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(Salon)   Rupert Murdoch urges boycott of Guinness for pulling out of the NYC St. Patrick's Day Parade due to ban on gays and lesbians   (salon.com ) divider line
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2014-03-17 04:48:35 PM  
10 votes:

papatex: If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...


Calling you on your bullshiat here.

I don't care if you think being gay makes sense or not. But when you attempt to legislate your religion, I care. I care a great deal.
I don't care if someone says there's a god, or even if according to that god, I'm going to some eternal torment. Deliver your message, and move on. But when you continue to harass and harangue, you are breaking the law. Stop it.
I don't care if the end times come and this god of yours is revealed to be the actual creator of the universe and all us blind, misled fools will now suffer for it. If your god was worthy of worship, he would have been worshipped.

So, say homosexuality doesn't make sense. Even tell others that it upsets and revolts you. But don't stand in the way of a secular nation when it tries to ensure that ALL of its citizens have EQUAL rights.
2014-03-17 03:55:21 PM  
9 votes:
Hold on. Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business? And isn't this exactly what we're seeing happen here? And now they're lamenting it?
2014-03-17 05:30:24 PM  
5 votes:
If the only way you can explain gay relationships to your kids is by describing how they have sex, you must have incredibly shallow hetero relationships. Or you may be retarded.
2014-03-17 05:37:11 PM  
4 votes:
Can't we get to the real issue here and just ban parades in general.  They are incredibly boring and fark up traffic all day.

/Good on ya, Guinness!
//If you can't explain homosexuality to your kids without bringing up sex, you have a narrow understanding of homosexuality and are spending way too much time thinking about gay sex.
2014-03-17 04:55:07 PM  
4 votes:

mark12A: he parade doesn't want organized

Gay Girl ScoutGroups in the parade advertising their sexuality girl-scoutedness. People accept GaysGirl Scouts, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay Girl Scout groups waving their dicks cookies in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, GIRL SCOUTS ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays Girl Scouts are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

yup.  its not anti gay, its just that firefighters, veterans, girl scouts, local high schoolers etc. can all "call attention to themselves in an ostensibly Irish parade and its cool, but if gays do it its "WHY MUST THEY MAKE SUCH A BIG SHOW!!"  Totally not a sign of a belief in an inherent problem with gays . . .
2014-03-17 04:47:01 PM  
4 votes:
Nobody is being banned from the parade because they're gay.

The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality. People accept gays, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Just give it a rest already. People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?
2014-03-17 04:04:27 PM  
4 votes:

kronicfeld: Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business


Yep.  It's so hypocritical it often seems like satire.

They think this:
Laws Banning Discrimination Against Homosexuals = Bad and unnecessary because the free market will dictate which businesses succeed or fail.
Laws Banning Discrimination Against any other Minority Group = Bad and unnecessary (see above.)
Laws Banning Discrimination Against Conservative Christians = Good, because this particular group is getting bullied by (insert minority here.)  Without these laws, people can't practice their sincerely-held beliefs, blah blah blah.
2014-03-17 03:54:21 PM  
4 votes:
I know what I'll be drinking tonight : )

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Good job Guinness!
2014-03-17 06:18:23 PM  
3 votes:

SkinnyHead: grumpfuff: SkinnyHead: you are a puppet: SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.

So no "Kiss me (even though you're a guy and I'm a guy) I'm Irish!" signs?

I'm not sure that "Kiss me, I'm Irish" is sexual.  Guinness is demanding that the parade allow signs and banners proclaiming sexual diversity.  It's not a sexual diversity parade, it's a St. Patrick's Day Parade.  I think Guinness is being unreasonable about this.

How dare the firefighters carry banners. It's not a firefighter parade, it's a St Patrick's Day Parade.

How dare the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts carry banners. It's not for them, it's for St. Patrick.

How dare local schools and their bands carry signs. It's not about them, it's about St. Patrick.

Can't you see a difference between firefighters, scouts and school bands marching under their signs and banners, and people who want to use the occasion to declare their sexual diversity?  Parade official want to keep things above the belt.  There are other venues for things like that; it's not unreasonable for parade officials to say that their parade isn't it.


Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt". Explain to me how two men walking down the streets holding hands or even kissing is sexual, but if it's a heterosexual couple its totes fine.
2014-03-17 05:54:24 PM  
3 votes:

SkinnyHead: you are a puppet: SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.

So no "Kiss me (even though you're a guy and I'm a guy) I'm Irish!" signs?

I'm not sure that "Kiss me, I'm Irish" is sexual.  Guinness is demanding that the parade allow signs and banners proclaiming sexual diversity.  It's not a sexual diversity parade, it's a St. Patrick's Day Parade.  I think Guinness is being unreasonable about this.


How dare the firefighters carry banners. It's not a firefighter parade, it's a St Patrick's Day Parade.

How dare the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts carry banners. It's not for them, it's for St. Patrick.

How dare local schools and their bands carry signs. It's not about them, it's about St. Patrick.
2014-03-17 05:17:08 PM  
3 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: Oh STFU.  Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage. Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.

St. Patrick's day is not a political day. It is not a sexual day.  If ANYTHING, it's a religious day, but it's not that either.  It's just a day to celebrate Irish heritage and get hammered.


So having to explain to your kid that gay people exist is not cool but getting hammered to celebrate a "religious day" is just dandy?

On behalf of all reasonable people - go fark yourself.

/gay irish ginger here
2014-03-17 05:11:15 PM  
3 votes:

Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.


Homosexuality is not all about sex. Just like heterosexual partnerships aren't all about sex. The fact that people whining about gay pride are so obsessed with the sexual aspect says more about the whiners than the actual gay people.
2014-03-17 05:06:37 PM  
3 votes:

Ted_Peppy: mark12A: Nobody is being banned from the parade because they're gay.

The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality. People accept gays, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Just give it a rest already. People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?

This



This.  The parade doesn't ban gays - it bans groups marching behind gay banners.  You can still wear your green sequin speedo and feather boa, but you'll need to march with the rest of the Young Republicans.
2014-03-17 05:00:05 PM  
3 votes:

mark12A: The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality.


i assume they're also banning other displays of sexuality, such as buttons/shirts that say, "f*ck me, i'm irish," right?
2014-03-17 04:54:58 PM  
3 votes:

papatex: Oh look. Another one of these stories again....

What's getting tiresome in my mind is some people are "allowed" to have a public opinion and some people aren't...

If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...

If I'm a LGBT and my opinion is there is no God, it's just their opinion...

I'm not saying I get bullied, nor will I ever say that, but let's all make sure we realize its a two way street and regardless of if you like it or not, the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.


I don't think your examples are very good. In both cases the people are allowed to have their opinions. And no one is a bigot for thinking that being gay "doesn't make sense." I'm straight, so being gay "doesn't make sense" to me, but I wouldn't deny others rights because of it. People who would are rightfully called bigots, but they still get to voice their stupid, bigoted opinions.

And if you don't think Christians have a tendency to treat atheists abhorrently, you haven't read much history.

Finally, the parade organizers cannot do as they please. They can do whatever they can do with the sponsorship money they collect. Fewer sponsors means less money, so they can do less.
2014-03-17 04:43:57 PM  
3 votes:
I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.
2014-03-17 04:36:38 PM  
3 votes:

GBB: Rupert owns a lot of stock in Guinness, so by asking for a boycott because they stand up for the LGBT community, it will urge LGBT supporters to fly a middle finger in Rupert's face and buy lots o' Guinness and thus increase the value of his holdings.

