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2014-03-17 11:57:08 PM
Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.
 
2014-03-18 12:25:41 AM
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2014-03-18 12:26:16 AM
Leviticus 18:22 still counts, though.
 
2014-03-18 12:28:03 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.


Some of them seem to obsess about the whole Ten Commandments thing - the Roy Moore thing from a few years back, or the monuments that are popping up like boners at a viagra factory.

My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Oh. Well, it's possible they all just lost a contact lens somewhere.

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2014-03-18 12:29:33 AM

MisterTweak: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Some of them seem to obsess about the whole Ten Commandments thing - the Roy Moore thing from a few years back, or the monuments that are popping up like boners at a viagra factory.

My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Oh. Well, it's possible they all just lost a contact lens somewhere.

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It ain't a pushup until your chest touches the Bible, old man!
 
2014-03-18 12:42:36 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: MisterTweak: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Some of them seem to obsess about the whole Ten Commandments thing - the Roy Moore thing from a few years back, or the monuments that are popping up like boners at a viagra factory.

My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Oh. Well, it's possible they all just lost a contact lens somewhere.

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It ain't a pushup until your chest touches the Bible, old man!


*brings up bible.org on cellphone*
*chest-bumps phone, scaring cat and getting very strange look from wife*
*makes up good story about how I was actually browsing porn and not posting on fark*
 
2014-03-18 02:44:06 AM
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Honestly, I expect nothing less of a zombie cult.
 
2014-03-18 04:14:43 AM
Appropriate thread for this?

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2014-03-18 04:17:36 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit. is a collection of superstitions, legends, and exaggerations collected and codified by money-hungry power-brokers in the early christian church as a manner to control a large group of disparate peoples who'd recently been conquered and were getting unruly.


FTFY
 
2014-03-18 04:18:51 AM
The Old Testament is the far superior Testament.

/just saying
 
2014-03-18 04:20:43 AM

SquiggsIN: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit. is a collection of superstitions, legends, and exaggerations collected and codified by money-hungry power-brokers in the early christian church as a manner to control a large group of disparate peoples who'd recently been conquered and were getting unruly.

FTFY


Shouldn't you be somewhere jerking off to NDGT or something?
 
2014-03-18 04:22:46 AM

robohobo: SquiggsIN: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit. is a collection of superstitions, legends, and exaggerations collected and codified by money-hungry power-brokers in the early christian church as a manner to control a large group of disparate peoples who'd recently been conquered and were getting unruly.

FTFY

Shouldn't you be somewhere jerking off to NDGT or something?


Nah, I still prefer the original, Carl Sagan.
 
2014-03-18 04:24:25 AM
If all of the members of your church are getting church logo tattoos, you might want to consider whether you've created a cult.
 
2014-03-18 04:25:38 AM

SquiggsIN: robohobo: SquiggsIN: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit. is a collection of superstitions, legends, and exaggerations collected and codified by money-hungry power-brokers in the early christian church as a manner to control a large group of disparate peoples who'd recently been conquered and were getting unruly.

FTFY

Shouldn't you be somewhere jerking off to NDGT or something?

Nah, I still prefer the original, Carl Sagan.


He most likely had better drugs. I would so smoke up with the guy, except 2014 pot might kill a guy used to mid-70's pot.
/not really, but it'd be funny to watch
//don't mind me, I'm feeling snarly tonight
 
2014-03-18 04:29:36 AM
You know who else like giving people tattoos?
 
2014-03-18 04:30:48 AM
MisterTweak: ... My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Yep, some church people are all kinds of well, stupid; and it paints us all in a bad light.  But on the bright side I'm working on some flash for a fellow church member (and a Baptist type person).

/Yep, he's a deacon, In his 50's
//Yay Baptists?! (and may Fred Phelps either get saved quick, or find a nice cold spot in hell)
\\\ CSB, and this post sponsored by vodka, et al.
 
2014-03-18 04:30:56 AM

SpdrJay: You know who else like giving people tattoos?


Kat von D?
 
2014-03-18 04:32:00 AM

MisterTweak: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Some of them seem to obsess about the whole Ten Commandments thing - the Roy Moore thing from a few years back, or the monuments that are popping up like boners at a viagra factory.

My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Oh. Well, it's possible they all just lost a contact lens somewhere.

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Eh, Christians only pretend to believe in the bible. Look at how many Christian churches serve ham on a regular basis. Look at how many churches perform interracial marriages, etc. They just want the moral authority that traditionally came from the bible without the inconvenience of following its rules.
 
2014-03-18 04:32:22 AM

SpdrJay: You know who else like giving people tattoos?


The FedGov sometime in the next 30 years?
 
2014-03-18 04:38:00 AM
 Drink thee not, nor thee, thou sons, lest ye die.  Nor congregate at the corner tabernacle.
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2014-03-18 05:00:46 AM
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2014-03-18 05:04:48 AM

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That's one seriously mixed up whore. I'd bet she's easy, though. For those who like such.
 
2014-03-18 05:12:11 AM

untaken_name: Eh, Christians only pretend to believe in the bible. Look at how many Christian churches serve ham on a regular basis. Look at how many churches perform interracial marriages, etc. They just want the moral authority that traditionally came from the bible without the inconvenience of following its rules.


0/10 Too obvious.
 
2014-03-18 05:16:30 AM
Revelation 19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

'nuff said.
 
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2014-03-18 05:26:54 AM
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preach the tolerance bros
 
2014-03-18 05:30:49 AM

Mirandized: Revelation 19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

'nuff said.


