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(The Raw Story)   In today's installment of "Conservatives reach out to the gals": Ralph Reed says making people stay in loveless or abusive marriages is "a better solution than food stamps" for fighting poverty in this country   (rawstory.com) divider line 112
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2014-03-18 01:25:01 PM  
I hope his penis catches fire.
 
2014-03-18 01:25:13 PM  
""A woman is far more likely to end up in poverty. A man's income goes up. So, a lot of the poverty problem in America is a problem of women and children abandoned by the husbands and fathers."

So, farknuts, enforce child support laws, and endorse equal pay for men and women.  I mean, he actually admitted that men's income goes up while women fall prey to poverty.  Suggesting that anyone should stay in an abusive marriage is insane.

I could have proved my ex-husband's infidelity, abusiveness, and rampant alcoholism - as well some truly horrible stuff. But I needed to get out and away and no fault divorce made that possible, thankfully.
 
2014-03-18 01:31:18 PM  
Ralph Reed has always been a shiat stain of a human being and a complete waste of perfectly good oxygen. Anyone that cares what he says is a bad person, and should feel bad.
 
2014-03-18 01:32:17 PM  

serpent_sky: ""A woman is far more likely to end up in poverty. A man's income goes up. So, a lot of the poverty problem in America is a problem of women and children abandoned by the husbands and fathers."

So, farknuts, enforce child support laws, and endorse equal pay for men and women.  I mean, he actually admitted that men's income goes up while women fall prey to poverty.  Suggesting that anyone should stay in an abusive marriage is insane.

I could have proved my ex-husband's infidelity, abusiveness, and rampant alcoholism - as well some truly horrible stuff. But I needed to get out and away and no fault divorce made that possible, thankfully.


Came here to say EXACTLY this.   And I spent five years of my life working to do  exactly that, and Lemme tell you, the system is light years better than it was before thanks to interstate cooperation, but it is still really bad and could be VASTLY improved with minimal investment by the states.  And Yes, that WOULD help lift a significant percentage  of women and children out of poverty.

It's one of those "free market " solutions to the problem conservatives SAY they are all for but never seem to DO anything about when they are in power
 
2014-03-18 01:34:39 PM  

serpent_sky: I mean, he actually admitted that men's income goes up while women fall prey to poverty.


Oh don't worry, they'll issue a hasty clarification on THAT point, I'm sure.  But it still doesn't change the fact that he's right because...I don't know, Ozzie and Harriet or something.
 
2014-03-18 01:38:02 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Ralph Reed has always been a shiat stain of a human being and a complete waste of perfectly good oxygen. Anyone that cares what he says is a bad person, and should feel bad.


Completely agree witht he assessment of him as a fecal matter stain, but sadly he's incredibly influential on the right.   HOW this is true is a mystery to me after his involvement with Jack Abramoff was brought to light.   He was   basically caught on paper agreeing  to whip up moral outrage (for  fee, of course)  against gambling in a state right before a ballot initiative to legalize table games.   And he did it on behalf of one of jack's Indian casino clients who didn't want the competition.

Yet somehow being caught in that level of rank hypocrisy and religious cynicism did nothing whatever to damage his "moral standing" on the right
 
2014-03-18 01:44:51 PM  

Magorn: Marcus Aurelius: Ralph Reed has always been a shiat stain of a human being and a complete waste of perfectly good oxygen. Anyone that cares what he says is a bad person, and should feel bad.

Completely agree witht he assessment of him as a fecal matter stain, but sadly he's incredibly influential on the right.   HOW this is true is a mystery to me after his involvement with Jack Abramoff was brought to light.   He was   basically caught on paper agreeing  to whip up moral outrage (for  fee, of course)  against gambling in a state right before a ballot initiative to legalize table games.   And he did it on behalf of one of jack's Indian casino clients who didn't want the competition.

Yet somehow being caught in that level of rank hypocrisy and religious cynicism did nothing whatever to damage his "moral standing" on the right


Religion is all about suspending one's disbelief.  People who do that as a matter of daily living and make it the most important thing they do are very susceptible to con games and easily convinced not to look at anything too carefully.
 