Good job... ish?


Okay, better idea:  "Rupert, if you're calling on a boycott of Guinness, why don't you start by divesting yourself in their stock?"

Practice what you preach...and all that jazz.
2014-03-17 04:35:28 PM  
3 votes:
In related news, everyone continues their boycott of Rupert Murdoch.
2014-03-17 04:32:22 PM  
3 votes:
Crap...I was trying not to drink today but apparently I need to go and buy some Guinness.
2014-03-17 04:00:40 PM  
3 votes:

kronicfeld: Hold on. Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business? And isn't this exactly what we're seeing happen here? And now they're lamenting it?


Of course. It's the glory of the sacred free market when it furthers their agenda, it's the worst form of tyranny and bullying when it furthers an agenda they disagree with.
2014-03-17 02:44:08 PM  
3 votes:
Oh Michele. The only bullying you've experienced at the hands of the LGBT community is when Marcus refuses to go to "the icky place".
2014-03-17 07:09:37 PM  
2 votes:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: JuggleGeek: But I don't get it.  The article talks about gay people being banned from the parade, but I seriously doubt that's true.  What the parade wouldn't let them do is use the parade to promote it.   I can understand that.  It's an Irish celebration, not a gay celebration.  They are essentially saying "No, stay on topic".

Have you looked at the list of organizations that are in the parade!? In addition to numerous firefighters, police and various civic organizations, you also have all branches of the military, a huge variety of professional organizations, equestrian groups, political groups such as The Friends of Irish Freedom, a group of  telephone operators,and so forth and so on.

The only common denominator is being Irish. So the notion that having gay Irishmen marching in the parade would be "off topic" is ludicrous. No, let me amend that: it's farking ludicrous.

And I do think it's telling that you can't even conceive of gays marching in the parade without the assless chaps coming out. You are aware that gays can dress and march just like any other group of people. If the parade owners are concerned about  decorum, then they can simply enforce a common set of rules on how you can present yourself when you're marching.


It's essentially saying, "No, there are no gay Irish." You know, other than Oscar Wilde, Graham Norton, Anna Nolan, Colm Toibin, Tonie Walsh, Stephen Gately, Kelly McGillis, Sean Hayes, Tennessee Williams, Boy George, Pat Kenny, Brian Dowley, Louise Walsh, Emma Donahughe, Frank McGuinness and a damn sight more.
2014-03-17 06:58:15 PM  
2 votes:

Loadmaster: Occam's Nailfile: Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?
Depends.
It's okay to ridicule people for their fashion preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their political preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their religious preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their moral preferences.
But it's not okay to ridicule people for their sexual preferences. Right?


You can ridicule anyone for any reason you like. You just can't exempt yourself from being judged and ridiculed in return.

Part of the compact of being able to say whatever the hell you like is that it applies to other people, too. You don't get to cry foul when people say mean things about you in response to the mean things you say about them.

Put on your big girl panties and deal with the fact that people don't have to like your opinions.
2014-03-17 06:52:56 PM  
2 votes:

JuggleGeek: But I don't get it.  The article talks about gay people being banned from the parade, but I seriously doubt that's true.  What the parade wouldn't let them do is use the parade to promote it.   I can understand that.  It's an Irish celebration, not a gay celebration.  They are essentially saying "No, stay on topic".


Have you looked at the list of organizations that are in the parade!? In addition to numerous firefighters, police and various civic organizations, you also have all branches of the military, a huge variety of professional organizations, equestrian groups, political groups such as The Friends of Irish Freedom, a group of  telephone operators,and so forth and so on.

The only common denominator is being Irish. So the notion that having gay Irishmen marching in the parade would be "off topic" is ludicrous. No, let me amend that: it's farking ludicrous.

And I do think it's telling that you can't even conceive of gays marching in the parade without the assless chaps coming out. You are aware that gays can dress and march just like any other group of people. If the parade owners are concerned about  decorum, then they can simply enforce a common set of rules on how you can present yourself when you're marching.
2014-03-17 06:43:44 PM  
2 votes:

SkinnyHead: The parade wants to keep things above the belt, meaning that they don't want the parade to be about sexuality.  A group that wants to march under a banner proclaiming their homosexuality or any other sexual diversity should find a different venue.


The fact that you automatically equate gayness and "sexuality" is pretty telling. By your standards, all the "straight" groups should be banned from the parade too, because they blatantly promote heterosexual sex just by their very existence. Right?
2014-03-17 06:31:35 PM  
2 votes:

jshine: grumpfuff: jshine: grumpfuff: Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt".

I dont think there are any "Heterosexual Swinging Veterans Association" banners either.  Or just "Heterosexual Veterans Association", for that matter.  There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick.

I notice you avoided the second question.

Anyway, I think my previous answer to you applies just as well here.

grumpfuff: Holy non-sequitor Batman!


Meh, I'm not a lawyer being paid to respond to each point that's raised.  This is just Fark.

If you feel "There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick." is a non sequitur reply to the topic of TFA, then there's going to be no possible room for discussion.  That's about as direct a reply as one can get.


I'm sorry that you think a marginalized group only gets to speak when you feel it is appropriate.
2014-03-17 06:24:30 PM  
2 votes:

jshine: SkinnyHead: Can't you see a difference between firefighters, scouts and school bands marching under their signs and banners, and people who want to use the occasion to declare their sexual diversity? Parade official want to keep things above the belt. There are other venues for things like that; it's not unreasonable for parade officials to say that their parade isn't it.

Yes, but that sort of measured, reasonable tone doesn't play as well as the drama of "Help, help, we're being oppressed!".  Sexual freedom won't have truly arrived until there are animatronic robots on the Small World ride at Disney World fellating each other.


More of that obsession with gay sex. Quite telling, really.
2014-03-17 05:55:44 PM  
2 votes:
I would love to see what would happen if a group tried to march in the parade under a similar banner but instead of gay/lesbian it was straight/heterosexual...I would love to see the parade organizers defend this position to the onslaught of rage that would come as a result of that.
2014-03-17 05:40:24 PM  
2 votes:

Loadmaster: Occam's Nailfile: Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?
Depends.
It's okay to ridicule people for their fashion preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their political preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their religious preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their moral preferences.
But it's not okay to ridicule people for their sexual preferences. Right?


All of those are choices except for one. And by the way you can ridicule gay people all you want, nobody's going to stop you. Just don't try to take away their rights because of it.
2014-03-17 05:32:41 PM  
2 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.


So what do you tell your 5 year old when they see a man and a woman walking down the street holding hands?  Hmmm?  Do you really get into the birds and the bees with them?  No?  Then why would you need to get into it when they see a gay couple doing the same thing?

BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.

Actually, I'd love to date a ginger.  Redheads are the best!
2014-03-17 05:32:28 PM  
2 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: Why is it so hard to understand that EVERYTHING isn't about you being gay?


I understand your frustration with your friend. We all know somebody like that, because for some people all roads just lead back to the same place. They're boring.