I find the whole idea of the Mark of the Beast terribly interesting. Especially as we progress further and further into governmental control and containment. It may be a tattoo. It may be a brand. It may be an implanted RFID chip. It may be some some crazy nano-bot injected with a forced vaccine. Or hell, it might be a forced dildo 'cause homosexual equality. Should such a thing ever exist, I wouldn't rule anything out, seeing as how people seem to value their goddamned political identity over all else.

And those people would deserve it.

/I really do find the mark of the beast stuff fascinating, though
 
2014-03-18 05:32:17 AM

propasaurus: Leviticus 18:22 still counts, though.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if the pastor is chill enough that he'll actually back up an offhand joke about covering people's ink if they want to get the church logo tattooed on 'em, he prooooobably doesn't particularly care if you're gay either.

// The serious answer is that theologically the old testament rules are considered either fulfilled by Christ's coming and no longer binding (there's an explicit passage where ghost-Jesus shows up and basically calls Paul a douche for not eating ham at one point), or considered part of god's contract with the chosen tribe specifically, meaning they only bind you if you're Jewish by blood and affiliation in addition to Christian by faith.  There aren't really any sects that hold the old testament laws binding to most members, honestly Christianity in general didn't even bother to copy 'em over to their version half the time.
 
2014-03-18 05:37:42 AM

Jim_Callahan: propasaurus: Leviticus 18:22 still counts, though.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if the pastor is chill enough that he'll actually back up an offhand joke about covering people's ink if they want to get the church logo tattooed on 'em, he prooooobably doesn't particularly care if you're gay either.

// The serious answer is that theologically the old testament rules are considered either fulfilled by Christ's coming and no longer binding (there's an explicit passage where ghost-Jesus shows up and basically calls Paul a douche for not eating ham at one point), or considered part of god's contract with the chosen tribe specifically, meaning they only bind you if you're Jewish by blood and affiliation in addition to Christian by faith.  There aren't really any sects that hold the old testament laws binding to most members, honestly Christianity in general didn't even bother to copy 'em over to their version half the time.


Yet, so many of the people who want to cherry pick old testament verses to justify discrimination continually ignore the parts surrounding said verses.  I wouldn't make the assumption that the pastor is gay-friendly.  Plenty of people cite lev18:22 while ignoring almost everything else in the book without seeing the hypocrisy in doing so.
 
2014-03-18 05:38:19 AM

Jim_Callahan: propasaurus: Leviticus 18:22 still counts, though.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if the pastor is chill enough that he'll actually back up an offhand joke about covering people's ink if they want to get the church logo tattooed on 'em, he prooooobably doesn't particularly care if you're gay either.

// The serious answer is that theologically the old testament rules are considered either fulfilled by Christ's coming and no longer binding (there's an explicit passage where ghost-Jesus shows up and basically calls Paul a douche for not eating ham at one point), or considered part of god's contract with the chosen tribe specifically, meaning they only bind you if you're Jewish by blood and affiliation in addition to Christian by faith.  There aren't really any sects that hold the old testament laws binding to most members, honestly Christianity in general didn't even bother to copy 'em over to their version half the time.


So, basically, the NT is the affirmative action testament. Lower standards and such. A more common core of biblical studies.
 
2014-03-18 05:46:48 AM
Tattoos are an eyesore just like graffiti.

But hey, I guess if you are such a complete loser that you have no power at all, then graffiti is the only way you can make any impact at all on the world during your puny, pathetic existence.

But if you are stupid too, then please, by all means, pollute your skin with some stupid, ugly, skin-stain.
 
2014-03-18 06:04:35 AM

robohobo: I find the whole idea of the Mark of the Beast terribly interesting.


It's not as interesting as you think: it's just code for knowing Latin. See, the Beast was Emperor Nero, and and if you didn't have the Mark on your hand (the ability to write in Latin) or on your head (the ability to speak Latin), you wouldn't be able to "buy or sell" in the Roman Empire. Simple as that, really.
 
2014-03-18 06:10:53 AM
Might as well go full retard and get a face or neck tat .
 
2014-03-18 06:18:27 AM

SquiggsIN: Yet, so many of the people who want to cherry pick old testament verses to justify discrimination continually ignore the parts surrounding said verses.  I wouldn't make the assumption that the pastor is gay-friendly.  Plenty of people cite lev18:22 while ignoring almost everything else in the book without seeing the hypocrisy in doing so.


Eh, stupid individual people do that.

The institutions base hating on gay people mostly on the Pauline epistles, plus a few other comments here and there in the NT.

The only old testament rules that churches actually treat as rules are the first three or four of the ten commandments, ish.  No stealin', no murderin', no idolatry, no covetin'.  Everything else isn't really binding, it's the origin story that doesn't really matter... basically the Christian Silmarillion, some interesting imagery and language here and there but no actual moral lessons.
 
2014-03-18 06:33:27 AM
Leviticus forbids tats.  It also forbids shaving your face. And homosexuality.  And a whole bunch of other weird shiat.  So it actually MAY be easier, statistically speaking, for a camel/eye of needle.
 
2014-03-18 06:45:06 AM

Number40: So it actually MAY be easier, statistically speaking, for a camel/eye of needle camel toe a squirtle.

 
2014-03-18 06:49:55 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: untaken_name: Eh, Christians only pretend to believe in the bible. Look at how many Christian churches serve ham on a regular basis. Look at how many churches perform interracial marriages, etc. They just want the moral authority that traditionally came from the bible without the inconvenience of following its rules.

0/10 Too obvious.


Uh, it's not MY book. If you want to pretend that interracial marriage isn't prohibited in the Christian's source of doctrine, that's your problem. I didn't write the thing, and I am not responsible for its contents.
 
2014-03-18 06:52:58 AM

Number40: It also forbids shaving your face.