2014-03-18 02:13:44 PM  

ManateeGag: I hope his penis catches fire.


He's such a dick his entire body would burst into flame.
 
2014-03-18 02:15:40 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Religion is all about suspending one's disbelief. People who do that as a matter of daily living and make it the most important thing they do are very susceptible to con games and easily convinced not to look at anything too carefully.


I came to that realization recently. Most of these "conservatives" are very religious - and that's why they believe anything Fox news tells them. They believe a book written thousands of years ago and translated 70 different times is the honest word of God. (Though they pick and choose, and interpret as they feel like). When someone can't even look at a Bible and think "there are some good stories in here, with principles that I could use to guide my life" - because they think it is the literal word of God., it's not surprising that they can buy any lie thrown at them hook, line, and sinker.

I'm not saying all religious people are stupid or that all atheists/agnostics are intelligent - there's room on all sides for stupidity - but it seems believing so literally isn't exactly the calling card of a genius.
 
2014-03-18 02:20:30 PM  
When it comes to divorce- and women's rights in general- Reed is more inline with Sharia Law than US law.
 
2014-03-18 02:24:23 PM  

vernonFL: When it comes to divorce- and women's rights in general- Reed is more inline with Sharia Law than US law.


That's most of these douchenozzles. They're terrified of Sharia Law, because NOT Jesus, but would LOVE to have their own brand of it in place, because Jesus.
 
2014-03-18 02:52:12 PM  
This guy is great.  You can tell he completely thinks women are lesser human beings.
 
2014-03-18 02:53:34 PM  
but do we really want to make it easier for a man to discard the wife of his youth than it is for him to fire his secretary

what patriarchy
 
2014-03-18 02:55:31 PM  
Faith and Freedom Coalition founder Ralph Reed...

Oh, that's probably why I didn't know who he was.

In an interview with MSNBC's Morning Joe ...

There's another.
 
2014-03-18 02:56:44 PM  

PainInTheASP: serpent_sky: I mean, he actually admitted that men's income goes up while women fall prey to poverty.

Oh don't worry, they'll issue a hasty clarification on THAT point, I'm sure.  But it still doesn't change the fact that he's right because...I don't know, Ozzie and Harriet or something.


"I did not mean to say that women should be paid less than men, I meant to be politically correct and say that  Ovarian-Americans should be paid less than men."
 
2014-03-18 02:56:47 PM  

CynicalLA: This guy is great.  You can tell he completely thinks women are lesser human beings.


I wonder how often he uses the terms "broads", "dames", "skirts" or "frails".....
 
2014-03-18 02:58:05 PM  
Once again GOP, it's not how the message is said, it's the message.  Every time one of you talks about minorities or women, something like this happens.  Your only hope is to shut the hell up so people don't figure out what horrible human beings you really are.
 
2014-03-18 02:58:59 PM  
Considering this man's moral compass is the Holy Bible, I'm pleased that he admits that that property (i.e. women) can be abused.

Baby steps.
 
2014-03-18 03:00:11 PM  
Or you know, we could fix the system that is still stacked against divorced women with children. But yeah, let's blame divorce instead.
 
2014-03-18 03:01:34 PM  
Poor thing is probably terrified of women.  He thinks it should be harder for women to get divorces, but not men, and divorced women shouldn't be given any kind of support thus forcing them to stay married.  Serious abandonment issues, there
 
2014-03-18 03:01:36 PM  
Est homini munde.  The mantra of the adherents of the American political right wing.
 
2014-03-18 03:01:44 PM  

Magorn: serpent_sky: ""A woman is far more likely to end up in poverty. A man's income goes up. So, a lot of the poverty problem in America is a problem of women and children abandoned by the husbands and fathers."

So, farknuts, enforce child support laws, and endorse equal pay for men and women.  I mean, he actually admitted that men's income goes up while women fall prey to poverty.  Suggesting that anyone should stay in an abusive marriage is insane.

I could have proved my ex-husband's infidelity, abusiveness, and rampant alcoholism - as well some truly horrible stuff. But I needed to get out and away and no fault divorce made that possible, thankfully.