The purpose of the visibility principal of the gay rights movement dates back to the Stonewall Riots, which garnered more attention in a single event than years of silent protests (by gay men and women dressed to the nines, no less) organized by the Mattachine Society. They were discouraged from holding these silent, peaceful protests by mainstream gay activists who feared visibility would hurt the cause.

One of the reasons it's so difficult to find lots of photographs from the early days in gay bars is because so many people were closeted that they did not want to appear in the background of a photograph.

The noisy "in-your-face" pioneers of the gay rights movement spread the word. More and more people came out. Every "straight-acting" guy who "doesn't seem gay," which seems to be a favorite among heterosexuals, should thank those early protesters. They created the space and fought the laws so that gay people who might otherwise simply "pass" are given the courage and resources to come out. The more gay people come out, the more straight people realize that gays are their family members, coworkers, and neighbors, thus countering the more over-the-top claims from the fundamentalist Christian right.

Visibility continues today so that young gay men and women realize they are not alone. It's nothing to be ashamed of, nor is it anything to shield a child's eyes from.
2014-03-17 05:32:00 PM  
2 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers. Ironic.


Won't someone think of the red hairs?  Anyone?  Are they doomed to suffer forever?

Making fun of people is just like trying to deny them legal rights.  Got it.
2014-03-17 05:27:47 PM  
2 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: I have a lesbian acquaintance, who you cannot talk to for 5 minutes without her SOMEHOW changing the conversation to the fact that she's gay.


i know people who won't shut up about their kids. i'd have no problem if they wanted to join a parade, though.
2014-03-17 05:27:38 PM  
2 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: patrick767: Occam's Nailfile:
 No one GIVES a fark about the fact that you're gay

What planet are you living on? This statement is completely false. Ask the people of Arizona if "no one gives a fark" about people being gay. Ask the many states that have or are trying to write bans on gay marriage and/or civil unions into their constitutions and laws. Ask the countless gay people who have seen very real discrimination. No one cares? Bullshiat.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something.

Blame the victim. Nice job, asshole.

Dude, I don't bully people, I have gay employees and friends.  I don't treat gay people any differently than anyone else.  But the "PAY ATTENTION TO MAH GHEYNESS" people are farking annoying, and annoying people deserve to be ridiculed - not for being gay, but for being annoying.

I have a lesbian acquaintance, who you cannot talk to for 5 minutes without her SOMEHOW changing the conversation to the fact that she's gay.  The way she slips it in isn't even subtle.  It usually goes like, "So, we went to the beach, and were watching the sunset..."  and she will respond with some crazy shiat like, "When I first came out of the closet, there was a TV playing in the background with a beautiful beach on it, and a man and a woman, and I couldn't help but think about how hot the woman was.  That's when I decided..."

New story, every 5 minutes.  And she has been out of the closet for like 15 years, not like she's newly sprung.

Why is it so hard to understand that EVERYTHING isn't about you being gay?


Maybe that's something you should ask her about, instead of projecting your frustrations on to a whole group of people.
2014-03-17 05:26:41 PM  
2 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: patrick767: Occam's Nailfile:
 No one GIVES a fark about the fact that you're gay

What planet are you living on? This statement is completely false. Ask the people of Arizona if "no one gives a fark" about people being gay. Ask the many states that have or are trying to write bans on gay marriage and/or civil unions into their constitutions and laws. Ask the countless gay people who have seen very real discrimination. No one cares? Bullshiat.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something.

Blame the victim. Nice job, asshole.

Dude, I don't bully people, I have gay employees and friends.  I don't treat gay people any differently than anyone else.  But the "PAY ATTENTION TO MAH GHEYNESS" people are farking annoying, and annoying people deserve to be ridiculed - not for being gay, but for being annoying.

I have a lesbian acquaintance, who you cannot talk to for 5 minutes without her SOMEHOW changing the conversation to the fact that she's gay.  The way she slips it in isn't even subtle.  It usually goes like, "So, we went to the beach, and were watching the sunset..."  and she will respond with some crazy shiat like, "When I first came out of the closet, there was a TV playing in the background with a beautiful beach on it, and a man and a woman, and I couldn't help but think about how hot the woman was.  That's when I decided..."

New story, every 5 minutes.  And she has been out of the closet for like 15 years, not like she's newly sprung.

Why is it so hard to understand that EVERYTHING isn't about you being gay?


Yeah, I don't think so.

Any case, I'd love to hear your side of that conversation.  "When I met my wife/significant other, the TV was playing in the background and / it's great seeing all the babes on this beach because, yadda yadda..."
2014-03-17 05:22:36 PM  
2 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage.


Neither do straights.

Now take off your wedding ring, take down all the pictures of your spouse hanging up at work, march nowhere near your spouse (and if you both attend the parade as spectators, no holding hands or trading knowing glances from beyond the mandated "separation distance" of 10' - enough room for the Holy Spirit, you see), no referring to your spouse or your marriage, no referring to your kids as "biological", no trading of any innuendo (that's what ze said), and for safety's sake, no staring at breasts, butts, or legs. Male or female.

// perhaps you should lighten the fark up, and grow a thicker skin
// you are not special, gays are not special
// every not-special group should be able march in the same damned parade, for the same damned I-don't-give-a-shiat reasons
2014-03-17 05:20:55 PM  
2 votes:
papatex:
So this goes for those with the opinion against the LGBT community, but the LGBT community shouldn't have to deal with the "consequences" of their decisions?

As others have also pointed out to you, thinking that being gay "doesn't make sense" isn't bigoted. Denying opportunity and rights to people because they are gay is. To answer your question, the LGBT community deals with the consequences of their decisions every time they are discriminated against by a bunch of farking bigots.

So yes, gays and straights alike have to deal with the "consequences", but for the majority who are NOT being discriminated against to complain about it is farking absurd. 

No, I'm not bullied, nor am I persecuted. But you further my point by automatically assuming that notion based on my opinion..

Yet you feel the need to whine about an imaginary double standard.
2014-03-17 05:20:08 PM  
2 votes:
It's a win win from Sam Adams and Guinness standpoint.  Disassociate selves from stupidity. Ad garner loads of free advertising and air time while doing it.
2014-03-17 05:18:07 PM  
2 votes:

Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.


Its as family friendly as a man dating a woman.

Oh wait, you say that a man and a woman can be seen together in public and it isn't about sex?  Well then, gay couples should be able to be able to be seen in public without sex coming up either.

I know you like to spend a lot of time thinking about two sweaty men pressing up against each other, their well toned abs sliding against each other, but sometimes couples just like to go out and have dinner before they return home to wash the dishes and go to sleep.
2014-03-17 05:16:26 PM  
2 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.


um... nobody is seriously making fun of "gingers." it's a silly meme.

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2014-03-17 05:12:47 PM  
2 votes:

Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.


So it's not the gay, it's the Pride. A deadly sin indeed.
/ by the way, sex is indeed family friendly. It's the most common path to being in the family-way.
2014-03-17 05:09:37 PM  
2 votes:

boaris_grozny: OK....why exactly does everybody feel they need to be included in something that has nothing to do with them...?