Technically, it does not. It forbids shaving designs into your facial hair. You are allowed a full, neatly trimmed beard, a full, non-trimmed beard, or you can be completely clean-shaven. Goatees and such are what is prohibited. "Rounding the corners of your head/beard" is how it's translated into English.
 
2014-03-18 06:55:33 AM

propasaurus: Leviticus 18:22 still counts, though.


Only if you are a Levite.
 
2014-03-18 06:58:58 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.


Riiiiiight.  That's why the Old Testament is never, EVER read in a Christian mass.  Are you as fat as you are ignorant?
 
2014-03-18 06:59:54 AM
Is it just me, or was Paul sort of douchy in general? Not just the gay stuff, but I always get the impression that he was just a little more self righteous than necessary. Especially compared to the rest of them. I don't know.
 
2014-03-18 07:04:35 AM

Number40: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Riiiiiight.  That's why the Old Testament is never, EVER read in a Christian mass.  Are you as fat as you are ignorant?


Christian mass?

You mean Catholic mass, I'm sure.

And I don't really have a good idea what those Mary worshippers do at their rituals.
 
2014-03-18 07:05:40 AM

Danger Avoid Death:


Classy - I hear she also has braille version made of genital warts.
 
2014-03-18 07:09:54 AM

robohobo: Mirandized: Revelation 19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

'nuff said.

I find the whole idea of the Mark of the Beast terribly interesting. Especially as we progress further and further into governmental control and containment. It may be a tattoo. It may be a brand. It may be an implanted RFID chip. It may be some some crazy nano-bot injected with a forced vaccine. Or hell, it might be a forced dildo 'cause homosexual equality. Should such a thing ever exist, I wouldn't rule anything out, seeing as how people seem to value their goddamned political identity over all else.

And those people would deserve it.

/I really do find the mark of the beast stuff fascinating, though


I read a few books back in the day, mostly by those chasing The Historical Jesus. Mostly they thought that John of Patmos was writing in code, or sort of in riddles, so those not in the know would not get the meaning of the message. That would exclude any modern take on the mark, such as RFID or credit cards. I agree that is in a way fascinating.

I am also curious if the minister in this case is a fundamentalist or a prosperity evangelist. If he is a fundie I am surprised his flock hasn't called him on Leviticus or Revelation. If he is prosperity gospel, I applaud his attempt to inject tolerance into the mix, but I doubt he will succeed.
 
2014-03-18 07:10:14 AM
No one pays attention to Leviticus or at least they cherry pick what they want to follow. As for the Ten Commandments in court houses, there are no laws even based on the Ten Commandments. Stealing and murder, that's it and even those are highly negotiable.
 
2014-03-18 07:11:09 AM

robohobo: The Old Testament is the far superior Testament.

/just saying


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVbTXg8x2EA
 
2014-03-18 07:15:57 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: untaken_name: Eh, Christians only pretend to believe in the bible. Look at how many Christian churches serve ham on a regular basis. Look at how many churches perform interracial marriages, etc. They just want the moral authority that traditionally came from the bible without the inconvenience of following its rules.

0/10 Too obvious.


I don't think that was a troll, I think it was a zing against the hypocrisy of modern churches.
 
2014-03-18 07:29:38 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Number40: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Riiiiiight.  That's why the Old Testament is never, EVER read in a Christian mass.  Are you as fat as you are ignorant?

Christian mass?

You mean Catholic mass, I'm sure.

And I don't really have a good idea what those Mary worshippers do at their rituals.


So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.
 
2014-03-18 07:31:16 AM

Number40: AverageAmericanGuy: Number40: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Riiiiiight.  That's why the Old Testament is never, EVER read in a Christian mass.  Are you as fat as you are ignorant?

Christian mass?

You mean Catholic mass, I'm sure.

And I don't really have a good idea what those Mary worshippers do at their rituals.

So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.


Where did I say Catholics are Christians? That's all you, kid.
 
2014-03-18 07:31:44 AM

Mirandized: robohobo: Mirandized: Revelation 19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

'nuff said.

I find the whole idea of the Mark of the Beast terribly interesting. Especially as we progress further and further into governmental control and containment. It may be a tattoo. It may be a brand. It may be an implanted RFID chip. It may be some some crazy nano-bot injected with a forced vaccine. Or hell, it might be a forced dildo 'cause homosexual equality. Should such a thing ever exist, I wouldn't rule anything out, seeing as how people seem to value their goddamned political identity over all else.

And those people would deserve it.

/I really do find the mark of the beast stuff fascinating, though

I read a few books back in the day, mostly by those chasing The Historical Jesus. Mostly they thought that John of Patmos was writing in code, or sort of in riddles, so those not in the know would not get the meaning of the message. That would exclude any modern take on the mark, such as RFID or credit cards. I agree that is in a way fascinating.

I am also curious if the minister in this case is a fundamentalist or a prosperity evangelist. If he is a fundie I am surprised his flock hasn't called him on Leviticus or Revelation. If he is prosperity gospel, I applaud his attempt to inject tolerance into the mix, but I doubt he will succeed.


I'm pretty sure when he talks about the mark of the beast on either right hand or forehead, it means taking the "mark" through your actions or your thoughts.

So yeah... symbolic.
 
2014-03-18 07:41:22 AM

MisterTweak: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Some of them seem to obsess about the whole Ten Commandments thing - the Roy Moore thing from a few years back, or the monuments that are popping up like boners at a viagra factory.

My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Oh. Well, it's possible they all just lost a contact lens somewhere.

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Which is funny, because folks seem to be OK with forgiveness about adultery or stealing or bearing false witness, but the ghey, that seems to be a whole different story. Remember: you can forgive the breaking of God's Commandments, but a law that is on par with eating shellfish, shaving nattily, wearing poly-blend fibers and permanently owning property--which Leviticus was definitely down on--those are just suggestions*...

