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2014-03-18 07:13:34 AM  
the GOP is desperate to believe that Obama is a failure.  its part of their mythology - they HAVE to see Obama as anything other than successful.  they're building the idea that its their job to 'retake' the country and rebuild from the ruins of obama socialisms and same sex marriage abortions for all.  a unskewed and unbiased reading of polling data would show that the GOP is their own worst enemy...but that's not something party leaders will openly acknowledge.  I think what disturbs me most about the GOP right now is they seem to be getting even MORE deep into religious extremism.  I didn't even think that was possible...yet here we are, with the Republicans clinging ever more closely to the religious right and bunkering down with the bible freaks and intolerant jack holes who think Rush Limbaugh's 4 divorces are sacred institutions while two gay guys in a stable 20 year relationship are somehow a threat to marriage everywhere.

I dunno.  I guess we'll have to wait and see how all this shakes out.  But the GOP had their cages rattled but good these past two years.  they're desperate and VERY motivated right now, although they won't phrase it in those terms.  I'm just concerned they'll lie and cheat their way into gaining more power rather than losing their grip on Congress...which is what they deserve to have happen to them.  But even if the GOP loses, I doubt they'll take it very well.  even a best case scenario where the Republicans lose key seats means that the remaining GOP in office are likely to redouble their obstructionist efforts and gridlock Congress just on general principal.  So even if the Democrats win, they STILL lose.  Round and round it goes....
 
2014-03-18 07:18:27 AM  
Math is hard.
 
2014-03-18 07:19:56 AM  
This is the same hokum that is brought up in the second midterms of every president. It holds when the President is egregiously unliked, as in Bush's second term and even Clinton's second term. But Obama isn't the lightning rod that those two were.

All the Dems have to do is stay on message and pound home the message that Republicans want to take away entitlements. There are many more poor people than rich people, so it's an easy sell when you're playing Robin Hood.

The Republicans don't have a story this election. Obamacare is a dead argument. The economy is a dead argument, and one left for the next Presidential election. The culture war is only going to rile the hardcore base and it will turn off the party moderates.

2014 is all but lost for the Republicans.
 
2014-03-18 07:25:42 AM  
Obama's 40% approval ratings are worse than Congress' 9% approval ratings

It could very well be that Obama's approval rating is lower than the average Congressional member approval rating.  I don't actually know that.

However, comparing the approval rating of a collective body against the approval rating of an individual is misleading:  It's been pointed out like a Brazilian times that while Congress as a whole has a very low approval rating, the individual members of Congress have higher approval ratings in their districts, which is really the only approval rating they need worry about.
 
2014-03-18 07:26:31 AM  
Alex Sink was a wishy-washy DINO. (if I can coin that term)  her losing one election in North Florida (i.e. the Deep South) doesn't mean anything,
 
2014-03-18 07:28:31 AM  
Is he ahead of uses car salesmen, the IRS, child molesters, telemarketers and whoever stole that missing plane?
 
2014-03-18 07:28:50 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: Alex Sink was a wishy-washy DINO. (if I can coin that term)  her losing one election in North Florida (i.e. the Deep South) doesn't mean anything,


Particularly considering that a (D) hadn't held that seat in, what, 20 years?
 
2014-03-18 07:34:27 AM  
Same old story for Congress, 9 percent approval rating for everyone except for *MY Congressperson* so nothing really changes unless the district stops name dropping and starts researching what their rep has done (which doesn't happen or they get replaced by a Koch brother backed corporate c*cksucking Tea Partier).
 
2014-03-18 07:35:22 AM  
They spam this story every time it dips a point.
 
2014-03-18 07:44:31 AM  
He's still President.
 
2014-03-18 07:47:25 AM  

TwistedFark: He's still President.


I'll bet he doesn't get re-elected, though.
 
2014-03-18 07:47:50 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: Alex Sink was a wishy-washy DINO. (if I can coin that term)  her losing one election in North Florida (i.e. the Deep South) doesn't mean anything,


The Democratic Party isn't a cult. All Democrats are DINOs.
 
2014-03-18 07:48:32 AM  
"Read the full story at Breitbart."