It's not some random gay rights group that was booted. The St. Patrick's Day parade is organized by a veterans group. Gay veterans wanted to march. That's who the parade organizers stopped.
2014-03-17 05:08:15 PM  
2 votes:
I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.
2014-03-17 05:03:55 PM  
2 votes:
While I fully support marriage equality and equal benefits when it comes to federal laws that support/protect heterosexual married couples (i.e. death benefits, end of life decisions, etc), I am getting  really tired of the attention whore segment of the current LGBT movement. Why does everything have to be such a farking spectacle. I don't care for seeing straight couples making out in public any more than I enjoy seeing gay couples do it. The more outlandish the displays of their dick wavings get, the less I honestly want to support the cause.
2014-03-17 05:02:59 PM  
2 votes:
Hobby Lobby fights the Affordable Care Act because provisions of the law conflict with the owners religious beliefs: OK.  Guinness choosing not to sponsor an event due to said event discriminating against a specific demographic group of which some of their employees and customers may belong to: morally wrong.  I was under the impression that Murdoch and crew want businesses to be able to operate as they see fit but I guess I was wrong.
2014-03-17 05:01:43 PM  
2 votes:
Yes! I encourage every Teabagger, Soccer Mom, and all-around right wing retard out there to boycott Guinness! The the company can show photos from CPAC and Teabagger rallies with the caption "THESE PEOPLE HATE GUINESS". Sales will farking skyrocket within the week!
2014-03-17 05:00:15 PM  
2 votes:

papatex: Oh look. Another one of these stories again....

What's getting tiresome in my mind is some people are "allowed" to have a public opinion and some people aren't...

If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...


Wrong. You are a bigot if you deny rights to and discriminate against gays. You are a bigot if you see gays as inferior to other people. If you're having a giant farking community parade and you specifically exclude gay people, then yes, that also suggests a bigoted motive.

And just to be clear, anti-gay Christians see being gay as rather worse than just "not making sense". They see it as a sin, as something that is against God, at a minimum.

If I'm a LGBT and my opinion is there is no God, it's just their opinion...

What an odd way to put it. Like straight people, some LGBT people believe in God or gods, some don't.

I'm not saying I get bullied, nor will I ever say that, but let's all make sure we realize its a two way street and regardless of if you like it or not, the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.

Of course they can. They can also reap the consequences of their decision.

No, you didn't say you're getting bullied, but you did claim a double standard is being used against you. It suggests that you feel persecuted, which is patently absurd.
2014-03-17 04:58:00 PM  
2 votes:
OK....why exactly does everybody feel they need to be included in something that has nothing to do with them...? I don't get offended when I can't put my big brown prostate float in the Komen/Speilman mammogram parade, and I'm pretty sure it would cause an uproar if I tried that...so, why? Just stay home, or just put on a green shirt and march along with the rest of us plain old people as if you're a human. You don't need to be separate and special on this one day that doesn't deal with where you want to stick it...I'm over it, you can also get over it.
2014-03-17 04:56:36 PM  
2 votes:

papatex: If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...


I'm straight and being gay doesn't make sense to me. If it did, I'd be gay (or bi).

If you're straight or Christian or turtle or poor or confused or fertile - what you think about gayness matters less than what you think about god. The problem comes in when you try and apply laws unequally (as in the case of marriages and such), or create a set of laws to allow unequal treatment of gays and lesbians.

They have just as much right to live as you do, whether or not their life makes sense to you. Don't like what's on their plate? Don't eat off their plate.

// hell, being Christian makes no sense to me, either
2014-03-17 04:49:09 PM  
2 votes:
Why the fark do they need to AW in another damned parade?  St. Patrick's Day has NOTHING to do with whether you prefer penises or vaginas.

You've pretty much won the marriage thing.  You can force people to bake cakes for your wedding upon pain of poverty.  You've got parades in every major city every year in your honor. What the fark else do you want?  No one GIVES a fark about the fact that you're gay, we're just farking sick and tired of hearing you biatch all the damned time.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something.

It doesn't.  Congratulations, you're gay.  Now STFU and GBTW.
2014-03-17 04:46:31 PM  
2 votes:
Parade Float for next year:

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2014-03-17 04:41:44 PM  
2 votes:
Oh look. Another one of these stories again....

What's getting tiresome in my mind is some people are "allowed" to have a public opinion and some people aren't...

If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...

If I'm a LGBT and my opinion is there is no God, it's just their opinion...

I'm not saying I get bullied, nor will I ever say that, but let's all make sure we realize its a two way street and regardless of if you like it or not, the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.
2014-03-17 04:37:49 PM  
2 votes:
Like the Irish are going to listen to anyone, much less an Australian, who says, "Stop drinking!"
2014-03-17 04:34:00 PM  
2 votes:
weknowmemes.com
2014-03-17 03:40:54 PM  
2 votes:
Piss off, Rupert
2014-03-18 12:54:41 PM  
1 vote:

gerrymander: No, we're saying that it should be wrong to march as Catholic Irish, Republican Irish, or Swing Dancing Irish.

But here's the thing: the problem is that this situation exists exactly as you wrote it. The 'Irish' bit comes first for the Catholics, and the Republicans, and the Swing Dancers. The only ones who won't commit to setting their other identifier aside for a while are the gays.

The occasion is St. Patrick's Day. If you can't see it in your heart to put the Irish first and foremost for the few hours of the parade, you shouldn't be in the parade.


Clearly you have a dizzying intellect.

Are you claiming that everyone who marches in the parade has a banner that just says "Irish" and nothing else?
2014-03-18 12:22:06 PM  
1 vote:

Edymnion: So just to be clear, everyone that is saying that its wrong for them to want to march simply as being Gay Irish also thinks it should be wrong for anyone to march as Irish Catholics, or Irish Republicans, or Irish Swing Dancers, right?


No, we're saying that it should be wrong to march as Catholic Irish, Republican Irish, or Swing Dancing Irish.

But here's the thing: the problem is that this situation exists exactly as you wrote it. The 'Irish' bit comes first for the Catholics, and the Republicans, and the Swing Dancers. The only ones who won't commit to setting their other identifier aside for a while are the gays.

The occasion is St. Patrick's Day. If you can't see it in your heart to put the Irish first and foremost for the few hours of the parade, you shouldn't be in the parade.
2014-03-18 01:43:17 AM  
1 vote:

JerseyTim: The whole thing that equates "being gay" with "sex" is so gosh darn stupid that I honestly can't tell if it's a genuine opinion people hold or trolling.


Same here. A 20 something friend I haven't seen in awhile (small town, 2 kids) posted something similar on FB today. I was going to slap him upside the head figuratively, but decided I'll do the polite thing and do so literally the next time I see him. Lots of hypocrisy I'm not gonna let him ignore.

Oh, and the fact that my now married gay friends let him sublease their room crazy cheap when he needed a place to stay. But I guess as long as they don't celebrate their love in public or anything.

"Gay families: huh, they're just like ours" = crazy idea that just might/is working. Just pissed it's going to take so damn long to undo the damage.
2014-03-18 12:33:00 AM  
1 vote:

boaris_grozny: OK....why exactly does everybody feel they need to be included in something that has nothing to do with them...? I don't get offended when I can't put my big brown prostate float in the Komen/Speilman mammogram parade, and I'm pretty sure it would cause an uproar if I tried that...so, why? Just stay home, or just put on a green shirt and march along with the rest of us plain old people as if you're a human. You don't need to be separate and special on this one day that doesn't deal with where you want to stick it...I'm over it, you can also get over it.


