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(Guardian)   We don't know who is getting sanctioned over Crimea or for how much, but we can all agree that it's Obama's fault, no matter what   (theguardian.com ) divider line
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2014-03-18 02:19:53 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: / If you can't recognize Russia as a paranoid beaten child that happens to have the US and EU wanting to take the Ukraine, etc.. well you'5 you're not focus ed on the big picture. historical access to the Crimea maybe Ukraine.Adn the US well .


"Take" the Ukraine? your bias is showing, dear.
 
2014-03-18 02:22:00 AM  

Repo Man: tinfoil-hat maggie: Look all of y'll saying why can't Putin just accept the Ukraine moving into the Western Sphere of Influence well you don't know or understand the Muscovite/Russ mindset.It's said really that a few comments from Churchill and Patton among others could really help keep Russia paranoid and worried about western aggression and well... sure Putin's now Hitler show me where Russia ever attacked before being invaded.... oh I would like to know.

/Difficulty no Soviet things like Afghanistan.I never did understand their strategic goals there except the where feeling isolated from western Europe.

Winter War


I did sorta call no Soviet, thing. but 1 things but sure Finland was just a protested route that the Russ couldn't take mostly at that time due to Nazi help, but sure, yeaej the Finns, kicked some butt in asymmetrical warfare.
 
2014-03-18 02:25:48 AM  

21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie

?????
/What does it mean? Am i not welcome anymore with you crazy stupid people? Well I never was so, heh...

for what it's worth i was enjoying your contribution before you just started fighting


Did someone get their quoting privileges pulled?
 
2014-03-18 02:36:11 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: tinfoil-hat maggie: / If you can't recognize Russia as a paranoid beaten child that happens to have the US and EU wanting to take the Ukraine, etc.. well you'5 you're not focus ed on the big picture. historical access to the Crimea maybe Ukraine.Adn the US well .

"Take" the Ukraine? your bias is showing, dear.

All I know is the Muscovite Russ have already quietly ceded thir western most buffer's...
Some block is going to end up with it "dear".

You sure are playing a game of Geopolitics with you'r feeling as guides to what's right and wrong.
Well...

jag.lcc.gatech.edu

/Hey I'm old school and even the damn '80's worried me with crazy old man Ray gun..
 
2014-03-18 02:37:05 AM  

fusillade762: 21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie

?????
/What does it mean? Am i not welcome anymore with you crazy stupid people? Well I never was so, heh...

for what it's worth i was enjoying your contribution before you just started fighting

Did someone get their quoting privileges pulled?


48 hours without sleep. lizard brain has kicked in. and i'm still old school ;)
 
2014-03-18 02:42:39 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: 21-7-b: it's not just fundamentalist fighting assad, but support for us intervention among the syrian people has been really, really low. i would support an intervention to take out the worst of the regime and the worst of the opposition, but a lot of americans don't and a lot of the international community don't. if you want to blame someone for the failure to intervene in syria following the ghouta attack blame david cameron who didn't whip his mps which took the wind right out of any coalition's sails

That's largely because Russia supports Assad and have been using their propaganda machine to push an anti-intervention stance here in the States.

They're also, unsurprisingly pushing the notion that the US shouldn't get involved in the Ukraine in any way as it's "Not our problem".


Please elaborate on this "propaganda machine." You're saying the Russians are controlling media content here in the US?
 
2014-03-18 02:43:19 AM  
 
Rat
2014-03-18 02:57:10 AM  
Won't anyone think about the price of 7.62?

™ jeez, we just went through this crap with 5.56
 
2014-03-18 02:59:40 AM  
His letter wasn't worded strongly.  Next time though....Watch Out Putin.  We know from his supporters that he personally led Seal Team 6 to OBL and then fired the fatal shot.  Then he pushed the body into the sea.  He knows where you live, Putin.  Be afraid.  Be very afraid.

/Too strong?
 
