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2014-03-17 11:57:08 PM  
Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.
 
2014-03-18 12:25:41 AM  
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2014-03-18 12:26:16 AM  
Leviticus 18:22 still counts, though.
 
2014-03-18 12:28:03 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.


Some of them seem to obsess about the whole Ten Commandments thing - the Roy Moore thing from a few years back, or the monuments that are popping up like boners at a viagra factory.

My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Oh. Well, it's possible they all just lost a contact lens somewhere.

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2014-03-18 12:29:33 AM  

MisterTweak: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Some of them seem to obsess about the whole Ten Commandments thing - the Roy Moore thing from a few years back, or the monuments that are popping up like boners at a viagra factory.

My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Oh. Well, it's possible they all just lost a contact lens somewhere.

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It ain't a pushup until your chest touches the Bible, old man!
 
2014-03-18 12:42:36 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: MisterTweak: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Some of them seem to obsess about the whole Ten Commandments thing - the Roy Moore thing from a few years back, or the monuments that are popping up like boners at a viagra factory.

My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Oh. Well, it's possible they all just lost a contact lens somewhere.

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It ain't a pushup until your chest touches the Bible, old man!


*brings up bible.org on cellphone*
*chest-bumps phone, scaring cat and getting very strange look from wife*
*makes up good story about how I was actually browsing porn and not posting on fark*
 
2014-03-18 02:44:06 AM  
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Honestly, I expect nothing less of a zombie cult.
 
2014-03-18 04:18:51 AM  
The Old Testament is the far superior Testament.

/just saying
 
2014-03-18 04:20:43 AM  

SquiggsIN: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit. is a collection of superstitions, legends, and exaggerations collected and codified by money-hungry power-brokers in the early christian church as a manner to control a large group of disparate peoples who'd recently been conquered and were getting unruly.

FTFY


Shouldn't you be somewhere jerking off to NDGT or something?
 
2014-03-18 04:24:25 AM  
If all of the members of your church are getting church logo tattoos, you might want to consider whether you've created a cult.
 
2014-03-18 04:25:38 AM  

SquiggsIN: robohobo: SquiggsIN: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit. is a collection of superstitions, legends, and exaggerations collected and codified by money-hungry power-brokers in the early christian church as a manner to control a large group of disparate peoples who'd recently been conquered and were getting unruly.

FTFY

Shouldn't you be somewhere jerking off to NDGT or something?

Nah, I still prefer the original, Carl Sagan.


He most likely had better drugs. I would so smoke up with the guy, except 2014 pot might kill a guy used to mid-70's pot.
/not really, but it'd be funny to watch
//don't mind me, I'm feeling snarly tonight
 
2014-03-18 04:29:36 AM  
You know who else like giving people tattoos?
 
2014-03-18 04:30:48 AM  
MisterTweak: ... My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Yep, some church people are all kinds of well, stupid; and it paints us all in a bad light.  But on the bright side I'm working on some flash for a fellow church member (and a Baptist type person).

/Yep, he's a deacon, In his 50's
//Yay Baptists?! (and may Fred Phelps either get saved quick, or find a nice cold spot in hell)
\\\ CSB, and this post sponsored by vodka, et al.
 
2014-03-18 04:30:56 AM  

SpdrJay: You know who else like giving people tattoos?


Kat von D?
 
2014-03-18 04:32:00 AM  

MisterTweak: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Some of them seem to obsess about the whole Ten Commandments thing - the Roy Moore thing from a few years back, or the monuments that are popping up like boners at a viagra factory.

My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Oh. Well, it's possible they all just lost a contact lens somewhere.

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Eh, Christians only pretend to believe in the bible. Look at how many Christian churches serve ham on a regular basis. Look at how many churches perform interracial marriages, etc. They just want the moral authority that traditionally came from the bible without the inconvenience of following its rules.
 
2014-03-18 04:32:22 AM  

SpdrJay: You know who else like giving people tattoos?


The FedGov sometime in the next 30 years?
 
2014-03-18 04:38:00 AM  
 Drink thee not, nor thee, thou sons, lest ye die.  Nor congregate at the corner tabernacle.
michaelgraham.com
 
2014-03-18 05:00:46 AM  
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2014-03-18 05:04:48 AM  

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That's one seriously mixed up whore. I'd bet she's easy, though. For those who like such.
 
