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(CBS News)   Unaware of ACA subsidies, 1/3 of those without health insurance plan to stay that way because they believe they can't afford it. White house grade for educating public about ACA: FAIL   (cbsnews.com) divider line 338
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2014-03-18 08:19:35 AM  
Yep.  They've failed miserably on the entire program.  Only 5 million people have signed up.  The gop controlled house should hold a vote to repeal the entire law. The numbers are getting better every day and it's likely the plan will be successful in the long run.
 
2014-03-18 08:23:53 AM  
I believe the GOP and FOX News have done far more to "educate" the public about Obamacare than the Feds could ever hope to do.
 
2014-03-18 08:31:52 AM  
Massive misinformation campaign (or is that disinformation... too early to brain this morning) and an entire political party crying foul at any attempt to enlist common marketing techniques to make the public aware of the law could maybe have had a tiny bit of effect.

Still, 5 million ain't nothing to sneeze at.

/but did they PAY??? For God's sake, have they paid their premiums? That's the real test, dammit.
 
2014-03-18 08:34:54 AM  
The headline is amusing as all fark.

But still, they've done a pretty good job in the marketing side of things, the problem is with the abject morans who bought into the Republican lies about the program. For whatever reason, no amount of education or truth or fact or, likely, actual personal experience seems to be able to break through the shield of crazy they've built up.

I guess that, for some at least, I can point and laugh at the fact that the penalties are going to be much, much higher than $94 or whatever BS AM radio is selling today.
 
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2014-03-18 08:40:57 AM  
People who don't watch anything but Fox are unaware of a lot of things.
 
2014-03-18 09:02:37 AM  
If you're unemployed, you're probably unable to afford it. Got a friend, a Democrat, who likes the ACA, and saves money with it, but as an unemployed student over 40, he's receiving zero subsidy. Were it not for his savings, he would be in serious trouble.
 
2014-03-18 09:12:03 AM  
skinnycatullus:

/but did they PAY??? For God's sake, have they paid their premiums? That's the real test, dammit.

I will tell you this, in my state we have our own website set up to enroll. It has been a giant clusterfark from everything to enrollment, policy activation, through payment. There have been families that have signed up for Jan 1, and have yet to have premiums. Others are on hold for an average of 50 minutes, $155m in federal "grants" to build a site that doesn't work and exchange agents who have been surveyed as:

Two percent of agents "indicate they are convinced MNsure will eventually work, and be a benefit to clients, while 13 percent are hopeful it will eventually work," according to a survey report released Tuesday. "Nearly 60 percent express disbelief it will ever work well, but expect to keep trying.
"More than 19 percent have given up trying," the report says.



Outfarkingstanding work, worth the $155m
 
2014-03-18 09:18:02 AM  
Maddow was reporting a few months ago about how the law was implemented in MA with a metric buttload of ads including popular sports figures doing commercials. I didn't notice many both because I already had insurance and have a Tivo.  The Obama admin wanted to do the same with NFL figures, but the GOP successfully Kochblocked that plan.

Hence the reason he went on Between Two Ferns.  And why the GOP got all bent out of shape over it.
 
2014-03-18 09:38:14 AM  
I give the White House a solid B. The GOP gets a A+ with all the extra credit questions correct, too.
 
2014-03-18 09:42:03 AM  

Ricardo Klement: Got a friend, a Democrat, who lives in a GOP controlled state that refused to expand Medicaid out of spite, likes the ACA, and saves money with it, but as an unemployed student over 40, he's receiving zero subsidy.

 
2014-03-18 11:02:21 AM  
does the WH even have the money to publicize anything ACA related? doesn't that require congress (and therefore is a dead end)?

the only "education" on the ACA is coming from the GOP.
 
2014-03-18 12:03:49 PM  
The decisions to not take the Medicaid expansion are likely hurting a whole lot of these people.  They're in the hole that was supposed to not exist.
 