2014-03-18 03:01:57 AM  

tbeatty: Seal Team 6 to OBL


God you're still so butthurt that Obama claims responsibility for that shiat, aren't you?

You should hit a pillow or something. History is not ever going to paint it the way you're spinning it, Jim.
 
2014-03-18 03:04:10 AM  

whidbey: Dwight_Yeast: 21-7-b: it's not just fundamentalist fighting assad, but support for us intervention among the syrian people has been really, really low. i would support an intervention to take out the worst of the regime and the worst of the opposition, but a lot of americans don't and a lot of the international community don't. if you want to blame someone for the failure to intervene in syria following the ghouta attack blame david cameron who didn't whip his mps which took the wind right out of any coalition's sails

That's largely because Russia supports Assad and have been using their propaganda machine to push an anti-intervention stance here in the States.

They're also, unsurprisingly pushing the notion that the US shouldn't get involved in the Ukraine in any way as it's "Not our problem".

whidbey: Dwight_Yeast: 21-7-b: it's not just fundamentalist fighting assad, but support for us intervention among the syrian people has been really, really low. i would support an intervention to take out the worst of the regime and the worst of the opposition, but a lot of americans don't and a lot of the international community don't. if you want to blame someone for the failure to intervene in syria following the ghouta attack blame david cameron who didn't whip his mps which took the wind right out of any coalition's sails

That's largely because Russia supports Assad and have been using their propaganda machine to push an anti-intervention stance here in the States.

They're also, unsurprisingly pushing the notion that the US shouldn't get involved in the Ukraine in any way as it's "Not our problem".

Please elaborate on this "propaganda machine." You're saying the Russians are controlling media content here in the US?

Please elaborate on this "propaganda machine." You're saying the Russians are controlling media content here in the US?


Haven't you heard Russia is diabolical like Obama, etc...etc...
 
2014-03-18 03:05:54 AM  
And something tells me it's close to someone's bed time....
 
2014-03-18 03:10:30 AM  

CanisNoir: Everyone saw the sanctions coming; there were news stories of Russians pulling their money out of the US in anticipation.
Nobody's going to be seriously hurt by this. Barring stronger leadership by the EU I don't see much else Obama can do.


How about he says that the agreement on Syria doesn't hold and he plans to start bombing them in the next few days?
 
2014-03-18 03:18:40 AM  

whidbey: And something tells me it's close to someone's bed time....


I'll admit the stupidity on foreign policy is a pet peeve but I was thinking I was pretty coherent.

/Wut? On this I feel strongly., put up or shut up if that's about me and well. Hey if you'r into another Eropeon war and yes Moscow is part of Europe after all thid wheather Ukraune likes it or not.they like it or not
 
2014-03-18 04:50:59 AM  

Dinki: This is all for show. Why? Because pretty much everyone that is honest knows one thing- that Crimea has much stronger ties to Russia than to Ukraine, and has had since they were annexed by Russia in 1783. So it only makes sense for Russia to absorb them now.


Dinki, you be stinky...
 
2014-03-18 05:19:46 AM  

Raoul Eaton: Putin doesn't care about sanctions.  He probably welcomes them, because each step we take toward a new cold war helps solidify his power and gives him a new excuse to crack down on political opposition.  He lives and breathes for this stuff.  He's going to take Crimea, there's nothing anybody will do to stop him, and everyone on every side knows it.  All this sanctions stuff is for hometown consumption.


And, therefore, a drone needs to draw a bead on him.
 
2014-03-18 05:21:57 AM  

whidbey: tbeatty: Seal Team 6 to OBL

God you're still so butthurt that Obama claims responsibility for that shiat, aren't you?


Actually I laugh that Obama claims responsibility for that.  It's entertaining fiction.
 
2014-03-18 05:49:42 AM  

tbeatty: Actually I laugh that Obama claims responsibility for that.


could you provide a quote where obama claims responsibility for that? cause that would be great.
 