So you're also arguing that policemen shouldn't be allowed to march in uniform, correct?
2014-03-18 12:18:31 AM  
1 vote:
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JuggleGeek: They could.  But they don't.  I've been to a gay pride parade.  They don't "march just like any other group".

The fact is that they want to take a parade put together by other people, for other purposes, and turn it into their parade, and use it for their purposes.  Even if you agree with their purpose (which I do - as I said before, I support gay marriage) it's simply not the correct venue.


cache.boston.com

Not every gay group is assless chaps and go-go dancers. Many are simply community support organizations. Like this one.

Community organizations are what these parades usually feature. What's wrong with their participation?
2014-03-18 12:16:31 AM  
1 vote:

exparrot: R.A.Danny: More for me.

More gays? OH...beer. you mean beer. don't you?


He meant gay beer.
2014-03-17 11:05:02 PM  
1 vote:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: And I do think it's telling that you can't even conceive of gays marching in the parade without the assless chaps coming out. You are aware that gays can dress and march just like any other group of people.


They could.  But they don't.  I've been to a gay pride parade.  They don't "march just like any other group".

The fact is that they want to take a parade put together by other people, for other purposes, and turn it into their parade, and use it for their purposes.  Even if you agree with their purpose (which I do - as I said before, I support gay marriage) it's simply not the correct venue.

If a group promoting, oh, say "make marijuana legal" wanted to put in a pot-based float and the organizers didn't want to do that, I would understand them saying "That's not the green we're here to promote, it's not allowed".  For the same reasons.

If the KKK wanted to spout their bigoted crap, I could understand the parade organizers saying "Nope, that's not what this parade is for, go hold your own parade".

And when the gays want to turn it into their own thing, the parade organizers have a right to say "no".

hubiestubert: It's essentially saying, "No, there are no gay Irish."


No, it's not.  Just like saying "We aren't going to let NORML run a pro-pot float in our parade" wouldn't mean that they think no Irish have ever gotten stoned on pot.
2014-03-17 10:31:40 PM  
1 vote:
I guess we should expect him to lash out at all the gay friendly programming found on Fox Broadcasting, right?

/sell out
//Guinness should pull all advertising they have with News Corp, including Fox Broadcasting, to teach this hypocrite that focusing only on money with no principles isn't always the most profitable
2014-03-17 08:42:28 PM  
1 vote:

Loadmaster: Occam's Nailfile: Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?

  Loadmaster: Depends.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their fashion preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their political preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their religious preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their moral preferences.
  But it's not okay to ridicule people for their sexual preferences. Right?

  Some 'Splainin' To Do: You can ridicule anyone for any reason you like.
 You just can't exempt yourself from being judged and ridiculed in return.

Does that ridicule include people accusing you of hate crimes?


That is one consequence. Actions have consequences. You want around and NOT be held up for actions, it's entirely possible to keep your gob shut. Even when faced with those icky people that you dislike so much.

Me? I really have a problem with pedophiles. I accuse someone falsely of this, yeah, I fully expect some repercussions from that. That's not exactly analogous, since simply being gay isn't against the law. Not in the US at any rate--though, some folks would certainly like to see it made so. If you don't want to be accused of a hate crime, then perhaps it's a good idea to actually think about what you say in public BEFORE saying it. Simple ridicule isn't a hate crime. Urging others to commit bodily harm, that's getting into some incitement territory, and that kinda IS a crime. You don't want to be accused of a crime? Don't commit one. Maybe think before you open your gob, and expect OTHERS to clean up after you.

You're responsible for your own actions. You might want to think on those actions BEFORE. Or at least be mindful of the possible consequences. You don't like being called a racist? Then maybe you should think BEFORE opening your gob. You don't want to be called a sexist? Then you maybe you should think BEFORE opening your gob. You don't want to be called a bigot? Then maybe you should think BEFORE you open your gob. I know the thinking part is often hard for folks, but at some point folks might want to at least try it.

Here's the thing: I'm NOT a fan of hate crime legislation. I think it adds an unnecessary layer to prosecution. The Angie Zapata case comes to mind. Trans woman is murdered, skull bashed in, by a man who Angie took home, and had a LOT of sessy time with. Her partner then bashed her skull in and robbed her home blind, and then was caught. The crime of murder itself is horrible enough in my mind. Absolutely asinine use of the "gay rage" defense, since the gentleman had spent nearly two days in Angie's home, with DNA evidence all over the place. DNA evidence that suggested that our murderer had been catching as well as pitching if you get the drift. The murder itself is more than horrifying enough, and more than brutal enough. A human was murdered, brutally. That's more than enough for me.

Classifying the case as a "hate crime" was even more ridiculous, since the DNA evidence shredded his "gay rage" defense all to shreds. He didn't murder Angie because he "suddenly" found out that the sessy little thing he'd been buggering wildly for two days had a penis, he murdered someone, stole their sh*t, and got caught, and then tried to pass off murder as justified. THAT particular portion of the show, might  qualify, because it only added insult to injury to a woman who was murdered. The thing is, the insult came long after she was dead. It wasn't the cause of her death, and it wasn't the reason he murdered her. He was just an ebbil sack of sh*t who robbed Angie's home AFTER he bashed her skull in with a fire extinguisher. The hate crime portion of the charges muddied the waters a fair amount, when the REAL crime, and that is more than horrible enough for me, is that he murdered Angie Zapata after two days of sessy time, and then after he'd had his fun, killed her and ran off with her stuff. The murder is more than horrible enough. Especially since the "gay rage" defense was the best they could come up, and it didn't work. And I don't think that the hate crime portion of the show was necessary, because the crime itself was more than horrible enough for a jury.

Going out and lynching someone, and tossing them from Chuck-a-Homo bridge? Yeah, that might be considered good use of the charges. Tying folks up and dragging them a few miles because you found some dark folks out where decent white folks live near? Yeah, that's a better use. The problem is, a lot of the time the hate crime portion of the show is just added to a laundry list of charges, that are damn horrible in their own right. And yes, it says something that we look at the motive, but likewise, they complicate cases a bit more. The murder, the assaults, the arson, those are more than horrible enough, but I can get why folks want to make a statement that "these are more terrible than most of these crimes, because the victims were chosen for just who they are."

I don't like the laws, myself. Because they add a layer that complicates cases that are damn horrible enough. But I understand them.

Ridicule isn't a hate crime. Incitement to violence is a whole different story though. And if you think you might get charged with a hate crime for some "ridicule" then you are either really f*cking stoopid, or you're definition of "ridicule" is enormously screwed up...
2014-03-17 07:35:20 PM  
1 vote:

Keith Dudemeister: SkinnyHead: The parade wants to keep things above the belt, meaning that they don't want the parade to be about sexuality.  A group that wants to march under a banner proclaiming their homosexuality or any other sexual diversity should find a different venue.

The fact that you automatically equate gayness and "sexuality" is pretty telling. By your standards, all the "straight" groups should be banned from the parade too, because they blatantly promote heterosexual sex just by their very existence. Right?


"Gayness" refers to "homosexuality," no?  Homosexuality is a form of "sexuality."  That's actually part of the term.  And what kind of "straight" groups are you talking about?  I don't think I've ever seen a group marching around under a "heterosexual" banner.  I wouldn't want to see that in the parade either.
2014-03-17 07:20:24 PM  
1 vote:

Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.


