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(Salon)   Rupert Murdoch urges boycott of Guinness for pulling out of the NYC St. Patrick's Day Parade due to ban on gays and lesbians   (salon.com) divider line 313
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2014-03-17 02:32:52 PM
img.fark.net

totally not gay.
 
2014-03-17 02:44:08 PM
Oh Michele. The only bullying you've experienced at the hands of the LGBT community is when Marcus refuses to go to "the icky place".
 
2014-03-17 02:44:15 PM
Help, we're being oppressed!
 
2014-03-17 03:04:16 PM
i595.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-17 03:13:06 PM
I vote we stick something in Rupert's pooper to see whether he really likes gay sex or not.
 
2014-03-17 03:32:20 PM
More for me.
 
2014-03-17 03:40:54 PM
Piss off, Rupert
 
2014-03-17 03:52:45 PM
Well, I wasn't going to go out for a pint tonight...Now, I feel I have to.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piss off, Rupert


This.
 
2014-03-17 03:54:21 PM
I know what I'll be drinking tonight : )

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Good job Guinness!
 
2014-03-17 03:55:21 PM
Hold on. Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business? And isn't this exactly what we're seeing happen here? And now they're lamenting it?
 
2014-03-17 04:00:15 PM

kronicfeld: Hold on. Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business? And isn't this exactly what we're seeing happen here? And now they're lamenting it?



"That doesn't make any sense" doesn't really have any effect on them.
 
2014-03-17 04:00:27 PM

FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 400x394]

totally not gay.


How is that gay?
 
2014-03-17 04:00:40 PM

kronicfeld: Hold on. Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business? And isn't this exactly what we're seeing happen here? And now they're lamenting it?


Of course. It's the glory of the sacred free market when it furthers their agenda, it's the worst form of tyranny and bullying when it furthers an agenda they disagree with.
 
2014-03-17 04:04:27 PM

kronicfeld: Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business


Yep.  It's so hypocritical it often seems like satire.

They think this:
Laws Banning Discrimination Against Homosexuals = Bad and unnecessary because the free market will dictate which businesses succeed or fail.
Laws Banning Discrimination Against any other Minority Group = Bad and unnecessary (see above.)
Laws Banning Discrimination Against Conservative Christians = Good, because this particular group is getting bullied by (insert minority here.)  Without these laws, people can't practice their sincerely-held beliefs, blah blah blah.
 
2014-03-17 04:07:43 PM

Kome: worst form of tyranny and bullying when it furthers an agenda they disagree with.


Kinda like how I hear some saying that "Benghazi was the worst terror attack in our nation's history" and it happened on Obama's watch, so he's an evil murderer blah blah blah.

Apparently it doesn't matter that 9/11 happened on W's watch.  Maybe it wasn't a terrorist attack in their opinions.  I'd respectfully argue that it was much worse than anything that happened in Libya.
 
2014-03-17 04:17:01 PM
Turnabout is fair play, although this is yet another one of those signs of the shifted tide that can only be ignored in the present and will be embarrassing looking back from the future.
 
2014-03-17 04:26:49 PM

kronicfeld: And now they're lamenting it?


I would protest by boycotting FOX News and the Wall Street Journal, but I do that already.
 
2014-03-17 04:32:22 PM
Crap...I was trying not to drink today but apparently I need to go and buy some Guinness.
 
2014-03-17 04:32:44 PM
Who the fark is Rupert Murdoch?  Also, why is he still alive?
 
2014-03-17 04:32:53 PM
Hey Rupert, thanks for that.  Now I'm gonna buy a six-pack of Guinness as a way of saying "FARK YOU!"

/clownshowed Aussie twat
 
2014-03-17 04:33:19 PM
 
2014-03-17 04:33:29 PM
Burp.

You heard me, Stewie's gay teddy.
 
2014-03-17 04:34:00 PM
weknowmemes.com
 
2014-03-17 04:34:24 PM
"My goodness! My gayness!"
 
2014-03-17 04:34:27 PM
Time to support these companies.

"Sordid, why did you bring home three six-packs of beer?"
"Supporting these fine companies, of course!"
"You already have some of this beer in the fridge."
"Well, yes, but that was purchased last week."
 
2014-03-17 04:34:37 PM

exick: Oh Michele. The only bullying you've experienced at the hands of the LGBT community is when Marcus refuses to go to "the icky place".


Fresno?
 
GBB
2014-03-17 04:34:58 PM
Rupert owns a lot of stock in Guinness, so by asking for a boycott because they stand up for the LGBT community, it will urge LGBT supporters to fly a middle finger in Rupert's face and buy lots o' Guinness and thus increase the value of his holdings.

Good job... ish?
 
2014-03-17 04:35:11 PM

Rwa2play: Hey Rupert, thanks for that.  Now I'm gonna buy a six-pack of Guinness as a way of saying "FARK YOU!"

/clownshowed Aussie twat


I have a feeling he has a massive amount of stock in Guinness...
 
2014-03-17 04:35:26 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-17 04:35:28 PM
In related news, everyone continues their boycott of Rupert Murdoch.
 
2014-03-17 04:35:47 PM
Sorry, Rupert, even if I did stand with you on the wrong side of history, Guinness is the only beer I've never gotten a headache from. That makes it liquid gold in my book.
 
2014-03-17 04:36:05 PM
To quote William from Mallrats.

"You dumb bastard!"
 
2014-03-17 04:36:18 PM
I hope Murdoch never drinks another Guinness, Heineken or Sameul Adams again.  He can suck on Schlitz.
 
2014-03-17 04:36:38 PM

GBB: Rupert owns a lot of stock in Guinness, so by asking for a boycott because they stand up for the LGBT community, it will urge LGBT supporters to fly a middle finger in Rupert's face and buy lots o' Guinness and thus increase the value of his holdings.

Good job... ish?


Okay, better idea:  "Rupert, if you're calling on a boycott of Guinness, why don't you start by divesting yourself in their stock?"

Practice what you preach...and all that jazz.
 
2014-03-17 04:37:49 PM
Like the Irish are going to listen to anyone, much less an Australian, who says, "Stop drinking!"
 
GBB
2014-03-17 04:37:59 PM

ambassador_ahab: Kome: worst form of tyranny and bullying when it furthers an agenda they disagree with.

Kinda like how I hear some saying that "Benghazi was the worst terror attack in our nation's history" and it happened on Obama's watch, so he's an evil murderer blah blah blah.

Apparently it doesn't matter that 9/11 happened on W's watch.  Maybe it wasn't a terrorist attack in their opinions.  I'd respectfully argue that it was much worse than anything that happened in Libya.


No, Behghazi was bad because Obama didn't go to the embassy with a bullhorn and a hard hat, or something.
 
2014-03-17 04:38:05 PM

God-is-a-Taco: FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 400x394]

totally not gay.

How is that gay?


He said it wasn't.
 
2014-03-17 04:40:31 PM
Who cares?  NYC's parade isn't even the best one.  Guiness, you're more than welcome to come sponsor the Savannah parade.
 
2014-03-17 04:40:33 PM
For every Guinness Murdoch followers do not drink, I shall drink two. So there.

/doing my part
//for the greater good
 
2014-03-17 04:40:42 PM
Meh. I don't drink that crap anyway.
You'll have to pry the rocky mountain goodness, Coors Light, out of my cold dead hands though.
 
2014-03-17 04:41:44 PM
Oh look. Another one of these stories again....

What's getting tiresome in my mind is some people are "allowed" to have a public opinion and some people aren't...

If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...

If I'm a LGBT and my opinion is there is no God, it's just their opinion...

I'm not saying I get bullied, nor will I ever say that, but let's all make sure we realize its a two way street and regardless of if you like it or not, the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.
 
2014-03-17 04:41:57 PM

URAPNIS: goodness, Coors Light


You've got comedy chops, I'll give you that.
 
2014-03-17 04:42:35 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I vote we stick something in Rupert's pooper to see whether he really likes gay sex or not.


I'll see ya, and raise you a double-down:

Santorum/santorum
 
2014-03-17 04:42:40 PM

AeAe: Who the fark is Rupert Murdoch?  Also, why is he still alive?


Because evil lives a long time.
 
2014-03-17 04:43:12 PM
You know who will join a Fox news boycott against anything? Seniors about to croak anyhow. Nothing to see here. Move along.
 
2014-03-17 04:43:30 PM

papatex: the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.


Correct, as can the beer makers, regardless of a few pants-wetting conservative types.
 
2014-03-17 04:43:57 PM
I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.
 
2014-03-17 04:44:26 PM

URAPNIS: Meh. I don't drink that crap anyway.
You'll have to pry the rocky mountain goodness, Coors Light, out of my cold dead hands though.


how bout we leave it in your hand to keep in cold until we are ready to drink it?
 
2014-03-17 04:44:50 PM

SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.


I could use a helpful picture of what a sex sign looks like.
 
2014-03-17 04:44:59 PM
Gay people like to drink. A lot. And the Irish would buy beer from the devil. Sounds like the right call fro Guinness.
 
2014-03-17 04:45:06 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: exick: Oh Michele. The only bullying you've experienced at the hands of the LGBT community is when Marcus refuses to go to "the icky place".

Fresno?

No, but just as dry and depressing.
 
2014-03-17 04:45:17 PM
About an hour until get my hands wrapped around a pint.

Sláinte.
 
2014-03-17 04:45:38 PM
Here is wishing colon cancer upon him. Fark anybody named rupert.
 
2014-03-17 04:45:44 PM
Arguably one of the greatest atrocities humanity has committed in the last 40-50 years is handing the criminal idiot Murdoch and his companies billions of dollars to lie to and misrepresent humanity.
 
2014-03-17 04:46:00 PM

Farce-Side: Who cares?  NYC's parade isn't even the best one.  Guiness, you're more than welcome to come sponsor the Savannah parade.


It has been 15 years since I have been to the Savannah St Patrick's Day Parade, do women still target soldiers marching in the parade and cover them in lipstick by the end of the parade route?  That was always hilarious to watch.
 
2014-03-17 04:46:27 PM

Yanks_RSJ: About an hour until get my hands wrapped around a pint.

Sláinte.


Hour and a half here. going for Whiskey.
 
2014-03-17 04:46:31 PM
Parade Float for next year:

cdn.shopify.com
 
2014-03-17 04:46:52 PM
I'm going to pour a Guinness right now.

mmmm..... Guinness
 
2014-03-17 04:47:00 PM

Farce-Side: SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.

I could use a helpful picture of what a sex sign looks like.


O->
 
2014-03-17 04:47:01 PM
Nobody is being banned from the parade because they're gay.

The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality. People accept gays, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Just give it a rest already. People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?
 
2014-03-17 04:47:04 PM
For every Guinness a bigot doesn't drink, I'll drink three.

Just kidding, I was going to drink them anyway.
 
2014-03-17 04:47:27 PM
They banned gays and lesbians...

Again I ask myself, have we really evolved as a species since the 50's.
 
2014-03-17 04:47:28 PM
Damn those gays for bullying me into wanting to suck dick and hanging out in airport restrooms.

Me and my wide stance would be fine if it wasn't for them *forcing* me to acknowledge their existence
 
2014-03-17 04:47:35 PM

Farce-Side: papatex: the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.

Correct, as can the beer makers, regardless of a few pants-wetting conservative types.


I get it. Cause they aren't potty trained. So they went potty in their pants.

BTW- at first glance, I thought the picture of Rupert made him look like death...
 
2014-03-17 04:47:49 PM

Rann Xerox: AeAe: Who the fark is Rupert Murdoch?  Also, why is he still alive?

Because evil lives a long time.


That old asshole can't go on for much longer.
 
2014-03-17 04:48:35 PM

papatex: If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...


Calling you on your bullshiat here.