2014-03-18 06:09:06 AM  

log_jammin: tbeatty: Actually I laugh that Obama claims responsibility for that.

could you provide a quote where obama claims responsibility for that? cause that would be great.


Ask Whidby.  He's the one who claims Obama gets credit.  Hey look, it's the same nonsense that blames him for Ukraine!!  Really the only conclusion is that Obama is irrelevant.
 
2014-03-18 06:15:49 AM  

tbeatty: Ask Whidby.  He's the one who claims Obama gets credit.  Hey look, it's the same nonsense that blames him for Ukraine!!  Really the only conclusion is that Obama is irrelevant.


no....you said "Actually I laugh that Obama claims responsibility for that. " That has nothing to do with what Whidbey did, or didn't, say.

so, do you have a quote where Obama claims the responsibility or not? If not, feel free to man up and admit you were completely wrong.
 
2014-03-18 07:04:23 AM  

Agatha Crispy: My course of action: Keep your mouth shut - it has nothing to do with your country. Now I answered your question, you answer mine - why wasn't Putins name among those sanctioned?


1) You are not a world leader, so who gives a fark what you think or would do.
2) You imply that it's nobody's business what happens in Crimea, which instantly proves that your grasp of international politics, economics, or relations is equivalent to the depth of the sweat on the back of a maggot.
 
2014-03-18 07:20:07 AM  

tbeatty: log_jammin: tbeatty: Actually I laugh that Obama claims responsibility for that.

could you provide a quote where obama claims responsibility for that? cause that would be great.

Ask Whidby.  He's the one who claims Obama gets credit.  Hey look, it's the same nonsense that blames him for Ukraine!!  Really the only conclusion is that Obama is irrelevant.


Empty suit!
 
2014-03-18 07:58:56 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Agatha Crispy: My course of action: Keep your mouth shut - it has nothing to do with your country. Now I answered your question, you answer mine - why wasn't Putins name among those sanctioned?

1) You are not a world leader, so who gives a fark what you think or would do.
2) You imply that it's nobody's business what happens in Crimea, which instantly proves that your grasp of international politics, economics, or relations is equivalent to the depth of the sweat on the back of a maggot.


In fairness, I asked him/her what they would do instead of the apparently wrong actions Obama has taken. As to why doing nothing is apparently better than what Obama did, one can only guess.
 
2014-03-18 08:45:22 AM  
My family needs more space, and someone to help mow the lawn.
I'm gonna walk over next door, break in, guard the windows and doors and demand by gunpoint that all persons inside the home sign a document saying they freely and without coercion give me their home, land, and all possessions therein.
If anyone looks funny or doesn't immediately pull their weight, I'll kill them and bury them under the house. I'll be sure to sleep with all the women there.
In 20 years, we'll have two house-fulls of my kids, which means that I now have solid claims to both homes, and a home-grown lawn care business.
But I sure could use more space. Hey, kids? Those houses next door could use some hedge-trimming, couldn't they?
 
2014-03-18 08:51:08 AM  

peter21: AngryDragon: Well, he's been president through the whole thing and for the 5 years prior.  Why wouldn't an ineffective response be his fault?

Clearly, you have the properly weighted response already thought up. Please, enlighten us, theoretical President AngryDragon...


I neither said I had an answer nor did I say he was providing an ineffective response.

I said that if his response is ineffective, who else would you blame exactly?
 
2014-03-18 09:43:43 AM  

fusillade762: We don't know who is getting sanctioned over Crimea

Subby should read his own article.


To be fair, we didn't know till we read the article (and forgot it immidiatly afterwards).
 
2014-03-18 09:52:27 AM  
If you can believe what is being reported, 95% in Crimea chose Russian rule.  Their former Ukrainian bosses were corrupt.  I can't seem to find any farks to give now that they want Putin.
 
2014-03-18 10:46:11 AM  

Mentat: Isitoveryet: Mentat: I don't understand.  If Obama has a magical time machine that he used to crash the economy, why doesn't he use it to go back in time and give child Putin a hug so that he grows up to be good?


oh man, that's time machine etiquette 101:

article 2 section B.

your time machine can not be used for the purposes of good.

