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(Toronto Sun)   Moderator of panel featuring creators of Lost tells the audience, "Let's not have questions about [the Malaysian airliner] because they won't be in good taste"   (torontosun.com) divider line 42
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2014-03-17 04:55:23 PM  
It makes me sad that Paul Scheer was basically acting like, just, an MC. Why did he do this? He didn't bring any humor to it.

Also, Walt grew up impressively.
 
2014-03-17 05:26:26 PM  
The fans hated Nicki and Paulo not because we didn't like to have background characters brought to the foreground.  Background characters swapped in and out all along and some got some extra play.  It was that we have these background characters who only have "worth" to us because it just gives us another POV to episodes we had already seen.  We don't need to see how some other passengers are reacting to what we've already seen.  We wanted NEW things to watch.
 
2014-03-17 05:30:53 PM  

BizarreMan: The fans hated Nicki and Paulo not because we didn't like to have background characters brought to the foreground.  Background characters swapped in and out all along and some got some extra play.  It was that we have these background characters who only have "worth" to us because it just gives us another POV to episodes we had already seen.  We don't need to see how some other passengers are reacting to what we've already seen.  We wanted NEW things to watch.


Random fact of the day - in real life Nicki is married to Matt Saracen from FNL.
 
2014-03-17 05:31:28 PM  

BizarreMan: The fans hated Nicki and Paulo not because we didn't like to have background characters brought to the foreground.

Who the fark are Nicki and Paulo?
 
2014-03-17 05:38:03 PM  

exick: BizarreMan: The fans hated Nicki and Paulo not because we didn't like to have background characters brought to the foreground.
Who the fark are Nicki and Paulo?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_and_paulo
 
2014-03-17 05:47:43 PM  

BizarreMan: exick: BizarreMan: The fans hated Nicki and Paulo not because we didn't like to have background characters brought to the foreground.
Who the fark are Nicki and Paulo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_and_paulo

I honestly have no memory of these people. I don't remember them being introduced, I don't remember them doing anything, and I certainly don't remember them being killed off. I went and read the entries for them at the Lost wikia site and not a single sentence about their backstory is familiar.
 
2014-03-17 05:51:09 PM  

exick: BizarreMan: exick: BizarreMan: The fans hated Nicki and Paulo not because we didn't like to have background characters brought to the foreground.
Who the fark are Nicki and Paulo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_and_paulo
I honestly have no memory of these people. I don't remember them being introduced, I don't remember them doing anything, and I certainly don't remember them being killed off. I went and read the entries for them at the Lost wikia site and not a single sentence about their backstory is familiar.


Consider yourself fortunate then.
 
2014-03-17 06:25:33 PM  
What if they ask ginger or Maryann?
 
2014-03-17 06:27:34 PM  
How about "Why did you take a wonderful first few episodes and fark the rest of it up and lie to your audience while farking it up?"
 
2014-03-17 06:34:17 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: How about "Why did you take a wonderful first few episodes and fark the rest of it up and lie to your audience while farking it up?"


Man, people get really angry at Lost.
 
2014-03-17 06:53:20 PM  

DamnYankees: TheShavingofOccam123: How about "Why did you take a wonderful first few episodes and fark the rest of it up and lie to your audience while farking it up?"

Man, people get really angry at Lost.


People generally get angry at being strung along. It forced an entire generation to grow up and (hopefully) be more selective about their TV, though. I can't even count the number of TV shows I've stopped watching halfway through a season (or even an episode) if it wasn't cutting it. Not wasting time like that again.

All I remember is that Nikki was hot and I kept Googling for a nude scene.
 
2014-03-17 07:07:20 PM  

exick: BizarreMan: The fans hated Nicki and Paulo not because we didn't like to have background characters brought to the foreground.
Who the fark are Nicki and Paulo?


Their flashback episode was actually a LOT better than most of the episodes of the final season in retrospect.
 
2014-03-17 07:07:54 PM  

BizarreMan: The fans hated Nicki and Paulo not because we didn't like to have background characters brought to the foreground.  Background characters swapped in and out all along and some got some extra play.  It was that we have these background characters who only have "worth" to us because it just gives us another POV to episodes we had already seen.  We don't need to see how some other passengers are reacting to what we've already seen.  We wanted NEW things to watch.


yep.by the time they were introduced the show had a large enough character universe to run a tight story line for all 6 or 7 seasons, answer most everyone's questions. Nikki and Paolo were the first indications that they were instead going to cycle in "redshirts" and delay any significant revelations about the central mystery as long as possible
 
2014-03-17 07:34:00 PM  
DamnYankees [TotalFark]
2014-03-17 06:34:17 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: How about "Why did you take a wonderful first few episodes and fark the rest of it up and lie to your audience while farking it up?"

