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(Guardian)   We don't know who is getting sanctioned over Crimea or for how much, but we can all agree that it's Obama's fault, no matter what   (theguardian.com) divider line 236
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2014-03-17 11:06:54 PM  

AngryDragon: Well, he's been president through the whole thing and for the 5 years prior.  Why wouldn't an ineffective response be his fault?


lolwut
 
2014-03-17 11:12:12 PM  

jjorsett: AngryDragon: Well, he's been president through the whole thing and for the 5 years prior.  Why wouldn't an ineffective response be his fault?

Seems like it ought to be. Whenever something like a less-terrible-than-before jobs report comes along, he certainly gives himself the credit. You fought for this job, so for good or ill when something happens on your watch, it's yours, Mr. President.


So what should Obama have done differently?

Hell, I'm still trying to figure out why we should be freaking out about this when even the EU doesn't seem to give a fark.

And they have a lot more to lose/gain than we do.
 
2014-03-17 11:12:16 PM  

theknuckler_33: Agatha Crispy: qorkfiend: Because that would constitute a significant escalation of the conflict, and there's no reason to do that?

So....why the sanctions? The US government says these sanctions are somehow going to hurt Russia. Isn't that escalation?

Not to speak for qorkfiend, but here's what I said earlier:  If I had to guess, the other dudes will feel some pain, maybe (hopefully) significant monetary pain and not like it one little bit after a while. Those dudes might be less supportive of Putin after a while. That might cause Putin some problems at home. Just a guess.


Targeted sanctions are like drone strikes. It puts a certain focus on one's activities one might not be expecting.
 
2014-03-17 11:18:29 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Look all of y'll saying why can't Putin just accept the Ukraine moving into the Western Sphere of Influence well you don't know or understand the Muscovite/Russ mindset.It's said really that a few comments from Churchill and Patton among others could really help keep Russia paranoid and worried about western aggression and well... sure Putin's now Hitler show me where Russia ever attacked before being invaded.... oh I would like to know.

/Difficulty no Soviet things like Afghanistan.I never did understand their strategic goals there except the where feeling isolated from western Europe.


I just remembered I have an email account to check. :D

/runs off
 
2014-03-17 11:23:45 PM  

21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie: 21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie: 21-7-b: it's not just fundamentalist fighting assad, but support for us intervention among the syrian people has been really, really low. i would support an intervention to take out the worst of the regime and the worst of the opposition, but a lot of americans don't and a lot of the international community don't. if you want to blame someone for the failure to intervene in syria following the ghouta attack blame david cameron who didn't whip his mps which took the wind right out of any coalition's sails

Well, I'd rather keep that to a relevant thread but the US decision was to make Syria into Beirut a 10+ year war along ethnic/religious lines.

/Just sayin'

i don't think so. syria is about power sharing. the assad family has for forty years accumulated more and more power. the time has come for them to share it. they're not sharers though.

So you're against the US American monopoly of power buy the 1%?

check the farkhives


That would take some time can you not give me a simple answer?

/What the hell is up with all these neo-cold warriors? They say everyone that disagree's is a paid shill or something....

I don't Russia but I sure do understand the why of what they have done so far .

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2014-03-17 11:27:13 PM  

whidbey: AngryDragon: Well, he's been president through the whole thing and for the 5 years prior.  Why wouldn't an ineffective response be his fault?

lolwut


I've said it before today US Americans only start paying attention when some country does something we don't like.
 
2014-03-17 11:28:14 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: sure Putin's now Hitler show me where Russia ever attacked before being invaded.... oh I would like to know.


*quietly raises hand*

Erm ... Crimea? Couple of weeks ago?
 
2014-03-17 11:28:59 PM  

Agatha Crispy: theknuckler_33: Agatha Crispy: So Obama called up Putin and asked him if they could impose a few sanctions on a couple of Russian government officials (oh no, not you President Putin) and this will achieve what?

Yea, that's how it went down.

Oh, and what's your suggestion course of action?

Obama said that the sanctions were imposed on those people responsible for what is happening in Ukraine. But the sanctions don't mention Putin. Why?


Probably because the sanctions come with a travel ban which would potentially make in-person negotiations difficult.
 
