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(USA Today)   Friends and associates of Colts owner Jim Irsay say he has been battling a serious drug problem for many years now, which should have been obvious to anyone after he decided not to re-sign Peyton Manning   (usatoday.com) divider line 47
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2014-03-18 12:56:36 PM
It sounds like someone should have done something a long time ago. I hope he gets help and gets better.
 
2014-03-18 01:03:02 PM

vernonFL: It sounds like someone should have done something a long time ago. I hope he gets help and gets better.


It's got to hurt the League front office more than a little that they are handing out this big fines and suspension for players caught smoking a little weed here and there when they've apparently been ignoring a pretty open and massive drug problem by one of the owners

I lived outside of Baltimore when the colts left, and I don;t think even those Baltimore Colts fans of yore would wish this on the Irsay family
 
2014-03-18 01:20:45 PM

vernonFL: It sounds like someone should have done something a long time ago. I hope he gets help and gets better.


That's easier said than done.  Most addicted people don't want to hear it, and will dismiss you from their life rather than listen to you .
 
2014-03-18 01:25:43 PM
Interesting to see how this story is being covered as opposed to, say, a player getting busted for same.
 
2014-03-18 01:26:05 PM

twistedmetal: vernonFL: It sounds like someone should have done something a long time ago. I hope he gets help and gets better.

That's easier said than done.  Most addicted people don't want to hear it, and will dismiss you from their life rather than listen to you .


And Irsay is an arrogant motherf*cker on top of being an addict.
 
2014-03-18 01:26:49 PM
Peyton for three, maybe four years (keeping in mind you didn't know if he'd play again at the time they parted ways) versus Andrew Luck for the next decade plus?
You'd have to be on drugs NOT to do that deal
 
2014-03-18 01:27:40 PM

twistedmetal: vernonFL: It sounds like someone should have done something a long time ago. I hope he gets help and gets better.

That's easier said than done.  Most addicted people don't want to hear it, and will dismiss you from their life rather than listen to you .


The word addiction gets thrown around  a lot, but a TRUE addict, is one for whom the addictive substance is THE most important thing in thier life, and they will discard anything that stands between them and getting that substance.  Honor, self-worth,family, job, etc are at best, second place to getting the next fix
 
2014-03-18 01:34:44 PM

Magorn: twistedmetal: vernonFL: It sounds like someone should have done something a long time ago. I hope he gets help and gets better.

That's easier said than done.  Most addicted people don't want to hear it, and will dismiss you from their life rather than listen to you .

The word addiction gets thrown around  a lot, but a TRUE addict, is one for whom the addictive substance is THE most important thing in thier life, and they will discard anything that stands between them and getting that substance.  Honor, self-worth,family, job, etc are at best, second place to getting the next fix


A functional alcoholic is an alcoholic none the less.

/and no less addicted
 
2014-03-18 01:47:19 PM

twistedmetal: Magorn: twistedmetal: vernonFL: It sounds like someone should have done something a long time ago. I hope he gets help and gets better.

That's easier said than done.  Most addicted people don't want to hear it, and will dismiss you from their life rather than listen to you .

The word addiction gets thrown around  a lot, but a TRUE addict, is one for whom the addictive substance is THE most important thing in thier life, and they will discard anything that stands between them and getting that substance.  Honor, self-worth,family, job, etc are at best, second place to getting the next fix

A functional alcoholic is an alcoholic none the less.

/and no less addicted


exactly, the word alcoholic takes precedence over the word functional.  Alcohol is cheap, easy to obtain and legal, so getting you "fix"  a couple of times a day isn't hard, and once you have you can go about your other business.   But, if anything gets in the way of that , it gets tossed aside in favor of the booze.  Wife says she'll leave you if you don't stop drinking? Well. you'll miss her, but she was kinda a biatch anyway always nagging you about your drinking.   Job institutes random drug tests? Well you really didn't want to work for such a fascist place anyway.  Cops start Sobriety Checkpoints near your local bar?  Well. they can;t catch EVERYBODY so your odds are pretty good...,
 
2014-03-18 02:12:38 PM
I figured it was obvious when he traded for Trent Richardson.