*Except for gheys. That is totally going to send you straight to Hell, and there's no coming back, O Sodomite...
 
2014-03-18 07:56:10 AM

Jim_Callahan: SquiggsIN: Yet, so many of the people who want to cherry pick old testament verses to justify discrimination continually ignore the parts surrounding said verses.  I wouldn't make the assumption that the pastor is gay-friendly.  Plenty of people cite lev18:22 while ignoring almost everything else in the book without seeing the hypocrisy in doing so.

Eh, stupid individual people do that.

The institutions base hating on gay people mostly on the Pauline epistles, plus a few other comments here and there in the NT.

The only old testament rules that churches actually treat as rules are the first three or four of the ten commandments, ish.  No stealin', no murderin', no idolatry, no covetin'.  Everything else isn't really binding, it's the origin story that doesn't really matter... basically the Christian Silmarillion, some interesting imagery and language here and there but no actual moral lessons.


Rofl...explain how mult-ton stone monuments of the Ten Commandments AREN'T idolatry.
 
2014-03-18 07:57:03 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.


A tattoo thread? All we need is a tipping and a NY vs Chicago pizza thread for the trifecta.


Bonus for combining them such as "waitress refused tips at NY/Chicago pizza place for having tattoos"
 
2014-03-18 07:57:45 AM
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We must also obey Commandments 11 through 15. Whatever they were.
 
2014-03-18 08:06:16 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. Jesus begs to differ. Matt 5:17-19 They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

 
2014-03-18 08:11:57 AM

SquiggsIN: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit. is a collection of superstitions, legends, and exaggerations collected and codified by money-hungry power-brokers in the early christian church as a manner to control a large group of disparate peoples who'd recently been conquered and were getting unruly.

FTFY


So is your suggestion that the Romans started the Christ mythos?
 
2014-03-18 08:21:34 AM
How most American Christians see the Old Testament:

blah blah God created the world in 6 days, blah blah blah, Noah...flood...ten commandments..blah blah blah...gays bad...blah blah blah
 
2014-03-18 08:25:44 AM

Fu Manchu: I'm pretty sure when he talks about the mark of the beast on either right hand or forehead, it means taking the "mark" through your actions or your thoughts.

So yeah... symbolic.


I have no idea what he was trying to say. He was having "visions." Maybe self induced trance states or plant induced hallucinations. Then he tried to pass that along in code to his confederates. I don't think anyone in today can say with any assurance what he meant beyond very general terms.
 
2014-03-18 08:56:25 AM

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We must also obey Commandments 11 through 15. Whatever they were.


11. Be excellent to each other.
 
2014-03-18 09:05:27 AM
There is a difference between acceptance and enabling. I suspect this pastor has lost sight of that difference.
 
2014-03-18 09:06:15 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.


Considering the old testament is the ONLY Place in the bible it says "gays are bad", I'd say they don't ignore it nearly enough.
 
2014-03-18 09:09:33 AM
I dont even think religious people want to be taken seriously anymore.  I think theyre in on the joke and just trolling society.

I have a friend who claims to be a christian.  when we go out drinking on saturday she says she has to stop early enough so that she can still make it to church on sunday without a hangover.  never sure if serious.
 
2014-03-18 09:19:46 AM

ChubbyTiger: Is it just me, or was Paul sort of douchy in general? Not just the gay stuff, but I always get the impression that he was just a little more self righteous than necessary. Especially compared to the rest of them. I don't know.


1) He never met Jesus.
2) He decided on the veracity of the Jesus cult, which wasn't Christianity at that stage, but was more a Jewish reforming cult, after falling off his mount and hitting his head. Draw your own conclusions.
3) Shut up, whore: His views on women were later used as the basis for denying women the priesthood and the right to even speak in church. Despite his railings about the gheys, he was no fan of hetero-sex, either, except a grudging acknowledgement that "it is better to marry than to burn with passion", implying, as does that whole chapter of Corinthians, that lawful icky bumping of uglies was preferable to unlawful, but it was probably best avoided through self-discipline, like he, Paul, managed in what could only be described as a humour-deficient manner.

A lot of what is utterly wrong with the Christian Church (anti-Semitism, misogyny, to name a couple of examples) can be directly traced to this mendacious, sex-fearing douchebag who spent the first part of his life slurring proto-Christians, until a timely spot of brain damage made him equally opposed to the Jews, of which he was once a top-tier adherent.
 
2014-03-18 09:28:13 AM

Duane Dibbley: Harry Freakstorm: [www.atheistinamerica.com image 198x250]

We must also obey Commandments 11 through 15. Whatever they were.

11. Be excellent to each other.


I am an atheist, but I like to point out to christians when they start talking about sin and the bible and what their god commands.

According to the new testament, when the pharisees attempted to entrap Jesus, they asked him which commandment was the most important, knowing that if he were to name any single commandment, they could rightly brand him a heretic.   Jesus answered that all of the commandments come down to first loving god with all of your heart and second loving your brother as you love yourself.

Nothing about the ghey, or witchery, or fornicating, or alcohol.

Just loving.

/(Again, atheist.  But loving my brothers as best I can.)
 
2014-03-18 09:29:27 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit


My copy must be on the fritz, because I haven't heard from that guy.  Ever.
 
2014-03-18 09:33:17 AM

Ambivalence: Considering the old testament is the ONLY Place in the bible it says "gays are bad", I'd say they don't ignore it nearly enough.


No, that's not the only place, but the only places they appear in the New Testament are the various epistles of Paul (I think the Epistle to the Romans being the primary one).
 