I don't think so.
 
2014-03-18 07:52:00 AM  
Everything he does is a failure, don't you get it?

Bin Laden? Failure. Pirates stopped? Failure. Passing the ACA? Failure. Getting troops back home from overseas? Failure. Re-election? Failure. It is all indicative of a vast plot to cloud the minds of the nation. It has to be a conspiracy, because admitting that narrative isn't truth would mean that folks have been spinning, and they exist in a No Spin Zone, right?

Yeah. It's an exercise in subjective reality taken to extreme lengths and with willful disregard for the concept as a philosophical construct, but that is pretty much what the NeoCons gifted the party...
 
2014-03-18 07:52:52 AM  
This is math that Republicans do to make themselves feel better, isn't it?
 
2014-03-18 07:53:26 AM  

LordJiro: brainlordmesomorph: Alex Sink was a wishy-washy DINO. (if I can coin that term)  her losing one election in North Florida (i.e. the Deep South) doesn't mean anything,

Particularly considering that a (D) hadn't held that seat in, what, 20 years?


This means something!
 
2014-03-18 07:53:27 AM  

Weaver95: the GOP is desperate to believe that Obama is a failure.  its part of their mythology - they HAVE to see Obama as anything other than successful.  they're building the idea that its their job to 'retake' the country and rebuild from the ruins of obama socialisms and same sex marriage abortions for all.  a unskewed and unbiased reading of polling data would show that the GOP is their own worst enemy...but that's not something party leaders will openly acknowledge.  I think what disturbs me most about the GOP right now is they seem to be getting even MORE deep into religious extremism.  I didn't even think that was possible...yet here we are, with the Republicans clinging ever more closely to the religious right and bunkering down with the bible freaks and intolerant jack holes who think Rush Limbaugh's 4 divorces are sacred institutions while two gay guys in a stable 20 year relationship are somehow a threat to marriage everywhere.

I dunno.  I guess we'll have to wait and see how all this shakes out.  But the GOP had their cages rattled but good these past two years.  they're desperate and VERY motivated right now, although they won't phrase it in those terms.  I'm just concerned they'll lie and cheat their way into gaining more power rather than losing their grip on Congress...which is what they deserve to have happen to them.  But even if the GOP loses, I doubt they'll take it very well.  even a best case scenario where the Republicans lose key seats means that the remaining GOP in office are likely to redouble their obstructionist efforts and gridlock Congress just on general principal.  So even if the Democrats win, they STILL lose.  Round and round it goes....


What's the alternative? There are no new ideas and new ideas are contrary to their philosophy. They have painted themselves into an intellectual corner where only new framing of ideas is possible. This is why they are looking for their next Reagan. It's also why they can't find him, because their current Reagan construction is nothing like the man actually was.

Look at it this way. They need their ideas validated. If not, that means they were simple wrong and they can't BE wrong because they have God on their side.
 
2014-03-18 07:54:08 AM  

LordJiro: brainlordmesomorph: Alex Sink was a wishy-washy DINO. (if I can coin that term)  her losing one election in North Florida (i.e. the Deep South) doesn't mean anything,

Particularly considering that a (D) hadn't held that seat in, what, 20 years?


40
 
2014-03-18 07:55:51 AM  

Derp Du Jour: Weaver95: the GOP is desperate to believe that Obama is a failure.  its part of their mythology - they HAVE to see Obama as anything other than successful.  they're building the idea that its their job to 'retake' the country and rebuild from the ruins of obama socialisms and same sex marriage abortions for all.  a unskewed and unbiased reading of polling data would show that the GOP is their own worst enemy...but that's not something party leaders will openly acknowledge.  I think what disturbs me most about the GOP right now is they seem to be getting even MORE deep into religious extremism.  I didn't even think that was possible...yet here we are, with the Republicans clinging ever more closely to the religious right and bunkering down with the bible freaks and intolerant jack holes who think Rush Limbaugh's 4 divorces are sacred institutions while two gay guys in a stable 20 year relationship are somehow a threat to marriage everywhere.