Came here to say EXACTLY this.   And I spent five years of my life working to do  exactly that, and Lemme tell you, the system is light years better than it was before thanks to interstate cooperation, but it is still really bad and could be VASTLY improved with minimal investment by the states.  And Yes, that WOULD help lift a significant percentage  of women and children out of poverty.

It's one of those "free market " solutions to the problem conservatives SAY they are all for but never seem to DO anything about when they are in power


While I agree the system needs improvement to give woman and Children the support they need it also needs to allow for DNA tests proving the man is not the biological father to be used as an absolute defense against child support. We should be making the men who abandon their children pay. Not making someone pay for a child that isn't theirs
 
2014-03-18 03:04:16 PM  
I dunno, sounds pretty biblical to me.
 
2014-03-18 03:04:58 PM  
This chump has been turning people away from his "religion" for what, over two decades now? I remember him when I was a kid, and that wasn't exactly yesterday. I always thought and still think that Reed and his ilk stand for everything that's opposite to Christianity, but it's hardly an isolated phenomenon to "believe" his contemptible ideology is the correct one.

People like this are doing more to turn people away from religion than any of their devils could ever do.
 
2014-03-18 03:06:01 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Faith and Freedom Coalition founder Ralph Reed...

Oh, that's probably why I didn't know who he was.

In an interview with MSNBC's Morning Joe ...

There's another.


The "Morning Joe" Show:  also known as "Squint and the Meat Puppet".
 
2014-03-18 03:07:18 PM  
Whatever, the right will latch on to any argument to justify the pleasure they feel when they see poor people suffering. That's what it really comes down to, isn't? They get a woodie at the thought of a poor kid denied a hot meal at school or a homeless person having to abase himself in order to receive a benefit. If you're suffering you must deserve to suffer (on the other hand, if I suffer it's an outrage). If the kids have to pay the price for your bad choices, so be it. You should have thought of that before you arranged to be born poor.
 
2014-03-18 03:07:46 PM  

ManateeGag: I hope his penis catches fire.


If he has a penis, it's a rental from his neighborhood sex toys store.
 
2014-03-18 03:08:23 PM  

Demogorgon: Considering this man's moral compass is the Holy Bible, I'm pleased that he admits that that property (i.e. women) can be abused.

Baby steps.


I seem to recall plural marriages in the Bible.

And concubines.
 
2014-03-18 03:09:05 PM  

serpent_sky: ""A woman is far more likely to end up in poverty. A man's income goes up. So, a lot of the poverty problem in America is a problem of women and children abandoned by the husbands and fathers."

So, farknuts, enforce child support laws, and endorse equal pay for men and women.



fark.  I was all set to hate on Ralph Reed, and then you had to go remind me that both sides are idiotic.

Equal pay is already the law of the land.  It is currently  illegal to pay a woman less than a man because of her gender The gendered wage gap is a statistical aggregation of millions of individual choices, and there is no "equal pay law" that will significantly effect it -- the only country that has overcome the wage gap is Sweden, and they did it by mandating equitable  parental leave, not equitable pay.  But equitable parental leave won't help single mothers, and in that sense Reed is right -- men need to step up and be fathers and take care of their children.  That is what will actually empower women to pursue careers and create "equal pay."

Meanwhile, child support laws are already used as a bludgeon against poor, young men (rich, older men have better lawyers), and keep them trapped in poverty while offering little benefit to either mother or child.  Making this already broken and ineffective system  even more draconian is not a solution.  Goddamn, stop making Ralph Reed sound like he's got a point!   There is a serious cultural problem in America, and the solution is neither More Church nor More Government.  It's a better economy, better sexual education and equitable parental leave.
 
2014-03-18 03:11:42 PM  
Can anyone find the Bloom County strip where Oliver hacks a newspaper to change the headline about Reagan?

/my google-fu came up short
//story of my life
 
2014-03-18 03:12:49 PM  
Of course this guy is totally ignoring the fact that people in unhappy relationships end up either being abusive or the target of abuse, because that simple fact runs counter to his entire bullshiat spiel.
 