2014-03-18 09:36:18 AM
Why do I get the feeling that some of you are

1) Angry Atheists
2) Angry Christians
3) just plain Angry?

Is anyone forcing you to get a tattoo? NO! So don't worry about this. There is a Lutheran Minister who has tattoos: Nadia Bolz-Weber. Great speaker, you can google her name.

How is it that the person (joeshill) who understands a simple message the best (Love God before all others and love your neighbors as yourself) said he's an atheist?

//By the way, after Jesus told them about those two things, he turned around to his apostles and whispered "There's a third Commandment--LISTEN TO YOUR MOTHER!"
 
2014-03-18 09:40:34 AM

robohobo: Especially as we progress further and further into governmental control and containment.


Alex Jones? Is that you?
 
2014-03-18 09:55:47 AM

Marcus Aurelius: AverageAmericanGuy: They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit

My copy must be on the fritz, because I haven't heard from that guy.  Ever.


Read the OLD TESTAMENT, that's where you'll find the Holy Spirit.
 
2014-03-18 09:58:26 AM

Number40: So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.


I don't think any Catholics celebrate mass...I think most of them attend begrudgingly.

Methodists don't have mass, Baptists don't have mass.  I don't know about all those other Protestants.
 
2014-03-18 10:05:49 AM
Wacky-ass kids these days and their tatts...

My college-age daughter has a couple of them, one on each arm. I'm not a fan, but at least they're tasteful and inoffensive so... no biggie to me. At least she's doing well in school, so I can't complain too much.

But goddamn, her gramma (my otherwise reasonable mom) is flipping ALL her shiat over it. I couldn't really understand why, until now. It's the whole Leviticus thing, I'll bet.
 
2014-03-18 10:06:36 AM

Duane Dibbley: Harry Freakstorm: [www.atheistinamerica.com image 198x250]

We must also obey Commandments 11 through 15. Whatever they were.

11. Be excellent to each other.


12. Party on, Dudes!

/they dropped the idea of doing a Bill and Ted 3, didn't they? Please?
 
2014-03-18 10:18:00 AM

Farce-Side: Number40: So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.

I don't think any Catholics celebrate mass...I think most of them attend begrudgingly.

Methodists don't have mass, Baptists don't have mass.  I don't know about all those other Protestants.


Believe it or not, all Churches are celebrating Mass. How? Why? Because, Mass means the Holy Eucharist (which means Great Thanksgiving). The purpose of any and all Church services is to give thanks to God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Communion, however, is something else.  The Holy Communion is a sacrament to celebrate the Last Supper. The Roman Catholic, Episcopalian/Anglican and Orthodox churches all celebrate Holy Communion. It's a standard. Some Protestant Churches: Lutheran, Methodists also celebrate it.
The reason why some Protestants don't celebrate the Holy Communion is because it's considered a "Catholic" thing to do and once upon a time, you had to be baptized into the Catholic Church in order to receive it. (Receive it means getting the bread/wine.) Things have changed. If you are baptized Christian, you can receive Holy Communion. If you aren't a baptized Christian, you can still receive Holy Communion. And if you don't want to receive it, you can ask for a Blessing instead.

//A member of my church is Jewish. She receives Holy Communion because she's moved by its message.
 
2014-03-18 10:28:07 AM

joeshill: Duane Dibbley: Harry Freakstorm: [www.atheistinamerica.com image 198x250]

We must also obey Commandments 11 through 15. Whatever they were.

11. Be excellent to each other.

I am an atheist, but I like to point out to christians when they start talking about sin and the bible and what their god commands.

According to the new testament, when the pharisees attempted to entrap Jesus, they asked him which commandment was the most important, knowing that if he were to name any single commandment, they could rightly brand him a heretic.   Jesus answered that all of the commandments come down to first loving god with all of your heart and second loving your brother as you love yourself.

Nothing about the ghey, or witchery, or fornicating, or alcohol.

Just loving.

/(Again, atheist.  But loving my brothers as best I can.)


I may be witnessing a first.  Here is an atheist who actually understands more about Christianity than most Christians, and isn't misinterpreting things, taking things out of context, or just believes patently false information.  Folks, the message really is this simple.  You may not believe in the reasons behind it all, but kudos to you for understanding the message and trying to live it!  Now if more Christians would be concerned with following this simple principle...
 
2014-03-18 10:36:19 AM
Sending his whole congregation straight to hell for eternity, with the gays.
 
2014-03-18 10:38:11 AM

budrojr: joeshill: Duane Dibbley: Harry Freakstorm: [www.atheistinamerica.com image 198x250]

We must also obey Commandments 11 through 15. Whatever they were.

11. Be excellent to each other.

I am an atheist, but I like to point out to christians when they start talking about sin and the bible and what their god commands.

According to the new testament, when the pharisees attempted to entrap Jesus, they asked him which commandment was the most important, knowing that if he were to name any single commandment, they could rightly brand him a heretic.   Jesus answered that all of the commandments come down to first loving god with all of your heart and second loving your brother as you love yourself.

Nothing about the ghey, or witchery, or fornicating, or alcohol.

Just loving.

/(Again, atheist.  But loving my brothers as best I can.)

I may be witnessing a first.  Here is an atheist who actually understands more about Christianity than most Christians, and isn't misinterpreting things, taking things out of context, or just believes patently false information.  Folks, the message really is this simple.  You may not believe in the reasons behind it all, but kudos to you for understanding the message and trying to live it!   Now if more Christians would be concerned with following this simple principle...


Most Christians need to spent less time talking about Jesus Christ and more time acting like Jesus Christ.
 