I dunno.  I guess we'll have to wait and see how all this shakes out.  But the GOP had their cages rattled but good these past two years.  they're desperate and VERY motivated right now, although they won't phrase it in those terms.  I'm just concerned they'll lie and cheat their way into gaining more power rather than losing their grip on Congress...which is what they deserve to have happen to them.  But even if the GOP loses, I doubt they'll take it very well.  even a best case scenario where the Republicans lose key seats means that the remaining GOP in office are likely to redouble their obstructionist efforts and gridlock Congress just on general principal.  So even if the Democrats win, they STILL lose.  Round and round it goes....

What's the alternative? There are no new ideas and new ideas are contrary to their philosophy. They have painted themselves into an intellectual corner where only new framing of ideas is possible. This is why they are looking for their next Reagan. It's also why they can't find him, because the ...



Hence why the world is crumbling in their minds.  It's more comforting to see the world burn than to admit they were wrong about nearly everything for the last 30 years.  It's the same psychology cults operate under.
 
2014-03-18 07:57:11 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Derp Du Jour: Weaver95: the GOP is desperate to believe that Obama is a failure.  its part of their mythology - they HAVE to see Obama as anything other than successful.  they're building the idea that its their job to 'retake' the country and rebuild from the ruins of obama socialisms and same sex marriage abortions for all.  a unskewed and unbiased reading of polling data would show that the GOP is their own worst enemy...but that's not something party leaders will openly acknowledge.  I think what disturbs me most about the GOP right now is they seem to be getting even MORE deep into religious extremism.  I didn't even think that was possible...yet here we are, with the Republicans clinging ever more closely to the religious right and bunkering down with the bible freaks and intolerant jack holes who think Rush Limbaugh's 4 divorces are sacred institutions while two gay guys in a stable 20 year relationship are somehow a threat to marriage everywhere.

I dunno.  I guess we'll have to wait and see how all this shakes out.  But the GOP had their cages rattled but good these past two years.  they're desperate and VERY motivated right now, although they won't phrase it in those terms.  I'm just concerned they'll lie and cheat their way into gaining more power rather than losing their grip on Congress...which is what they deserve to have happen to them.  But even if the GOP loses, I doubt they'll take it very well.  even a best case scenario where the Republicans lose key seats means that the remaining GOP in office are likely to redouble their obstructionist efforts and gridlock Congress just on general principal.  So even if the Democrats win, they STILL lose.  Round and round it goes....

What's the alternative? There are no new ideas and new ideas are contrary to their philosophy. They have painted themselves into an intellectual corner where only new framing of ideas is possible. This is why they are looking for their next Reagan. It's also why they can't find him, because the ...


Hence why the world is crumbling in their minds.  It's more comforting to see the world burn than to admit they were wrong about nearly everything for the last 30 years.  It's the same psychology cults operate under.


Exactly!
 
2014-03-18 08:03:40 AM  

timswar: brainlordmesomorph: Alex Sink was a wishy-washy DINO. (if I can coin that term)  her losing one election in North Florida (i.e. the Deep South) doesn't mean anything,

The Democratic Party isn't a cult. All Democrats are DINOs.


You misunderstand. She was actively agreeing with Republicans about the "failure of Obamacare", (that's when I stopped listening) Yes, we have a big tent. But she was halfway to the next campsite.
 
2014-03-18 08:04:20 AM  
I know this is just anti-Obama FOX News propaganda, but in a way they make a point.  I hate to say it but the Democrats could borrow a little from the GOP on how they are so good at blowing smoke up the public's ass when promoting the GOP's destructive policies. Seriously, the GOP basically are getting people to support policies that have them work for below poverty level wages, go hungry, be homeless, have reduced access to a quality education, and be denied healthcare; while having them believe it is "opportunity" and "freedom" rather than exploitation.

Why can't the Democrats promote their messages like that?  They will have the advantage of promoting policies that have positive consequences like hungry people eating, sick people getting medical care, clean/renewable energy, and an honest wage for an honest day's work.
 
2014-03-18 08:07:17 AM  

brainlordmesomorph: She was actively agreeing with Republicans about the "failure of Obamacare", (that's when I stopped listening) Yes, we have a big tent. But she was halfway to the next campsite.


