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(Global News (Canada))   Only two grocery stores in Vancouver can now sell liquor according to new liquor laws, Rob Ford proud to live in a well stocked Toronto   (globalnews.ca) divider line 40
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2014-03-18 07:13:47 AM  
I'm not sure what to make of this. Basically liquor will be available everywhere it has already been available and now there will be two more stores that will carry it.

I understand why some would want it to be open season on selling liquor, but the article makes it seem like this new law that expands liquor sales is a bad thing. Maybe the article is just quoting the wrong people.
 
2014-03-18 07:52:06 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm not sure what to make of this. Basically liquor will be available everywhere it has already been available and now there will be two more stores that will carry it.

I understand why some would want it to be open season on selling liquor, but the article makes it seem like this new law that expands liquor sales is a bad thing. Maybe the article is just quoting the wrong people.


Looks like we got the same thing out of the article. Much ado about nothing.
 
2014-03-18 07:54:53 AM  

Flab: AverageAmericanGuy: I'm not sure what to make of this. Basically liquor will be available everywhere it has already been available and now there will be two more stores that will carry it.

I understand why some would want it to be open season on selling liquor, but the article makes it seem like this new law that expands liquor sales is a bad thing. Maybe the article is just quoting the wrong people.

Looks like we got the same thing out of the article. Much ado about nothing.


The liquor store lobby is getting scared of Costco under cutting them, that's what I'm getting out of it.
 
2014-03-18 08:03:00 AM  
Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.
 
2014-03-18 08:04:34 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Flab: AverageAmericanGuy: I'm not sure what to make of this. Basically liquor will be available everywhere it has already been available and now there will be two more stores that will carry it.

I understand why some would want it to be open season on selling liquor, but the article makes it seem like this new law that expands liquor sales is a bad thing. Maybe the article is just quoting the wrong people.

Looks like we got the same thing out of the article. Much ado about nothing.

The liquor store lobby is getting scared of Costco under cutting them, that's what I'm getting out of it.


I don't think there's a Costco in Vancouver. All those Canadian cheapskates cross the border and shop at the Bellingham Costco, from what I understand.

And don't think the Bellingham residents are too happy about that either.
 
2014-03-18 08:04:36 AM  

Literally Addicted: Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.


You sound Ontarian, and far from the Quebec border.
 
2014-03-18 08:08:23 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Literally Addicted: Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.

You sound Ontarian, and far from the Quebec border.


Quebec doesn't consider themselves Canadian, why should I?
 
2014-03-18 08:11:00 AM  

Literally Addicted: BumpInTheNight: Literally Addicted: Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.

You sound Ontarian, and far from the Quebec border.

Quebec doesn't consider themselves Canadian, why should I?


How very Torontonian of you.
 
2014-03-18 08:15:20 AM  

Literally Addicted: Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.


They do in Alberta.
 
2014-03-18 08:18:07 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Literally Addicted: Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.

You sound Ontarian, and far from the Quebec border.


Isn't it "Costqueaux"?
 
2014-03-18 08:19:31 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I don't think there's a Costco in Vancouver. All those Canadian cheapskates cross the border and shop at the Bellingham Costco, from what I understand.

And don't think the Bellingham residents are too happy about that either.


There's 1 Costco in the city of Vancouver and 6 or 7 in the metro Vancouver area.  But for some things prices in the US are so much cheaper than in Canada that people still go to Bellingham.
 
2014-03-18 08:21:38 AM  
Heh, I get it. The headline is a reference about how Rob Ford likes to get drunk. Edgy and fresh.
 
2014-03-18 08:27:03 AM  

miscreant: Literally Addicted: Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.

They do in Alberta.


Yup, although its in a separate store attached to the main one, and I don't think you need membership to buy there.
 
2014-03-18 08:27:30 AM  

lmdemasi: AverageAmericanGuy: I don't think there's a Costco in Vancouver. All those Canadian cheapskates cross the border and shop at the Bellingham Costco, from what I understand.

And don't think the Bellingham residents are too happy about that either.

There's 1 Costco in the city of Vancouver and 6 or 7 in the metro Vancouver area.  But for some things prices in the US are so much cheaper than in Canada that people still go to Bellingham.


I did not know that.
kimdalferes.com

But then again I don't go to Vancouver for their Costco.
 
2014-03-18 08:28:46 AM  

miscreant: Literally Addicted: Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.

They do in Alberta.


liquor??

or beer and wine.. costco in Quebec only sells beer and wine. and a ton of it!! beer anyway.

they sell 55 packs of cans..
 
2014-03-18 08:32:40 AM  
Rob Ford proud to live in a well stocked Toronto

Zero grocery stores in Toronto sell liquor. Now, two in Vancouver do. Advantage: Vancouver.
 
2014-03-18 08:34:04 AM  

sedric: miscreant: Literally Addicted: Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.

They do in Alberta.

liquor??

or beer and wine.. costco in Quebec only sells beer and wine. and a ton of it!! beer anyway.

they sell 55 packs of cans..