I don't care if you think being gay makes sense or not. But when you attempt to legislate your religion, I care. I care a great deal.
I don't care if someone says there's a god, or even if according to that god, I'm going to some eternal torment. Deliver your message, and move on. But when you continue to harass and harangue, you are breaking the law. Stop it.
I don't care if the end times come and this god of yours is revealed to be the actual creator of the universe and all us blind, misled fools will now suffer for it. If your god was worthy of worship, he would have been worshipped.

So, say homosexuality doesn't make sense. Even tell others that it upsets and revolts you. But don't stand in the way of a secular nation when it tries to ensure that ALL of its citizens have EQUAL rights.
 
2014-03-17 04:48:43 PM

Farce-Side: URAPNIS: goodness, Coors Light

You've got comedy chops, I'll give you that.


Or he's got no taste buds.  That's always possible.
 
2014-03-17 04:49:02 PM
I really don't understand the connection between the gays and the Irish but it seems that trying to keep the gays out of a parade would be about as successful as trying to keep them out of musical theater.  It will just piss them off and make the parade less entertaining.
 
2014-03-17 04:49:09 PM
Why the fark do they need to AW in another damned parade?  St. Patrick's Day has NOTHING to do with whether you prefer penises or vaginas.

You've pretty much won the marriage thing.  You can force people to bake cakes for your wedding upon pain of poverty.  You've got parades in every major city every year in your honor. What the fark else do you want?  No one GIVES a fark about the fact that you're gay, we're just farking sick and tired of hearing you biatch all the damned time.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something.

It doesn't.  Congratulations, you're gay.  Now STFU and GBTW.
 
2014-03-17 04:49:25 PM

Farce-Side: SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.

I could use a helpful picture of what a sex sign looks like.


img.fark.net

If she orders that, it's a sign that you are getting some.
 
2014-03-17 04:49:48 PM
I'm buying 2 cases.

Difficulty: I don't drink.
 
2014-03-17 04:50:46 PM
If Rupert Murdoch hates it, it must be doing the right thing
 
2014-03-17 04:50:51 PM
I'll get right on that, as soon as I'm done the four-pack in my fridge.
 
2014-03-17 04:51:24 PM

IlGreven: I'm buying 2 cases.

Difficulty: I don't drink.


Hey, good idea.  I don't drink either, but I do need beer occasionally to cook brats
 
2014-03-17 04:51:37 PM
Yeah, call for a boycott of Guinness on St. Patrick's Day. I'm sure that'll work.
 
2014-03-17 04:51:55 PM

jst3p: Farce-Side: SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.

I could use a helpful picture of what a sex sign looks like.

[img.fark.net image 276x183]

If she orders that, it's a sign that you are getting some paying for the meal.

 
2014-03-17 04:52:07 PM
Next year if the ban continues, I suggest someone enter the parade with an utterly mundane looking float celebrating the usual bullshiat. Then as they pass the viewing stand, drop the sides to reveal a bunch of oiled up men in leather gstrings gyrating and grinding away to some gay anthem. Just for the laugh.
 
2014-03-17 04:53:37 PM
Tomorrow's headline: Rupert Murdoch bought call options on Diageo (makers of Guinness) before calling for Guinness boycott.
 
2014-03-17 04:53:57 PM

R.A.Danny: More for me.


More gays? OH...beer. you mean beer. don't you?
 
2014-03-17 04:54:25 PM
I'm not gay, but if a good looking dude wants to suck my cock.. I'll trying anything at least once.
 
2014-03-17 04:54:27 PM
Just the idea of having gey sex with Rupert while marching in a parade with a Guiness in hand seems a little complicated. Just chewing gum and walking is the best I can attempt sober.  And that's only if there are no Leprechauns underfoot.
 
2014-03-17 04:54:31 PM

God-is-a-Taco: FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 400x394]

totally not gay.

How is that gay?


In my dreams he is.  *sigh*
 
2014-03-17 04:54:43 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Piss off, on Rupert

 
2014-03-17 04:54:58 PM

papatex: Oh look. Another one of these stories again....

What's getting tiresome in my mind is some people are "allowed" to have a public opinion and some people aren't...

If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...

If I'm a LGBT and my opinion is there is no God, it's just their opinion...

I'm not saying I get bullied, nor will I ever say that, but let's all make sure we realize its a two way street and regardless of if you like it or not, the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.


I don't think your examples are very good. In both cases the people are allowed to have their opinions. And no one is a bigot for thinking that being gay "doesn't make sense." I'm straight, so being gay "doesn't make sense" to me, but I wouldn't deny others rights because of it. People who would are rightfully called bigots, but they still get to voice their stupid, bigoted opinions.

And if you don't think Christians have a tendency to treat atheists abhorrently, you haven't read much history.

Finally, the parade organizers cannot do as they please. They can do whatever they can do with the sponsorship money they collect. Fewer sponsors means less money, so they can do less.
 
2014-03-17 04:55:07 PM

mark12A: he parade doesn't want organized

Gay Girl ScoutGroups in the parade advertising their sexuality girl-scoutedness. People accept GaysGirl Scouts, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay Girl Scout groups waving their dicks cookies in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, GIRL SCOUTS ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays Girl Scouts are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

yup.  its not anti gay, its just that firefighters, veterans, girl scouts, local high schoolers etc. can all "call attention to themselves in an ostensibly Irish parade and its cool, but if gays do it its "WHY MUST THEY MAKE SUCH A BIG SHOW!!"  Totally not a sign of a belief in an inherent problem with gays . . .
 
2014-03-17 04:55:58 PM
Not a fan of the beer, but I'll toss back a few tonight in Rupert's honor.
 
2014-03-17 04:56:07 PM
Bear in mind that this same man owns Fox Broadcasting, which was declared by GLAAD to be the most gay-friendly network, and is filled with raunchy anti-family shows.
 
2014-03-17 04:56:13 PM
Yeah, gays are totally not banned from the parade.

They're just not allowed to identify as being gay in any way.  They have to hide among the other tolerance groups and not let anyone know who or what they are.

Because hiding your gays is totally the same as accepting them as human beings, and is in no way similar to what the Russians were doing during the Olympics.
 
2014-03-17 04:56:36 PM

papatex: If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...


I'm straight and being gay doesn't make sense to me. If it did, I'd be gay (or bi).

If you're straight or Christian or turtle or poor or confused or fertile - what you think about gayness matters less than what you think about god. The problem comes in when you try and apply laws unequally (as in the case of marriages and such), or create a set of laws to allow unequal treatment of gays and lesbians.

They have just as much right to live as you do, whether or not their life makes sense to you. Don't like what's on their plate? Don't eat off their plate.

// hell, being Christian makes no sense to me, either
 
2014-03-17 04:57:15 PM
Honest question... why do lunch erals have to resort to this. Nobody is banning gays and lesbians. They at banning needless politics at a parade about being drunk. God Damn people. Grow up.
 
2014-03-17 04:57:31 PM
Please provide a list of anything this asshole, Rupert Murdoch, has his sticky fingers in so I may boycott those products.

You may forgo the fish wrappers, I don't eat Shait in a cone.
 
2014-03-17 04:58:00 PM
OK....why exactly does everybody feel they need to be included in something that has nothing to do with them...? I don't get offended when I can't put my big brown prostate float in the Komen/Speilman mammogram parade, and I'm pretty sure it would cause an uproar if I tried that...so, why? Just stay home, or just put on a green shirt and march along with the rest of us plain old people as if you're a human. You don't need to be separate and special on this one day that doesn't deal with where you want to stick it...I'm over it, you can also get over it.
 
2014-03-17 04:58:16 PM
small question

How can someone be openly gay? O_o I mean aside from clipping on rainbow nipple rings while shooting rainbows from their ass?

/is gay so its ok to say
 
2014-03-17 04:58:20 PM
I got my Guinness bar towel.
 
2014-03-17 04:58:32 PM

mark12A: People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?


being gay is a "kink?"
 
2014-03-17 04:58:35 PM

mark12A: Nobody is being banned from the parade because they're gay.

The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality. People accept gays, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Just give it a rest already. People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?


This
 
2014-03-17 04:58:45 PM
That does it, I'm taking up drinking.  For every Guinness you don't drink, I'm having two.

/same goes for Sam Adams
 
2014-03-17 04:58:56 PM

kronicfeld: Hold on. Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business? And isn't this exactly what we're seeing happen here? And now they're lamenting it?


No. They told you how idiotic liberals are when it comes to reading a law.

If liberals couldn't work in hyperbole they would have nothing left.
 
2014-03-17 04:59:19 PM
I'm for boycotting Murdoch for boycotting Guinness for boycotting the NY St. Patrick Parade for boycotting the Gay. Just gotta fit that on a sign.
 
2014-03-17 04:59:53 PM
When did "bullying" get redefined as "trying to make someone do something they don't want to"?
 
2014-03-17 04:59:55 PM
The whole thing that equates "being gay" with "sex" is so gosh darn stupid that I honestly can't tell if it's a genuine opinion people hold or trolling.
 
2014-03-17 05:00:05 PM

mark12A: The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality.


i assume they're also banning other displays of sexuality, such as buttons/shirts that say, "f*ck me, i'm irish," right?
 
2014-03-17 05:00:15 PM

papatex: Oh look. Another one of these stories again....

What's getting tiresome in my mind is some people are "allowed" to have a public opinion and some people aren't...

If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...


Wrong. You are a bigot if you deny rights to and discriminate against gays. You are a bigot if you see gays as inferior to other people. If you're having a giant farking community parade and you specifically exclude gay people, then yes, that also suggests a bigoted motive.

And just to be clear, anti-gay Christians see being gay as rather worse than just "not making sense". They see it as a sin, as something that is against God, at a minimum.

If I'm a LGBT and my opinion is there is no God, it's just their opinion...

What an odd way to put it. Like straight people, some LGBT people believe in God or gods, some don't.

I'm not saying I get bullied, nor will I ever say that, but let's all make sure we realize its a two way street and regardless of if you like it or not, the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.

Of course they can. They can also reap the consequences of their decision.

No, you didn't say you're getting bullied, but you did claim a double standard is being used against you. It suggests that you feel persecuted, which is patently absurd.
 
2014-03-17 05:01:32 PM

FlashHarry: mark12A: People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?

being gay is a "kink?"


Only if they're having a lot of fun at it.
 
2014-03-17 05:01:43 PM
Yes! I encourage every Teabagger, Soccer Mom, and all-around right wing retard out there to boycott Guinness! The the company can show photos from CPAC and Teabagger rallies with the caption "THESE PEOPLE HATE GUINESS". Sales will farking skyrocket within the week!
 
2014-03-17 05:02:01 PM

jst3p: Farce-Side: SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.

I could use a helpful picture of what a sex sign looks like.

[img.fark.net image 276x183]

If she orders that, it's a sign that you are getting some.


If she orders that, it's a sign my toilet is going to be clogged later tonight.
 
2014-03-17 05:02:15 PM

Lord Farkwad: I got my Guinness bar towel.


I'm not buying Guinness again until my bar towel shows up.  I've been waiting over a decade, and I can keep waiting.  I should probably let them know I've moved 3 times since then so they have my address.
 
2014-03-17 05:02:51 PM

papatex: If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense and I fight to make sure gay people are not afforded equal rights, I'm a bigot...


ftfy
 
2014-03-17 05:02:59 PM
Hobby Lobby fights the Affordable Care Act because provisions of the law conflict with the owners religious beliefs: OK.  Guinness choosing not to sponsor an event due to said event discriminating against a specific demographic group of which some of their employees and customers may belong to: morally wrong.  I was under the impression that Murdoch and crew want businesses to be able to operate as they see fit but I guess I was wrong.
 