Man, people get really angry at Lost.

Man, people still white knighting lazy/incompetent writers.
 
2014-03-17 07:48:06 PM  

Fonaibung: People generally get angry at being strung along. It forced an entire generation to grow up and (hopefully) be more selective about their TV, though. I can't even count the number of TV shows I've stopped watching halfway through a season (or even an episode) if it wasn't cutting it. Not wasting time like that again.


Ya! All those reality TV shows sure do make Lost look like a sack of shiat.
 
2014-03-17 08:00:16 PM  

kroonermanblack: Fonaibung: People generally get angry at being strung along. It forced an entire generation to grow up and (hopefully) be more selective about their TV, though. I can't even count the number of TV shows I've stopped watching halfway through a season (or even an episode) if it wasn't cutting it. Not wasting time like that again.

Ya! All those reality TV shows sure do make Lost look like a sack of shiat.


Translation: shut up and enjoy your crummily written series that started out interesting because we could just air ow my balls and what are you going to do, read a book, go outside? HA.
 
2014-03-17 08:20:59 PM  

kroonermanblack: Fonaibung: People generally get angry at being strung along. It forced an entire generation to grow up and (hopefully) be more selective about their TV, though. I can't even count the number of TV shows I've stopped watching halfway through a season (or even an episode) if it wasn't cutting it. Not wasting time like that again.

Ya! All those reality TV shows sure do make Lost look like a sack of shiat.

 What kind of world do you live in where your only choices are reality TV and Lost?
 
2014-03-17 08:22:11 PM  
Those dwops are still milking the Lost gravy train?
 
2014-03-17 09:21:47 PM  
When I do a rewatch - I always skip "Expose"  (and Stranger in a Strange Land)  Nikki and Paolo MAYBE had 5 lines between them in the previous two full seasons...and it was all WTF?  Waste an hour on them to see them get fake murdered/accidentally murdered?

Two completely useless characters disposed of for no other reason than...maybe other writers were on vacation?  There is seriously no reason for that episode to exist:  It disposes of characters that really weren't fully fleshed out in the first place - there was no outside story arch progressed within it...it was seriously like the episode of the Brady Bunch where they focused on the neighbors adopting three multi-cultural boys and no Brady's were really ever present in the entire episode:  It had NO relevance to anything being forwarded in the series and was a giant WTF?
 
2014-03-17 09:22:04 PM  
Was there a also a plea for fans to wash and wear deodorant?
 
2014-03-17 09:26:12 PM  
I have to wonder what LOST would have been like had it come out in the 80's or even the 90's. I can't help but think LOST's fate is tied to the advent of Web 2.0 and rise of social media.
 
2014-03-17 10:18:04 PM  
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2014-03-17 10:19:38 PM  

exick: I honestly have no memory of these people. I don't remember them being introduced, I don't remember them doing anything, and I certainly don't remember them being killed off. I went and read the entries for them at the Lost wikia site and not a single sentence about their backstory is familiar.


Same here, and I was an unabashed fan.
 
2014-03-17 10:31:08 PM  
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2014-03-17 10:45:29 PM  

DamnYankees: BizarreMan: The fans hated Nicki and Paulo not because we didn't like to have background characters brought to the foreground.  Background characters swapped in and out all along and some got some extra play.  It was that we have these background characters who only have "worth" to us because it just gives us another POV to episodes we had already seen.  We don't need to see how some other passengers are reacting to what we've already seen.  We wanted NEW things to watch.

Random fact of the day - in real life Nicki is married to Matt Saracen from FNL.




Fox News Live?
 
2014-03-17 10:50:14 PM  
 
2014-03-17 11:02:26 PM  

Fonaibung: kroonermanblack: Fonaibung: People generally get angry at being strung along. It forced an entire generation to grow up and (hopefully) be more selective about their TV, though. I can't even count the number of TV shows I've stopped watching halfway through a season (or even an episode) if it wasn't cutting it. Not wasting time like that again.

Ya! All those reality TV shows sure do make Lost look like a sack of shiat.
 What kind of world do you live in where your only choices are reality TV and Lost?


When the entire point of your post was 'MERICA SURE DID LEARN FROM THAT', I pointed out that TV quality has, measurably, gone downhill since then.  There are good shows on, but that's always been true, and the ratio of signal to noise is lower than ever.