She also didn't understand what the stimulus was. Thanks for the help, Democrat.
 
2014-03-18 08:07:21 AM  
I call BS.
No way is Congress that popular.
 
2014-03-18 08:12:25 AM  

heavymetal: I know this is just anti-Obama FOX News propaganda, but in a way they make a point.  I hate to say it but the Democrats could borrow a little from the GOP on how they are so good at blowing smoke up the public's ass when promoting the GOP's destructive policies. Seriously, the GOP basically are getting people to support policies that have them work for below poverty level wages, go hungry, be homeless, have reduced access to a quality education, and be denied healthcare; while having them believe it is "opportunity" and "freedom" rather than exploitation.

Why can't the Democrats promote their messages like that?  They will have the advantage of promoting policies that have positive consequences like hungry people eating, sick people getting medical care, clean/renewable energy, and an honest wage for an honest day's work.


It's because snake oil is easier to sell than a real product. With the real thing, you can see it's flaws and limits. The miracle cure-all can be all things to all people.

The total bullshiat the GOP pushes is all fantasy, so the lie can be made as attractive as they think people need to hear.
 
2014-03-18 08:12:56 AM  

Weaver95: the GOP is desperate to believe that Obama is a failure.  its part of their mythology


Of course they do.  They were calling Obama a failurebefore he was sworn in.
 
2014-03-18 08:13:42 AM  
Look at it. LOOK DEEP into the mind of the average conservative.

i.imgur.com

DEEPER STILL

i.imgur.com


Now Weep.
 
2014-03-18 08:16:51 AM  
Well, I think you guys are right.

Democrats should totally rally behind the President, and list off their major accomplishments. The voters need to be reminded about how hard they've served the country, and how much better off they are now.
 
2014-03-18 08:20:58 AM  

timswar: brainlordmesomorph: Alex Sink was a wishy-washy DINO. (if I can coin that term)  her losing one election in North Florida (i.e. the Deep South) doesn't mean anything,

The Democratic Party isn't a cult. All Democrats are DINOs.


BOW BOWWOWWOW WOWWOW BOWOWOWOWOW

/Not really a democrat.
//Definitely not a republican tho
///We need a bourbon party. Or at this rate, a cirhossis party.
 
2014-03-18 08:28:08 AM  
Yes, but Congress' approval ratings don't include those people who have simply given up looking for representation. The voter force participation rate is down, so the REAL approval rating for Congress is C6, or 41%.
 
2014-03-18 08:32:14 AM  

heavymetal: Seriously, the GOP basically are getting people to support policies that have them work for below poverty level wages, go hungry, be homeless, have reduced access to a quality education, and be denied healthcare; while having them believe it is "opportunity" and "freedom" rather than exploitation.


The GOP are good at convincing people that all those things will happen to 'those people', not real Americans.
 
2014-03-18 08:32:39 AM  
How many of those 40% are Those People, who just want more of his handouts?

100% of 40%.
 
2014-03-18 08:34:26 AM  

Heliovdrake: Look at it. LOOK DEEP into the mind of the average conservative.


Gotta admit though, I'm liking the term "flying buttload".
 
2014-03-18 08:34:52 AM  

Heliovdrake: Look at it. LOOK DEEP into the mind of the average conservative.

[i.imgur.com image 555x1196]

DEEPER STILL

[i.imgur.com image 539x515]


Now Weep.


Well, it's a step up from the usual dreck that gets passed off as conservative "humor," which is to say mean-spirited namecalling and general appeals to fear and factionalism.  But even so, if you have to write half a page of copy to explain why the joke is funny ... it's not.
 
2014-03-18 08:35:02 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: This is the same hokum that is brought up in the second midterms of every president. It holds when the President is egregiously unliked, as in Bush's second term and even Clinton's second term. But Obama isn't the lightning rod that those two were.

All the Dems have to do is stay on message and pound home the message that Republicans want to take away entitlements. There are many more poor people than rich people, so it's an easy sell when you're playing Robin Hood.