But Obama is evil and breaking rules is evil, so I could totally see him using his time machine for good.  Because he's evil.


s11.postimg.org
 
2014-03-18 10:50:20 AM  

CPennypacker: Dinki: CPennypacker: How does me thinking Russia can go fark itself have anything to do with Obama? I'm Ukrainian asshole.

So you know the history of Crimea and Ukraine, right? And you know that Crimea wasn't a part of Ukraine until 1954 when it was given to Ukraine by... who exactly? Oh yeah, the Russians. And you know that the majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russians, right? So your outrage about about Russia reclaiming their territory, while understandable, is impotent.

Crimea is part of Ukraine now. I'm sorry if you're having trouble understanding that.


Let's try a different tack.  I do understand that.  Now what do you want America to do about it?

Now I'm not a foreign policy expert, but I suspect that it wouldn't be in the best interest of Ukrainians living in Crimea or elsewhere for America to get involved in open military conflict with Russia inside of their borders.

Unless you think things turned out peachy for the people of SE Asia, in which case you're a mad man.
 
2014-03-18 10:56:05 AM  

whidbey: Please elaborate on this "propaganda machine." You're saying the Russians are controlling media content here in the US?


All Putin has to do is take his shirt off and Fox News becomes the Bear Wrestling Channel.
 
2014-03-18 11:05:17 AM  

BeesNuts: CPennypacker: Dinki: CPennypacker: How does me thinking Russia can go fark itself have anything to do with Obama? I'm Ukrainian asshole.

So you know the history of Crimea and Ukraine, right? And you know that Crimea wasn't a part of Ukraine until 1954 when it was given to Ukraine by... who exactly? Oh yeah, the Russians. And you know that the majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russians, right? So your outrage about about Russia reclaiming their territory, while understandable, is impotent.

Crimea is part of Ukraine now. I'm sorry if you're having trouble understanding that.

Let's try a different tack.  I do understand that.  Now what do you want America to do about it?

Now I'm not a foreign policy expert, but I suspect that it wouldn't be in the best interest of Ukrainians living in Crimea or elsewhere for America to get involved in open military conflict with Russia inside of their borders.

Unless you think things turned out peachy for the people of SE Asia, in which case you're a mad man.


I don't think we should get involved in open conflict either, but something has to be done. This is EXACTLY how world war 2 started with Austria.
 
2014-03-18 11:47:21 AM  

goatan: tinfoil-hat maggie: Look all of y'll saying why can't Putin just accept the Ukraine moving into the Western Sphere of Influence well you don't know or understand the Muscovite/Russ mindset.It's said really that a few comments from Churchill and Patton among others could really help keep Russia paranoid and worried about western aggression and well... sure Putin's now Hitler show me where Russia ever attacked before being invaded.... oh I would like to know.

/Difficulty no Soviet things like Afghanistan.I never did understand their strategic goals there except the where feeling isolated from western Europe.
Lots and lots of times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War#Russian_expansionism  Last Crimean war started because of Russia trying to annex parts of Turkey. In more modern times http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War  Also the annexation of Poland between Russia and Germany. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_history a hell of a lot of invasions on that list for a nation that never attacked anyone.

/Difficulty level zero


Cool I really just wanted someone to use facts instead of heartfelt emotion.
 
2014-03-18 06:25:39 PM  

Rat: Won't anyone think about the price of 7.62?

™ jeez, we just went through this crap with 5.56


I think the Russians are using 5.45 these days.
 
2014-03-19 01:35:18 AM  

tbeatty: whidbey: tbeatty: Seal Team 6 to OBL

God you're still so butthurt that Obama claims responsibility for that shiat, aren't you?

Actually I laugh that Obama claims responsibility for that.  It's entertaining fiction.


Oh you'll be whining about it when it's firmly placed in the history books. We will get the last laugh.
 
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