2014-03-17 05:03:10 PM
It should be noted that gays are every bit as much fun to drink with as the Irish.

/But they're always after me lucky charms.
 
2014-03-17 05:03:19 PM
i'm surprised murdoch wants to boycott something strong, thick and black with cream coming out of the top.
 
2014-03-17 05:03:35 PM

SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.


So no "Kiss me (even though you're a guy and I'm a guy) I'm Irish!" signs?
 
2014-03-17 05:03:55 PM
While I fully support marriage equality and equal benefits when it comes to federal laws that support/protect heterosexual married couples (i.e. death benefits, end of life decisions, etc), I am getting  really tired of the attention whore segment of the current LGBT movement. Why does everything have to be such a farking spectacle. I don't care for seeing straight couples making out in public any more than I enjoy seeing gay couples do it. The more outlandish the displays of their dick wavings get, the less I honestly want to support the cause.
 
2014-03-17 05:04:13 PM

vudukungfu: Please provide a list of anything this asshole, Rupert Murdoch, has his sticky fingers in so I may boycott those products.

You may forgo the fish wrappers, I don't eat Shait in a cone.


i.imgur.com

Includes skipping the next X-Men movie
 
2014-03-17 05:04:17 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: They banned gays and lesbians...

Again I ask myself, have we really evolved as a species since the 50's.


No.  Our culture has improved a bit, and so has education, but we're genetically still the same hairless apes.
 
2014-03-17 05:04:34 PM

exick: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: exick: Oh Michele. The only bullying you've experienced at the hands of the LGBT community is when Marcus refuses to go to "the icky place".

Fresno?
No, but just as dry and depressing.


Bakersfield, then.
 
2014-03-17 05:04:59 PM

FlashHarry: i'm surprised murdoch wants to boycott something strong, thick and black with cream coming out of the top.


First he cancels The Cleveland Show, now this.
 
2014-03-17 05:05:23 PM
Here's the new slogan for Guinness 'Every Guinness you drink makes Rupert Murdoch cry."
 
2014-03-17 05:05:28 PM
holyfamilyparishportola.org

A Christian saint, who  Christianized Ireland with  Christianbeliefs
 
2014-03-17 05:06:37 PM

Ted_Peppy: mark12A: Nobody is being banned from the parade because they're gay.

The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality. People accept gays, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Just give it a rest already. People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?

This



This.  The parade doesn't ban gays - it bans groups marching behind gay banners.  You can still wear your green sequin speedo and feather boa, but you'll need to march with the rest of the Young Republicans.
 
2014-03-17 05:06:47 PM

JesusJuice: When did "bullying" get redefined as "trying to make someone do something they don't want to"?


Since forever. Now hand over your lunch money.
 
2014-03-17 05:08:15 PM
I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.
 
2014-03-17 05:08:18 PM

mark12A: Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.


Why is "You know how mommy and daddy love eachother? Gay people are just two mommies or two daddies who love each other just like that" considered such a difficult thing to explain?

Oh, right, you think being gay is a "kink", despite all evidence to the contrary. Because you're a bigoted pile of shiat.
 
2014-03-17 05:08:59 PM
Just to be devil's advocate, I feel the need to point out that Rupert issuing a tweet wishing the Irish(-Americans?) will stop buying Guinness is hardly "urging a boycott". I mean, he controls all the media. I think if he wanted to urge a boycott, we'd hardly see his fingerprints on it by the time his mindless drones took action. Assuming he still has fingerprints.

/carry on bashing Fox, i'm no fan
//except for Bob's Burgers, Always Sunny, Archer and The Simpsons
 
2014-03-17 05:08:59 PM
Where will this end? Guinness pulls out of religious parade bullied by gay orgs who try to take it over. Hope all Irish boycott the stuff

2 things:
1. How is the St. Patrick's Day parade religious? I always thought the holiday/parade was more about Irish  heritage (and, for some, getting extremely drunk). Yes, I am well aware that St. Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland, and that there are religious groups there. I bet there are religious groups at gay pride parades too. Disclaimer: I am neither Irish nor was I raised Christian (entirely Ashkenazi Jewish heritage).
2. Good luck with that. Ireland's holding a marriage equality referendum, and things aren't looking too good for supporters of "traditional marriage". Plus, you know, it's Guinness. I hear the Irish love that stuff.
 
2014-03-17 05:09:12 PM

patrick767: papatex: Oh look. Another one of these stories again....

What's getting tiresome in my mind is some people are "allowed" to have a public opinion and some people aren't...

If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...

Wrong. You are a bigot if you deny rights to and discriminate against gays. You are a bigot if you see gays as inferior to other people. If you're having a giant farking community parade and you specifically exclude gay people, then yes, that also suggests a bigoted motive.

And just to be clear, anti-gay Christians see being gay as rather worse than just "not making sense". They see it as a sin, as something that is against God, at a minimum.

If I'm a LGBT and my opinion is there is no God, it's just their opinion...

What an odd way to put it. Like straight people, some LGBT people believe in God or gods, some don't.

I'm not saying I get bullied, nor will I ever say that, but let's all make sure we realize its a two way street and regardless of if you like it or not, the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.

Of course they can. They can also reap the consequences of their decision.

No, you didn't say you're getting bullied, but you did claim a double standard is being used against you. It suggests that you feel persecuted, which is patently absurd.


So this goes for those with the opinion against the LGBT community, but the LGBT community shouldn't have to deal with the "consequences" of their decisions?

No, I'm not bullied, nor am I persecuted. But you further my point by automatically assuming that notion based on my opinion..
 
2014-03-17 05:09:30 PM
Somebody did a thing, so someone else did a thing, so someone else did a thing, and now someone wants me boycott a thing because of the thing somebody did to the people who did the thing.

Fark that. How about I do what I want, and you petty coonts can call me when you're done acting like goddamn children. Keep me out of your playground bullshiat.
 
2014-03-17 05:09:37 PM

boaris_grozny: OK....why exactly does everybody feel they need to be included in something that has nothing to do with them...?


It's not some random gay rights group that was booted. The St. Patrick's Day parade is organized by a veterans group. Gay veterans wanted to march. That's who the parade organizers stopped.
 
2014-03-17 05:09:43 PM

Clemkadidlefark: [holyfamilyparishportola.org image 465x600]

A Christian saint, who  Christianized Ireland with  Christianbeliefs


Remember how he drove the gays from Ireland?
 
2014-03-17 05:09:48 PM

Edymnion: Yeah, gays are totally not banned from the parade.

They're just not allowed to identify as being gay in any way.  They have to hide among the other tolerance groups and not let anyone know who or what they are.

Because hiding your gays is totally the same as accepting them as human beings, and is in no way similar to what the Russians were doing during the Olympics.


Oh STFU.  Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage. Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.

St. Patrick's day is not a political day. It is not a sexual day.  If ANYTHING, it's a religious day, but it's not that either.  It's just a day to celebrate Irish heritage and get hammered.

BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.
 
2014-03-17 05:09:58 PM
Occam's Nailfile:
 No one GIVES a fark about the fact that you're gay

What planet are you living on? This statement is completely false. Ask the people of Arizona if "no one gives a fark" about people being gay. Ask the many states that have or are trying to write bans on gay marriage and/or civil unions into their constitutions and laws. Ask the countless gay people who have seen very real discrimination. No one cares? Bullshiat.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something.

Blame the victim. Nice job, asshole.
 
2014-03-17 05:09:59 PM
From The Guiness Book of World Records 2014 Edition

World funkiest bum fart

(11 March 1931 - Present)

:upload.wikimedia.org


Phew! What a bum scortcher!

 
2014-03-17 05:10:08 PM

URAPNIS: Meh. I don't drink that crap anyway.
You'll have to pry the rocky mountain goodness, Coors Light, out of my cold dead hands though.


Funny you should mention that because the annual pride fest is apparently called the "Coors Light PrideFest."
 
2014-03-17 05:10:14 PM
ACCEPTABLE:

www.badideatshirts.com

JESUS, MARY, AND JOSEPH:

echodepiction.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-17 05:10:52 PM

LordJiro: mark12A: Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Why is "You know how mommy and daddy love eachother? Gay people are just two mommies or two daddies who love each other just like that" considered such a difficult thing to explain?

Oh, right, you think being gay is a "kink", despite all evidence to the contrary. Because you're a bigoted pile of shiat.


Hey look! More proof!
 
2014-03-17 05:11:03 PM
How about banning it because it is weak and tasteless?
 
2014-03-17 05:11:15 PM

Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.


Homosexuality is not all about sex. Just like heterosexual partnerships aren't all about sex. The fact that people whining about gay pride are so obsessed with the sexual aspect says more about the whiners than the actual gay people.
 
2014-03-17 05:11:29 PM

Occam's Nailfile: Oh STFU.  Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage. Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.


who's talking about sex?
 
2014-03-17 05:11:37 PM
Folks want to boycott Guinness? Go ahead. Free country. Much like folks protesting Chik-Fil-A or folks buying up their sandwiches because they took a stance.

In this case, I think it's sort of sad that folks are upset that Guinness is taking a stand against discrimination, and Murdoch is standing with folks who are against equality. Maybe that is a sign to avoid Murdoch's empire as well. Just a thought. Let him pour millions into political races, dump money into PACs, and let him try to stand against the tide of history. At least some of the money will trickle down a bit for a while...
 
2014-03-17 05:12:47 PM

Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.


So it's not the gay, it's the Pride. A deadly sin indeed.
/ by the way, sex is indeed family friendly. It's the most common path to being in the family-way.
 
2014-03-17 05:15:15 PM

FlashHarry: Occam's Nailfile: Oh STFU.  Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage. Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.

who's talking about sex?


Totally-not-repressed anti-gay folk are obsessed with gay sex. Thus, they assume openly gay people are obsessed with gay sex.
 
2014-03-17 05:15:20 PM
lilplatinum


How about banning it because it is weak and tasteless?


That leaves it open to sponsorship by Michelob Ultra.
 
2014-03-17 05:15:37 PM

Sidecrab: And sex is not 'family friendly'.


Neither are most St. Patrick Day's parades. I believe it was only 1-2 years ago Hoboken considered shutting the whole thing down due to out of control drunks. Would you take your kid to a random bar on St. Patrick's Day? It's a bad scene, in general. There's a reason regular bar goers refer to St. Patrick's Day and New Years as "amateur night."
 
2014-03-17 05:15:46 PM

boaris_grozny: OK....why exactly does everybody feel they need to be included in something that has nothing to do with them...? I don't get offended when I can't put my big brown prostate float in the Komen/Speilman mammogram parade, and I'm pretty sure it would cause an uproar if I tried that...so, why? Just stay home, or just put on a green shirt and march along with the rest of us plain old people as if you're a human. You don't need to be separate and special on this one day that doesn't deal with where you want to stick it...I'm over it, you can also get over it.

 
2014-03-17 05:16:26 PM

Occam's Nailfile: BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.


um... nobody is seriously making fun of "gingers." it's a silly meme.

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-17 05:16:44 PM

Occam's Nailfile: BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.


Nobody sincerely hates gingers.
 
2014-03-17 05:16:47 PM

papatex: LordJiro: mark12A: Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Why is "You know how mommy and daddy love eachother? Gay people are just two mommies or two daddies who love each other just like that" considered such a difficult thing to explain?

Oh, right, you think being gay is a "kink", despite all evidence to the contrary. Because you're a bigoted pile of shiat.

Hey look! More proof!


Hey look! A bigot whining about another bigot being called out!
 
2014-03-17 05:17:08 PM

Occam's Nailfile: Oh STFU.  Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage. Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.

St. Patrick's day is not a political day. It is not a sexual day.  If ANYTHING, it's a religious day, but it's not that either.  It's just a day to celebrate Irish heritage and get hammered.