2014-03-17 11:31:12 PM  

21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie: 21-7-b: it's not just fundamentalist fighting assad, but support for us intervention among the syrian people has been really, really low. i would support an intervention to take out the worst of the regime and the worst of the opposition, but a lot of americans don't and a lot of the international community don't. if you want to blame someone for the failure to intervene in syria following the ghouta attack blame david cameron who didn't whip his mps which took the wind right out of any coalition's sails

Well, I'd rather keep that to a relevant thread but the US decision was to make Syria into Beirut a 10+ year war along ethnic/religious lines.

/Just sayin'

i don't think so. syria is about power sharing. the assad family has for forty years accumulated more and more power. the time has come for them to share it. they're not sharers though.


Well, even though you're thread jacking exlain.

/"People get the government they deserve"
//Just do it take out Assad and see what happens.
 
2014-03-17 11:33:31 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: whidbey: AngryDragon: Well, he's been president through the whole thing and for the 5 years prior.  Why wouldn't an ineffective response be his fault?

lolwut

I've said it before today US Americans only start paying attention when some country does something we don't like.


Yeah but he's not "paying attention" he's got a "both sides" fixation, which really means he hates Obama. I'd bet on it.
 
2014-03-17 11:35:00 PM  

grumpfuff: tinfoil-hat maggie: Look all of y'll saying why can't Putin just accept the Ukraine moving into the Western Sphere of Influence well you don't know or understand the Muscovite/Russ mindset.It's said really that a few comments from Churchill and Patton among others could really help keep Russia paranoid and worried about western aggression and well... sure Putin's now Hitler show me where Russia ever attacked before being invaded.... oh I would like to know.

/Difficulty no Soviet things like Afghanistan.I never did understand their strategic goals there except the where feeling isolated from western Europe.

I just remembered I have an email account to check. :D

/runs off


Hey, you know I'll spank you'r ass at least historically, but this thread does seem too... Hmm ; )
 
2014-03-17 11:37:19 PM  
On the upside, this whole Ukrainian Crimea Russian fiasco sure does make for an awesome espionage thriller. Where is Ian Fleming when you need him?
 
2014-03-17 11:38:14 PM  

Isitoveryet: On the upside, this whole Ukrainian Crimea Russian fiasco sure does make for an awesome espionage thriller. Where is Ian Fleming when you need him?


He OD'd on toot sweets.
 
2014-03-17 11:43:15 PM  

whidbey: tinfoil-hat maggie: whidbey: AngryDragon: Well, he's been president through the whole thing and for the 5 years prior.  Why wouldn't an ineffective response be his fault?

lolwut

I've said it before today US Americans only start paying attention when some country does something we don't like.

Yeah but he's not "paying attention" he's got a "both sides" fixation, which really means he hates Obama. I'd bet on it.


Yeah, I've seen a lot of that through these threads and I'll admit I've read way too many of them but the US would never give up Mexico to China's sphere of influence and China is not dumb enough to include Mexico into the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
 
2014-03-17 11:43:39 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Hell, I'm still trying to figure out why we should be freaking out about this when even the EU doesn't seem to give a fark.


The EU does give a fark, they just don't know what to do about it.  They're so addicted to Russian oil and money that they're afraid of the consequences of pushing back too hard, which limits what we're able to do.
 
2014-03-17 11:46:42 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: 21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie: 21-7-b: it's not just fundamentalist fighting assad, but support for us intervention among the syrian people has been really, really low. i would support an intervention to take out the worst of the regime and the worst of the opposition, but a lot of americans don't and a lot of the international community don't. if you want to blame someone for the failure to intervene in syria following the ghouta attack blame david cameron who didn't whip his mps which took the wind right out of any coalition's sails

Well, I'd rather keep that to a relevant thread but the US decision was to make Syria into Beirut a 10+ year war along ethnic/religious lines.

/Just sayin'

i don't think so. syria is about power sharing. the assad family has for forty years accumulated more and more power. the time has come for them to share it. they're not sharers though.

Well, even though you're thread jacking exlain.