2014-03-18 05:12:11 AM  

untaken_name: Eh, Christians only pretend to believe in the bible. Look at how many Christian churches serve ham on a regular basis. Look at how many churches perform interracial marriages, etc. They just want the moral authority that traditionally came from the bible without the inconvenience of following its rules.


0/10 Too obvious.
 
2014-03-18 05:16:30 AM  
Revelation 19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

'nuff said.
 
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2014-03-18 05:26:54 AM  
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preach the tolerance bros
 
2014-03-18 05:30:49 AM  

Mirandized: Revelation 19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

'nuff said.


I find the whole idea of the Mark of the Beast terribly interesting. Especially as we progress further and further into governmental control and containment. It may be a tattoo. It may be a brand. It may be an implanted RFID chip. It may be some some crazy nano-bot injected with a forced vaccine. Or hell, it might be a forced dildo 'cause homosexual equality. Should such a thing ever exist, I wouldn't rule anything out, seeing as how people seem to value their goddamned political identity over all else.

And those people would deserve it.

/I really do find the mark of the beast stuff fascinating, though
 
2014-03-18 05:32:17 AM  

propasaurus: Leviticus 18:22 still counts, though.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if the pastor is chill enough that he'll actually back up an offhand joke about covering people's ink if they want to get the church logo tattooed on 'em, he prooooobably doesn't particularly care if you're gay either.

// The serious answer is that theologically the old testament rules are considered either fulfilled by Christ's coming and no longer binding (there's an explicit passage where ghost-Jesus shows up and basically calls Paul a douche for not eating ham at one point), or considered part of god's contract with the chosen tribe specifically, meaning they only bind you if you're Jewish by blood and affiliation in addition to Christian by faith.  There aren't really any sects that hold the old testament laws binding to most members, honestly Christianity in general didn't even bother to copy 'em over to their version half the time.
 
2014-03-18 05:38:19 AM  

Jim_Callahan: propasaurus: Leviticus 18:22 still counts, though.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if the pastor is chill enough that he'll actually back up an offhand joke about covering people's ink if they want to get the church logo tattooed on 'em, he prooooobably doesn't particularly care if you're gay either.

// The serious answer is that theologically the old testament rules are considered either fulfilled by Christ's coming and no longer binding (there's an explicit passage where ghost-Jesus shows up and basically calls Paul a douche for not eating ham at one point), or considered part of god's contract with the chosen tribe specifically, meaning they only bind you if you're Jewish by blood and affiliation in addition to Christian by faith.  There aren't really any sects that hold the old testament laws binding to most members, honestly Christianity in general didn't even bother to copy 'em over to their version half the time.


So, basically, the NT is the affirmative action testament. Lower standards and such. A more common core of biblical studies.
 
2014-03-18 05:46:48 AM  
Tattoos are an eyesore just like graffiti.

But hey, I guess if you are such a complete loser that you have no power at all, then graffiti is the only way you can make any impact at all on the world during your puny, pathetic existence.

But if you are stupid too, then please, by all means, pollute your skin with some stupid, ugly, skin-stain.
 
2014-03-18 06:04:35 AM  

robohobo: I find the whole idea of the Mark of the Beast terribly interesting.


It's not as interesting as you think: it's just code for knowing Latin. See, the Beast was Emperor Nero, and and if you didn't have the Mark on your hand (the ability to write in Latin) or on your head (the ability to speak Latin), you wouldn't be able to "buy or sell" in the Roman Empire. Simple as that, really.
 
2014-03-18 06:10:53 AM  
Might as well go full retard and get a face or neck tat .
 
2014-03-18 06:18:27 AM  

SquiggsIN: Yet, so many of the people who want to cherry pick old testament verses to justify discrimination continually ignore the parts surrounding said verses.  I wouldn't make the assumption that the pastor is gay-friendly.  Plenty of people cite lev18:22 while ignoring almost everything else in the book without seeing the hypocrisy in doing so.


Eh, stupid individual people do that.

The institutions base hating on gay people mostly on the Pauline epistles, plus a few other comments here and there in the NT.

The only old testament rules that churches actually treat as rules are the first three or four of the ten commandments, ish.  No stealin', no murderin', no idolatry, no covetin'.  Everything else isn't really binding, it's the origin story that doesn't really matter... basically the Christian Silmarillion, some interesting imagery and language here and there but no actual moral lessons.
 