2014-03-18 10:41:31 AM
AverageAmericanGuy:

Where did I say Catholics are Christians? That's all you, kid.

Oh, I get it.  So you're dumb.
 
2014-03-18 10:47:41 AM

untaken_name: If you want to pretend that interracial marriage isn't prohibited in the Christian's source of doctrine


Where is interracial marriage prohibited in the Bible?
 
2014-03-18 10:54:19 AM

on the road: untaken_name: If you want to pretend that interracial marriage isn't prohibited in the Christian's source of doctrine

Where is interracial marriage prohibited in the Bible?


It's in there somewhere.  It's all a matter of interpretation.


/and holding the bible at arm's length and squinting, if necessary
 
2014-03-18 11:00:33 AM

allylloyd: Farce-Side: Number40: So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.

I don't think any Catholics celebrate mass...I think most of them attend begrudgingly.

Methodists don't have mass, Baptists don't have mass.  I don't know about all those other Protestants.

Believe it or not, all Churches are celebrating Mass. How? Why? Because, Mass means the Holy Eucharist (which means Great Thanksgiving). The purpose of any and all Church services is to give thanks to God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Communion, however, is something else.  The Holy Communion is a sacrament to celebrate the Last Supper. The Roman Catholic, Episcopalian/Anglican and Orthodox churches all celebrate Holy Communion. It's a standard. Some Protestant Churches: Lutheran, Methodists also celebrate it.
The reason why some Protestants don't celebrate the Holy Communion is because it's considered a "Catholic" thing to do and once upon a time, you had to be baptized into the Catholic Church in order to receive it. (Receive it means getting the bread/wine.) Things have changed. If you are baptized Christian, you can receive Holy Communion. If you aren't a baptized Christian, you can still receive Holy Communion. And if you don't want to receive it, you can ask for a Blessing instead.

//A member of my church is Jewish. She receives Holy Communion because she's moved by its message.


Bullshiat.
 
2014-03-18 11:06:25 AM

UtileDysfunktion: on the road: untaken_name: If you want to pretend that interracial marriage isn't prohibited in the Christian's source of doctrine

Where is interracial marriage prohibited in the Bible?

It's in there somewhere.  It's all a matter of interpretation.


/and holding the bible at arm's length and squinting, if necessary


Do you mean "race" as in different religious sects or "race" as in skin color?

In the OT, a Jew couldn't marry a Jew who was not of the same sect. Basically, it was used as a way to get the line going.
There is only one marriage mentioned in the NT--the Wedding at Cana. The races of the couple isn't mentioned, only the food and the wine.
In the US, interracial (skin color) marriage wasn't allowed due to racial prejudices, not religious ones.

//In some denominations, there are "rules" when members get married, regardless of "sects". So if you mean "race" as different religious beliefs or churches (sects), you're correct.
 
2014-03-18 11:12:55 AM

Farce-Side: allylloyd: Farce-Side: Number40: So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.

I don't think any Catholics celebrate mass...I think most of them attend begrudgingly.

Methodists don't have mass, Baptists don't have mass.  I don't know about all those other Protestants.

Believe it or not, all Churches are celebrating Mass. How? Why? Because, Mass means the Holy Eucharist (which means Great Thanksgiving). The purpose of any and all Church services is to give thanks to God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Communion, however, is something else.  The Holy Communion is a sacrament to celebrate the Last Supper. The Roman Catholic, Episcopalian/Anglican and Orthodox churches all celebrate Holy Communion. It's a standard. Some Protestant Churches: Lutheran, Methodists also celebrate it.
The reason why some Protestants don't celebrate the Holy Communion is because it's considered a "Catholic" thing to do and once upon a time, you had to be baptized into the Catholic Church in order to receive it. (Receive it means getting the bread/wine.) Things have changed. If you are baptized Christian, you can receive Holy Communion. If you aren't a baptized Christian, you can still receive Holy Communion. And if you don't want to receive it, you can ask for a Blessing instead.

//A member of my church is Jewish. She receives Holy Communion because she's moved by its message.

Bullshiat.


No it's the truth. Her husband belongs to the church; she attends with him. She hasn't stopped being Jewish; she starting being Christian, too. A lot people do that. Only they usually attend more Protestant churches.
 
2014-03-18 11:14:16 AM

RottenEggs: Might as well go full retard and get a face or neck tat .


Crown of thorn implants for Christ!
 
2014-03-18 11:16:38 AM

Farce-Side: allylloyd: Farce-Side: Number40: So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.

I don't think any Catholics celebrate mass...I think most of them attend begrudgingly.

Methodists don't have mass, Baptists don't have mass.  I don't know about all those other Protestants.

Believe it or not, all Churches are celebrating Mass. How? Why? Because, Mass means the Holy Eucharist (which means Great Thanksgiving). The purpose of any and all Church services is to give thanks to God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Communion, however, is something else.  The Holy Communion is a sacrament to celebrate the Last Supper. The Roman Catholic, Episcopalian/Anglican and Orthodox churches all celebrate Holy Communion. It's a standard. Some Protestant Churches: Lutheran, Methodists also celebrate it.
The reason why some Protestants don't celebrate the Holy Communion is because it's considered a "Catholic" thing to do and once upon a time, you had to be baptized into the Catholic Church in order to receive it. (Receive it means getting the bread/wine.) Things have changed. If you are baptized Christian, you can receive Holy Communion. If you aren't a baptized Christian, you can still receive Holy Communion. And if you don't want to receive it, you can ask for a Blessing instead.

//A member of my church is Jewish. She receives Holy Communion because she's moved by its message.

Bullshiat.