The Republicans don't have a story this election. Obamacare is a dead argument. The economy is a dead argument, and one left for the next Presidential election. The culture war is only going to rile the hardcore base and it will turn off the party moderates.

2014 is all but lost for the Republicans.


That's some nice reasoning.  Too bad it's not meshing with reality.  I tend to vote Democrat, am Liberal minded, so I'd like to believe what you say is true.  However, Obamacare is not only alive, it's the number one story.  Whether it be the Faux News boogieman continually driving their anti-Obamacare agenda, or Republicans speaking out against it and Democrats not speaking up for it, like it or not, It IS the argument for these mid-terms.

A large number of liberal talking heads aren't so sure Democrats are going to keep the Senate.  No one wants to touch the President during their mid-terms.  That is not a good sign.  I'm hopeful, but I'm also looking at things realistically.
 
2014-03-18 08:35:14 AM  

Weaver95: So even if the Democrats win, they STILL lose.  Round and round it goes....


Partially true. It's all going to come down to 2016. As obstructionist and miserable as the GOP has been, they simply can't continue like this forever. Not because of civic duty or personal responsibility, but because the small group of people who fund them  want the influence they're paying for. Sure, the Koch brothers and a couple others can get by with gridlock, they just need to make sure no new EPA regulations come down. But the majority of the large financial donors and defense contractors want their crony capitalist investments and protection by the government. For going on 8 years, the millions of dollars they spent have not bought them a seat at the White house (naturally there are exceptions), nor get any favorable legislation passed. In fact, Rush even said as much yesterday. He was bragging about how he was at some GOP party and a big donor came up to him and started talking about how the Christian right was killing the GOP and they needed to shut up. Naturally Rush went on to show this as a positive good, but Rush Limbaugh isn't running for office. Rush Limbaugh shills fear and misinformation to old ladies so that he can make money off them getting bilked by snake oil salesmen (Biblical money codes? What are you f*&cking stupid?). Those running for office  need those donors and  need those moderate votes. The existing position is simply untenable for the GOP.

Now, the reason I say 2016 is the key, is because 2016 is going to be an amazing trip to crazytown. The normal rules about front runners and so forth simply don't apply. The GOP candidate will be Ted Cruz. First, he has an amazing war chest. That stupid faux filibuster of his raised him a  lot of money. Second, he plays to win. The man will say anything and will attack anyone. Rand Paul and Marco Rubio are not prepared to play the zero-sum game that Cruz is. Cruz is also the conservative darling. When the Limbaugh's and Levins's and Stein's all say "we need a truly conservative candidate"- they mean a Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is what they have been asking for, and that's what they'll get. The problem is that Ted Cruz can't win. He thrives solely in a word of right wing talking points- he fails miserable in dealing with the truth or having to talk about specifics. He is DOA in the general elections. When that happens the hard-right won't be able to use the whole "we need a  true conservative bit" anymore. Their defeat, most likely crushing, will make that painfully obvious to  campaign donors,and hopefully get the moderate Republicans to ditch the Teaparty once and for all. This also assumes the GOP remains united. I could see Ted Cruz going full meltdown and pulling a Pat Buchanon, storming out of the GOP going full 3rd party. Either way, it still splits the GOP and hands the elections over to the Democrats.
 
2014-03-18 08:35:49 AM  

Destructor: Well, I think you guys are right.

Democrats should totally rally behind the President, and list off their major accomplishments. The voters need to be reminded about how hard they've served the country, and how much better off they are now.


What the F*ck Has Obama Done So Far?

I know you were trying to be clever(you failed, btw), but the current administration has actually accomplished quite a bit.
 
2014-03-18 08:36:52 AM  
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2014-03-18 08:37:12 AM  

heavymetal: Why can't the Democrats promote their messages like that?


One possibility is that there's less ignorance and bigotry to exploit in the Democratic electorate.
 
MFK
2014-03-18 08:37:58 AM  

heavymetal: I know this is just anti-Obama FOX News propaganda, but in a way they make a point.  I hate to say it but the Democrats could borrow a little from the GOP on how they are so good at blowing smoke up the public's ass when promoting the GOP's destructive policies. Seriously, the GOP basically are getting people to support policies that have them work for below poverty level wages, go hungry, be homeless, have reduced access to a quality education, and be denied healthcare; while having them believe it is "opportunity" and "freedom" rather than exploitation.