"Kiss me I'm Irish" and "start drinking at 9am" are clearly family-friendly concepts.

TFA doesn't even describe what was explicitly banned.  Was it dancing in thongs and dry-humping each other while shooting glitter guns?  Or was it wearing a shirt that says "Kiss me I'm LGBT"?  Or maybe just a rainbow?  Where else will the leprechauns hide their gold???

Anyway, what's the point of hiding the world from your kids?  Until being LGBT is accepted in society, every parent is going to have to explain this crap to their kids.  Once it's in, they'll learn it like they learn the rest of our culture.  From TV.
2014-03-17 07:07:50 PM  
1 vote:
If it's OK to say you don't like gays, then it's OK for the rest of us to say you're a bigoted asshat.
You're free to hate whoever you want for whatever reasons you want, I'm free to say you're a vile, petty little person because of it. I'll still defend your right to be as vile, bigoted, and petty as you wish. That's your bad decision to make, and I have no right to use force (legal or otherwise) to stop you so long as you are not using force.
That's how Free Speech works. Just because you can say what you want doesn't mean there are no consequences, just that there are no legal consequences.

You're not free to pass laws discriminating for or against people, because that changes the issue from one of free speech/free thought and into actual harm.
2014-03-17 06:42:59 PM  
1 vote:

papatex: If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...


I suspect that if you are being called a bigot, it's probably got more to do with the "why" of why you don't think being gay "makes sense".

Care to share?
2014-03-17 06:37:28 PM  
1 vote:

jshine: grumpfuff: jshine: grumpfuff: jshine: grumpfuff: Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt".

I dont think there are any "Heterosexual Swinging Veterans Association" banners either.  Or just "Heterosexual Veterans Association", for that matter.  There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick.

I notice you avoided the second question.

Anyway, I think my previous answer to you applies just as well here.

grumpfuff: Holy non-sequitor Batman!


Meh, I'm not a lawyer being paid to respond to each point that's raised.  This is just Fark.

If you feel "There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick." is a non sequitur reply to the topic of TFA, then there's going to be no possible room for discussion.  That's about as direct a reply as one can get.

I'm sorry that you think a marginalized group only gets to speak when you feel it is appropriate.

I'm not the one handing out parade permits or organizing the events. My opinion is really quite inconsequential.


Yet you are attempting to argue in support of them.
2014-03-17 06:34:52 PM  
1 vote:
Occam's Nailfile:

Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.

This is the awesomest argument ever. We should ban everything that's inappropriate to talk to little kids about.
2014-03-17 06:33:33 PM  
1 vote:

Ow! That was my feelings!: grumpfuff: Explain to me how two men walking down the streets holding hands or even kissing

Well, I doubt, and I'm not alone, in thinking that is what the gay rights groups plan or want. Sorry, when a lot of folks think 'gay' and 'parade' they think assless chaps and transformers. It might be unfair, but not every parade is or needs to be a 'gay rights parade'. The ....let's say demonstrativeness of gay rights parades works against gay folk in these instances.


Oh I highly doubt it too. I fully expect if they did march, it would be a bunch of boring looking people doing boring things like walking and waving.

However, that point aside, if you don't think a man and a woman holding hands in public or kissing or hugging or whatever is sexual, then you should think the same of two men or two women.
2014-03-17 06:26:56 PM  
1 vote:

jshine: grumpfuff: Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt".

I dont think there are any "Heterosexual Swinging Veterans Association" banners either.  Or just "Heterosexual Veterans Association", for that matter.  There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick.


I notice you avoided the second question.

Anyway, I think my previous answer to you applies just as well here.

grumpfuff: Holy non-sequitor Batman!

2014-03-17 06:23:10 PM  
1 vote:

jshine: SkinnyHead: Can't you see a difference between firefighters, scouts and school bands marching under their signs and banners, and people who want to use the occasion to declare their sexual diversity? Parade official want to keep things above the belt. There are other venues for things like that; it's not unreasonable for parade officials to say that their parade isn't it.

Yes, but that sort of measured, reasonable tone doesn't play as well as the drama of "Help, help, we're being oppressed!".  Sexual freedom won't have truly arrived until there are animatronic robots on the Small World ride at Disney World fellating each other.


Holy non-sequitor Batman!
2014-03-17 06:08:59 PM  
1 vote:

JuggleGeek: But I don't get it.  The article talks about gay people being banned from the parade, but I seriously doubt that's true.  What the parade wouldn't let them do is use the parade to promote it.   I can understand that.  It's an Irish celebration, not a gay celebration.  They are essentially saying "No, stay on topic".


Therefore, no group should be allowed to self identify as anything other than Irish. Right?
2014-03-17 06:06:45 PM  
1 vote:

Iplaybass: mark12A: Nobody is being banned from the parade because they're gay.

The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality. People accept gays, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Just give it a rest already. People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?

+ eleventy billion.

But common sense doesn't seem to have any impact on the retards who think if you don't completely 100% support every single thing a gay person does you're a dirty bigot.


If you think being gay is a kink, that's fine. It still makes you a bigot and an asshole, but that's your right.

However, if you think your bigotry means gay people should be specifically excluded from events that other groups are allowed to attend, that's where I have a problem. And if you think that a child asking why two men or two women are holding hands means you should explain how gay people f*ck, that's a problem with YOU, not with gay people.
2014-03-17 06:05:40 PM  
1 vote:
Also, for all of the "How can I explain this to my child" nonsense, if you can't answer a question like that with a simple answer that is vague and short on details I wonder how you can possibly discuss some of the other things that are going to come up as a result of parenting...especially if one of those conversations involves your own kid coming out to you at some point.
The other part of this is that I can't really imagine that 5 year old kid is going to be paying close enough attention to a parade with a quarter of a million participants to pay attention to every detail about every group of people in the parade...they'll probably get caught up in the scale of it or get bored and tired halfway through as kids tend to do after being somewhere for a few hours.
2014-03-17 05:53:52 PM  
1 vote:

Sidecrab: LordJiro: Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.

Homosexuality is not all about sex. Just like heterosexual partnerships aren't all about sex. The fact that people whining about gay pride are so obsessed with the sexual aspect says more about the whiners than the actual gay people.


If it's not about sex it is called 'friendship'. No one has a problem with friendship.


No, it's about love. And even if you disagree, you presumably wouldn't give your kid the 'birds and the bees' talk if they asked why a man and woman were holding hands, why would you go into the details about homosexual sex if they asked why two men or two women were together? Why isn't 'Because they're in love' an acceptable answer for both?

Not that it matters. Bigots like you are rapidly losing your grip, and you'll be in the dustbin of history before too long. Like the people who opposed emancipation, miscegenation, and the right for women and minorities to vote, you'll be nothing more than a powerless embarrassment.
2014-03-17 05:45:51 PM  
1 vote:
Chik-fil-a does not support marriage equality: "See, they're just expressing their beliefs about something. There's nothing political."