/"People get the government they deserve"
//Just do it take out Assad and see what happens.


i think living under a state of emergency for 40-odd years kinda negates the "government they deserve"

so we're talking about power-sharing. when you talk about a state of emergency you're really saying any constitution has been torn up. when you talk about constitutions you talk about power vesting in the constitution, because it does - the constitution itself sets out stuff and takes power away from your rulers. so the important starting point is a constitution. you build in all the usual stuff and you get things like human rights, democracy, rule of law.

right, as for removing assad, one of the major lessons of iraq was the idea of not to go about disbanding everyone and creating a vacuum. so, i don't see why removing assad means disbanding the saa. so you've basically got the saa as you've got it now. on top of that you've got the moderate opposition who are interested in power sharing. then you've got the kurds who are interested in power sharing. so you've got a much bigger force that can concentrate on fighting the extremists than you've got now. then you've got the international community who all oppose the extremists, too. look at it like that
 
2014-03-17 11:52:22 PM  

Dinki: CPennypacker: How does me thinking Russia can go fark itself have anything to do with Obama? I'm Ukrainian asshole.

So you know the history of Crimea and Ukraine, right? And you know that Crimea wasn't a part of Ukraine until 1954 when it was given to Ukraine by... who exactly? Oh yeah, the Russians. And you know that the majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russians, right? So your outrage about about Russia reclaiming their territory, while understandable, is impotent.


Wow, that's a remarkably stupid statement. By that logic, Kaliningrad should go back to Germany, Transylvania (and parts of Ukraine, Slovakia, Serbia, Croatia and Austria) should go back to Hungary, and Arizona, New Mexico and much of Texas should go back to Mexico.

/ok they can take Arizona
//in the 1950s, Russia did not equal USSR
 
2014-03-17 11:52:31 PM  

whidbey: Isitoveryet: On the upside, this whole Ukrainian Crimea Russian fiasco sure does make for an awesome espionage thriller. Where is Ian Fleming when you need him?

He OD'd on toot sweets.


Oh, watch for new western movies. Russian government made an interesting movie along with Gazprov called The horde about an Orthodox Saint. it's on Netflix if you'r interested.
 
2014-03-17 11:52:45 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Look all of y'll saying why can't Putin just accept the Ukraine moving into the Western Sphere of Influence well you don't know or understand the Muscovite/Russ mindset.It's said really that a few comments from Churchill and Patton among others could really help keep Russia paranoid and worried about western aggression and well... sure Putin's now Hitler show me where Russia ever attacked before being invaded.... oh I would like to know.

/Difficulty no Soviet things like Afghanistan.I never did understand their strategic goals there except the where feeling isolated from western Europe.




Winter War
 
2014-03-17 11:53:01 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: grumpfuff: tinfoil-hat maggie: Look all of y'll saying why can't Putin just accept the Ukraine moving into the Western Sphere of Influence well you don't know or understand the Muscovite/Russ mindset.It's said really that a few comments from Churchill and Patton among others could really help keep Russia paranoid and worried about western aggression and well... sure Putin's now Hitler show me where Russia ever attacked before being invaded.... oh I would like to know.

/Difficulty no Soviet things like Afghanistan.I never did understand their strategic goals there except the where feeling isolated from western Europe.

I just remembered I have an email account to check. :D

/runs off

Hey, you know I'll spank you'r ass at least historically, but this thread does seem too... Hmm ; )


I have been told Fark is not for personal erotica, so therefore I will confine my answer to elsewhere. :D
 
2014-03-17 11:58:17 PM  

whidbey: Isitoveryet: On the upside, this whole Ukrainian Crimea Russian fiasco sure does make for an awesome espionage thriller. Where is Ian Fleming when you need him?

He OD'd on toot sweets.


I was interested, I wiki him... I had no idea about Ian's background. What a life & resume. Classy gentleman. He was a heavy drinker & smoker. I like him even more now.

Holy craps.

But it turns out his son had the drug addiction & the suicide wish.
 
2014-03-18 12:07:47 AM  

21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie: 21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie: 21-7-b: it's not just fundamentalist fighting assad, but support for us intervention among the syrian people has been really, really low. i would support an intervention to take out the worst of the regime and the worst of the opposition, but a lot of americans don't and a lot of the international community don't. if you want to blame someone for the failure to intervene in syria following the ghouta attack blame david cameron who didn't whip his mps which took the wind right out of any coalition's sails

Well, I'd rather keep that to a relevant thread but the US decision was to make Syria into Beirut a 10+ year war along ethnic/religious lines.

/Just sayin'

i don't think so. syria is about power sharing. the assad family has for forty years accumulated more and more power. the time has come for them to share it. they're not sharers though.

Well, even though you're thread jacking explain.