/Browns fan
 
2014-03-18 02:16:22 PM

SilentStrider: Peyton for three, maybe four years (keeping in mind you didn't know if he'd play again at the time they parted ways) versus Andrew Luck for the next decade plus?
You'd have to be on drugs NOT to do that deal


Right.  I think they made the right call there.
 
2014-03-18 02:19:10 PM

stappawho: SilentStrider: Peyton for three, maybe four years (keeping in mind you didn't know if he'd play again at the time they parted ways) versus Andrew Luck for the next decade plus?
You'd have to be on drugs NOT to do that deal

Right.  I think they made the right call there.


Well, it's safe ty assume that Peyton's not as good as he used to be.
 
2014-03-18 02:24:17 PM

stappawho: SilentStrider: Peyton for three, maybe four years (keeping in mind you didn't know if he'd play again at the time they parted ways) versus Andrew Luck for the next decade plus?
You'd have to be on drugs NOT to do that deal

Right.  I think they made the right call there.


Agreed, but only due to the benefit of hindsight.  It could easily have gone the other way.
I'm not saying they were groan lucky with Luck, I'm sure they researched it as much as possible.
 
2014-03-18 02:27:10 PM

twistedmetal: vernonFL: It sounds like someone should have done something a long time ago. I hope he gets help and gets better.

That's easier said than done.  Most addicted people don't want to hear it, and will dismiss you from their life rather than listen to you .


And when the addict is a millionaire and your job depends on his good graces it's probably even more difficult to be honest with him. In most cases, it's more important for friends and peers to try and talk to them as opposed to family members. Sure, the family has the most at stake, but it's tough to tell your Dad, or husband, or brother he's becoming an embarrassment due to his drinking.
 
2014-03-18 02:28:55 PM
There's talk of a suspension from three league.

How does one suspend an owner? He doesn't play, he didn't coach, he pays the bills.

"ok, no one gets paid for a month. That will teach him!"
 
2014-03-18 02:31:58 PM

sigdiamond2000: Interesting to see how this story is being covered as opposed to, say, a player getting busted for same.


Exactly.  We always call players dumbshiats and ask how they could have so much money and not hire someone to drive.  For Irsay it's aww poor guy needs help.  I'm willing to wager most of the owners who were born into billions have similar issues.
 
2014-03-18 02:49:15 PM

Shame Us: twistedmetal: vernonFL: It sounds like someone should have done something a long time ago. I hope he gets help and gets better.

That's easier said than done.  Most addicted people don't want to hear it, and will dismiss you from their life rather than listen to you .

And Irsay is an arrogant motherf*cker on top of being an addict.


IMHO, there are situations where it's all about resources.  As long the resources (money) hold up, the abuser could care less about the ramifications of said behavior.  Take away the resources and watch the paradigm change.  The crime aspect with respect to those without resources is another matter entirely, far beyond my comprehension.

Rich kid abuses whatever just because he can?  Sounds like a job creator to me.  Addict?  My bullshiat meter wants to blow apart.  Jail?  Fear?  Rehab?  I wish I could parse this without sounding like an asshole but me just too stoopid.

/ just thinking about experiences in my little universe
 
2014-03-18 02:49:50 PM
Speaking as a former resident of Maryland, I am incapable of any substantial sympathy for Irsay and his ilk. He made his choices, and it all lies in the hands of his family now.

Also, we also apologize to Cleveland. If Irsay didn't leave, we wouldn't have had to seduce Art Modell and you'd probably be the one with two Super Bowl rings right now.

Our bad, hon.
 
2014-03-18 02:51:06 PM

elguerodiablo: sigdiamond2000: Interesting to see how this story is being covered as opposed to, say, a player getting busted for same.

Exactly.  We always call players dumbshiats and ask how they could have so much money and not hire someone to drive.  For Irsay it's aww poor guy needs help.  I'm willing to wager most of the owners who were born into billions have similar issues.


This.
Nobody is calling for him to be kicked out of the NFL for ever like they do with players.

twistedmetal: Magorn: twistedmetal: vernonFL: It sounds like someone should have done something a long time ago. I hope he gets help and gets better.

That's easier said than done.  Most addicted people don't want to hear it, and will dismiss you from their life rather than listen to you .