So having to explain to your kid that gay people exist is not cool but getting hammered to celebrate a "religious day" is just dandy?

On behalf of all reasonable people - go fark yourself.

/gay irish ginger here
 
2014-03-17 05:18:03 PM

odinsposse: boaris_grozny: OK....why exactly does everybody feel they need to be included in something that has nothing to do with them...?

It's not some random gay rights group that was booted. The St. Patrick's Day parade is organized by a veterans group. Gay veterans wanted to march. That's who the parade organizers stopped.


That's reprehensible.
 
2014-03-17 05:18:07 PM

Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.


Its as family friendly as a man dating a woman.

Oh wait, you say that a man and a woman can be seen together in public and it isn't about sex?  Well then, gay couples should be able to be able to be seen in public without sex coming up either.

I know you like to spend a lot of time thinking about two sweaty men pressing up against each other, their well toned abs sliding against each other, but sometimes couples just like to go out and have dinner before they return home to wash the dishes and go to sleep.
 
2014-03-17 05:18:27 PM
Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays the Irish, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay Irish pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex leprechauns is not  'family friendly'.

FTFY
 
2014-03-17 05:19:03 PM

papatex: Oh look. Another one of these stories again....

What's getting tiresome in my mind is some people are "allowed" to have a public opinion and some people aren't...

If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...

If I'm a LGBT and my opinion is there is no God, it's just their opinion...

I'm not saying I get bullied, nor will I ever say that, but let's all make sure we realize its a two way street and regardless of if you like it or not, the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.


I'm impressed by the mixture of your brave table-thumping and your general stupidity about speech in general.
 
2014-03-17 05:19:12 PM

LordJiro: Totally-not-repressed anti-gay folk are obsessed with gay sex. Thus, they assume openly gay people are obsessed with gay sex.


it wouldn't surprise me if they get all hot and sweaty totally-not-obsessing over gay sex.
 
2014-03-17 05:19:35 PM
Scorcher. The extra "t" is for trouble right here in River City, and that rhymes with "p", which stands for "pool" which is what Murdoch is standing in, albeit formed of his own personal juices.

Speaking of your own personal juices, am I the only one who hears those words when he listens to Depeche Mode's "Own Personal Jesus"?

Own Personal Jesus
Lyrics as heard by Brantgoose:

Reach out and touch faith
Your own Personal Jesus personal juices 
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who cares
Your own Personal Jesus personal juices 
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who's there

Feeling's unknown and you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Lift up the receiver
I'll make you believer

Take second best
Put me to the test
Things on your shest
You need to confess
I will deliver
You know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith

Your own Personal Jesus personal juices
Feeling's unknown and you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Lift up the receiver
I'll make you believer
I will deliver
You know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith
Your own Personal Jesus personal juices 
Reach out and touch faith

So it's about phone sex?
 
2014-03-17 05:20:08 PM
It's a win win from Sam Adams and Guinness standpoint.  Disassociate selves from stupidity. Ad garner loads of free advertising and air time while doing it.
 
2014-03-17 05:20:55 PM
papatex:
So this goes for those with the opinion against the LGBT community, but the LGBT community shouldn't have to deal with the "consequences" of their decisions?

As others have also pointed out to you, thinking that being gay "doesn't make sense" isn't bigoted. Denying opportunity and rights to people because they are gay is. To answer your question, the LGBT community deals with the consequences of their decisions every time they are discriminated against by a bunch of farking bigots.

So yes, gays and straights alike have to deal with the "consequences", but for the majority who are NOT being discriminated against to complain about it is farking absurd. 

No, I'm not bullied, nor am I persecuted. But you further my point by automatically assuming that notion based on my opinion..

Yet you feel the need to whine about an imaginary double standard.
 
2014-03-17 05:21:04 PM

Occam's Nailfile: Edymnion: Yeah, gays are totally not banned from the parade.

They're just not allowed to identify as being gay in any way.  They have to hide among the other tolerance groups and not let anyone know who or what they are.

Because hiding your gays is totally the same as accepting them as human beings, and is in no way similar to what the Russians were doing during the Olympics.

Oh STFU.  Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage. Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.

St. Patrick's day is not a political day. It is not a sexual day.  If ANYTHING, it's a religious day, but it's not that either.  It's just a day to celebrate Irish heritage and get hammered.

BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.


Racist.
 
2014-03-17 05:21:21 PM

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: exick: Oh Michele. The only bullying you've experienced at the hands of the LGBT community is when Marcus refuses to go to "the icky place".

Fresno?


hey now, Fresno is that awful place. the icky place is Bakersfield.
 
2014-03-17 05:21:34 PM

you are a puppet: SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.

So no "Kiss me (even though you're a guy and I'm a guy) I'm Irish!" signs?


I'm not sure that "Kiss me, I'm Irish" is sexual.  Guinness is demanding that the parade allow signs and banners proclaiming sexual diversity.  It's not a sexual diversity parade, it's a St. Patrick's Day Parade.  I think Guinness is being unreasonable about this.
 
2014-03-17 05:21:35 PM

papatex: If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...



Not really.  You may just be a little ignorant of the fact that being gay is natural.  Some people are just born that way.  Being gay doesn't "make sense" from the perspective of reproduction, but still, some people are born gay.  In any species, reproduction is not something that all members of the species do.  We don't stop heteros from getting married if they don't want to reproduce.  Or deny legal rights to people who don't want kids.  So why judge homosexuals as less deserving of rights just because they don't reproduce?

Just thinking gay is a choice and it doesn't make sense doesn't make you a bigot. What you do with that belief is what could make you a bigot.

I
 
2014-03-17 05:22:36 PM

Occam's Nailfile: Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage.


Neither do straights.

Now take off your wedding ring, take down all the pictures of your spouse hanging up at work, march nowhere near your spouse (and if you both attend the parade as spectators, no holding hands or trading knowing glances from beyond the mandated "separation distance" of 10' - enough room for the Holy Spirit, you see), no referring to your spouse or your marriage, no referring to your kids as "biological", no trading of any innuendo (that's what ze said), and for safety's sake, no staring at breasts, butts, or legs. Male or female.

// perhaps you should lighten the fark up, and grow a thicker skin
// you are not special, gays are not special
// every not-special group should be able march in the same damned parade, for the same damned I-don't-give-a-shiat reasons
 
2014-03-17 05:22:53 PM

patrick767: Occam's Nailfile:
 No one GIVES a fark about the fact that you're gay

What planet are you living on? This statement is completely false. Ask the people of Arizona if "no one gives a fark" about people being gay. Ask the many states that have or are trying to write bans on gay marriage and/or civil unions into their constitutions and laws. Ask the countless gay people who have seen very real discrimination. No one cares? Bullshiat.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something.

Blame the victim. Nice job, asshole.


Dude, I don't bully people, I have gay employees and friends.  I don't treat gay people any differently than anyone else.  But the "PAY ATTENTION TO MAH GHEYNESS" people are farking annoying, and annoying people deserve to be ridiculed - not for being gay, but for being annoying.

I have a lesbian acquaintance, who you cannot talk to for 5 minutes without her SOMEHOW changing the conversation to the fact that she's gay.  The way she slips it in isn't even subtle.  It usually goes like, "So, we went to the beach, and were watching the sunset..."  and she will respond with some crazy shiat like, "When I first came out of the closet, there was a TV playing in the background with a beautiful beach on it, and a man and a woman, and I couldn't help but think about how hot the woman was.  That's when I decided..."

New story, every 5 minutes.  And she has been out of the closet for like 15 years, not like she's newly sprung.

Why is it so hard to understand that EVERYTHING isn't about you being gay?
 
2014-03-17 05:23:24 PM

Occam's Nailfile: Edymnion: Yeah, gays are totally not banned from the parade.

They're just not allowed to identify as being gay in any way.  They have to hide among the other tolerance groups and not let anyone know who or what they are.

Because hiding your gays is totally the same as accepting them as human beings, and is in no way similar to what the Russians were doing during the Olympics.

Oh STFU.  Gays don't need to butt in on every damned stage. Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.

St. Patrick's day is not a political day. It is not a sexual day.  If ANYTHING, it's a religious day, but it's not that either.  It's just a day to celebrate Irish heritage and get hammered.

BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.


I'm going to drink (GUINNESS!) until I see it from your perspective. Might as well pop open one yourself, this is going to take a while.
 
2014-03-17 05:24:07 PM

trippdogg: This.  The parade doesn't ban gays - it bans groups marching behind gay banners.  You can still wear your green sequin speedo and feather boa, but you'll need to march with the rest of the Young Republicans.


Does it ban this?
i.ebayimg.com
 
2014-03-17 05:24:09 PM
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-03-17 05:24:10 PM

FlashHarry: Occam's Nailfile: BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.

um... nobody is seriously making fun of "gingers." it's a silly meme.

[img.fark.net image 400x264]


Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?
 
2014-03-17 05:24:43 PM

MaliFinn: vudukungfu: Please provide a list of anything this asshole, Rupert Murdoch, has his sticky fingers in so I may boycott those products.

You may forgo the fish wrappers, I don't eat Shait in a cone.

[i.imgur.com image 708x602]

Includes skipping the next X-Men movie


just download the blu ray rip when it hits the net :)
 
2014-03-17 05:25:24 PM
Guiness just doesn't want organized religious groups in the parade advertising their bigotry. People accept Christians, they're just getting very sick and tired of religious groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE LOVE JESUS, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what bigots are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.
 
2014-03-17 05:25:51 PM
  Freedom of Beliefs
  Freedom of Correct Beliefs

Progress has been slow, but we're getting closer every day.
 
2014-03-17 05:25:56 PM

Ablejack: JesusJuice: When did "bullying" get redefined as "trying to make someone do something they don't want to"?

Since forever. Now hand over your lunch money.


I think there needs to be an element of malice and unfairness.
 
2014-03-17 05:26:33 PM

Clemkadidlefark: [holyfamilyparishportola.org image 465x600]

A Christian saint, who  Christianized Ireland with  Christianbeliefs


i bet you also believe in santa claus

lelz imaginery peoplez
 
2014-03-17 05:26:41 PM

Occam's Nailfile: patrick767: Occam's Nailfile:
 No one GIVES a fark about the fact that you're gay

What planet are you living on? This statement is completely false. Ask the people of Arizona if "no one gives a fark" about people being gay. Ask the many states that have or are trying to write bans on gay marriage and/or civil unions into their constitutions and laws. Ask the countless gay people who have seen very real discrimination. No one cares? Bullshiat.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something.

Blame the victim. Nice job, asshole.

Dude, I don't bully people, I have gay employees and friends.  I don't treat gay people any differently than anyone else.  But the "PAY ATTENTION TO MAH GHEYNESS" people are farking annoying, and annoying people deserve to be ridiculed - not for being gay, but for being annoying.

I have a lesbian acquaintance, who you cannot talk to for 5 minutes without her SOMEHOW changing the conversation to the fact that she's gay.  The way she slips it in isn't even subtle.  It usually goes like, "So, we went to the beach, and were watching the sunset..."  and she will respond with some crazy shiat like, "When I first came out of the closet, there was a TV playing in the background with a beautiful beach on it, and a man and a woman, and I couldn't help but think about how hot the woman was.  That's when I decided..."

New story, every 5 minutes.  And she has been out of the closet for like 15 years, not like she's newly sprung.

Why is it so hard to understand that EVERYTHING isn't about you being gay?


Yeah, I don't think so.

Any case, I'd love to hear your side of that conversation.  "When I met my wife/significant other, the TV was playing in the background and / it's great seeing all the babes on this beach because, yadda yadda..."
 
2014-03-17 05:26:53 PM
Occam's Nailfile:

Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?

so you're saying that gingers are a historically oppressed minority?
 