2014-03-18 06:33:27 AM  
Leviticus forbids tats.  It also forbids shaving your face. And homosexuality.  And a whole bunch of other weird shiat.  So it actually MAY be easier, statistically speaking, for a camel/eye of needle.
 
2014-03-18 06:45:06 AM  

Number40: So it actually MAY be easier, statistically speaking, for a camel/eye of needle camel toe a squirtle.

 
2014-03-18 06:49:55 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: untaken_name: Eh, Christians only pretend to believe in the bible. Look at how many Christian churches serve ham on a regular basis. Look at how many churches perform interracial marriages, etc. They just want the moral authority that traditionally came from the bible without the inconvenience of following its rules.

0/10 Too obvious.


Uh, it's not MY book. If you want to pretend that interracial marriage isn't prohibited in the Christian's source of doctrine, that's your problem. I didn't write the thing, and I am not responsible for its contents.
 
2014-03-18 06:52:58 AM  

Number40: It also forbids shaving your face.


Technically, it does not. It forbids shaving designs into your facial hair. You are allowed a full, neatly trimmed beard, a full, non-trimmed beard, or you can be completely clean-shaven. Goatees and such are what is prohibited. "Rounding the corners of your head/beard" is how it's translated into English.
 
2014-03-18 06:55:33 AM  

propasaurus: Leviticus 18:22 still counts, though.


Only if you are a Levite.
 
2014-03-18 06:58:58 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.


Riiiiiight.  That's why the Old Testament is never, EVER read in a Christian mass.  Are you as fat as you are ignorant?
 
2014-03-18 06:59:54 AM  
Is it just me, or was Paul sort of douchy in general? Not just the gay stuff, but I always get the impression that he was just a little more self righteous than necessary. Especially compared to the rest of them. I don't know.
 
2014-03-18 07:04:35 AM  

Number40: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Riiiiiight.  That's why the Old Testament is never, EVER read in a Christian mass.  Are you as fat as you are ignorant?


Christian mass?

You mean Catholic mass, I'm sure.

And I don't really have a good idea what those Mary worshippers do at their rituals.
 
2014-03-18 07:05:40 AM  

Danger Avoid Death:


Classy - I hear she also has braille version made of genital warts.
 
2014-03-18 07:09:54 AM  

robohobo: Mirandized: Revelation 19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

'nuff said.

I find the whole idea of the Mark of the Beast terribly interesting. Especially as we progress further and further into governmental control and containment. It may be a tattoo. It may be a brand. It may be an implanted RFID chip. It may be some some crazy nano-bot injected with a forced vaccine. Or hell, it might be a forced dildo 'cause homosexual equality. Should such a thing ever exist, I wouldn't rule anything out, seeing as how people seem to value their goddamned political identity over all else.

And those people would deserve it.

/I really do find the mark of the beast stuff fascinating, though


I read a few books back in the day, mostly by those chasing The Historical Jesus. Mostly they thought that John of Patmos was writing in code, or sort of in riddles, so those not in the know would not get the meaning of the message. That would exclude any modern take on the mark, such as RFID or credit cards. I agree that is in a way fascinating.

I am also curious if the minister in this case is a fundamentalist or a prosperity evangelist. If he is a fundie I am surprised his flock hasn't called him on Leviticus or Revelation. If he is prosperity gospel, I applaud his attempt to inject tolerance into the mix, but I doubt he will succeed.
 
2014-03-18 07:10:14 AM  
No one pays attention to Leviticus or at least they cherry pick what they want to follow. As for the Ten Commandments in court houses, there are no laws even based on the Ten Commandments. Stealing and murder, that's it and even those are highly negotiable.
 
2014-03-18 07:11:09 AM  

robohobo: The Old Testament is the far superior Testament.

/just saying


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVbTXg8x2EA
 
2014-03-18 07:15:57 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: untaken_name: Eh, Christians only pretend to believe in the bible. Look at how many Christian churches serve ham on a regular basis. Look at how many churches perform interracial marriages, etc. They just want the moral authority that traditionally came from the bible without the inconvenience of following its rules.

0/10 Too obvious.


I don't think that was a troll, I think it was a zing against the hypocrisy of modern churches.
 
2014-03-18 07:29:38 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Number40: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Riiiiiight.  That's why the Old Testament is never, EVER read in a Christian mass.  Are you as fat as you are ignorant?

Christian mass?