The word addiction gets thrown around  a lot, but a TRUE addict, is one for whom the addictive substance is THE most important thing in thier life, and they will discard anything that stands between them and getting that substance.  Honor, self-worth,family, job, etc are at best, second place to getting the next fix

A functional alcoholic is an alcoholic none the less.

/and no less addicted


You know what the difference between an alcoholic and a functional alcoholic is? An alcoholic misses work and other important events because of his problem, putting stress on others to fill in for him. A functional alcoholic is able to make it to work and important events, and may appear normal and competent in his duties, but because he is impaired he is making mistakes that will hurt him, his family, his employer and coworkers and they are going unnoticed because everybody thinks that he is functional.

And on another note

FTA
I asked him two months ago about his weight loss, which has brought him from 235 pounds to 165 pounds, and he insisted that the doctors wanted him to lose weight to keep the strain off his troublesome back and hip.

That's crack. He's a crack head.
 
2014-03-18 02:51:42 PM
I think that decision was easier because of the injury unknown than it was to trade Favre, but I am a Packers fan.
 
2014-03-18 02:55:01 PM
Legalize it.
 
2014-03-18 02:56:05 PM
Um, it would've been pretty stupid to keep Peyton. Broken neck knee drip 36 year old? Calling you out subby
 
2014-03-18 03:19:29 PM

rjakobi: Also, we also apologize to Cleveland. If Irsay didn't leave, we wouldn't have had to seduce Art Modell and you'd probably be the one with two Super Bowl rings right now.


People keep saying this, but that is incorrect.  Cleveland would have three Super Bowls if the Browns hadn't moved to Baltimore.  Remember Belichick was the coach, so Tom Brady likely would have been the QB for the Browns.

The biggest questions would be what teams Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis be on if not the Ravens.
Would Belichick have picked JO over Terry Glenn?
Would Ray Lewis have dropped to the second round?

The draft wouldn't have gone the same way, so all you have to wonder is who Belichick would have drafted and I doubt it would have been the same people thus the Super Bowl "teams" never would have existed.  Now what we can guess on are the people have Belichick did draft.  Tom Brady, Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, Gostkowski, Gronkowski, Matt Light, Asante Samuel, Hernandez, etc.

Don't automatically give the Browns the Ravens picks.  Give them the Patriots picks.
 
2014-03-18 03:31:02 PM
It's ok, it's ok folks. Really, calm down. He's a job creator. He's white. He's rich.

Ricky Williams is unavailable for comment.
 
2014-03-18 03:31:21 PM

thecpt: Um, it would've been pretty stupid to keep Peyton. Broken neck knee drip 36 year old? Calling you out subby


If you're going to call out subby, call him out for that egregiously misplaced apostrophe.
 
2014-03-18 03:34:09 PM
A friend of mine decided to finally to get treatment for her alcoholism, she leaves sometime this week and is scared shiatless. I'm being as supportive as I can and warned her they will probably not going to let her smoke pot or cigs there. She figured they would about the pot but freaked over the cigarettes. And she got pissy at me last night because she wanted to go on one more bender before she went in. Told her I will make her a steak when she gets out.
 
2014-03-18 03:38:01 PM
I think a year suspension, a first round draft pick, and $500,000. fine is fair. An owner violating the leagues substance abuse policy and smearing the good name of the NFL is serious business.
 
2014-03-18 04:04:15 PM
Magorn:
I lived outside of Baltimore when the colts left, and I don;t think even those Baltimore Colts fans of yore would wish this on the Irsay family


Not so sure of that. That family is still thoroughly despised in Baltimore.

He's just like his drunk asshole father. And anyone could see from reading his Twitter feed that the guy wasn't all there.
 
2014-03-18 04:08:55 PM

Magorn: Wife says she'll leave you if you don't stop drinking? Well. you'll miss her, but she was kinda a biatch anyway always nagging you about your drinking.   Job institutes random drug tests? Well you really didn't want to work for such a fascist place anyway.  Cops start Sobriety Checkpoints near your local bar?  Well. they can;t catch EVERYBODY so your odds are pretty good...,


Sir, I will thank you to kindly put my diary back underneath my mattress where you found it!
 