2014-03-18 03:12:56 PM  
I'm getting a kick because I have an alcoholic "mother" who is in an abusive marriage that's probably actually better than being completely destitute and single because her retired alcoholic husband has a pension.
 
2014-03-18 03:14:18 PM  
Ralph Reed - never has a man been so deserving of his given name.
 
2014-03-18 03:15:03 PM  
Staying in a loveless marriage is not unheard of.  I've had friends stay in such relationships for 20, 30 years until the kids are grown and then divorce.  Staying in an abusive relationship, however, or suggesting that someone do so, is utterly insane.
 
2014-03-18 03:15:47 PM  
Remember, if you don't like the current batch of solutions to a problem, just redefine the root cause to align with your belief system.  It's the GOP way.
 
2014-03-18 03:17:00 PM  

Banned on the Run: Can anyone find the Bloom County strip where Oliver hacks a newspaper to change the headline about Reagan?

/my google-fu came up short
//story of my life



Found it.  Copy-protected though.
 
2014-03-18 03:17:13 PM  
...This is going to turn into a 2012 repeat, isn't it. What the  f*ck is with this women-hating thing? Do these guys just need therapy?
 
2014-03-18 03:17:29 PM  
Reed asserted that the national debt was connected to the decline in the nation's morality.

*eyeroll*
 
2014-03-18 03:18:09 PM  
Psssssh!

FARK and your misleading headlines, there's no way that someone could be so shiat stupid as to say something so offensive, so damaging to one's character on a popular television show...(clicks link)... g'damnit.

LOL directly in the faces of these Conservatives, you people should be ashamed.
 
2014-03-18 03:20:08 PM  
I don't condone organized violence and would not intentionally promote or provoke it in any way. But if I were to read that a completely random madman attacked Ralph Reed and shattered his knees and shins with a crowbar, I would find a dark satisfaction in that.
 
2014-03-18 03:20:22 PM  

mcreadyblue: Demogorgon: Considering this man's moral compass is the Holy Bible, I'm pleased that he admits that that property (i.e. women) can be abused.

Baby steps.

I seem to recall plural marriages in the Bible.

And concubines.


David gat no heat.
 
2014-03-18 03:21:28 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Magorn: serpent_sky: ""A woman is far more likely to end up in poverty. A man's income goes up. So, a lot of the poverty problem in America is a problem of women and children abandoned by the husbands and fathers."

So, farknuts, enforce child support laws, and endorse equal pay for men and women.  I mean, he actually admitted that men's income goes up while women fall prey to poverty.  Suggesting that anyone should stay in an abusive marriage is insane.

I could have proved my ex-husband's infidelity, abusiveness, and rampant alcoholism - as well some truly horrible stuff. But I needed to get out and away and no fault divorce made that possible, thankfully.

Came here to say EXACTLY this.   And I spent five years of my life working to do  exactly that, and Lemme tell you, the system is light years better than it was before thanks to interstate cooperation, but it is still really bad and could be VASTLY improved with minimal investment by the states.  And Yes, that WOULD help lift a significant percentage  of women and children out of poverty.

It's one of those "free market " solutions to the problem conservatives SAY they are all for but never seem to DO anything about when they are in power

While I agree the system needs improvement to give woman and Children the support they need it also needs to allow for DNA tests proving the man is not the biological father to be used as an absolute defense against child support. We should be making the men who abandon their children pay. Not making someone pay for a child that isn't theirs


I understand the logic of that notion.  It does seem only fair.   But let me go a little Socratic on you and ask:
at what point is a man no longer allowed to challenged paternity?  Is there a "statute of limitations" on declaiming paternity or should it be at any time until the child is 18?
If you claim the latter, then what over the legal doctrine of   laches,which is to say there is a legal notion that if you sit on your rights to long  you have effectively condoned the situation and waived your rights?
More importantly, suppose you always had suspicions the child wasn;t yours, but, you accepted paternity and paid support for a dozen years or so.   Now circumstances change (say cash is tight because you have a second family) so now you figure "what the hell" and demand a DNA test in the hopes it isn't your kid.   What hope does the mother or they system have at that point of finding the REAL father?  How is it fair to then disadvantage this kid after your own lack of action impeded and occluded his remedies against the "rightful father"?