Guiness supports marriage equality: "WHY ARE THEY BULLYING PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM? THEY MAKE BEER, THEY SHOULD STAY OUT OF POLITICS!"
2014-03-17 05:39:54 PM  
1 vote:
Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something. <a rel="nofollow" data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" www.fark.com="" comments="" 8182992="" 89808804#c89808804"="" target="_blank">

The world does owe them something.  A farking apology would be a good place to start.
2014-03-17 05:38:08 PM  
1 vote:
Golly, what a tough choice.

Should I listen to that cranky old fart who has helped turn my conservative friends and relatives into even bigger assholes?

Nah, I think I'll stick with supporting equality and that sweet, sweet, nectar of the gods.

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Sláinte!
2014-03-17 05:33:13 PM  
1 vote:

papatex: If I'm a Christian

person and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, and I support discrimination based on sexual orientation, I'm a bigot...

Fixed.
2014-03-17 05:25:51 PM  
1 vote:
  Freedom of Beliefs
  Freedom of Correct Beliefs

Progress has been slow, but we're getting closer every day.
2014-03-17 05:24:43 PM  
1 vote:

MaliFinn: vudukungfu: Please provide a list of anything this asshole, Rupert Murdoch, has his sticky fingers in so I may boycott those products.

You may forgo the fish wrappers, I don't eat Shait in a cone.

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Includes skipping the next X-Men movie


just download the blu ray rip when it hits the net :)
2014-03-17 05:23:24 PM  
1 vote:

Occam's Nailfile: Edymnion: Yeah, gays are totally not banned from the parade.

They're just not allowed to identify as being gay in any way.  They have to hide among the other tolerance groups and not let anyone know who or what they are.

Because hiding your gays is totally the same as accepting them as human beings, and is in no way similar to what the Russians were doing during the Olympics.

Oh STFU.  Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage. Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.

St. Patrick's day is not a political day. It is not a sexual day.  If ANYTHING, it's a religious day, but it's not that either.  It's just a day to celebrate Irish heritage and get hammered.

BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.


I'm going to drink (GUINNESS!) until I see it from your perspective. Might as well pop open one yourself, this is going to take a while.
2014-03-17 05:22:53 PM  
1 vote:

patrick767: Occam's Nailfile:
 No one GIVES a fark about the fact that you're gay

What planet are you living on? This statement is completely false. Ask the people of Arizona if "no one gives a fark" about people being gay. Ask the many states that have or are trying to write bans on gay marriage and/or civil unions into their constitutions and laws. Ask the countless gay people who have seen very real discrimination. No one cares? Bullshiat.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something.

Blame the victim. Nice job, asshole.


Dude, I don't bully people, I have gay employees and friends.  I don't treat gay people any differently than anyone else.  But the "PAY ATTENTION TO MAH GHEYNESS" people are farking annoying, and annoying people deserve to be ridiculed - not for being gay, but for being annoying.

I have a lesbian acquaintance, who you cannot talk to for 5 minutes without her SOMEHOW changing the conversation to the fact that she's gay.  The way she slips it in isn't even subtle.  It usually goes like, "So, we went to the beach, and were watching the sunset..."  and she will respond with some crazy shiat like, "When I first came out of the closet, there was a TV playing in the background with a beautiful beach on it, and a man and a woman, and I couldn't help but think about how hot the woman was.  That's when I decided..."

New story, every 5 minutes.  And she has been out of the closet for like 15 years, not like she's newly sprung.

Why is it so hard to understand that EVERYTHING isn't about you being gay?
2014-03-17 05:21:35 PM  
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papatex: If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...



Not really.  You may just be a little ignorant of the fact that being gay is natural.  Some people are just born that way.  Being gay doesn't "make sense" from the perspective of reproduction, but still, some people are born gay.  In any species, reproduction is not something that all members of the species do.  We don't stop heteros from getting married if they don't want to reproduce.  Or deny legal rights to people who don't want kids.  So why judge homosexuals as less deserving of rights just because they don't reproduce?

Just thinking gay is a choice and it doesn't make sense doesn't make you a bigot. What you do with that belief is what could make you a bigot.

I
2014-03-17 05:19:12 PM  
1 vote:

LordJiro: Totally-not-repressed anti-gay folk are obsessed with gay sex. Thus, they assume openly gay people are obsessed with gay sex.


it wouldn't surprise me if they get all hot and sweaty totally-not-obsessing over gay sex.
2014-03-17 05:19:03 PM  
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papatex: Oh look. Another one of these stories again....

What's getting tiresome in my mind is some people are "allowed" to have a public opinion and some people aren't...

If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...

If I'm a LGBT and my opinion is there is no God, it's just their opinion...

I'm not saying I get bullied, nor will I ever say that, but let's all make sure we realize its a two way street and regardless of if you like it or not, the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.


I'm impressed by the mixture of your brave table-thumping and your general stupidity about speech in general.
2014-03-17 05:18:03 PM  
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odinsposse: boaris_grozny: OK....why exactly does everybody feel they need to be included in something that has nothing to do with them...?

It's not some random gay rights group that was booted. The St. Patrick's Day parade is organized by a veterans group. Gay veterans wanted to march. That's who the parade organizers stopped.


That's reprehensible.
2014-03-17 05:15:37 PM  
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Sidecrab: And sex is not 'family friendly'.


Neither are most St. Patrick Day's parades. I believe it was only 1-2 years ago Hoboken considered shutting the whole thing down due to out of control drunks. Would you take your kid to a random bar on St. Patrick's Day? It's a bad scene, in general. There's a reason regular bar goers refer to St. Patrick's Day and New Years as "amateur night."
2014-03-17 05:11:29 PM  
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Occam's Nailfile: Oh STFU.  Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage. Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.


who's talking about sex?
2014-03-17 05:10:14 PM  
1 vote:
ACCEPTABLE:

www.badideatshirts.com

JESUS, MARY, AND JOSEPH:

echodepiction.files.wordpress.com
2014-03-17 05:09:59 PM  
1 vote:

From The Guiness Book of World Records 2014 Edition

World funkiest bum fart

(11 March 1931 - Present)

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Phew! What a bum scortcher!

2014-03-17 05:09:58 PM  
1 vote:
Occam's Nailfile:
 No one GIVES a fark about the fact that you're gay

What planet are you living on? This statement is completely false. Ask the people of Arizona if "no one gives a fark" about people being gay. Ask the many states that have or are trying to write bans on gay marriage and/or civil unions into their constitutions and laws. Ask the countless gay people who have seen very real discrimination. No one cares? Bullshiat.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something.

Blame the victim. Nice job, asshole.
2014-03-17 05:09:48 PM  
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Edymnion: Yeah, gays are totally not banned from the parade.

They're just not allowed to identify as being gay in any way.  They have to hide among the other tolerance groups and not let anyone know who or what they are.

Because hiding your gays is totally the same as accepting them as human beings, and is in no way similar to what the Russians were doing during the Olympics.


Oh STFU.  Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage. Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.

St. Patrick's day is not a political day. It is not a sexual day.  If ANYTHING, it's a religious day, but it's not that either.  It's just a day to celebrate Irish heritage and get hammered.

BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.
2014-03-17 05:09:12 PM  
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patrick767: papatex: Oh look. Another one of these stories again....

What's getting tiresome in my mind is some people are "allowed" to have a public opinion and some people aren't...

If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...

Wrong. You are a bigot if you deny rights to and discriminate against gays. You are a bigot if you see gays as inferior to other people. If you're having a giant farking community parade and you specifically exclude gay people, then yes, that also suggests a bigoted motive.

