  NOT POSSIBLE. The western media is the absolute worst with it's long standing bias and lies.


Your username is trolltastic to the max.
 
2014-03-19 07:27:43 AM

Koman Coulibaly: Corruption within FIFA?  That's simply not possible.  NOT POSSIBLE. The western media is the absolute worst with it's long standing bias and lies.


We've missed you. You better be around this summer.
 
2014-03-19 08:11:33 AM

RminusQ: Koman Coulibaly: Corruption within FIFA?  That's simply not possible.  NOT POSSIBLE. The western media is the absolute worst with it's long standing bias and lies.

We've missed you. You better be around this summer.


Around the threads only please.  He gets anywhere near a USMNT game and I'm calling in the snipers.
 
2014-03-19 08:16:03 AM

rugman11: Argyle82: I know it's very feasible for the NCAA to disband due to member discontent in the next 20-30 years.

How feasible is a similar FIFA revolt?  Is it even marginally a potential outcome of this absurdity?

The thing is, only the US really cares.  Hell, the whole reason none of this matters is because Warner already got kicked out of FIFA for soliciting bribes from England.  As long as the money keeps rolling in, nobody's going to make waves individually.  The only way anything gets changed is if the federations decide to do something and they're all corrupt as hell, too.  UEFA probably holds the most power, but they're getting a bid about as often as possible (1990, 1998, 2006, 2018) so unless FIFA starts cutting the number of teams Europe gets, I don't see them revolting.


I can tell you that lots of European nations are not happy at all with FIFA and Sepp Blater but Platini is trying to be nice and wants Baltter's job.

Sepp Blatter has run FIFA purely on the "I hate UEFA" ticket for the entire time at the top and needs the votes of Asia, Ociana and CONCACAF to stay in charge. Africa and South America are split but vote for him because he keeps the money rolling in and has added more slots in the WC for African teams.

Now if UEFA decides to play rough then FIFA is in trouble. Most of the money in the world game comes from the European nations and without the TV rights and sponsors (no one is going to pay the massive amounts for WC sponsorship for a devauled WC) FIFA would go bankrupt. Plus if the Swiss start looking at the bribary then FIFA would have to clean up or move to a nation that likes this.
 
2014-03-19 08:30:29 AM
We are discussing something so obvious yet far off, isn't Brazil farked up right now and that's a few months away?
 
2014-03-19 08:35:41 AM
Anyone who follows soccer already knew this. FIFA is the second most corrupt sports organization in the world behind the IOC.

/Formula 1 is a distant third.
 
2014-03-19 09:51:04 AM

Rodbestboy: hhhhJohnnyBravo: Rodbestboy: It's one thing to be corrupt, and another thing to be incompetent. But you cannot be both at the same time and expect people not to notice.

See, the US invasion of Iraq as exhibit A.

Take it to the politics and history thread, troll.

Yeah, cause there are no politics in a FIFA corruption charge you homosexual!


you need to get out more
 
2014-03-19 10:16:18 AM

Ted_Crisp: Moopy Mac: meyerkev: So how legitimately screwed up IS Qatar's bid right now?

Are they running behind?

More migrant workers will die building the WC stadiums than players that will play in them.

I think that has already happened.  Last number I heard was around ~900 deaths (500 of which are Indian immigrants alone).


I haven't seen numbers for Indian or total migrant worker deaths, but the Guardian is reporting that 400 migrants from Nepal died in Qatar in 2013.
 
2014-03-19 10:25:27 AM

Brokenseas: Argyle82: I know it's very feasible for the NCAA to disband due to member discontent in the next 20-30 years.

How feasible is a similar FIFA revolt?  Is it even marginally a potential outcome of this absurdity?

Here's what I would love to see happen:

FIFA demands that the European leagues take a winter break in 2018 in order to have the Qatar World Cup in January, when it would be feasible.  The various FAs in Europe tell them to take a hike.

When FIFA goes ahead with the winter World Cup, then the US and the European countries and hopefully the South American countries send their under-21s to compete (what under-21 players the big leagues agree to release for a full month anyways).  Then they announce a big international Soccer/Football invitational, without FIFA's participation, played in the summer in the USA.  They sign big TV deals, and all the top countries and superstar players play that summer at that 24 or 32 team tourney instead of the World Cup.

That might break the hold that FIFA hold over international football.  I don't think it's likely this will happen, but I think this is what it would take to clean up the game.


Unfortunately, UEFA has already said they'd be OK with doing it in January.
 
2014-03-19 10:50:01 AM
Moosecakes:

Unfortunately, UEFA has already said they'd be OK with doing it in January.

Ah, their cheques cleared.  Excellent.  That covers the Champion's and Europa Leagues.

Now, are the English, French, Spanish and German Football Associations on board too?  If so, that's a shame.  This'll only happen again in at the next round of site selections if everyone agrees to a winter World Cup.
 
2014-03-19 11:05:16 AM
As stated... World Cup's... Olympics.... even here in the U.S. probably Super Bowl sites and Final Four spots, etc.... like anybody doesn't think there is some sort of "greasing the wheels" at some level to get those events to their preferred locale?
 
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