The Quebec Costcos are great to stock up on American strength beers like Coors Light on the cheap.  Ideal for big out door parties or shindigs where you want to have a bunch of spares for people who drink too fast and run out or bring their kids.
 
2014-03-18 08:34:14 AM  
Oh, subby... NO grocery stores can sell liquor in "well-stocked Toronto." No convenience stores either. You can only buy booze from dedicated, province-controlled stores: the LCBO (Liquor Control Board of Ontario retail stores) and the Beer Store. There are also local Ontario wineries who have special permits t sell directly to consumers from their own specialty retail shops.

"Well-stocked Toronto..." Pfeh.
 
2014-03-18 08:36:32 AM  

sunderland56: Rob Ford proud to live in a well stocked Toronto

Zero grocery stores in Toronto sell liquor. Now, two in Vancouver do. Advantage: Vancouver.


From what I hear, zero libraries, grade schools and hardware stores in Toronto sell liquor, too.
 
2014-03-18 08:45:11 AM  

BumpInTheNight: sedric: miscreant: Literally Addicted: Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.

They do in Alberta.

liquor??

or beer and wine.. costco in Quebec only sells beer and wine. and a ton of it!! beer anyway.

they sell 55 packs of cans..

The Quebec Costcos are great to stock up on American strength beers like Coors Light on the cheap.  Ideal for big out door parties or shindigs where you want to have a bunch of spares for people who drink too fast and run out or bring their kids.


they also have regular strength beer in the big packs, ex and canadian.

what gets me is that Alexander Keiths is 29.95 (last time i bought there anyway) but meanwhile at the beer store in ontario it is 42.95.  Corona is inexpensive too if thats your preferred poison
 
2014-03-18 08:46:25 AM  
So, basically, 2 more stores can sell booze than before.
 
2014-03-18 08:54:27 AM  

sedric: miscreant: Literally Addicted: Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.

They do in Alberta.

liquor??

or beer and wine.. costco in Quebec only sells beer and wine. and a ton of it!! beer anyway.

they sell 55 packs of cans..


Everything. They have good prices on Scotch and Whiskey. Usually pick up some Port for the MIL as well. Alberta privatized their liquor stores almost 20 years ago though, which is why Costco can do it here. Not sure any other province has done that.
 
2014-03-18 09:10:16 AM  
They put in the catch because when grocery stores can sell alcohol they can do so much more easily than other independent stand alone liquor stores.

Instead of having to buy or lease a building, a grocery store merely has to clear space on a shelf and fill it with booze.

To keep the market competitive and to keep grocery stores from obliterating all competition within a 5 block radius they have restricted the number of licenses permitted.

Alberta did a very similar thing when liquor sales were privatized in the 1990s. Grocery stores could sell booze, but they could only do it from a location physically separate of their main store.

That's still in place.

/booze fan
//wrote undergrad thesis on liquor privatization
 
2014-03-18 09:14:51 AM  
Blob Ford doesn't buy his own liquor - his city-staff/enablers purchases it (most likely in large vats &/or rant-proof plastic containers).
 
2014-03-18 09:23:54 AM  

MBooda: BumpInTheNight: Literally Addicted: Costco does not sell liquor in Canada.

You sound Ontarian, and far from the Quebec border.

Isn't it "Costqueaux"?


«Société de Coût»?

/Je n'ai pas rien.
 
2014-03-18 09:33:07 AM  
If you actually think Toronto is well stocked, not only must you live there, but you must have never actually left Toronto in your entire life.
 
2014-03-18 09:44:36 AM  

Rev.K: They put in the catch because when grocery stores can sell alcohol they can do so much more easily than other independent stand alone liquor stores.

Instead of having to buy or lease a building, a grocery store merely has to clear space on a shelf and fill it with booze.

To keep the market competitive and to keep grocery stores from obliterating all competition within a 5 block radius they have restricted the number of licenses permitted.

Alberta did a very similar thing when liquor sales were privatized in the 1990s. Grocery stores could sell booze, but they could only do it from a location physically separate of their main store.

That's still in place.

/booze fan
//wrote undergrad thesis on liquor privatization


The big question is why should booze stores get special protection but not grocers, hardware, electronics or other shops?

All little shops should get protection or non of them should. We still have specialist booze only shops in Britain but they have moved into either the pile it high and sell it cheap route or selling more specialist stuff. Plus it means I can get a litre of gin and some bottles of beer while I get my groceries.
 
2014-03-18 09:44:46 AM  

MBooda: sunderland56: Rob Ford proud to live in a well stocked Toronto

Zero grocery stores in Toronto sell liquor. Now, two in Vancouver do. Advantage: Vancouver.