Why can't the Democrats promote their messages like that?  They will have the advantage of promoting policies that have positive consequences like hungry people eating, sick people getting medical care, clean/renewable energy, and an honest wage for an honest day's work.


It's harder to get your message across when the media outlets are primarily controlled by corporate interests. Look at the issue of the Ukraine - the other day CBS had 3 speakers to talk about the crisis on one of their sunday shows - all republicans. why do you think that is? "oh some real heavy shiat is going down so let's only talk to the party that controls the lower house"
 
2014-03-18 08:38:40 AM  

dittybopper: Obama's 40% approval ratings are worse than Congress' 9% approval ratings

It could very well be that Obama's approval rating is lower than the average Congressional member approval rating.  I don't actually know that.

However, comparing the approval rating of a collective body against the approval rating of an individual is misleading:  It's been pointed out like a Brazilian times that while Congress as a whole has a very low approval rating, the individual members of Congress have higher approval ratings in their districts, which is really the only approval rating they need worry about.


This.
Every one of them won their regional elections. So its not like they're sitting in their chairs with less than ten percent support.

/Most of them, anyway.
/Everyone hates everyone elses congressman.
 
2014-03-18 08:44:13 AM  

way south: dittybopper: Obama's 40% approval ratings are worse than Congress' 9% approval ratings

It could very well be that Obama's approval rating is lower than the average Congressional member approval rating.  I don't actually know that.

However, comparing the approval rating of a collective body against the approval rating of an individual is misleading:  It's been pointed out like a Brazilian times that while Congress as a whole has a very low approval rating, the individual members of Congress have higher approval ratings in their districts, which is really the only approval rating they need worry about.

This.
Every one of them won their regional elections. So its not like they're sitting in their chairs with less than ten percent support.

/Most of them, anyway.
/Everyone hates everyone elses congressman.


I hate mine, fark Bob Latta, what a douche.
 
2014-03-18 08:44:47 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: AverageAmericanGuy: This is the same hokum that is brought up in the second midterms of every president. It holds when the President is egregiously unliked, as in Bush's second term and even Clinton's second term. But Obama isn't the lightning rod that those two were.

All the Dems have to do is stay on message and pound home the message that Republicans want to take away entitlements. There are many more poor people than rich people, so it's an easy sell when you're playing Robin Hood.

The Republicans don't have a story this election. Obamacare is a dead argument. The economy is a dead argument, and one left for the next Presidential election. The culture war is only going to rile the hardcore base and it will turn off the party moderates.

2014 is all but lost for the Republicans.

That's some nice reasoning.  Too bad it's not meshing with reality.  I tend to vote Democrat, am Liberal minded, so I'd like to believe what you say is true.  However, Obamacare is not only alive, it's the number one story.  Whether it be the Faux News boogieman continually driving their anti-Obamacare agenda, or Republicans speaking out against it and Democrats not speaking up for it, like it or not, It IS the argument for these mid-terms.

A large number of liberal talking heads aren't so sure Democrats are going to keep the Senate.  No one wants to touch the President during their mid-terms.  That is not a good sign.  I'm hopeful, but I'm also looking at things realistically.


This. The right is always far more motivated to get out the vote in mid-terms. The Dems are going to get hammered in November. Hopefully we'll keep the Senate and the status quo will continue for two more years. Then the GOP will get decimated in 2016.
 
2014-03-18 08:45:06 AM  

dittybopper: Obama's 40% approval ratings are worse than Congress' 9% approval ratings

It could very well be that Obama's approval rating is lower than the average Congressional member approval rating.  I don't actually know that.

However, comparing the approval rating of a collective body against the approval rating of an individual is misleading:  It's been pointed out like a Brazilian times that while Congress as a whole has a very low approval rating, the individual members of Congress have higher approval ratings in their districts, which is really the only approval rating they need worry about.