2014-03-18 12:25:14 PM  
republicans: the ACA is the worst law ever written. it's like a holocaust wrapped in a pogrom inside a genocide!

american public: Uhhh...

republicans: WHY ISN'T THE WHITE HOUSE DOING A BETTER JOB OF PUBLICIZING THE ACA!!!
 
2014-03-18 12:49:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I believe the GOP and FOX News have done far more to "educate" the public about Obamacare than the Feds could ever hope to do.


Pretty much how I see the ACA situation too.

White Southerners acting against their own best interests, several times each day.
 
2014-03-18 12:55:20 PM  
While this isn't ideal, its kind of hard to judge if its a success or failure of the program. There's no real standard against which to measure it.
 
2014-03-18 01:01:32 PM  

DamnYankees: While this isn't ideal, its kind of hard to judge if its a success or failure of the program. There's no real standard against which to measure it.


Yes there is.  I heard on the Politics tab that it has a lot in common with the Final Solution.
 
2014-03-18 01:04:42 PM  

Ricardo Klement: If you're unemployed, you're probably unable to afford it. Got a friend, a Democrat, who likes the ACA, and saves money with it, but as an unemployed student over 40, he's receiving zero subsidy. Were it not for his savings, he would be in serious trouble.


If you're unemployed with zero income, you should be covered by medicaid. Is your friend not covered by that?
 
2014-03-18 01:06:09 PM  
I will say this - the government should have done a much better job at explaining the subsidy thresholds. They should have put out actual numbers - "if you're a family of 4 making less than $90K per year, you get discounts on the insurance programs". I've never really heard the administration cite numbers like that.
 
2014-03-18 01:07:25 PM  
While filling out insurance paperwork for a new health care provider said health care provider lamented the amount of paperwork required and said "It's just going to get so much worse now that the government is running health care."

Once again, a health care provider said this to me while I was filling out forms to have my private insurance company reimburse her for the cost of providing care to me.

This from a purportedly intelligent and well-educated professional working in the industry.

I decided to take my business elsewhere, but I wish I had been quick enough to ask "Do your paychecks come from the state or directly from Washington?" before I left.
 
2014-03-18 01:31:05 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: ...I decided to take my business elsewhere, but I wish I had been quick enough to ask "Do your paychecks come from the state or directly from Washington?" before I left.

So you just left your new healthcare provider who agreed with your old healthcare provider that Obamacare is a hot turd (eh, but what would healthcare providers know about it?)  Sounds like the ACA is just working out great for you!

/ But seriously, I hope your next healthcare provider is smarter than your previous healthcare providers and tells you how wonderful gov't run healthcare provision will be
 
2014-03-18 01:32:41 PM  

oldernell: Yep.  They've failed miserably on the entire program.  Only 5 million people have signed up.  The gop controlled house should hold a vote to repeal the entire law. The numbers are getting better every day and it's likely the plan will be successful in the long run.


Exactly. As numbers approach a full 1.5% it can only be seen as a mandate.
 
2014-03-18 01:33:13 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I believe the GOP and FOX News have done far more to "educate" the public about Obamacare than the Feds could ever hope to do.


Yeah, you don't think the deliberate misinformation campaign on the right might not have had something to do with it? All those scare stories about how peoples rates quintupled after 0bamacare stole their doctors and all that?
 
2014-03-18 01:33:22 PM  
The lies about the ACA ran around the world, while the truth was still putting its pants on.
 
2014-03-18 01:34:22 PM  

oldernell: Yep.  They've failed miserably on the entire program.  Only 5 million people have signed up.  The gop controlled house should hold a vote to repeal the entire law. The numbers are getting better every day and it's likely the plan will be successful in the long run.


You should also give the GOP credit for disseminating false and or confusing information to help confuse the public even further than the inept roll-out did.
 
2014-03-18 01:34:28 PM  
White grade for educating public = F
GOP grade for propagandizing public = D  [for dumb-ass, and for the facts that 1) millions are getting healthcare despite their attempts and 2) the fewer people that sign up, the less it costs the government so when they then try to repeal it, people laugh at them for trying.]
 