2014-03-17 05:27:03 PM
Nope, no sexuality allowed on St. Paddy's day

www.craigboyce.com
 
2014-03-17 05:27:38 PM

Occam's Nailfile: patrick767: Occam's Nailfile:
 No one GIVES a fark about the fact that you're gay

What planet are you living on? This statement is completely false. Ask the people of Arizona if "no one gives a fark" about people being gay. Ask the many states that have or are trying to write bans on gay marriage and/or civil unions into their constitutions and laws. Ask the countless gay people who have seen very real discrimination. No one cares? Bullshiat.

Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something.

Blame the victim. Nice job, asshole.

Dude, I don't bully people, I have gay employees and friends.  I don't treat gay people any differently than anyone else.  But the "PAY ATTENTION TO MAH GHEYNESS" people are farking annoying, and annoying people deserve to be ridiculed - not for being gay, but for being annoying.

I have a lesbian acquaintance, who you cannot talk to for 5 minutes without her SOMEHOW changing the conversation to the fact that she's gay.  The way she slips it in isn't even subtle.  It usually goes like, "So, we went to the beach, and were watching the sunset..."  and she will respond with some crazy shiat like, "When I first came out of the closet, there was a TV playing in the background with a beautiful beach on it, and a man and a woman, and I couldn't help but think about how hot the woman was.  That's when I decided..."

New story, every 5 minutes.  And she has been out of the closet for like 15 years, not like she's newly sprung.

Why is it so hard to understand that EVERYTHING isn't about you being gay?


Maybe that's something you should ask her about, instead of projecting your frustrations on to a whole group of people.
 
2014-03-17 05:27:39 PM
Farking hotlinking. I thought they fixed that.
 
2014-03-17 05:27:47 PM

Occam's Nailfile: I have a lesbian acquaintance, who you cannot talk to for 5 minutes without her SOMEHOW changing the conversation to the fact that she's gay.


i know people who won't shut up about their kids. i'd have no problem if they wanted to join a parade, though.
 
2014-03-17 05:27:51 PM

papatex: patrick767: papatex: Oh look. Another one of these stories again....

What's getting tiresome in my mind is some people are "allowed" to have a public opinion and some people aren't...

If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...

Wrong. You are a bigot if you deny rights to and discriminate against gays. You are a bigot if you see gays as inferior to other people. If you're having a giant farking community parade and you specifically exclude gay people, then yes, that also suggests a bigoted motive.

And just to be clear, anti-gay Christians see being gay as rather worse than just "not making sense". They see it as a sin, as something that is against God, at a minimum.

If I'm a LGBT and my opinion is there is no God, it's just their opinion...

What an odd way to put it. Like straight people, some LGBT people believe in God or gods, some don't.

I'm not saying I get bullied, nor will I ever say that, but let's all make sure we realize its a two way street and regardless of if you like it or not, the parade committee can do whatever they darn well please, regardless of a few beer makers don't like it.

Of course they can. They can also reap the consequences of their decision.

No, you didn't say you're getting bullied, but you did claim a double standard is being used against you. It suggests that you feel persecuted, which is patently absurd.

So this goes for those with the opinion against the LGBT community, but the LGBT community shouldn't have to deal with the "consequences" of their decisions?

No, I'm not bullied, nor am I persecuted. But you further my point by automatically assuming that notion based on my opinion..


You're so misunderstood. Do you wear a black beret?
 
2014-03-17 05:28:19 PM
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2014-03-17 05:28:56 PM

R.A.Danny: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 553x800]


i think it's time we turned this into an "erin go braghless" thread.
 
2014-03-17 05:30:24 PM
If the only way you can explain gay relationships to your kids is by describing how they have sex, you must have incredibly shallow hetero relationships. Or you may be retarded.
 
2014-03-17 05:30:48 PM

milkyshirt: If the only way you can explain gay relationships to your kids is by describing how they have sex, you must have incredibly shallow hetero relationships. Or you may be retarded.


jesus. THIS.
 
2014-03-17 05:32:00 PM

Occam's Nailfile: many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers. Ironic.


Won't someone think of the red hairs?  Anyone?  Are they doomed to suffer forever?

Making fun of people is just like trying to deny them legal rights.  Got it.
 
2014-03-17 05:32:28 PM

Occam's Nailfile: Why is it so hard to understand that EVERYTHING isn't about you being gay?


I understand your frustration with your friend. We all know somebody like that, because for some people all roads just lead back to the same place. They're boring.

The purpose of the visibility principal of the gay rights movement dates back to the Stonewall Riots, which garnered more attention in a single event than years of silent protests (by gay men and women dressed to the nines, no less) organized by the Mattachine Society. They were discouraged from holding these silent, peaceful protests by mainstream gay activists who feared visibility would hurt the cause.

One of the reasons it's so difficult to find lots of photographs from the early days in gay bars is because so many people were closeted that they did not want to appear in the background of a photograph.

The noisy "in-your-face" pioneers of the gay rights movement spread the word. More and more people came out. Every "straight-acting" guy who "doesn't seem gay," which seems to be a favorite among heterosexuals, should thank those early protesters. They created the space and fought the laws so that gay people who might otherwise simply "pass" are given the courage and resources to come out. The more gay people come out, the more straight people realize that gays are their family members, coworkers, and neighbors, thus countering the more over-the-top claims from the fundamentalist Christian right.

Visibility continues today so that young gay men and women realize they are not alone. It's nothing to be ashamed of, nor is it anything to shield a child's eyes from.
 
2014-03-17 05:32:41 PM

Occam's Nailfile: Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.


So what do you tell your 5 year old when they see a man and a woman walking down the street holding hands?  Hmmm?  Do you really get into the birds and the bees with them?  No?  Then why would you need to get into it when they see a gay couple doing the same thing?

BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.

Actually, I'd love to date a ginger.  Redheads are the best!
 
2014-03-17 05:33:13 PM

papatex: If I'm a Christian

person and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, and I support discrimination based on sexual orientation, I'm a bigot...

Fixed.
 
2014-03-17 05:34:38 PM
Do you think the traditional marriage folks are drinking a bunch of guiness?

What beer is the choice of traditional marrage folks?
 
2014-03-17 05:35:43 PM

Occam's Nailfile: Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?

Depends.
It's okay to ridicule people for their fashion preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their political preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their religious preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their moral preferences.
But it's not okay to ridicule people for their sexual preferences. Right?
 
2014-03-17 05:36:58 PM

Devo: Do you think the traditional marriage folks are drinking a bunch of guiness?

What beer is the choice of traditional marrage folks?


zima?

/ducks
 
2014-03-17 05:37:11 PM
Can't we get to the real issue here and just ban parades in general.  They are incredibly boring and fark up traffic all day.

/Good on ya, Guinness!
//If you can't explain homosexuality to your kids without bringing up sex, you have a narrow understanding of homosexuality and are spending way too much time thinking about gay sex.
 
2014-03-17 05:37:20 PM

FlashHarry: R.A.Danny: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 553x800]

i think it's time we turned this into an "erin go braghless" thread.


Just don't pull out when it gets some Aaron goes jockless action.
 
2014-03-17 05:38:08 PM
Golly, what a tough choice.

Should I listen to that cranky old fart who has helped turn my conservative friends and relatives into even bigger assholes?

Nah, I think I'll stick with supporting equality and that sweet, sweet, nectar of the gods.

i28.photobucket.com

Sláinte!
 
2014-03-17 05:38:33 PM

FlashHarry: Occam's Nailfile:

Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?

so you're saying that gingers are a historically oppressed minority?


Hell, even ignoring that, Fark, and a lot of gay people, are fine with gay jokes.
 
2014-03-17 05:38:34 PM

Loadmaster: t's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.


He can't be a man if he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me.
 
2014-03-17 05:39:54 PM
Maybe, just MAYBE, you're "bullied" because once you come out of the closet, you act like the world owes you something. <a rel="nofollow" data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" www.fark.com="" comments="" 8182992="" 89808804#c89808804"="" target="_blank">

The world does owe them something.  A farking apology would be a good place to start.
 
2014-03-17 05:40:11 PM

R.A.Danny: FlashHarry: R.A.Danny: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 553x800]

i think it's time we turned this into an "erin go braghless" thread.

Just don't pull out when it gets some Aaron goes jockless action.


heh. fair enough.
 
2014-03-17 05:40:24 PM

Loadmaster: Occam's Nailfile: Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?
Depends.
It's okay to ridicule people for their fashion preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their political preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their religious preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their moral preferences.
But it's not okay to ridicule people for their sexual preferences. Right?


All of those are choices except for one. And by the way you can ridicule gay people all you want, nobody's going to stop you. Just don't try to take away their rights because of it.
 
2014-03-17 05:43:25 PM

LordJiro: Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.

Homosexuality is not all about sex. Just like heterosexual partnerships aren't all about sex. The fact that people whining about gay pride are so obsessed with the sexual aspect says more about the whiners than the actual gay people.


If it's not about sex it is called 'friendship'. No one has a problem with friendship.

Ablejack: So it's not the gay, it's the Pride. A deadly sin indeed.
/ by the way, sex is indeed family friendly. It's the most common path to being in the family-way.


Sex is controversial. You don't just have sex with anyone or anything you feel like. Would a nudist parade be acceptable to you? Or are you bigoted against God's creations?

thismomentinblackhistory:

Neither are most St. Patrick Day's parades. I believe it was only 1-2 years ago Hoboken considered shutting the whole thing down due to out of control drunks. Would you take your kid to a random bar on St. Patrick's Day? It's a bad scene, in general. There's a reason regular bar goers refer to St. Patrick's Day and New Years as "amateur night."

This is probably true.
 
2014-03-17 05:45:51 PM
Chik-fil-a does not support marriage equality: "See, they're just expressing their beliefs about something. There's nothing political."

Guiness supports marriage equality: "WHY ARE THEY BULLYING PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM? THEY MAKE BEER, THEY SHOULD STAY OUT OF POLITICS!"
 
2014-03-17 05:48:19 PM

Ted_Peppy: mark12A: Nobody is being banned from the parade because they're gay.

The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality. People accept gays, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Just give it a rest already. People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?

This


So then, you would support no group being allowed to identify who they are besides "Irish", correct?
 
2014-03-17 05:50:26 PM
Stop wagging the dog so hard, it's going to faint.
 
2014-03-17 05:51:05 PM

Clemkadidlefark: [holyfamilyparishportola.org image 465x600]

A Christian saint, who  Christianized Ireland with  Christianbeliefs


Beliefs like getting shiat faced drunk and carrying 4-leaf clovers for good luck?
 
2014-03-17 05:51:39 PM

mark12A: Nobody is being banned from the parade because they're gay.

The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality. People accept gays, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Just give it a rest already. People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?


+ eleventy billion.

But common sense doesn't seem to have any impact on the retards who think if you don't completely 100% support every single thing a gay person does you're a dirty bigot.
 
2014-03-17 05:52:21 PM
Téigh trasna ort féin, Murdoch.
 
2014-03-17 05:53:52 PM

Sidecrab: LordJiro: Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.

Homosexuality is not all about sex. Just like heterosexual partnerships aren't all about sex. The fact that people whining about gay pride are so obsessed with the sexual aspect says more about the whiners than the actual gay people.


If it's not about sex it is called 'friendship'. No one has a problem with friendship.


No, it's about love. And even if you disagree, you presumably wouldn't give your kid the 'birds and the bees' talk if they asked why a man and woman were holding hands, why would you go into the details about homosexual sex if they asked why two men or two women were together? Why isn't 'Because they're in love' an acceptable answer for both?

Not that it matters. Bigots like you are rapidly losing your grip, and you'll be in the dustbin of history before too long. Like the people who opposed emancipation, miscegenation, and the right for women and minorities to vote, you'll be nothing more than a powerless embarrassment.
 