Oh, I have a friend from high school who is also a Jew who attends the Presbyterian church. I remember going to his bar mitzah. Why Presbyterian? He likes the message. Personally, I think he should attend some place that's a little more friendly (Lutheran or Methodist or Episcopalian). However, he's happy, so I'm happy for him.
 
2014-03-18 11:56:07 AM
 I understand the Hells Angels have a similar policy.
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-18 12:07:26 PM

allylloyd: Most Christians need to spent less time talking about Jesus Christ and more time acting like Jesus Christ.


Truth.
 
2014-03-18 12:10:25 PM
All ya'll are going to burn

/urethra infection
 
2014-03-18 12:17:31 PM

untaken_name: demaL-demaL-yeH: untaken_name: Eh, Christians only pretend to believe in the bible. Look at how many Christian churches serve ham on a regular basis. Look at how many churches perform interracial marriages, etc. They just want the moral authority that traditionally came from the bible without the inconvenience of following its rules.

0/10 Too obvious.

Uh, it's not MY book. If you want to pretend that interracial marriage isn't prohibited in the Christian's source of doctrine, that's your problem. I didn't write the thing, and I am not responsible for its contents.


What Jews might look like:

www.jewishmultiracialnetwork.org

/As you pointed out, it's not your Book.
 
2014-03-18 12:41:53 PM

Clemkadidlefark: All ya'll are going to burn

/urethra infection


You will all feel the flames

/bengay
 
2014-03-18 12:45:01 PM

budrojr: Here is an atheist who actually understands more about Christianity than most Christians, and isn't misinterpreting things, taking things out of context, or just believes patently false information.


This is far more common than you think.
 
2014-03-18 12:48:08 PM

Vimesy: AverageAmericanGuy:

Where did I say Catholics are Christians? That's all you, kid.

Oh, I get it.  So you're dumb.


The really scary thought is he might BE an Average American Guy.
 
2014-03-18 01:20:30 PM

on the road: untaken_name: If you want to pretend that interracial marriage isn't prohibited in the Christian's source of doctrine

Where is interracial marriage prohibited in the Bible?


Just ask The Official King James Bible Online.

Or ask Ken Ham (though he ... never mind.  It's Ken Ham).  Or Dennis Prager.

There's also the whole "Curse of Ham" bit.
 
2014-03-18 01:26:40 PM

allylloyd: The reason why some Protestants don't celebrate the Holy Communion is because it's considered a "Catholic" thing to do and once upon a time


A local Baptist church does communion a couple times a month. They use grape juice.

/I shiat you not
 
2014-03-18 01:32:55 PM

Ambivalence: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Considering the old testament is the ONLY Place in the bible it says "gays are bad", I'd say they don't ignore it nearly enough.



community.us.playstation.com
 
2014-03-18 01:34:23 PM

ciberido: Just ask The Official King James Bible Online.


Most of those are about not marrying non-believers.

ciberido: Or ask Ken Ham


Now you make me feel dirty for defending Ken Ham.

There is no biblical justification for claiming that people from different so-called "races" (best described as "people groups") should not marry.
The biblical basis for marriage makes it clear that a Christian should marry only a Christian.


Granted, he sounds like an idiot talking about "races" as "people groups", but he's not saying what you claim he is.
 
2014-03-18 02:44:43 PM

allylloyd: Farce-Side: Number40: So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.

I don't think any Catholics celebrate mass...I think most of them attend begrudgingly.

Methodists don't have mass, Baptists don't have mass.  I don't know about all those other Protestants.

Believe it or not, all Churches are celebrating Mass.


No.


The reason why some Protestants don't celebrate the Holy Communion is because it's considered a "Catholic" thing to do and


No.
 
2014-03-18 02:54:46 PM

ciberido: allylloyd: Farce-Side: Number40: So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.

I don't think any Catholics celebrate mass...I think most of them attend begrudgingly.

Methodists don't have mass, Baptists don't have mass.  I don't know about all those other Protestants.

Believe it or not, all Churches are celebrating Mass.

No.


The reason why some Protestants don't celebrate the Holy Communion is because it's considered a "Catholic" thing to do and

No.


Protestant churches as in NON-denominational Churches. Most denominational churches will celebrate Holy Communion. Not using wine makes no sense, however. Holy Communion celebrates the Last Supper, a Passover Seder. Wine is always served then. Grape juice is for the kids...
 
2014-03-18 02:57:33 PM
I read it as you don't get marks on your body as memorials for the dead. The dead returns to God and should not be mourned in death.
 
2014-03-18 03:10:44 PM

allylloyd: Farce-Side: allylloyd: Farce-Side: Number40: So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.

I don't think any Catholics celebrate mass...I think most of them attend begrudgingly.

Methodists don't have mass, Baptists don't have mass.  I don't know about all those other Protestants.

Believe it or not, all Churches are celebrating Mass. How? Why? Because, Mass means the Holy Eucharist (which means Great Thanksgiving). The purpose of any and all Church services is to give thanks to God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Communion, however, is something else.  The Holy Communion is a sacrament to celebrate the Last Supper. The Roman Catholic, Episcopalian/Anglican and Orthodox churches all celebrate Holy Communion. It's a standard. Some Protestant Churches: Lutheran, Methodists also celebrate it.
The reason why some Protestants don't celebrate the Holy Communion is because it's considered a "Catholic" thing to do and once upon a time, you had to be baptized into the Catholic Church in order to receive it. (Receive it means getting the bread/wine.) Things have changed. If you are baptized Christian, you can receive Holy Communion. If you aren't a baptized Christian, you can still receive Holy Communion. And if you don't want to receive it, you can ask for a Blessing instead.

//A member of my church is Jewish. She receives Holy Communion because she's moved by its message.

Bullshiat.