And if people weren't watching, these shows wouldn't be making money hand over fist, which means your point is demonstrably wrong.  Especially since most people bug out of shows well before they really get a chance to stabilize and get 'good' half the time.

Mostly I was just being snarky. I don't actually watch TV a lot, since I'm too cheap to pay 100$ a month for cable and my over the air options are zero without buying an expensive antenna. So I just grab whatever seems interesting on netflix, which means I often get the benefit of an entire season at-will, or of reviews/ratings/etc.
 
2014-03-17 11:09:50 PM  

BeatrixK: When I do a rewatch - I always skip "Expose"  (and Stranger in a Strange Land)  Nikki and Paolo MAYBE had 5 lines between them in the previous two full seasons...and it was all WTF?  Waste an hour on them to see them get fake murdered/accidentally murdered?

Two completely useless characters disposed of for no other reason than...maybe other writers were on vacation?  There is seriously no reason for that episode to exist:  It disposes of characters that really weren't fully fleshed out in the first place - there was no outside story arch progressed within it...it was seriously like the episode of the Brady Bunch where they focused on the neighbors adopting three multi-cultural boys and no Brady's were really ever present in the entire episode:  It had NO relevance to anything being forwarded in the series and was a giant WTF?


They weren't even cast until just before they showed up.  I think they were in the background in one episode, slightly more foreground the next one, and then dead in Expose.  It might've only been two episodes.   I cheered for their being buried alive, though, it was a pretty badass resolution to that plotline.

Sure, I'm pissed as anyone that some of the things never panned out, but I still loved the series.
 
2014-03-18 12:49:41 AM  

OnlyM3: DamnYankees [TotalFark]
2014-03-17 06:34:17 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: How about "Why did you take a wonderful first few episodes and fark the rest of it up and lie to your audience while farking it up?"

Man, people get really angry at Lost.
Man, people still white knighting lazy/incompetent writers.


Pointing out that you're upset over a TV show years later is white knighting the writers? Lol.

/umad
 
2014-03-18 01:07:14 AM  
Did anyone figure out what the Dharma project was trying to do?
 
2014-03-18 02:12:25 AM  

Strongbeerrules: Did anyone figure out what the Dharma project was trying to do?


If I had to wager a guess, I would say Dharma's goal was to distract the American public by getting them to endlessly argue the plot details of a poorly written TV show, while a sister branch of the Illumnati carried out their greater goal.
 
2014-03-18 03:25:59 AM  

Bane of Broone: OnlyM3: DamnYankees [TotalFark]
2014-03-17 06:34:17 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: How about "Why did you take a wonderful first few episodes and fark the rest of it up and lie to your audience while farking it up?"

Man, people get really angry at Lost.
Man, people still white knighting lazy/incompetent writers.

Pointing out that you're upset over a TV show years later is white knighting the writers? Lol.

/umad


Pointing out the person that pointed out that the person with the person and the white knighting and the Flavin!
 
2014-03-18 06:11:36 AM  

Strongbeerrules: Did anyone figure out what the Dharma project was trying to do?


Well, if anyone does, maybe they should tell the writers since they obviously don't know either.
 
2014-03-18 06:29:50 AM  

bittermang: Strongbeerrules: Did anyone figure out what the Dharma project was trying to do?

If I had to wager a guess, I would say Dharma's goal was to distract the American public by getting them to endlessly argue the plot details of a poorly written TV show, while a sister branch of the Illumnati carried out their greater goal.


That's the typical opinion of people with an IQ under 80.
 
2014-03-18 06:33:47 AM  

Thunderboy: exick: I honestly have no memory of these people. I don't remember them being introduced, I don't remember them doing anything, and I certainly don't remember them being killed off. I went and read the entries for them at the Lost wikia site and not a single sentence about their backstory is familiar.

Same here, and I was an unabashed fan.


If you don't remember "Expose" then you couldn't have been that big of a fan; it was an interesting episode. We got to see Leslie Arzt again, and it turned out that Nicki and Paulo were the first two to discover the Pearl Station. Oh, and Billy Dee farking Williams was in the beginning of the episode.
 
2014-03-18 08:18:30 AM  

TerminalEchoes: Thunderboy: exick: I honestly have no memory of these people. I don't remember them being introduced, I don't remember them doing anything, and I certainly don't remember them being killed off. I went and read the entries for them at the Lost wikia site and not a single sentence about their backstory is familiar.

Same here, and I was an unabashed fan.