You mean Catholic mass, I'm sure.

And I don't really have a good idea what those Mary worshippers do at their rituals.


So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.
 
2014-03-18 07:31:16 AM  

Number40: AverageAmericanGuy: Number40: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Riiiiiight.  That's why the Old Testament is never, EVER read in a Christian mass.  Are you as fat as you are ignorant?

Christian mass?

You mean Catholic mass, I'm sure.

And I don't really have a good idea what those Mary worshippers do at their rituals.

So, what you're saying...is Catholics are the only Christians to celebrate mass?

You should stop now.  You're embarrassing yourself.   Your self awareness is inversely proportional to your weight and stupidity.


Where did I say Catholics are Christians? That's all you, kid.
 
2014-03-18 07:31:44 AM  

Mirandized: robohobo: Mirandized: Revelation 19:20  And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

'nuff said.

I find the whole idea of the Mark of the Beast terribly interesting. Especially as we progress further and further into governmental control and containment. It may be a tattoo. It may be a brand. It may be an implanted RFID chip. It may be some some crazy nano-bot injected with a forced vaccine. Or hell, it might be a forced dildo 'cause homosexual equality. Should such a thing ever exist, I wouldn't rule anything out, seeing as how people seem to value their goddamned political identity over all else.

And those people would deserve it.

/I really do find the mark of the beast stuff fascinating, though

I read a few books back in the day, mostly by those chasing The Historical Jesus. Mostly they thought that John of Patmos was writing in code, or sort of in riddles, so those not in the know would not get the meaning of the message. That would exclude any modern take on the mark, such as RFID or credit cards. I agree that is in a way fascinating.

I am also curious if the minister in this case is a fundamentalist or a prosperity evangelist. If he is a fundie I am surprised his flock hasn't called him on Leviticus or Revelation. If he is prosperity gospel, I applaud his attempt to inject tolerance into the mix, but I doubt he will succeed.


I'm pretty sure when he talks about the mark of the beast on either right hand or forehead, it means taking the "mark" through your actions or your thoughts.

So yeah... symbolic.
 
2014-03-18 07:41:22 AM  

MisterTweak: AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

Some of them seem to obsess about the whole Ten Commandments thing - the Roy Moore thing from a few years back, or the monuments that are popping up like boners at a viagra factory.

My eyes aren't the best, but if I squint a little I might be able to read it... "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; "

Oh. Well, it's possible they all just lost a contact lens somewhere.

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Which is funny, because folks seem to be OK with forgiveness about adultery or stealing or bearing false witness, but the ghey, that seems to be a whole different story. Remember: you can forgive the breaking of God's Commandments, but a law that is on par with eating shellfish, shaving nattily, wearing poly-blend fibers and permanently owning property--which Leviticus was definitely down on--those are just suggestions*...

*Except for gheys. That is totally going to send you straight to Hell, and there's no coming back, O Sodomite...
 
2014-03-18 07:56:10 AM  

Jim_Callahan: SquiggsIN: Yet, so many of the people who want to cherry pick old testament verses to justify discrimination continually ignore the parts surrounding said verses.  I wouldn't make the assumption that the pastor is gay-friendly.  Plenty of people cite lev18:22 while ignoring almost everything else in the book without seeing the hypocrisy in doing so.

Eh, stupid individual people do that.

The institutions base hating on gay people mostly on the Pauline epistles, plus a few other comments here and there in the NT.

The only old testament rules that churches actually treat as rules are the first three or four of the ten commandments, ish.  No stealin', no murderin', no idolatry, no covetin'.  Everything else isn't really binding, it's the origin story that doesn't really matter... basically the Christian Silmarillion, some interesting imagery and language here and there but no actual moral lessons.


Rofl...explain how mult-ton stone monuments of the Ten Commandments AREN'T idolatry.
 
2014-03-18 07:57:03 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.


A tattoo thread? All we need is a tipping and a NY vs Chicago pizza thread for the trifecta.


Bonus for combining them such as "waitress refused tips at NY/Chicago pizza place for having tattoos"
 
2014-03-18 07:57:45 AM  
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We must also obey Commandments 11 through 15. Whatever they were.
 
2014-03-18 08:06:16 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Christians are not bound by the Old Testament. Jesus begs to differ. Matt 5:17-19 They have a New Testament that is communicated to them directly through the Holy Spirit.

But tattoos are gauche.

 
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