2014-03-18 04:10:27 PM

rjakobi: Speaking as a former resident of Maryland, I am incapable of any substantial sympathy for Irsay and his ilk. He made his choices, and it all lies in the hands of his family now.

Also, we also apologize to Cleveland. If Irsay didn't leave, we wouldn't have had to seduce Art Modell and you'd probably be the one with two Super Bowl rings right now.

Our bad, hon.


If it wasn't for Irsay, the slut would have had her mobster husband murdered in Baltimore and we would have the St Louis Colts. It's a complicated world we live in.
 
2014-03-18 04:27:34 PM
The guy had to have been high and drunk to wear a shirt like that.
 
2014-03-18 04:37:09 PM
"Aw c'mon BA...you used hard drugs just to get me outta the locker room!  *Hard* drugs...!" - Phil Elliott, North Dallas Forty
 
2014-03-18 04:43:15 PM
I see the Baltimore Butthurt Brigade is out in full force...
 
2014-03-18 05:10:30 PM
With that kind of money I"d woulda had a hooker squiring me around town while I was doing blow off another hookers tits.
/Come to think of it with that kind of money I could probably afford the penalty they give him.
 
2014-03-18 05:10:46 PM

elguerodiablo: sigdiamond2000: Interesting to see how this story is being covered as opposed to, say, a player getting busted for same.

Exactly.  We always call players dumbshiats and ask how they could have so much money and not hire someone to drive.  For Irsay it's aww poor guy needs help.  I'm willing to wager most of the owners who were born into billions have similar issues.


The article mentions that "Colts insiders" were trying to get Irsay a driver, and most locals I've talked to think he's a dumbshiat for not doing it.

Honestly, that's a good idea for anyone who wants to drive through Hamilton County without a Republican Party bumper sticker and Christian music on the stereo.  Particularly Carmel.
 
2014-03-18 05:18:11 PM
Losac: And anyone could see from reading his Twitter feed that the guy wasn't all there.

The first thing I thought when I read about his problems was "Ahhh, that explains his insane Twitter posts".

Still, if he wants to sell me the George Harrison Gibson SG

proguitarshop.com

that Irsay paid $570,000 for about $100, I'll listen to his offer.

/Mmmmmm.....guitar porn.......mmmmmmmm
 
2014-03-18 06:27:01 PM
 
2014-03-18 07:05:31 PM
but i thought super bowl xlviii showed Jim Irsay was right to release Peyton? so which is it?
 
2014-03-18 11:52:28 PM

King Something: stappawho: SilentStrider: Peyton for three, maybe four years (keeping in mind you didn't know if he'd play again at the time they parted ways) versus Andrew Luck for the next decade plus?
You'd have to be on drugs NOT to do that deal

Right.  I think they made the right call there.

Well, it's safe ty assume that Peyton's not as good as he used to be.


You take that back. He is just as clutch in the playoffs as he has always been.
 
2014-03-19 02:06:58 AM

rjakobi: Also, we also apologize to Cleveland. If Irsay didn't leave, we wouldn't have had to seduce Art Modell and you'd probably be the one with two Super Bowl rings right now.


Wow, that's weapons-grade rationalization of doing the same thing, right there...

Except Cleveland didn't force the Browns to leave by threatening to seize the team through eminent domain.  Baltimore made their own bed.
 
2014-03-19 02:12:50 AM

SilentStrider: Peyton for three, maybe four years (keeping in mind you didn't know if he'd play again at the time they parted ways) versus Andrew Luck for the next decade plus?
You'd have to be on drugs NOT to do that deal


Especially since the facts at the time were 1) He couldn't throw a football ten feet.  2) No one could say for sure if he would EVER be able to again. 3) You were going to have to jettison almost all the high profile talent around him and essentially start from scratch with a severely restricted cap due to Manning's contract.

Even if they wanted to keep him, to put him behind the patchwork o-line they would have been able to put together could have been extremely dangerous for him.

This was the rare NFL business decision that was the best thing for both parties long term, and was forced almost entirely by circumstance.
 
2014-03-19 04:03:21 AM

degenerate-afro: rjakobi: Also, we also apologize to Cleveland. If Irsay didn't leave, we wouldn't have had to seduce Art Modell and you'd probably be the one with two Super Bowl rings right now.