/"People get the government they deserve"
//Just do it take out Assad and see what happens.

i think living under a state of emergency for 40-odd years kinda negates the "government they deserve"

so we're talking about power-sharing. when you talk about a state of emergency you're really saying any constitution has been torn up. when you talk about constitutions you talk about power vesting in the constitution, because it does - the constitution itself sets out stuff and takes power away from your rulers. so the important starting point is a constitution. you build in all the usual stuff and you get things like human rights, democracy, rule of law.

right, as for removing assad, one of the major lessons of iraq was the idea of not to go about disbanding everyone and creating a vacuum. so, i don't see why removing assad means disbanding the saa. so you've basically got the saa as you've got it now. on top of that you've got the moderate opposition who are interested in power sharing. then you've got the kurds who are interested in ...


I hate to say it but you are naive and have as far as I can tell no grasp on history. How old are you BTW? And do you not understand Greater Kurdistan still is under... Turkish, Syrian and Iranian rule and those countries are oppressing their freedom's oh and really is Kurd's only rule in Northern Iraq now due to the US, they are still basically at war with the Turks one of our NATO allies.
 
2014-03-18 12:13:35 AM  
tinfoil-hat maggie

I hate to say it but you are naive and have as far as I can tell no grasp on history. How old are you BTW? And do you not understand Greater Kurdistan still is under... Turkish, Syrian and Iranian rule and those countries are oppressing their freedom's oh and really is Kurd's only rule in Northern Iraq now due to the US, they are still basically at war with the Turks one of our NATO allies.

so, you've basically taken no issue with anything i have said, have gone off on tangents and thrown in a bunch of ad hominem. cool. you've got nothing then
 
2014-03-18 12:15:15 AM  

Repo Man: tinfoil-hat maggie: Look all of y'll saying why can't Putin just accept the Ukraine moving into the Western Sphere of Influence well you don't know or understand the Muscovite/Russ mindset.It's said really that a few comments from Churchill and Patton among others could really help keep Russia paranoid and worried about western aggression and well... sure Putin's now Hitler show me where Russia ever attacked before being invaded.... oh I would like to know.

/Difficulty no Soviet things like Afghanistan.I never did understand their strategic goals there except the where feeling isolated from western Europe.

Winter War

military conflict between the Soviet Union and Finland in 1939-1940. It began with Soviet invasion of Finland on 30 November 1939 (three months after the outbreak of World War II), and ended with the Moscow Peace Treaty on 13 March 1940. The League of Nations deemed the attack illegal and expelled the Soviet Union from the League on 14 December 1939.[26]


Still soviet but well oh and their where earlier fights. There.

Swedish invasion of Russia.. No really they should totes trust the west now.
 
2014-03-18 12:15:17 AM  
tinfoil-hat maggie

I hate to say it but you are naive and have as far as I can tell no grasp on history. How old are you BTW? And do you not understand Greater Kurdistan still is under... Turkish, Syrian and Iranian rule and those countries are oppressing their freedom's oh and really is Kurd's only rule in Northern Iraq now due to the US, they are still basically at war with the Turks one of our NATO allies.

so, you've basically taken no issue with anything i have said, have gone off on tangents and thrown in a bunch of ad hominem. cool. you've got nothing then. there we go, now with your "contribution" in italics
 
2014-03-18 12:22:06 AM  

Dinki: This is all for show. Why? Because pretty much everyone that is honest knows one thing- that Crimea has much stronger ties to Russia than to Ukraine, and has had since they were annexed by Russia in 1783. So it only makes sense for Russia to absorb them now.


There are international norms that allow that process to happen. You don't just send in your storm trooper thugs to take over land anymore.
 
2014-03-18 12:22:33 AM  

21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie

I hate to say it but you are naive and have as far as I can tell no grasp on history. How old are you BTW? And do you not understand Greater Kurdistan still is under... Turkish, Syrian and Iranian rule and those countries are oppressing their freedom's oh and really is Kurd's only rule in Northern Iraq now due to the US, they are still basically at war with the Turks one of our NATO allies.

so, you've basically taken no issue with anything i have said, have gone off on tangents and thrown in a bunch of ad hominem. cool. you've got nothing then. there we go, now with your "contribution" in italics


Did you have an opinion on what should be done on this? If so sorry I forgot ,I'm sure it was stellar policy making.
 