From what I hear, zero libraries, grade schools and hardware stores in Toronto sell liquor, too.


www.lolwut.com
 
2014-03-18 09:46:29 AM  
I have a solution. New stores that want to sell liquor will only be allowed if they are within the BAWPZ (Beer And Wine Proximity Zone) of another non-related ADHD (Alcohol Diversion Home District) store but only on even numbered weekdays where the month is an odd number, except in the case where this conflicts with area outside of a BAWPZ but within the ADHDs which have been mandated to sell on odd numbered weekdays on even numbered months via related stores as long as the store is in compliance with the leap-year exemption from the odd/even month system.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
 
2014-03-18 09:48:15 AM  

Rev.K: To keep the market competitive and to keep grocery stores from obliterating all competition within a 5 block radius they have restricted the number of licenses permitted.


California has dedicated liquor stores (e.g., Bevmo) and pretty much unlimited liquor sales in grocery stores.  Not to mention pharmacies, convenience stores, and pretty much any other store that cares to sell liquor.

Yes, if you rig the rules so that only tiny independent stores can sell [insert product here], then obviously you'll have more tiny independent stores selling [that product].  That's no surprise, but it's also not much of a business philosophy ... and there's no reason to apply it to liquor but not any of the thousands of other products people buy & sell every day.
 
2014-03-18 09:53:56 AM  

ComaToast: I have a solution. New stores that want to sell liquor will only be allowed if they are within the BAWPZ (Beer And Wine Proximity Zone) of another non-related ADHD (Alcohol Diversion Home District) store but only on even numbered weekdays where the month is an odd number, except in the case where this conflicts with area outside of a BAWPZ but within the ADHDs which have been mandated to sell on odd numbered weekdays on even numbered months via related stores as long as the store is in compliance with the leap-year exemption from the odd/even month system.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.


And they can only sell from noon to 8pm, but not on weekends.  Also, the cashier has to be 21 in order to sell.

/I found it odd how SC allows 16 yros to cashier alcohol sales, then they wondered why minors were getting beer from grocery stores.
 
2014-03-18 10:17:27 AM  

jshine: California has dedicated liquor stores (e.g., Bevmo) and pretty much unlimited liquor sales in grocery stores.  Not to mention pharmacies, convenience stores, and pretty much any other store that cares to sell liquor.

Yes, if you rig the rules so that only tiny independent stores can sell [insert product here], then obviously you'll have more tiny independent stores selling [that product].  That's no surprise, but it's also not much of a business philosophy ... and there's no reason to apply it to liquor but not any of the thousands of other products people buy & sell every day.



Prior to privatization, the government controlled all liquor sales. When liquor is privatized, there's a brand new private market that never existed before.

To keep the government-run monopoly from very quickly becoming a privately-run oligopoly where the few largest firms move into the market at practically zero cost, the legislation is in place to ensure the market has barriers to entry that apply equally to all firms involved.

The result in Alberta was that there are independent stores and grocery chains existing in the same marketplace.

It has worked pretty well.
 
2014-03-18 10:17:59 AM  
Has subby ever been to Toronto? Hint: no alcohol in grocery stores.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-18 10:50:43 AM  
Massachusetts law says a company can only have three liquor licenses, so most chain grocery stores don't sell alcohol.
 
2014-03-18 12:48:27 PM  
Rob doesn't go to other towns to drink he has more than enough liquor to drink in his home town.
 
2014-03-18 03:12:33 PM  
Hey, Ya'll have a bunch of Mormons making laws up there? (Reference to Utah.)
 
2014-03-18 03:17:13 PM  
the new laws may be helpful, just not in vancouver, which has plenty of liquor stores both public and private.

perhaps in smaller towns throughout BC it's helpful?


personally i think it's pointless, given that BC has both private and public liquor stores.
most grocery stores in Vancouver are probably happy they don't have to waste money stocking up liquor now.  just two of em.
 
2014-03-18 03:20:17 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: lmdemasi: AverageAmericanGuy: I don't think there's a Costco in Vancouver. All those Canadian cheapskates cross the border and shop at the Bellingham Costco, from what I understand.

And don't think the Bellingham residents are too happy about that either.

There's 1 Costco in the city of Vancouver and 6 or 7 in the metro Vancouver area.  But for some things prices in the US are so much cheaper than in Canada that people still go to Bellingham.

I did not know that.
[kimdalferes.com image 184x266]

But then again I don't go to Vancouver for their Costco.


Best place to get Tylenol with Codeine. They have the huge ass bulk bottles.
 
2014-03-18 05:12:19 PM  
Another interesting aspect to this is that the Province of BC has a moratorium on issuing retail licenses until 2022. That means that even if these two stores wanted to sell liquor, they can't apply for a license. They would have to buy an existing store and its license. This also means that any grocery store could potentially buy out a local private store within the 5km boundary, and therefore be in a position to use that license. BC is trying to modernize it's liquor policy (for the first time in over 40 years), but, as usual, the government is getting in its own way.

Read more here:  http://www2.gov.bc.ca/local/haveyoursay/Docs/liquor_policy_review_rep o rt.pdf

We are excited about some of the changes, but I suspect the rest of the world will just chuckle and pat us on the head.
 
2014-03-18 08:32:47 PM  
I'm in Toronto and my local grocery store has a wine store within it. It may be a Wine Rack, not sure.
 
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