No it's the truth. Her husband belongs to the church; she attends with him. She hasn't stopped being Jewish; she starting being Christian, too. A lot people do that. Only they usually attend more Protestant churches.


So if a guy who was brought up as christian started following Islam, would you say they haven't stopped being, they just started being muslim too?

As far as religion goes I don't care what peopel believe as long at it doesn't interfere with my life, but the above statements show a glaring ignorance of the basic theology behind the religion. People who think they can believe whatever they want and still use words to describe different beliefs are idiots.
 
2014-03-18 03:11:40 PM

grumpfuff: budrojr: Here is an atheist who actually understands more about Christianity than most Christians, and isn't misinterpreting things, taking things out of context, or just believes patently false information.

This is far more common than you think.


Not on this site it isn't.
 
2014-03-18 03:18:36 PM

budrojr: grumpfuff: budrojr: Here is an atheist who actually understands more about Christianity than most Christians, and isn't misinterpreting things, taking things out of context, or just believes patently false information.

This is far more common than you think.

Not on this site it isn't.


You may be shocked to learn this, but there is a world outside of Fark.
 
2014-03-18 03:24:46 PM

allylloyd: ciberido: allylloyd: Farce-Side: Number40: So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.

I don't think any Catholics celebrate mass...I think most of them attend begrudgingly.

Methodists don't have mass, Baptists don't have mass.  I don't know about all those other Protestants.

Believe it or not, all Churches are celebrating Mass.

No.


The reason why some Protestants don't celebrate the Holy Communion is because it's considered a "Catholic" thing to do and

No.

Protestant churches as in NON-denominational Churches. Most denominational churches will celebrate Holy Communion. Not using wine makes no sense, however. Holy Communion celebrates the Last Supper, a Passover Seder. Wine is always served then. Grape juice is for the kids...


Well, other than the fact that the Seder was invented after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70CE. The origins of the Haggadah didn't appear until around 200CE, and what would be called a Seder didn't reach its current form until the fifth century CE.

Other than that, and the fact that Jews find ritual cannibalism abhorrent beyond words ...
 
2014-03-18 03:25:34 PM

grumpfuff: budrojr: grumpfuff: budrojr: Here is an atheist who actually understands more about Christianity than most Christians, and isn't misinterpreting things, taking things out of context, or just believes patently false information.

This is far more common than you think.

Not on this site it isn't.

You may be shocked to learn this, but there is a world outside of Fark.


Blasphemer!
 
2014-03-18 03:27:49 PM

allylloyd: Protestant churches as in NON-denominational Churches. Most denominational churches will celebrate Holy Communion. Not using wine makes no sense, however. Holy Communion celebrates the Last Supper, a Passover Seder. Wine is always served then. Grape juice is for the kids...


This is a pretty typical xtian here.  Has no idea what they are talking about but insists on sticking to their guns anyway.
 
2014-03-18 03:44:37 PM

allylloyd: Farce-Side: Number40: So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.

I don't think any Catholics celebrate mass...I think most of them attend begrudgingly.

Methodists don't have mass, Baptists don't have mass.  I don't know about all those other Protestants.

Believe it or not, all Churches are celebrating Mass. How? Why? Because, Mass means the Holy Eucharist (which means Great Thanksgiving). The purpose of any and all Church services is to give thanks to God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Communion, however, is something else.  The Holy Communion is a sacrament to celebrate the Last Supper. The Roman Catholic, Episcopalian/Anglican and Orthodox churches all celebrate Holy Communion. It's a standard. Some Protestant Churches: Lutheran, Methodists also celebrate it.
The reason why some Protestants don't celebrate the Holy Communion is because it's considered a "Catholic" thing to do and once upon a time, you had to be baptized into the Catholic Church in order to receive it. (Receive it means getting the bread/wine.) Things have changed. If you are baptized Christian, you can receive Holy Communion. If you aren't a baptized Christian, you can still receive Holy Communion. And if you don't want to receive it, you can ask for a Blessing instead.

//A member of my church is Jewish. She receives Holy Communion because she's moved by its message.


Religiously, she is apostate. She is not counted as a Jew for any religious observance.
 
2014-03-18 04:51:57 PM

enigmaticsource: MisterTweak: ... My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Yep, some church people are all kinds of well, stupid; and it paints us all in a bad light.  But on the bright side I'm working on some flash for a fellow church member (and a Baptist type person).

/Yep, he's a deacon, In his 50's
//Yay Baptists?! (and may Fred Phelps either get saved quick, or find a nice cold spot in hell)
\\\ CSB, and this post sponsored by vodka, et al.


absolutely. I have one relative who's a jesuit monsignor and another who is a rabbi (of some type - I don't know as much about clerical distinctions in judaism). Both are incredibly intelligent and the most enjoyable, curious, thought-provoking people I could hope to spend an evening around a dinner table with. They'll both happily take any side of any agrument just for fun - from capital punishment to abortion to guns. The only topic that both of them seem to hold absolutely as off-limits is baseball; one is a yankees fan and the other likes the Mets (from my wife's side of the family - no explaining for taste)

What they have in common with the Roy Moores of the country is... well, about as much as a formula one driver has in common with a drunk in a rusty pickup; the vehicle bares a vague resemblance but that's about it.
 
2014-03-18 05:10:45 PM

allylloyd: In the US, interracial (skin color) marriage wasn't allowed due to racial prejudices, not religious ones.


True, but lots of those racists justified their racism by hiding behind their religion (whether it really says what they want it to or not), just like lots of anti-gay bigots today do...

photos.ark-ives.com
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images.sodahead.com

/Apparently, it somehow had something to do with communism too...
//Because, yeah, that makes perfect sense...
 
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