Like everything dealing with family law, this ain't as simple as it first appears, which is why the legal maxim in force currently is "The law shall make no bastards"   which means once a father has claimed paternity, there is a legal bar to de-claiming it.   (That is a touch Archie perhaps but the principle is sound   (and once I saw it work very greatly to the advantage of the father and not the mother when a custody fight got REALLY nasty)
 
2014-03-18 03:25:22 PM  
Of all the humans I have tried to understand, southern females are the most elusive. This helped:

Psychologist Dee Graham has theorized that Stockholm Syndrome occurs on a societal level. Since our culture is patriarchal, she believes that all women suffer from it--to widely varying degrees, of course. She has expanded on her theories in Loving to Survive: Sexual Terror, Men's Violence, and Women's Lives, which is well worth reading. While Graham's book can get quite harsh, it does end on a hopeful note: The most reliable way to deal with Societal Stockholm Syndrome is to develop strong friendships and political alliances with feminist women.

I thought the hopeful ending was wishful thinking.
 
2014-03-18 03:25:33 PM  

serpent_sky: I'm not saying all religious people are stupid or that all atheists/agnostics are intelligent - there's room on all sides for stupidity - but it seems believing so literally isn't exactly the calling card of a genius.


There's where the problem is. The people who believe the Bible is some kind of literal word of our creator. One of the smartest people I know has his degree in physics, and his father is extremely intelligent as well. They are both religious, the father more so, but they also believe in science, and don't believe that were were created from mud, stuff like that. Those types of religious people aren't the ones who cause problems. They're the kind who believe in God, but belileve more that we are some kind of 'hands off' science experiment, rather than some elaborately planned 6,000 year old planet where all of the animals existed from the beginning, and until 'Original Sin', all of the carnivores just used their sharp teeth to eat pineapple... It's the literal interpreters of the Bible, specifically the Young Earth Creationists that are farking things up...
 
2014-03-18 03:28:47 PM  
When people mockingly suggested that if you really believed in the 'sanctity of marriage' you should be trying to outlaw divorce, I never thought the GOP would take the bait.  But they did.  They made it their own in that unmistakable, Republican way:


Outlaw divorce, but only for women.
 
2014-03-18 03:29:42 PM  

theknuckler_33: Reed asserted that the national debt was connected to the decline in the nation's morality.

*eyeroll*


Not too good with economics, are we?

After all, maybe what Ralphie meant was that violence is immoral, and if we just didn't spend so much on new and better ways to kill people, we'd have less debt.

Wait, his Jesus is ok bigger bombs?  Well then, maybe I've got nothing.
 
2014-03-18 03:31:46 PM  

serpent_sky: ""A woman is far more likely to end up in poverty. A man's income goes up. So, a lot of the poverty problem in America is a problem of women and children abandoned by the husbands and fathers."

So, farknuts, enforce child support laws, and endorse equal pay for men and women.  I mean, he actually admitted that men's income goes up while women fall prey to poverty.  Suggesting that anyone should stay in an abusive marriage is insane.

I could have proved my ex-husband's infidelity, abusiveness, and rampant alcoholism - as well some truly horrible stuff. But I needed to get out and away and no fault divorce made that possible, thankfully.


I've been assured here by many on Fark the the whole Family Court system is rigged against men!
 
2014-03-18 03:33:50 PM  

Fast Moon: "I did not mean to say that women should be paid less than men, I meant to be politically correct and say that  Ovarian-Americans should be paid less than men."


I think the preferred term is hostess-Americans.
 
2014-03-18 03:34:14 PM  

Banned on the Run: Can anyone find the Bloom County strip where Oliver hacks a newspaper to change the headline about Reagan?

/my google-fu came up short
//story of my life


Buttocks!!!  Tractors!!!  Something else!!!

/ memory-fu
 
2014-03-18 03:40:43 PM  
Boy, it's a good thing Republicans are cutting down on the number of primaries to try and avoid this kind of thing.
 
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