2014-03-18 01:35:35 PM  
Shut it all down, burn the hospitals to the ground, and we will never die
 
2014-03-18 01:36:14 PM  
Subtard:
The GOP, especially at the state level, have done everything they can to block public education of Obamacare, to the point of outlawing it in some states (or at least prohibiting any state worker from taking part in it).
 
2014-03-18 01:36:16 PM  

oldernell: Yep.  They've failed miserably on the entire program.  Only 5 million people have signed up.  The gop controlled house should hold a vote to repeal the entire law. The numbers are getting better every day and it's likely the plan will be successful in the long run.


No they haven't. Estimated 20% have paud. You aren't signed until the forst payment is processed. It is estimated 85% of those signed up previously had insurance prior to their plans being cancelled. So no. Your number is utter bullshiat.
 
2014-03-18 01:37:05 PM  

skinnycatullus: Massive misinformation campaign (or is that disinformation... too early to brain this morning) and an entire political party crying foul at any attempt to enlist common marketing techniques to make the public aware of the law could maybe have had a tiny bit of effect.

Still, 5 million ain't nothing to sneeze at.

/but did they PAY??? For God's sake, have they paid their premiums? That's the real test, dammit.


Misinformation? Keep your doctor? Keep your plan? Save 2500 on average? Guess you are right.
 
2014-03-18 01:37:19 PM  
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him stop watching Fox News.
 
2014-03-18 01:37:32 PM  
Given that several GOP-controlled states passed legislation making it illegal to tell people about the ACA and to help them find plans, this is not surprising at all.
 
2014-03-18 01:37:40 PM  

Il Douchey: Mr. Coffee Nerves: ...I decided to take my business elsewhere, but I wish I had been quick enough to ask "Do your paychecks come from the state or directly from Washington?" before I left.

So you just left your new healthcare provider who agreed with your old healthcare provider that Obamacare is a hot turd (eh, but what would healthcare providers know about it?)  Sounds like the ACA is just working out great for you!

/ But seriously, I hope your next healthcare provider is smarter than your previous healthcare providers and tells you how wonderful gov't run healthcare provision will be


Any healthcare provider that believes that the ACA is "government run healthcare" in my presence is too stupid to be my healthcare provider. I understand it is a politically divisive but keep your politics to yourself if you are being paid to provide me a service.
 
2014-03-18 01:38:01 PM  

MyRandomName: No they haven't. Estimated 20% have paud.


Can you please cite this? If you look at this page (which has tons of citations), they peg that number at 85%.

http://acasignups.net/paid-unpaid
 
2014-03-18 01:38:16 PM  
This thread's already going strong in the Politics tab.  Try and keep up.
 
2014-03-18 01:38:55 PM  
Wow, 5 million sign-ups, but no hard numbers on how many have actually paid and acquired plans.  Meanwhile, over 5 million cancellations, with millions more to follow.  So even using the WH elevated, self-serving numbers, the whole thing is a massive wash, with people that actually paid for their plans being substituted by people who are having taxpayers cover theirs.

This is what success looks like to Democrats.
 
2014-03-18 01:39:06 PM  

dr_blasto: The headline is amusing as all fark.

But still, they've done a pretty good job in the marketing side of things, the problem is with the abject morans who bought into the Republican lies about the program.


As opposed to the lies of Obama. Such as, if you like your policy, you can keep it. Or if you like your doctor, you can keep him (or her).
 
2014-03-18 01:39:15 PM  
I have a quick fix for part of this problem. Add a line to the Miranda warning when making arrests. "You also have the right to affordable health care. If you cannot afford the premiums for health insurance obtained through healthcare.gov, you may qualify for subsidies to cover the cost."

You have to figure the people who get locked up are almost wholly subsumed in the larger group of people who don't know how the ACA works.
 