2014-03-17 05:54:24 PM

SkinnyHead: you are a puppet: SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.

So no "Kiss me (even though you're a guy and I'm a guy) I'm Irish!" signs?

I'm not sure that "Kiss me, I'm Irish" is sexual.  Guinness is demanding that the parade allow signs and banners proclaiming sexual diversity.  It's not a sexual diversity parade, it's a St. Patrick's Day Parade.  I think Guinness is being unreasonable about this.


How dare the firefighters carry banners. It's not a firefighter parade, it's a St Patrick's Day Parade.

How dare the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts carry banners. It's not for them, it's for St. Patrick.

How dare local schools and their bands carry signs. It's not about them, it's about St. Patrick.
 
2014-03-17 05:54:42 PM

omgbears: Guiness just doesn't want organized religious groups in the parade advertising their bigotry. People accept Christians, they're just getting very sick and tired of religious groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE LOVE JESUS, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what bigots are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.


Oh Snap!
 
2014-03-17 05:55:44 PM
I would love to see what would happen if a group tried to march in the parade under a similar banner but instead of gay/lesbian it was straight/heterosexual...I would love to see the parade organizers defend this position to the onslaught of rage that would come as a result of that.
 
2014-03-17 06:05:25 PM
I don't drink Guinness, and nothing about this story would make me change my drinking habits either way.

But I don't get it.  The article talks about gay people being banned from the parade, but I seriously doubt that's true.  What the parade wouldn't let them do is use the parade to promote it.   I can understand that.  It's an Irish celebration, not a gay celebration.  They are essentially saying "No, stay on topic".

I don't see that as gay bashing at all.  I'm think gay marriage should be allowed, I'm very open about rights.  But I also think they should be able to have the same parade they've had for all this time without it turning into a gay rights movement with leather chap boys waving their asses around on a float and such.  If the gays want a parade, they should organize their own.

Edymnion: Oh wait, you say that a man and a woman can be seen together in public and it isn't about sex? Well then, gay couples should be able to be able to be seen in public without sex coming up either.


The LGBT folks who are complaining would not be satisfied to be told "Sure, you can have a float" if they weren't allowed to make it about their sexuality.  If that would have satisfied them, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  They are demanding that the topic of sex *does* come up.
 
2014-03-17 06:05:40 PM
Also, for all of the "How can I explain this to my child" nonsense, if you can't answer a question like that with a simple answer that is vague and short on details I wonder how you can possibly discuss some of the other things that are going to come up as a result of parenting...especially if one of those conversations involves your own kid coming out to you at some point.
The other part of this is that I can't really imagine that 5 year old kid is going to be paying close enough attention to a parade with a quarter of a million participants to pay attention to every detail about every group of people in the parade...they'll probably get caught up in the scale of it or get bored and tired halfway through as kids tend to do after being somewhere for a few hours.
 
2014-03-17 06:06:45 PM

Iplaybass: mark12A: Nobody is being banned from the parade because they're gay.

The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality. People accept gays, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Just give it a rest already. People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?

+ eleventy billion.

But common sense doesn't seem to have any impact on the retards who think if you don't completely 100% support every single thing a gay person does you're a dirty bigot.


If you think being gay is a kink, that's fine. It still makes you a bigot and an asshole, but that's your right.

However, if you think your bigotry means gay people should be specifically excluded from events that other groups are allowed to attend, that's where I have a problem. And if you think that a child asking why two men or two women are holding hands means you should explain how gay people f*ck, that's a problem with YOU, not with gay people.
 
2014-03-17 06:08:59 PM

JuggleGeek: But I don't get it.  The article talks about gay people being banned from the parade, but I seriously doubt that's true.  What the parade wouldn't let them do is use the parade to promote it.   I can understand that.  It's an Irish celebration, not a gay celebration.  They are essentially saying "No, stay on topic".


Therefore, no group should be allowed to self identify as anything other than Irish. Right?
 
2014-03-17 06:12:08 PM
I'm not sure about this BLTBBQ you people keep yapping about. Each on its own, BLT or BBQ, is fine and dandy, but a BLTBBQ sounds like it might be a bit nasty, perhaps an incongruous mix like tuna and peanut butter.
 
2014-03-17 06:14:06 PM

grumpfuff: SkinnyHead: you are a puppet: SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.

So no "Kiss me (even though you're a guy and I'm a guy) I'm Irish!" signs?

I'm not sure that "Kiss me, I'm Irish" is sexual.  Guinness is demanding that the parade allow signs and banners proclaiming sexual diversity.  It's not a sexual diversity parade, it's a St. Patrick's Day Parade.  I think Guinness is being unreasonable about this.

How dare the firefighters carry banners. It's not a firefighter parade, it's a St Patrick's Day Parade.

How dare the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts carry banners. It's not for them, it's for St. Patrick.

How dare local schools and their bands carry signs. It's not about them, it's about St. Patrick.


Can't you see a difference between firefighters, scouts and school bands marching under their signs and banners, and people who want to use the occasion to declare their sexual diversity?  Parade official want to keep things above the belt.  There are other venues for things like that; it's not unreasonable for parade officials to say that their parade isn't it.
 
2014-03-17 06:15:31 PM

letrole: I'm not sure about this BLTBBQ you people keep yapping about. Each on its own, BLT or BBQ, is fine and dandy, but a BLTBBQ sounds like it might be a bit nasty, perhaps an incongruous mix like tuna and peanut butter.


Trolling is a religion.

/and a surname
 
2014-03-17 06:18:23 PM

SkinnyHead: grumpfuff: SkinnyHead: you are a puppet: SkinnyHead: I read that the parade is not banning gays, they just don't want people carrying sex signs. That sounds reasonable.

So no "Kiss me (even though you're a guy and I'm a guy) I'm Irish!" signs?

I'm not sure that "Kiss me, I'm Irish" is sexual.  Guinness is demanding that the parade allow signs and banners proclaiming sexual diversity.  It's not a sexual diversity parade, it's a St. Patrick's Day Parade.  I think Guinness is being unreasonable about this.

How dare the firefighters carry banners. It's not a firefighter parade, it's a St Patrick's Day Parade.

How dare the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts carry banners. It's not for them, it's for St. Patrick.

How dare local schools and their bands carry signs. It's not about them, it's about St. Patrick.

Can't you see a difference between firefighters, scouts and school bands marching under their signs and banners, and people who want to use the occasion to declare their sexual diversity?  Parade official want to keep things above the belt.  There are other venues for things like that; it's not unreasonable for parade officials to say that their parade isn't it.


Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt". Explain to me how two men walking down the streets holding hands or even kissing is sexual, but if it's a heterosexual couple its totes fine.
 
2014-03-17 06:20:59 PM

SkinnyHead: Can't you see a difference between firefighters, scouts and school bands marching under their signs and banners, and people who want to use the occasion to declare their sexual diversity? Parade official want to keep things above the belt. There are other venues for things like that; it's not unreasonable for parade officials to say that their parade isn't it.


Yes, but that sort of measured, reasonable tone doesn't play as well as the drama of "Help, help, we're being oppressed!".  Sexual freedom won't have truly arrived until there are animatronic robots on the Small World ride at Disney World fellating each other.
 
2014-03-17 06:23:10 PM

jshine: SkinnyHead: Can't you see a difference between firefighters, scouts and school bands marching under their signs and banners, and people who want to use the occasion to declare their sexual diversity? Parade official want to keep things above the belt. There are other venues for things like that; it's not unreasonable for parade officials to say that their parade isn't it.

Yes, but that sort of measured, reasonable tone doesn't play as well as the drama of "Help, help, we're being oppressed!".  Sexual freedom won't have truly arrived until there are animatronic robots on the Small World ride at Disney World fellating each other.


Holy non-sequitor Batman!
 
2014-03-17 06:24:30 PM

jshine: SkinnyHead: Can't you see a difference between firefighters, scouts and school bands marching under their signs and banners, and people who want to use the occasion to declare their sexual diversity? Parade official want to keep things above the belt. There are other venues for things like that; it's not unreasonable for parade officials to say that their parade isn't it.

Yes, but that sort of measured, reasonable tone doesn't play as well as the drama of "Help, help, we're being oppressed!".  Sexual freedom won't have truly arrived until there are animatronic robots on the Small World ride at Disney World fellating each other.


More of that obsession with gay sex. Quite telling, really.
 
2014-03-17 06:24:48 PM

grumpfuff: Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt".


I dont think there are any "Heterosexual Swinging Veterans Association" banners either.  Or just "Heterosexual Veterans Association", for that matter.  There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick.
 
2014-03-17 06:26:56 PM

jshine: grumpfuff: Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt".

I dont think there are any "Heterosexual Swinging Veterans Association" banners either.  Or just "Heterosexual Veterans Association", for that matter.  There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick.


I notice you avoided the second question.

Anyway, I think my previous answer to you applies just as well here.

grumpfuff: Holy non-sequitor Batman!

 
2014-03-17 06:27:08 PM

LordJiro: jshine: SkinnyHead: Can't you see a difference between firefighters, scouts and school bands marching under their signs and banners, and people who want to use the occasion to declare their sexual diversity? Parade official want to keep things above the belt. There are other venues for things like that; it's not unreasonable for parade officials to say that their parade isn't it.

Yes, but that sort of measured, reasonable tone doesn't play as well as the drama of "Help, help, we're being oppressed!".  Sexual freedom won't have truly arrived until there are animatronic robots on the Small World ride at Disney World fellating each other.

More of that obsession with gay sex. Quite telling, really.



Indeed.  It tells one that this is an article that deals with sexual orientation issues.

/ yes, it was obviously hyperbolic
// that's intended as humor
 
2014-03-17 06:30:00 PM

grumpfuff: jshine: grumpfuff: Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt".

I dont think there are any "Heterosexual Swinging Veterans Association" banners either.  Or just "Heterosexual Veterans Association", for that matter.  There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick.

I notice you avoided the second question.

Anyway, I think my previous answer to you applies just as well here.

grumpfuff: Holy non-sequitor Batman!



Meh, I'm not a lawyer being paid to respond to each point that's raised.  This is just Fark.

If you feel "There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick." is a non sequitur reply to the topic of TFA, then there's going to be no possible room for discussion.  That's about as direct a reply as one can get.
 
2014-03-17 06:31:35 PM

jshine: grumpfuff: jshine: grumpfuff: Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt".

I dont think there are any "Heterosexual Swinging Veterans Association" banners either.  Or just "Heterosexual Veterans Association", for that matter.  There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick.

I notice you avoided the second question.

Anyway, I think my previous answer to you applies just as well here.

grumpfuff: Holy non-sequitor Batman!


Meh, I'm not a lawyer being paid to respond to each point that's raised.  This is just Fark.

If you feel "There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick." is a non sequitur reply to the topic of TFA, then there's going to be no possible room for discussion.  That's about as direct a reply as one can get.


I'm sorry that you think a marginalized group only gets to speak when you feel it is appropriate.
 
2014-03-17 06:31:38 PM

grumpfuff: Explain to me how two men walking down the streets holding hands or even kissing


Well, I doubt, and I'm not alone, in thinking that is what the gay rights groups plan or want. Sorry, when a lot of folks think 'gay' and 'parade' they think assless chaps and trannies. It might be unfair, but not every parade is or needs to be a 'gay rights parade'. The ....let's say demonstrativeness of gay rights parades works against gay folk in these instances.
 
2014-03-17 06:32:21 PM
Since Guinness has pulled out, the obvious replacement is a huge cauldron of stewed prunes. Not only would this provide a foul black substitute for revellers, it would also be challenge to march for anyone who had less than ideal sphincter tone.
 