2014-03-18 12:25:13 AM  
tinfoil-hat maggie

Did you have an opinion on what should be done on this? If so sorry I forgot ,I'm sure it was stellar policy making.

don't show yourself up any more, please
 
2014-03-18 12:27:01 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Dinki: This is all for show. Why? Because pretty much everyone that is honest knows one thing- that Crimea has much stronger ties to Russia than to Ukraine, and has had since they were annexed by Russia in 1783. So it only makes sense for Russia to absorb them now.

There are international norms that allow that process to happen. You don't just send in your storm trooper thugs to take over land anymore.


Umm, yeah the civilized way is Iran '53 do you want me to go on with the coups and revolutions the USA back since 1945?
 
2014-03-18 12:29:42 AM  

21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie

Did you have an opinion on what should be done on this? If so sorry I forgot ,I'm sure it was stellar policy making.

don't show yourself up any more, please


?????
/What does it mean? Am i not welcome anymore with you crazy stupid people? Well I never was so, heh...
 
2014-03-18 12:35:30 AM  
tinfoil-hat maggie

?????
/What does it mean? Am i not welcome anymore with you crazy stupid people? Well I never was so, heh...


for what it's worth i was enjoying your contribution before you just started fighting
 
2014-03-18 12:43:06 AM  

21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie

Did you have an opinion on what should be done on this? If so sorry I forgot ,I'm sure it was stellar policy making.

don't show yourself up any more, please


Heh, hell since people in this threads are accusing each other of getting paid, how much do you get paid for that lame ass response. Next time please bring some facts to the table.
 
2014-03-18 12:52:43 AM  
what facts would you like, maggie?
 
2014-03-18 12:52:59 AM  

AngryDragon: Well, he's been president through the whole thing and for the 5 years prior.  Why wouldn't an ineffective response be his fault?


Because if you have been paying even the least possible bit of attention, you'd know by now that anything Obama does will be "wrong". And we're not talking 'can't please everyone' wrong, but wring in the eyes of the EXACT same people who consider this 'ineffective'.

They'd complain if we sent the military, they'd complain if we formed a coalition, they'd complain if he personally assassinated Purina, they'd complain if he sent Purina flowers and a "good luck with your invasion" card, they'd complain if he ignored it, they'd complain if he responded.

In short, no matter what happens, it's wrong, and it's "his" fault. Only people who don't have an Internet connection below the rock they live under know this. Jesus, they were biatching because he bought his daughters pink sweaters this week. Just two weeks ago, he was "acting like a dictator", now he's' soft and ineffective '.

He can't use the restroom in the WH without the Right accusing him of "disrespecting the noble institution". And don't get them started on his eating of crackers like he owns the place.
 
2014-03-18 01:00:18 AM  
i've got to hand walter - committing to peace the successful settlement of civil wars, cunningham - barriers to peace in civil war, monica duffy toft - securing the peace the durable settlement of civil wars, doyle and sabanis - making war and building peace, stedman rothchild and cousins - ending civil wars the implementation of peace agreements, yanacopulos and hanlon - civil war civil peace, walter and snyder - civil wars insecurity and intervention, hartzell and hoddie - crafting peace power sharing institutions and the negotiated settlement of civil wars, hartzell and hod die - strengthening peace in post-civil war states transforming spoilers into stakeholders, ramsbotham woodhouse and miall - contemporary conflict resolution

where would you like to start maggie?
 
2014-03-18 01:00:48 AM  

21-7-b: tinfoil-hat maggie

?????
/What does it mean? Am i not welcome anymore with you crazy stupid people? Well I never was so, heh...

for what it's worth i was enjoying your contribution before you just started fighting


I don't see this as a fight. Maybe you do and what your really saying is you ,re okay until I voice my opposition to the EU, and US adding Ukraine to their sphere of influence if not NATO. Granted I already believe the nest great war will be triggered by NATO expansionism into Eastern Europe. The Muscovite's always believed the west was after their stuff and really have proof. Sure they let Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania without a fight to NATO but now well...
 
2014-03-18 01:04:28 AM  

21-7-b: what facts would you like, maggie?


Real, ones ? Hell for shiat's and giggles lets start 100 years prior to the Muscovite occupation of Crimea. that might be an interesting discussion for the class : )
 
2014-03-18 01:08:19 AM  
you wanted to talk about syria. you dismissed my suggestions with ad hominem, told me i was naive and asked how old i was.  do you recall that? so where shall we start?
 