2014-03-18 01:39:24 PM  

FlashHarry: does the WH even have the money to publicize anything ACA related? doesn't that require congress (and therefore is a dead end)?

the only "education" on the ACA is coming from the GOP.


Holy crud, have you not turned on a TV or Radio in the last 12 months? They have spent $600 million dollars promoting this thing.
 
2014-03-18 01:39:39 PM  
just more proof that we need Intelligence tests to vote.

JFC.
 
2014-03-18 01:39:52 PM  

Otto_E_Rodika: Wow, 5 million sign-ups, but no hard numbers on how many have actually paid and acquired plans.


www.acasignups.net has hard numbers are both those things, rather meticulously sourced.
 
2014-03-18 01:40:18 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Ricardo Klement: Got a friend, a Democrat, who lives in a GOP controlled state that refused to expand Medicaid out of spite, likes the ACA, and saves money with it, but as an unemployed student over 40, he's receiving zero subsidy.


Or they realized that in 3 years the biggest budgetary item they had would become even larger. Just because you fail at simple concepts doesnt mean everybody does.

By the way... you are aware that Medicaid pays put arpund 70 cents on the dollar causing a cost shift to privately insured, a shift many times larger than the uninsured problem. So making this cost even bigger is sure to decrease healthcare costs! Lets look at the benefits from the Oregon study while we are at it.... no benefits you say. Well Damn.
 
2014-03-18 01:40:53 PM  

vpb: People who don't watch anything but Fox are unaware of a lot of things.


Even the White House can't fix stupid. Just look at all the idiots who've actually lived there.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: While filling out insurance paperwork for a new health care provider said health care provider lamented the amount of paperwork required and said "It's just going to get so much worse now that the government is running health care."


I like it when military veterans tell me that. I guess they don't use the VA healthcare either, and pay for their own healthcare, since the government can't do anything right.
 
2014-03-18 01:40:54 PM  

Arkanaut: Given that several GOP-controlled states passed legislation making it illegal to tell people about the ACA and to help them find plans, this is not surprising at all.


Yes. Because a state can silence the feds. How ignorant a thought.
 
2014-03-18 01:41:23 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I believe the GOP and FOX News have done far more to "educate" the public about Obamacare than the Feds could ever hope to do.


This.

Where Republicans are in control, they've been lying to their constituents about the ACA since before it was even passed into law.  It is no wonder that the highest concentration of those who don't understand the ACA and are thus going without insurance are in Republican controlled parts of the country.

There has always been a lot of lying in politics, but Republicans are hurting and killing their constituents in order to try to score political points.  That is pretty pathetic.
 
2014-03-18 01:42:09 PM  

rbuzby: The lies about the ACA ran around the world, while the truth was still putting its pants on.


There's very little that can be done about that. Teaching critical thinking in schools would help but, well, you know how likely that is.
 
2014-03-18 01:42:11 PM  
As long as they can afford the fine, it shouldn't be an issue.
 
2014-03-18 01:42:39 PM  

Ricardo Klement: If you're unemployed, you're probably unable to afford it. Got a friend, a Democrat, who likes the ACA, and saves money with it, but as an unemployed student over 40, he's receiving zero subsidy. Were it not for his savings, he would be in serious trouble.


Medicaid??????

Perhaps he is unemployed because he is lazy and doesn't look into things like job opportunities or social programs that can actually help him.
 
2014-03-18 01:42:47 PM  

DamnYankees: While this isn't ideal, its kind of hard to judge if its a success or failure of the program. There's no real standard against which to measure it.


This obscure site disagrees with you, as it details four goals (standards of success) for ACA: http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform
1 Stronger Rights & Protections
2 Better Access to Care
3 More Affordable Coverage
4 Stronger Medicare
 
2014-03-18 01:42:57 PM  
Is this an additional 1/3?  http://www.fark.com/comments/8183559/Tune-in-turn-on-opt-out   'cause that's 2/3 and that's a lot.
 
2014-03-18 01:43:08 PM  
OK, Republicans, you win. Medicare for everyone from birth it is.
 
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