2014-03-17 06:33:33 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: grumpfuff: Explain to me how two men walking down the streets holding hands or even kissing

Well, I doubt, and I'm not alone, in thinking that is what the gay rights groups plan or want. Sorry, when a lot of folks think 'gay' and 'parade' they think assless chaps and trannies. It might be unfair, but not every parade is or needs to be a 'gay rights parade'. The ....let's say demonstrativeness of gay rights parades works against gay folk in these instances.


Oh I highly doubt it too. I fully expect if they did march, it would be a bunch of boring looking people doing boring things like walking and waving.

However, that point aside, if you don't think a man and a woman holding hands in public or kissing or hugging or whatever is sexual, then you should think the same of two men or two women.
 
2014-03-17 06:34:52 PM
Occam's Nailfile:

Like another farker said, maybe I don't want to explain to my 5 year old what "gay" is before he's even ready to learn about what sex is.

This is the awesomest argument ever. We should ban everything that's inappropriate to talk to little kids about.
 
2014-03-17 06:36:19 PM

grumpfuff: jshine: grumpfuff: jshine: grumpfuff: Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt".

I dont think there are any "Heterosexual Swinging Veterans Association" banners either.  Or just "Heterosexual Veterans Association", for that matter.  There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick.

I notice you avoided the second question.

Anyway, I think my previous answer to you applies just as well here.

grumpfuff: Holy non-sequitor Batman!


Meh, I'm not a lawyer being paid to respond to each point that's raised.  This is just Fark.

If you feel "There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick." is a non sequitur reply to the topic of TFA, then there's going to be no possible room for discussion.  That's about as direct a reply as one can get.

I'm sorry that you think a marginalized group only gets to speak when you feel it is appropriate.


I'm not the one handing out parade permits or organizing the events. My opinion is really quite inconsequential.
 
2014-03-17 06:37:16 PM

Hickory-smoked: Occam's Nailfile: BTW, as long as we're talking about bigotry, many of you who whine that OMG TEH GAYS HAVE NO VOICE are also the same farkers who relentlessly and openly make fun of gingers.  Ironic.

Nobody sincerely hates gingers.


Myth: Gingers have no souls.
Fact: They have one freckle for each soul they've devoured.

cdn.images.express.co.uk
 
2014-03-17 06:37:28 PM

jshine: grumpfuff: jshine: grumpfuff: jshine: grumpfuff: Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt".

I dont think there are any "Heterosexual Swinging Veterans Association" banners either.  Or just "Heterosexual Veterans Association", for that matter.  There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick.

I notice you avoided the second question.

Anyway, I think my previous answer to you applies just as well here.

grumpfuff: Holy non-sequitor Batman!


Meh, I'm not a lawyer being paid to respond to each point that's raised.  This is just Fark.

If you feel "There's no reason to conflate sexuality (in any form) with one's status as a Veteran or with St. Patrick." is a non sequitur reply to the topic of TFA, then there's going to be no possible room for discussion.  That's about as direct a reply as one can get.

I'm sorry that you think a marginalized group only gets to speak when you feel it is appropriate.

I'm not the one handing out parade permits or organizing the events. My opinion is really quite inconsequential.


Yet you are attempting to argue in support of them.
 
2014-03-17 06:39:02 PM

grumpfuff: Ow! That was my feelings!: grumpfuff: Explain to me how two men walking down the streets holding hands or even kissing

Well, I doubt, and I'm not alone, in thinking that is what the gay rights groups plan or want. Sorry, when a lot of folks think 'gay' and 'parade' they think assless chaps and trannies. It might be unfair, but not every parade is or needs to be a 'gay rights parade'. The ....let's say demonstrativeness of gay rights parades works against gay folk in these instances.

Oh I highly doubt it too. I fully expect if they did march, it would be a bunch of boring looking people doing boring things like walking and waving.

However, that point aside, if you don't think a man and a woman holding hands in public or kissing or hugging or whatever is sexual, then you should think the same of two men or two women.


Unless said couple is 'super hot', all PDAs should be banned. ALL OF THEM.
 
2014-03-17 06:39:23 PM

grumpfuff: Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt". Explain to me how two men walking down the streets holding hands or even kissing is sexual, but if it's a heterosexual couple its totes fine.


The parade wants to keep things above the belt, meaning that they don't want the parade to be about sexuality.  A group that wants to march under a banner proclaiming their homosexuality or any other sexual diversity should find a different venue.
 
2014-03-17 06:41:37 PM
JudgeMuttonChops:

Myth: Gingers have no souls.

Most gingers have souls...in fact the successful ones have quite a few.  The ones who don't have souls are just lazy.
 
2014-03-17 06:41:44 PM

SkinnyHead: grumpfuff: Explain to me how having a banner that says "Gay Veterans Association" or whatever is "below the belt". Explain to me how two men walking down the streets holding hands or even kissing is sexual, but if it's a heterosexual couple its totes fine.

The parade wants to keep things above the belt, meaning that they don't want the parade to be about sexuality.  A group that wants to march under a banner proclaiming their homosexuality or any other sexual diversity should find a different venue.


I see you too are in favor of preventing marginalized groups from speaking except when you find it acceptable.
 
2014-03-17 06:42:59 PM

papatex: If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...


I suspect that if you are being called a bigot, it's probably got more to do with the "why" of why you don't think being gay "makes sense".

Care to share?
 
2014-03-17 06:43:44 PM

SkinnyHead: The parade wants to keep things above the belt, meaning that they don't want the parade to be about sexuality.  A group that wants to march under a banner proclaiming their homosexuality or any other sexual diversity should find a different venue.


The fact that you automatically equate gayness and "sexuality" is pretty telling. By your standards, all the "straight" groups should be banned from the parade too, because they blatantly promote heterosexual sex just by their very existence. Right?
 
2014-03-17 06:52:56 PM

JuggleGeek: But I don't get it.  The article talks about gay people being banned from the parade, but I seriously doubt that's true.  What the parade wouldn't let them do is use the parade to promote it.   I can understand that.  It's an Irish celebration, not a gay celebration.  They are essentially saying "No, stay on topic".


Have you looked at the list of organizations that are in the parade!? In addition to numerous firefighters, police and various civic organizations, you also have all branches of the military, a huge variety of professional organizations, equestrian groups, political groups such as The Friends of Irish Freedom, a group of  telephone operators,and so forth and so on.

The only common denominator is being Irish. So the notion that having gay Irishmen marching in the parade would be "off topic" is ludicrous. No, let me amend that: it's farking ludicrous.

And I do think it's telling that you can't even conceive of gays marching in the parade without the assless chaps coming out. You are aware that gays can dress and march just like any other group of people. If the parade owners are concerned about  decorum, then they can simply enforce a common set of rules on how you can present yourself when you're marching.
 
2014-03-17 06:54:55 PM

MyRandomName: If liberals couldn't work in hyperbole they would have nothing left.


Literally NOTHING!
 
2014-03-17 06:58:15 PM

Loadmaster: Occam's Nailfile: Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?
Depends.
It's okay to ridicule people for their fashion preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their political preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their religious preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their moral preferences.
But it's not okay to ridicule people for their sexual preferences. Right?


You can ridicule anyone for any reason you like. You just can't exempt yourself from being judged and ridiculed in return.

Part of the compact of being able to say whatever the hell you like is that it applies to other people, too. You don't get to cry foul when people say mean things about you in response to the mean things you say about them.

Put on your big girl panties and deal with the fact that people don't have to like your opinions.
 
2014-03-17 07:07:50 PM
If it's OK to say you don't like gays, then it's OK for the rest of us to say you're a bigoted asshat.
You're free to hate whoever you want for whatever reasons you want, I'm free to say you're a vile, petty little person because of it. I'll still defend your right to be as vile, bigoted, and petty as you wish. That's your bad decision to make, and I have no right to use force (legal or otherwise) to stop you so long as you are not using force.
That's how Free Speech works. Just because you can say what you want doesn't mean there are no consequences, just that there are no legal consequences.

You're not free to pass laws discriminating for or against people, because that changes the issue from one of free speech/free thought and into actual harm.
 
2014-03-17 07:09:37 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: JuggleGeek: But I don't get it.  The article talks about gay people being banned from the parade, but I seriously doubt that's true.  What the parade wouldn't let them do is use the parade to promote it.   I can understand that.  It's an Irish celebration, not a gay celebration.  They are essentially saying "No, stay on topic".

Have you looked at the list of organizations that are in the parade!? In addition to numerous firefighters, police and various civic organizations, you also have all branches of the military, a huge variety of professional organizations, equestrian groups, political groups such as The Friends of Irish Freedom, a group of  telephone operators,and so forth and so on.

The only common denominator is being Irish. So the notion that having gay Irishmen marching in the parade would be "off topic" is ludicrous. No, let me amend that: it's farking ludicrous.

And I do think it's telling that you can't even conceive of gays marching in the parade without the assless chaps coming out. You are aware that gays can dress and march just like any other group of people. If the parade owners are concerned about  decorum, then they can simply enforce a common set of rules on how you can present yourself when you're marching.


It's essentially saying, "No, there are no gay Irish." You know, other than Oscar Wilde, Graham Norton, Anna Nolan, Colm Toibin, Tonie Walsh, Stephen Gately, Kelly McGillis, Sean Hayes, Tennessee Williams, Boy George, Pat Kenny, Brian Dowley, Louise Walsh, Emma Donahughe, Frank McGuinness and a damn sight more.
 
2014-03-17 07:20:24 PM

Sidecrab: I don't have a problem with gays, but I think they hurt their own agenda by pushing gay pride. Win equality, gain acceptance, whatever, but taking part in a parade? That's just pushing it in peoples faces. And sex is not  'family friendly'.


"Kiss me I'm Irish" and "start drinking at 9am" are clearly family-friendly concepts.

TFA doesn't even describe what was explicitly banned.  Was it dancing in thongs and dry-humping each other while shooting glitter guns?  Or was it wearing a shirt that says "Kiss me I'm LGBT"?  Or maybe just a rainbow?  Where else will the leprechauns hide their gold???

Anyway, what's the point of hiding the world from your kids?  Until being LGBT is accepted in society, every parent is going to have to explain this crap to their kids.  Once it's in, they'll learn it like they learn the rest of our culture.  From TV.
 
2014-03-17 07:26:37 PM

ambassador_ahab: kronicfeld: Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business

Yep.  It's so hypocritical it often seems like satire.

They think this:
Laws Banning Discrimination Against Homosexuals = Bad and unnecessary because the free market will dictate which businesses succeed or fail.
Laws Banning Discrimination Against any other Minority Group = Bad and unnecessary (see above.)
Laws Banning Discrimination Against Conservative Christians = Good, because this particular group is getting bullied by (insert minority here.)  Without these laws, people can't practice their sincerely-held beliefs, blah blah blah.


How is this hypocritical?  You guys are so intent on seeing these guys as the bad guys... I mean, they are the bad guys, I guess, but you're so intent on seeing them that way, that you immediately imagine all of their actions to be wrong.  It's fascinating.  It's its own form of bigotry, right there.
If they say it's fine to have no laws banning discrimination because the free market will take care of it, they're talking about stuff exactly like this:  people will protest and boycotts will happen.
So now they're being bigoted and boycotting something on the other side, that goes against their beliefs.  There's no request for laws preventing bullying of Christians.  Not here, anyway (yeah, I know, you get them saying they need legislation to prevent bullying of Christians in schools, etc., but that's not what this is).

This whole thread:  Seriously, what the hell?  You guys are the ones either being idiots, being hypocritical, or both.  They're just being honest in their bigotry and intents.  You guys deceive yourselves.  Good job, pat yourselves on the back.
 