And just to be clear, anti-gay Christians see being gay as rather worse than just "not making sense". They see it as a sin, as something that is against God, at a minimum.

If I'm a LGBT and my opinion is there is no God, it's just their opinion...

What an odd way to put it. Like straight people, some LGBT people believe in God or gods, some don't.

I'm not saying I get bullied, nor will I ever say that, but let's all make sure we realize its a two way street and regardless of if you like it or not, the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.

Of course they can. They can also reap the consequences of their decision.

No, you didn't say you're getting bullied, but you did claim a double standard is being used against you. It suggests that you feel persecuted, which is patently absurd.


So this goes for those with the opinion against the LGBT community, but the LGBT community shouldn't have to deal with the "consequences" of their decisions?

No, I'm not bullied, nor am I persecuted. But you further my point by automatically assuming that notion based on my opinion..
2014-03-17 05:08:59 PM  
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Where will this end? Guinness pulls out of religious parade bullied by gay orgs who try to take it over. Hope all Irish boycott the stuff

2 things:
1. How is the St. Patrick's Day parade religious? I always thought the holiday/parade was more about Irish  heritage (and, for some, getting extremely drunk). Yes, I am well aware that St. Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland, and that there are religious groups there. I bet there are religious groups at gay pride parades too. Disclaimer: I am neither Irish nor was I raised Christian (entirely Ashkenazi Jewish heritage).
2. Good luck with that. Ireland's holding a marriage equality referendum, and things aren't looking too good for supporters of "traditional marriage". Plus, you know, it's Guinness. I hear the Irish love that stuff.
2014-03-17 05:08:18 PM  
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mark12A: Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.


Why is "You know how mommy and daddy love eachother? Gay people are just two mommies or two daddies who love each other just like that" considered such a difficult thing to explain?

Oh, right, you think being gay is a "kink", despite all evidence to the contrary. Because you're a bigoted pile of shiat.
2014-03-17 05:05:28 PM  
1 vote:
holyfamilyparishportola.org

A Christian saint, who  Christianized Ireland with  Christianbeliefs
2014-03-17 05:03:35 PM  
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SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.


So no "Kiss me (even though you're a guy and I'm a guy) I'm Irish!" signs?
2014-03-17 05:02:51 PM  
1 vote:

papatex: If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense and I fight to make sure gay people are not afforded equal rights, I'm a bigot...


ftfy
2014-03-17 04:59:55 PM  
1 vote:
The whole thing that equates "being gay" with "sex" is so gosh darn stupid that I honestly can't tell if it's a genuine opinion people hold or trolling.
2014-03-17 04:58:32 PM  
1 vote:

mark12A: People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?


being gay is a "kink?"
2014-03-17 04:57:15 PM  
1 vote:
Honest question... why do lunch erals have to resort to this. Nobody is banning gays and lesbians. They at banning needless politics at a parade about being drunk. God Damn people. Grow up.
2014-03-17 04:56:13 PM  
1 vote:
Yeah, gays are totally not banned from the parade.

They're just not allowed to identify as being gay in any way.  They have to hide among the other tolerance groups and not let anyone know who or what they are.

Because hiding your gays is totally the same as accepting them as human beings, and is in no way similar to what the Russians were doing during the Olympics.
2014-03-17 04:56:07 PM  
1 vote:
Bear in mind that this same man owns Fox Broadcasting, which was declared by GLAAD to be the most gay-friendly network, and is filled with raunchy anti-family shows.
2014-03-17 04:54:25 PM  
1 vote:
I'm not gay, but if a good looking dude wants to suck my cock.. I'll trying anything at least once.
2014-03-17 04:53:37 PM  
1 vote:
Tomorrow's headline: Rupert Murdoch bought call options on Diageo (makers of Guinness) before calling for Guinness boycott.
2014-03-17 04:50:46 PM  
1 vote:
If Rupert Murdoch hates it, it must be doing the right thing
2014-03-17 04:49:48 PM  
1 vote:
I'm buying 2 cases.

Difficulty: I don't drink.
2014-03-17 04:46:52 PM  
1 vote:
I'm going to pour a Guinness right now.

mmmm..... Guinness
2014-03-17 04:45:44 PM  
1 vote:
Arguably one of the greatest atrocities humanity has committed in the last 40-50 years is handing the criminal idiot Murdoch and his companies billions of dollars to lie to and misrepresent humanity.
2014-03-17 04:44:59 PM  
1 vote:
Gay people like to drink. A lot. And the Irish would buy beer from the devil. Sounds like the right call fro Guinness.
2014-03-17 04:41:57 PM  
1 vote:

URAPNIS: goodness, Coors Light


You've got comedy chops, I'll give you that.
2014-03-17 04:40:42 PM  
1 vote:
Meh. I don't drink that crap anyway.
You'll have to pry the rocky mountain goodness, Coors Light, out of my cold dead hands though.
2014-03-17 04:35:47 PM  
1 vote:
Sorry, Rupert, even if I did stand with you on the wrong side of history, Guinness is the only beer I've never gotten a headache from. That makes it liquid gold in my book.
2014-03-17 04:35:11 PM  
1 vote:

Rwa2play: Hey Rupert, thanks for that.  Now I'm gonna buy a six-pack of Guinness as a way of saying "FARK YOU!"

/clownshowed Aussie twat


I have a feeling he has a massive amount of stock in Guinness...
2014-03-17 04:34:37 PM  
1 vote:

exick: Oh Michele. The only bullying you've experienced at the hands of the LGBT community is when Marcus refuses to go to "the icky place".


Fresno?
2014-03-17 04:34:27 PM  
1 vote:
Time to support these companies.

"Sordid, why did you bring home three six-packs of beer?"
"Supporting these fine companies, of course!"
"You already have some of this beer in the fridge."
"Well, yes, but that was purchased last week."
2014-03-17 04:33:19 PM  
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2014-03-17 04:32:53 PM  
1 vote:
Hey Rupert, thanks for that.  Now I'm gonna buy a six-pack of Guinness as a way of saying "FARK YOU!"

/clownshowed Aussie twat
2014-03-17 04:32:44 PM  
1 vote:
Who the fark is Rupert Murdoch?  Also, why is he still alive?
2014-03-17 04:07:43 PM  
1 vote:

Kome: worst form of tyranny and bullying when it furthers an agenda they disagree with.


Kinda like how I hear some saying that "Benghazi was the worst terror attack in our nation's history" and it happened on Obama's watch, so he's an evil murderer blah blah blah.

Apparently it doesn't matter that 9/11 happened on W's watch.  Maybe it wasn't a terrorist attack in their opinions.  I'd respectfully argue that it was much worse than anything that happened in Libya.
2014-03-17 03:52:45 PM  
1 vote:
Well, I wasn't going to go out for a pint tonight...Now, I feel I have to.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piss off, Rupert


This.
2014-03-17 03:32:20 PM  
1 vote:
More for me.
2014-03-17 03:13:06 PM  
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I vote we stick something in Rupert's pooper to see whether he really likes gay sex or not.
2014-03-17 03:04:16 PM  
1 vote:
i595.photobucket.com
2014-03-17 02:32:52 PM  
1 vote:
img.fark.net

totally not gay.
 
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