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(Guardian)   We don't know who is getting sanctioned over Crimea or for how much, but we can all agree that it's Obama's fault, no matter what   (theguardian.com) divider line 16
    More: Obvious, Crimean, punishments, High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, Dmitry Rogozin, Russian oligarchs, unanimity, Russians, persona non grata  
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2014-03-17 04:42:56 PM
3 votes:
Wealthy corrupt Russian oligarchs own property all over Europe and New York and stash their money there and travel there.

Take away their dirty money and their ability to travel.
2014-03-18 12:27:01 AM
1 votes:

Harry_Seldon: Dinki: This is all for show. Why? Because pretty much everyone that is honest knows one thing- that Crimea has much stronger ties to Russia than to Ukraine, and has had since they were annexed by Russia in 1783. So it only makes sense for Russia to absorb them now.

There are international norms that allow that process to happen. You don't just send in your storm trooper thugs to take over land anymore.


Umm, yeah the civilized way is Iran '53 do you want me to go on with the coups and revolutions the USA back since 1945?
2014-03-17 09:15:27 PM
1 votes:
You guys got him good, he's going to change his mind any minute now I can tell. Maybe a half dozen more "no u kno nothingz" posts and you'll have really taught him a lesson.
2014-03-17 09:12:52 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: Oh look... you lost.


This is exactly what someone who has "won" does not feel the need to say.
2014-03-17 09:04:26 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: CPennypacker: Please point to a post you have made that shows any knowledge not gained from a half read Wikipedia entry? You're full of shiat.

OH look another Rhodes scholar, showing us through their brilliant ripostes how much more they know about Crimea than all us unwashed rubes. Here's a hint, Ukrainian boy- I'm betting I'm as informed about the history of the region as you or your buddy Nabb1 there.


Yes you've made that quite evident by your "give it to Russia cuz a bunch of Russians live there" stance. Very learned. Tell you what. Tell me what country you're family is from so we can talk about chopping it up and handing out the pieces to greedy world powers. I'll be sure to read a bunch of stuff about the place on Wikipedia first so I can feel a little more smug when I talk down to you as if I know something.

Ass.
2014-03-17 08:57:12 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: Nabb1: Your understanding of the history of that region is appallingly thin and judging by your responses so far, I am not inclined to educate you since you seem to have picked up bits and pieces of information from political blogs over the past two weeks.

Oh, I didn't know we had a Russian and Ukrainian scholar here! I bow to your evidently superior knowledge, as exhibited in your posts so far in this thread.. let me see, which ones were they?


Please point to a post you have made that shows any knowledge not gained from a half read Wikipedia entry? You're full of shiat.
2014-03-17 08:55:44 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: dave2198: Do you know why the majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russians?

And? The Tartar purge was reprehensible, but Stalin did lots of reprehensible acts. The simple fact is that now the majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russian.


Ok, as long as you're fine with Russians benefiting from an ethnic cleansing of their own creation.
2014-03-17 08:55:36 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: dave2198: Do you know why the majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russians?

And? The Tartar purge was reprehensible, but Stalin did lots of reprehensible acts. The simple fact is that now the majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russian.


Good thing they ethnically cleansed the place, then.
2014-03-17 08:45:48 PM
1 votes:

CPennypacker: Dinki: CPennypacker: Crimea is part of Ukraine now. I'm sorry if you're having trouble understanding that.

Actually, it pretty much appears that it isn't. You might want to get used to that.

Maybe we should give back all the land we got from Mexico in the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo? After all, it was theirs until 1848. That means they can claim it back whenever they want right? Or is it only if a bunch of Mexicans move there and then vote to give the land back?


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2014-03-17 08:42:53 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: CPennypacker: Crimea is part of Ukraine now. I'm sorry if you're having trouble understanding that.

Actually, it pretty much appears that it isn't. You might want to get used to that.


Maybe we should give back all the land we got from Mexico in the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo? After all, it was theirs until 1848. That means they can claim it back whenever they want right? Or is it only if a bunch of Mexicans move there and then vote to give the land back?
2014-03-17 08:42:05 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: CPennypacker: How does me thinking Russia can go fark itself have anything to do with Obama? I'm Ukrainian asshole.

So you know the history of Crimea and Ukraine, right? And you know that Crimea wasn't a part of Ukraine until 1954 when it was given to Ukraine by... who exactly? Oh yeah, the Russians. And you know that the majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russians, right? So your outrage about about Russia reclaiming their territory, while understandable, is impotent.


Do you know why the majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russians?
2014-03-17 08:25:33 PM
1 votes:
HOW CAN the USA or anybody accept the overthrowing of the Ukraine government as "OK", but have a big problem with the Crimean nonsense?

Even better, how can the USA biatch about illegally occupying a foreign country?
Bush took care of America's reputation long ago.
2014-03-17 08:21:39 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: Wooly Bully: ou: It makes sense for Russia to absorb Crimea
Someone else: No it doesn't
You: You're a warmonger

You should look up the term "false dichotomy" some time.

Ok, so what do all you people that are saying Obama isn't doing enough propose? Difficulty- your proposal can't be something that will lead to a new hot or cold war.


How does me thinking Russia can go fark itself have anything to do with Obama? I'm Ukrainian asshole.
2014-03-17 08:18:19 PM
1 votes:

Wooly Bully: ou: It makes sense for Russia to absorb Crimea
Someone else: No it doesn't
You: You're a warmonger

You should look up the term "false dichotomy" some time.


Ok, so what do all you people that are saying Obama isn't doing enough propose? Difficulty- your proposal can't be something that will lead to a new hot or cold war.
2014-03-17 07:07:22 PM
1 votes:
Putin doesn't care about sanctions.  He probably welcomes them, because each step we take toward a new cold war helps solidify his power and gives him a new excuse to crack down on political opposition.  He lives and breathes for this stuff.  He's going to take Crimea, there's nothing anybody will do to stop him, and everyone on every side knows it.  All this sanctions stuff is for hometown consumption.
2014-03-17 06:07:21 PM
1 votes:
Well of course, everything is Obama's fault.  He's MAKING Putin invade Crimea.  Putin didn't want to, Obama forced him to do it.  It is ALL Obama's fault.
 
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