People keep saying this, but that is incorrect.  Cleveland would have three Super Bowls if the Browns hadn't moved to Baltimore.  Remember Belichick was the coach, so Tom Brady likely would have been the QB for the Browns.

The biggest questions would be what teams Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis be on if not the Ravens.
Would Belichick have picked JO over Terry Glenn?
Would Ray Lewis have dropped to the second round?

The draft wouldn't have gone the same way, so all you have to wonder is who Belichick would have drafted and I doubt it would have been the same people thus the Super Bowl "teams" never would have existed.  Now what we can guess on are the people have Belichick did draft.  Tom Brady, Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, Gostkowski, Gronkowski, Matt Light, Asante Samuel, Hernandez, etc.

Don't automatically give the Browns the Ravens picks.  Give them the Patriots picks.


Tom Brady as a Cleveland Brown??? It's pretty crazy to imagine a world where Tom Brady sucks at football.
 
2014-03-19 04:15:20 AM

Forecaster18: SilentStrider: Peyton for three, maybe four years (keeping in mind you didn't know if he'd play again at the time they parted ways) versus Andrew Luck for the next decade plus?
You'd have to be on drugs NOT to do that deal

Especially since the facts at the time were 1) He couldn't throw a football ten feet.  2) No one could say for sure if he would EVER be able to again. 3) You were going to have to jettison almost all the high profile talent around him and essentially start from scratch with a severely restricted cap due to Manning's contract.

Even if they wanted to keep him, to put him behind the patchwork o-line they would have been able to put together could have been extremely dangerous for him.

This was the rare NFL business decision that was the best thing for both parties long term, and was forced almost entirely by circumstance.


Yeah, I don't see the logic behind the "Colts should've re-signed Manning" camp. His chances of coming back healthy were slim. There were just way too many pros to taking your chances with Andrew Luck, and it's paying off.
 
2014-03-19 07:05:08 AM

steveGswine: elguerodiablo: sigdiamond2000: Interesting to see how this story is being covered as opposed to, say, a player getting busted for same.

Exactly.  We always call players dumbshiats and ask how they could have so much money and not hire someone to drive.  For Irsay it's aww poor guy needs help.  I'm willing to wager most of the owners who were born into billions have similar issues.

The article mentions that "Colts insiders" were trying to get Irsay a driver, and most locals I've talked to think he's a dumbshiat for not doing it.

Honestly, that's a good idea for anyone who wants to drive through Hamilton County without a Republican Party bumper sticker and Christian music on the stereo.  Particularly Carmel.


Your car better be less that 2 years old and recently washed as well.
 
2014-03-19 07:18:26 AM

xaks: Full circle, here we go!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/18/colts-announce-irsay -h as-entered-a-facility-for-treatment-and-care/


Yep. You can unfollow Jim Irsay. Carlie Irsay-Gordan is now the principal of authority for the Indianapolis Colts.
 
2014-03-19 09:24:35 AM

steveGswine: elguerodiablo: sigdiamond2000: Interesting to see how this story is being covered as opposed to, say, a player getting busted for same.

Exactly.  We always call players dumbshiats and ask how they could have so much money and not hire someone to drive.  For Irsay it's aww poor guy needs help.  I'm willing to wager most of the owners who were born into billions have similar issues.

The article mentions that "Colts insiders" were trying to get Irsay a driver, and most locals I've talked to think he's a dumbshiat for not doing it.

Honestly, that's a good idea for anyone who wants to drive through Hamilton County without a Republican Party bumper sticker and Christian music on the stereo.  Particularly Carmel.


Corb Lund wholeheartedly agrees!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkAeY-OGp9k
 
2014-03-19 09:35:41 AM

Forecaster18: rjakobi: Also, we also apologize to Cleveland. If Irsay didn't leave, we wouldn't have had to seduce Art Modell and you'd probably be the one with two Super Bowl rings right now.

Wow, that's weapons-grade rationalization of doing the same thing, right there...

Except Cleveland didn't force the Browns to leave by threatening to seize the team through eminent domain.  Baltimore made their own bed.


I still wanted to see state troopers put up roadblocks on I-70 and seize the Mayflowers.

/for the lulz
 
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