2014-03-18 01:15:32 AM  
History will show that President Obama, was in fact the greatest leader the United States, and the world, for that matter, ever had.
 
2014-03-18 01:24:14 AM  

21-7-b: i've got to hand walter - committing to peace the successful settlement of civil wars, cunningham - barriers to peace in civil war, monica duffy toft - securing the peace the durable settlement of civil wars, doyle and sabanis - making war and building peace, stedman rothchild and cousins - ending civil wars the implementation of peace agreements, yanacopulos and hanlon - civil war civil peace, walter and snyder - civil wars insecurity and intervention, hartzell and hoddie - crafting peace power sharing institutions and the negotiated settlement of civil wars, hartzell and hod die - strengthening peace in post-civil war states transforming spoilers into stakeholders, ramsbotham woodhouse and miall - contemporary conflict resolution

where would you like to start maggie?


Oh and sorry without a reference well, you lost me on those, sorry it happen's to be late. Also do you really want me to start quoting Cluaswitcth or or other Germans? of the time?

/ If you can't recognize Russia as a paranoid beaten child that happens to have the US and EU wanting to take the Ukraine, etc.. well you'5 you're not focus ed on the big picture. historical access to the Crimea maybe Ukraine.Adn the US well .

...But Putin is Hitler. I heard that back about Saddam in '89 or so after he had fought a 10 year war against (our enemy)Iran for us with the US providing chemical munitions.
 
2014-03-18 01:28:04 AM  
Cluaswitcth lol get out of town

so you don't want to talk about the current literature on ending civil wars then?

wrong kind of "facts"?
 
2014-03-18 01:28:22 AM  

21-7-b: you wanted to talk about syria. you dismissed my suggestions with ad hominem, told me i was naive and asked how old i was.  do you recall that? so where shall we start?


Are you still talking to me?

Explain the opening war bit in Alas Babylon.

/That should be fun.
You wanna prove how well read yo are?
 
2014-03-18 01:29:25 AM  
thecontributor.com

This has gone beyond stupid. You gave the reds capitalism and NOW you're mad?! LOL no wait...
 
2014-03-18 01:32:35 AM  
maggie - have a drink on me :) check out some of those books if you get time. get back to me when you have
 
2014-03-18 01:39:30 AM  
...triggered by NATO expansionism into Eastern Europe.

images.sodahead.com

But that's the exact opposite of what's happening.
I can assure you them Russians love the Beatles.
THAT'S ALL THEY CARE TO PLAY!
 
2014-03-18 01:40:12 AM  

21-7-b: maggie - have a drink on me :) check out some of those books if you get time. get back to me when you have


Which books? I didn't see any links from you.

You however might wanna start here.
ecx.images-amazon.com sure if you wanna go earlier feel free to offer real citations.
 
2014-03-18 01:44:02 AM  
try this post 2014-03-18 01:00:18 AM maggie. i'm going to say goodnight now. feel free to get back to me when you know what you are talking about rather than pretending to have some authority you clearly don't possess
 
2014-03-18 01:56:00 AM  

Propain_az: History will show that President Obama, was in fact the greatest leader the United States, and the world, for that matter, ever had.


nah.

But he's easily the best president we've had in my life time. hands down.
 
2014-03-18 02:09:35 AM  

log_jammin: Propain_az: History will show that President Obama, was in fact the greatest leader the United States, and the world, for that matter, ever had.

nah.

But he's easily the best president we've had in my life time. hands down.


Yep. If anything to see just how screwed up social conservatives can be. It's 10 times the derp of the Clinton years.
 
2014-03-18 02:15:31 AM  

21-7-b: it's not just fundamentalist fighting assad, but support for us intervention among the syrian people has been really, really low. i would support an intervention to take out the worst of the regime and the worst of the opposition, but a lot of americans don't and a lot of the international community don't. if you want to blame someone for the failure to intervene in syria following the ghouta attack blame david cameron who didn't whip his mps which took the wind right out of any coalition's sails


That's largely because Russia supports Assad and have been using their propaganda machine to push an anti-intervention stance here in the States.

They're also, unsurprisingly pushing the notion that the US shouldn't get involved in the Ukraine in any way as it's "Not our problem".
 
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