If you don't remember "Expose" then you couldn't have been that big of a fan; it was an interesting episode. We got to see Leslie Arzt again, and it turned out that Nicki and Paulo were the first two to discover the Pearl Station. Oh, and Billy Dee farking Williams was in the beginning of the episode.


I still get a little skeeved thinking about the very end when they're burying Nikki and Paulo and Nikki opens her eyes just as Sawyer dumps dirt on her face.

People griping about how Expose and Stranger in a Strange Land didn't advance the plot are missing a huge point*: the plot wasn't advancing because ABC wouldn't give the writers an end date, so they had to drag the story out. They finally got ABC to give them an end date right around SIASL and you can tell because the pacing picks up big time.

*actually, from halfway from season 2 o midway through season 3, the plot really didn't advance at all
 
2014-03-18 09:20:24 AM  

Nezu Chiza: Strongbeerrules: Did anyone figure out what the Dharma project was trying to do?

Well, if anyone does, maybe they should tell the writers since they obviously don't know either.


I was reading another article about Lost recently where they quoted one of the produces saying that they didn't have a plan going into the show...the writers basically went season to season going "well, let's try this now".
 
2014-03-18 09:58:24 AM  

DamnYankees: TheShavingofOccam123: How about "Why did you take a wonderful first few episodes and fark the rest of it up and lie to your audience while farking it up?"

Man, people get really angry at Lost.


Yeah, lot's of people realized after the show finished that as fans they weren't as smart as they thought they were.  The fans thoughts they were watching a show about a huge mystery etc. etc.  What they were watching was a show with FANTASTIC characters that was being driven by those characters.  NOT a plot driven show, a character driven show.  This realization made them feel dumb, so they have to go into a rage any time the show is brought up in public...
 
2014-03-18 10:52:55 AM  

TerminalEchoes: If you don't remember "Expose" then you couldn't have been that big of a fan; it was an interesting episode. We got to see Leslie Arzt again, and it turned out that Nicki and Paulo were the first two to discover the Pearl Station. Oh, and Billy Dee farking Williams was in the beginning of the episode.


I said I was an unabashed fan, not a good fan. I binge-watched the first three seasons, so I'm sure I missed some other things as well.
 
2014-03-18 06:10:15 PM  

Tarl3k: Yeah, lot's of people realized after the show finished that as fans they weren't as smart as they thought they were.  The fans thoughts they were watching a show about a huge mystery etc. etc.  What they were watching was a show with FANTASTIC characters that was being driven by those characters.  NOT a plot driven show, a character driven show.  This realization made them feel dumb, so they have to go into a rage any time the show is brought up in public...


Yeah.  The fun part was going online and goofing around with your forum buddies the next day, spotting trivia and finding out about paranormal stuff like the Vela Incident.  But then the show got all touchy feely and actively abandoned a bunch of plot that was built up as important.

Basically, you had to trust that there was a game plan, and then it turned out that there wasn't.  Enjoyed the ride, but there's no point in rewatching.

I now hate when shows wrap up five years of episodes in a 90-minute finale.
 
2014-03-18 06:16:02 PM  

Gleeman: Nezu Chiza: Strongbeerrules: Did anyone figure out what the Dharma project was trying to do?

Well, if anyone does, maybe they should tell the writers since they obviously don't know either.

I was reading another article about Lost recently where they quoted one of the produces saying that they didn't have a plan going into the show...the writers basically went season to season going "well, let's try this now".


Yeah, they also had a series bible they gave to the network they completely ignored and swore that the series would be episodic, with viewers able to start watching at any point and be able to understand what was going on. And they said the survivors weren't dead, but it's pretty clear they were even if the writers are at least now claiming they weren't dead THE WHOLE TIME rather than the initial "They were never dead!"

*sigh*
 
2014-03-18 09:23:11 PM  

John Dewey: I have to wonder what LOST would have been like had it come out in the 80's or even the 90's. I can't help but think LOST's fate is tied to the advent of Web 2.0 and rise of social media.


I think you may have something there.  I've always thought that the creators of the show were holding "the island is purgatory" as their bombshell ending to the audience.  And it would have been an awesome ending, if the tv audience wasn't already equipped with a hive mind twist ending detector.

As it turned out, just about everyone on every Lost fansite immediately guessed they were all dead and in a kind of purgatory.

So if you are the show's creators what do you do at that point? Deny it and steer the show in whatever random directions you can think of until it's time to end it.  Then you end it with the purgatory bombshell you planned all along, only it's not even a firecracker now.

That is why it all played out the haphazard, unsatisfying way it did.
 
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