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(Salon)   Rupert Murdoch urges boycott of Guinness for pulling out of the NYC St. Patrick's Day Parade due to ban on gays and lesbians   (salon.com) divider line 313
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2014-03-18 02:57:14 PM
what if they used this in the parade?

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2014-03-18 03:13:33 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: A gay pride parade is not the same as a St. Patrick's day parade.


Exactly.  And the people running the parade plan to keep it that way.  That's what you're biatching about.
 
2014-03-18 03:28:02 PM

JuggleGeek: Some 'Splainin' To Do: A gay pride parade is not the same as a St. Patrick's day parade.

Exactly.  And the people running the parade plan to keep it that way.  That's what you're biatching about.


I see that you're the sort of person who cuts context from a post to make it seem like your reply is more reasonable and cogent than it actually is. We've already covered why singling out gay Irishmen is inconsistent with the parade's general theme of allowing most organizations into the parade solely on the basis that the membership is Irish, and you've consistently failed to address those arguments.

So let's put aside your "clever" attempt to change the topic.  Once again, your claim is that gays would act like they were at a pride parade rather than acting like they were in a St. Patrick's day parade.You've offered no argument for why we should accept your assumption, other than your sincere conviction that gay's have no option but to bring assless chaps to a parade.

So tell us, again, why you think that gay would participate in a St. Patrick's Day parade no differently then they would present themselves in a Pride parade. This time, try to use actual reasons. Those tend to improve an argument.
 
2014-03-18 04:33:24 PM

gerrymander: Edymnion: So just to be clear, everyone that is saying that its wrong for them to want to march simply as being Gay Irish also thinks it should be wrong for anyone to march as Irish Catholics, or Irish Republicans, or Irish Swing Dancers, right?

No, we're saying that it should be wrong to march as Catholic Irish, Republican Irish, or Swing Dancing Irish.

But here's the thing: the problem is that this situation exists exactly as you wrote it. The 'Irish' bit comes first for the Catholics, and the Republicans, and the Swing Dancers. The only ones who won't commit to setting their other identifier aside for a while are the gays.

The occasion is St. Patrick's Day. If you can't see it in your heart to put the Irish first and foremost for the few hours of the parade, you shouldn't be in the parade.


You know who thinks gays can march in St. Patrick's Day parades without messing up their Irishness? The Irish.
 
2014-03-18 05:15:34 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: We've already covered why singling out gay Irishmen is inconsistent with the parade's general theme of allowing most organizations into the parade solely on the basis that the membership is Irish, and you've consistently failed to address those arguments.


You haven't made a real argument.  You've ignored everything I've said and you've spouted a bunch of gibberish.

Bottom line, you and the gay boys want to use the parade to push your agenda.  The people running the parade don't want that.  It's their parade.

I've given examples of other things that are controversial where I suspect the people running the parade wouldn't allow it.  You ignored it and talked gibberish.

The bottom line is that you want to take the parade and turn it into a political statement, and it isn't your parade.

Once again, your claim is that gays would act like they were at a pride parade rather than acting like they were in a St. Patrick's day parade.You've offered no argument for why we should accept your assumption, other than your sincere conviction that gay's have no option but to bring assless chaps to a parade.

I haven't said that they have no option.  But yes, people do think of chaps and trannies when they think of a gay pride parade.  That's how you have chosen to portray yourselves.

You've consistently ignored my primary argument in order to be an asshole. IT IS NOT YOUR FARKING PARADE!

The guys who run the parade have a right to say "No, we don't want to be your political platform".  I'd be just as fine with it if they choose to allow it - because it's their parade.

I'm pretty sure your just being a dick to be a dick at this point.
 
2014-03-18 05:51:21 PM

gerrymander: Edymnion: So just to be clear, everyone that is saying that its wrong for them to want to march simply as being Gay Irish also thinks it should be wrong for anyone to march as Irish Catholics, or Irish Republicans, or Irish Swing Dancers, right?

No, we're saying that it should be wrong to march as Catholic Irish, Republican Irish, or Swing Dancing Irish.

But here's the thing: the problem is that this situation exists exactly as you wrote it. The 'Irish' bit comes first for the Catholics, and the Republicans, and the Swing Dancers. The only ones who won't commit to setting their other identifier aside for a while are the gays.


And you can keep saying that lie over and over until your fingers fall off, but it's not going to fool anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
 
2014-03-18 05:53:27 PM

JuggleGeek: Bottom line, you and the gay boys want to use the parade to push your agenda.


They asked to be in it.  They were told no.  That's only pushing to someone that thinks like a bigot.

JuggleGeek: But yes, people do think of chaps and trannies when they think of a gay pride parade.  That's how you have chosen to portray yourselves.


No, that's how you choose to preceive us.  Just like people used to perceive blacks as rapists that were after your daughters.  This is the side of history you are on.

JuggleGeek: You've consistently ignored my primary argument in order to be an asshole. IT IS NOT YOUR FARKING PARADE!


It's held on public streets paid for in part by the people they are excluding.  They want to have it on private lands, fine.  Until then they've gone and made it public.

JuggleGeek: I'm pretty sure your just being a dick to be a dick at this point.


Pot, meet kettle.
 
2014-03-18 05:58:51 PM

snarfyboy: o, that's how you choose to preceive us. Just like people used to perceive blacks as rapists that were after your daughters. This is the side of history you are on.


Apparently, every gay guy in this thread is a lying asshole.

Luckily, I know real life gays who don't act the way you guys do.  If I had to judge gays based on the crap you guys are saying, it wouldn't make you look good at all.
 
2014-03-18 06:30:17 PM

JuggleGeek: Apparently, every gay guy in this thread is a lying asshole.

Luckily, I know real life gays who don't act the way you guys do.  If I had to judge gays based on the crap you guys are saying, it wouldn't make you look good at all.


Oh, you must know all the gays!

Please, by all means, bring them into this thread so they can tell us all how they agree with you.  Have them tell me how they are all a bunch of chap-wearing-trannies that believe in the Irish rights.  Because that's what you are saying.
 
2014-03-18 06:37:44 PM
Oh and don't think I didn't notice that you didn't address a single counterpoint and instead went on the ad hominem attack path.
 
2014-03-18 07:59:29 PM

snarfyboy: Because that's what you are saying.


No, that's not what I'm saying.  It's what you're pretending that I'm saying.
 
2014-03-18 08:03:36 PM
It is exactly what you said. A simple looking back through the comments might refresh your memory.
 
2014-03-18 11:28:07 PM
It's funny how all of the arguments here talk about how gays should have the right to be in a parade.  I'm 100% certain that if any homosexual wanted to be driving a classic car or wave from a Guinness float, nobody would have a problem with it.

Lets be honest here.  A gay pride float shouldn't be in a parade for the same reason a heterosexual sodomy float shouldn't be.
 
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