Similarly, elections are choices. A candidate need only be more popular than his opponent. And Obama isn't running for anything.
 
2014-03-18 08:45:55 AM  

Robo Beat: Heliovdrake: Look at it. LOOK DEEP into the mind of the average conservative.

[i.imgur.com image 555x1196]

DEEPER STILL

[i.imgur.com image 539x515]


Now Weep.

Well, it's a step up from the usual dreck that gets passed off as conservative "humor," which is to say mean-spirited namecalling and general appeals to fear and factionalism.  But even so, if you have to write half a page of copy to explain why the joke is funny ... it's not.


That never stopped Doonesbury.
 
2014-03-18 08:47:26 AM  
theknuckler_33:
This. The right is always far more motivated to get out the vote in mid-terms.

Not so. The party out of power is more motivated. Etc. There's nothing odd about the right wing that way.
 
2014-03-18 08:56:18 AM  

LordJiro: brainlordmesomorph: Alex Sink was a wishy-washy DINO. (if I can coin that term)  her losing one election in North Florida (i.e. the Deep South) doesn't mean anything,

Particularly considering that a (D) hadn't held that seat in, what, 20 years?


And Jolly is tight with Young who held the seat forever before his death which led to this special election. And she still came in close, less than 4000 votes right?

Yeah I just don't see this as the crushing blow everyone is making it to be.
 
2014-03-18 08:58:24 AM  

NINDroog: Weaver95: So even if the Democrats win, they STILL lose.  Round and round it goes....

Partially true. It's all going to come down to 2016. As obstructionist and miserable as the GOP has been, they simply can't continue like this forever. Not because of civic duty or personal responsibility, but because the small group of people who fund them  want the influence they're paying for. Sure, the Koch brothers and a couple others can get by with gridlock, they just need to make sure no new EPA regulations come down. But the majority of the large financial donors and defense contractors want their crony capitalist investments and protection by the government. For going on 8 years, the millions of dollars they spent have not bought them a seat at the White house (naturally there are exceptions), nor get any favorable legislation passed. In fact, Rush even said as much yesterday. He was bragging about how he was at some GOP party and a big donor came up to him and started talking about how the Christian right was killing the GOP and they needed to shut up. Naturally Rush went on to show this as a positive good, but Rush Limbaugh isn't running for office. Rush Limbaugh shills fear and misinformation to old ladies so that he can make money off them getting bilked by snake oil salesmen (Biblical money codes? What are you f*&cking stupid?). Those running for office  need those donors and  need those moderate votes. The existing position is simply untenable for the GOP.

Now, the reason I say 2016 is the key, is because 2016 is going to be an amazing trip to crazytown. The normal rules about front runners and so forth simply don't apply. The GOP candidate will be Ted Cruz. First, he has an amazing war chest. That stupid faux filibuster of his raised him a  lot of money. Second, he plays to win. The man will say anything and will attack anyone. Rand Paul and Marco Rubio are not prepared to play the zero-sum game that Cruz is. Cruz is also the conservative darling. When the Limbau ...


The fun thing about Cruz running is that he was born outside of the US and his father was a foreign national.  They're going to have a really hard time justifying all the previous birther nonsense if they're going to run Cruz.
 
2014-03-18 08:58:50 AM  

Destructor: Well, I think you guys are right.

Democrats should totally rally behind the President, and list off their major accomplishments. The voters need to be reminded about how hard they've served the country, and how much better off they are now.


I know I'm better off. Of course, if you're one of the "stupid old white male failures who can't accept responsibility for being a failure" brigade,  and you AREN'T doing better, you won't like the message. Because it lays blame on you, where it belongs.

But then, racist stupid old white male failures weren't ever going to vote for Democrats anyway.
 
2014-03-18 09:00:40 AM  
If democrats had any teeth and stopped being scared of being "mean" to the gop, they would give out ONE and only ONE message for 2014:

The GOP caused another government shutdown and cost the taxpayers billions. Show the clips of the gop stating they want the shutdown and the default would be no big deal.  Then ask the viewer if they truly think the gop is fit to govern.

There is no other message that the DCCC needs to say.  It can be played in every state.
 
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