2014-03-17 07:35:20 PM

Keith Dudemeister: SkinnyHead: The parade wants to keep things above the belt, meaning that they don't want the parade to be about sexuality.  A group that wants to march under a banner proclaiming their homosexuality or any other sexual diversity should find a different venue.

The fact that you automatically equate gayness and "sexuality" is pretty telling. By your standards, all the "straight" groups should be banned from the parade too, because they blatantly promote heterosexual sex just by their very existence. Right?


"Gayness" refers to "homosexuality," no?  Homosexuality is a form of "sexuality."  That's actually part of the term.  And what kind of "straight" groups are you talking about?  I don't think I've ever seen a group marching around under a "heterosexual" banner.  I wouldn't want to see that in the parade either.
 
2014-03-17 07:50:56 PM
Two people who could use punches to the face.  Not because of their stance on gays, but because they look like they need it.
 
2014-03-17 08:00:11 PM
  Occam's Nailfile: Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?

  Loadmaster: Depends.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their fashion preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their political preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their religious preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their moral preferences.
  But it's not okay to ridicule people for their sexual preferences. Right?

  Some 'Splainin' To Do: You can ridicule anyone for any reason you like.
 You just can't exempt yourself from being judged and ridiculed in return.


Does that ridicule include people accusing you of hate crimes?
 
2014-03-17 08:27:28 PM
nymersic: ambassador_ahab: kronicfeld: Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business

Yep.  It's so hypocritical it often seems like satire.

They think this:
Laws Banning Discrimination Against Homosexuals = Bad and unnecessary because the free market will dictate which businesses succeed or fail.
Laws Banning Discrimination Against any other Minority Group = Bad and unnecessary (see above.)
Laws Banning Discrimination Against Conservative Christians = Good, because this particular group is getting bullied by (insert minority here.)  Without these laws, people can't practice their sincerely-held beliefs, blah blah blah.

How is this hypocritical?  You guys are so intent on seeing these guys as the bad guys... I mean, they are the bad guys, I guess, but you're so intent on seeing them that way, that you immediately imagine all of their actions to be wrong.  It's fascinating.  It's its own form of bigotry, right there.
If they say it's fine to have no laws banning discrimination because the free market will take care of it, they're talking about stuff exactly like this:  people will protest and boycotts will happen.
So now they're being bigoted and boycotting something on the other side, that goes against their beliefs.  There's no request for laws preventing bullying of Christians.  Not here, anyway (yeah, I know, you get them saying they need legislation to prevent bullying of Christians in schools, etc., but that's not what this is).

This whole thread:  Seriously, what the hell?  You guys are the ones either being idiots, being hypocritical, or both.  They're just being honest in their bigotry and intents.  You guys deceive yourselves.  Good job, pat yourselves on the back.


It's its own form of bigotry, right there.

It's its own form of bigotry, right there.

It's its own form of bigotry, right there.


I... I may be too drunk to wrap my head around that.
 
2014-03-17 08:42:28 PM

Loadmaster: Occam's Nailfile: Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?

  Loadmaster: Depends.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their fashion preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their political preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their religious preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their moral preferences.
  But it's not okay to ridicule people for their sexual preferences. Right?

  Some 'Splainin' To Do: You can ridicule anyone for any reason you like.
 You just can't exempt yourself from being judged and ridiculed in return.

Does that ridicule include people accusing you of hate crimes?


That is one consequence. Actions have consequences. You want around and NOT be held up for actions, it's entirely possible to keep your gob shut. Even when faced with those icky people that you dislike so much.

Me? I really have a problem with pedophiles. I accuse someone falsely of this, yeah, I fully expect some repercussions from that. That's not exactly analogous, since simply being gay isn't against the law. Not in the US at any rate--though, some folks would certainly like to see it made so. If you don't want to be accused of a hate crime, then perhaps it's a good idea to actually think about what you say in public BEFORE saying it. Simple ridicule isn't a hate crime. Urging others to commit bodily harm, that's getting into some incitement territory, and that kinda IS a crime. You don't want to be accused of a crime? Don't commit one. Maybe think before you open your gob, and expect OTHERS to clean up after you.

You're responsible for your own actions. You might want to think on those actions BEFORE. Or at least be mindful of the possible consequences. You don't like being called a racist? Then maybe you should think BEFORE opening your gob. You don't want to be called a sexist? Then you maybe you should think BEFORE opening your gob. You don't want to be called a bigot? Then maybe you should think BEFORE you open your gob. I know the thinking part is often hard for folks, but at some point folks might want to at least try it.

Here's the thing: I'm NOT a fan of hate crime legislation. I think it adds an unnecessary layer to prosecution. The Angie Zapata case comes to mind. Trans woman is murdered, skull bashed in, by a man who Angie took home, and had a LOT of sessy time with. Her partner then bashed her skull in and robbed her home blind, and then was caught. The crime of murder itself is horrible enough in my mind. Absolutely asinine use of the "gay rage" defense, since the gentleman had spent nearly two days in Angie's home, with DNA evidence all over the place. DNA evidence that suggested that our murderer had been catching as well as pitching if you get the drift. The murder itself is more than horrifying enough, and more than brutal enough. A human was murdered, brutally. That's more than enough for me.

Classifying the case as a "hate crime" was even more ridiculous, since the DNA evidence shredded his "gay rage" defense all to shreds. He didn't murder Angie because he "suddenly" found out that the sessy little thing he'd been buggering wildly for two days had a penis, he murdered someone, stole their sh*t, and got caught, and then tried to pass off murder as justified. THAT particular portion of the show, might  qualify, because it only added insult to injury to a woman who was murdered. The thing is, the insult came long after she was dead. It wasn't the cause of her death, and it wasn't the reason he murdered her. He was just an ebbil sack of sh*t who robbed Angie's home AFTER he bashed her skull in with a fire extinguisher. The hate crime portion of the charges muddied the waters a fair amount, when the REAL crime, and that is more than horrible enough for me, is that he murdered Angie Zapata after two days of sessy time, and then after he'd had his fun, killed her and ran off with her stuff. The murder is more than horrible enough. Especially since the "gay rage" defense was the best they could come up, and it didn't work. And I don't think that the hate crime portion of the show was necessary, because the crime itself was more than horrible enough for a jury.

Going out and lynching someone, and tossing them from Chuck-a-Homo bridge? Yeah, that might be considered good use of the charges. Tying folks up and dragging them a few miles because you found some dark folks out where decent white folks live near? Yeah, that's a better use. The problem is, a lot of the time the hate crime portion of the show is just added to a laundry list of charges, that are damn horrible in their own right. And yes, it says something that we look at the motive, but likewise, they complicate cases a bit more. The murder, the assaults, the arson, those are more than horrible enough, but I can get why folks want to make a statement that "these are more terrible than most of these crimes, because the victims were chosen for just who they are."

I don't like the laws, myself. Because they add a layer that complicates cases that are damn horrible enough. But I understand them.

Ridicule isn't a hate crime. Incitement to violence is a whole different story though. And if you think you might get charged with a hate crime for some "ridicule" then you are either really f*cking stoopid, or you're definition of "ridicule" is enormously screwed up...
 
2014-03-17 08:46:31 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: I know what I'll be drinking tonight : )

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Good job Guinness!


I believe I'll join you!  Metaphorically speaking, that is.

Fark off, Rupert.
 
2014-03-17 08:52:14 PM

Jekylman: nymersic: ambassador_ahab: kronicfeld: Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business

Yep.  It's so hypocritical it often seems like satire.

They think this:
Laws Banning Discrimination Against Homosexuals = Bad and unnecessary because the free market will dictate which businesses succeed or fail.
Laws Banning Discrimination Against any other Minority Group = Bad and unnecessary (see above.)
Laws Banning Discrimination Against Conservative Christians = Good, because this particular group is getting bullied by (insert minority here.)  Without these laws, people can't practice their sincerely-held beliefs, blah blah blah.

How is this hypocritical?  You guys are so intent on seeing these guys as the bad guys... I mean, they are the bad guys, I guess, but you're so intent on seeing them that way, that you immediately imagine all of their actions to be wrong.  It's fascinating.  It's its own form of bigotry, right there.
If they say it's fine to have no laws banning discrimination because the free market will take care of it, they're talking about stuff exactly like this:  people will protest and boycotts will happen.
So now they're being bigoted and boycotting something on the other side, that goes against their beliefs.  There's no request for laws preventing bullying of Christians.  Not here, anyway (yeah, I know, you get them saying they need legislation to prevent bullying of Christians in schools, etc., but that's not what this is).

This whole thread:  Seriously, what the hell?  You guys are the ones either being idiots, being hypocritical, or both.  They're just being honest in their bigotry and intents.  You guys deceive yourselves.  Good job, pat yourselves on the back.

It's its own form of bigotry, right there.

It's its own form of bigotry, right there.

It's its own form of bigotry, right there.

I... ...


You're the real bigot for noticing my bigotry.
 
2014-03-17 08:53:44 PM
hubiestubert: <snip for brevity>


I am a straight guy, but I totally want to gay marry you.
 
2014-03-17 09:09:33 PM
Man, some of you people are really going to lose your minds when you realize that there are straight, gay, and bisexual people out there who actually have NO INTEREST in sexual activity whatsoever.

I don't think you'll be able to process that data.
 
2014-03-17 09:12:40 PM
For every pint of Guinness you don't drink I'll drink 2. And enjoy doing it.
 
2014-03-17 09:14:31 PM

grumpfuff: hubiestubert: <snip for brevity>


I am a straight guy, but I totally want to gay marry you.


Since thus far I'm a straight guy, I'll just fist bump and then we do a bro hug, because a bro hug means that I'm hugging you, but I'm hitting you at the same time. So, totally not gay. ;)
 
2014-03-17 09:17:18 PM

stuffy: For every pint of Guinness you don't drink I'll drink 2. And enjoy doing it.


Meh. I'm not a huge fan of Guinness, I think it's too heavy. So I won't be drinking any.

However, I totally think them doing this reflects well on them.


NOW WHAT?????? DRINK MORE OR LESS????

/may have had some non-Guinness drinks tonight
 
2014-03-17 09:22:31 PM

hubiestubert: grumpfuff: hubiestubert: <snip for brevity>


I am a straight guy, but I totally want to gay marry you.

Since thus far I'm a straight guy, I'll just fist bump and then we do a bro hug, because a bro hug means that I'm hugging you, but I'm hitting you at the same time. So, totally not gay. ;)


One of these days I'm gonna march up to MA and find you and stalk you and totally force you to come to the bar with me and have some beers. Then I will totally ask you questions and probe your brain(in a non-alien-rapey way). And then, I will ask you to go back to your place so you can cook for me. That is all.
 
2014-03-17 09:25:41 PM
Rupert Murdoch and his Third Reich can go fark themselves with a pile of rusty chainsaws.

Nobody farks with Guinness.
 
2014-03-17 09:31:30 PM

Explodo: Crap...I was trying not to drink today but apparently I need to go and buy some Guinness.


I almost gave this a "funny" vote.  Then I wisely gave it a "smart" vote instead.  Good on ya, mate.  (Damn, wrong nationality.)
 
2014-03-17 10:25:29 PM

MaliFinn: If Rupert Murdoch hates it, it must be doing the right thing


Nailed it.
 
2014-03-17 10:31:40 PM
I guess we should expect him to lash out at all the gay friendly programming found on Fox Broadcasting, right?

/sell out
//Guinness should pull all advertising they have with News Corp, including Fox Broadcasting, to teach this hypocrite that focusing only on money with no principles isn't always the most profitable
 
2014-03-17 10:37:23 PM

AeAe: Rann Xerox: AeAe: Who the fark is Rupert Murdoch?  Also, why is he still alive?

Because evil lives a long time.

That old asshole can't go on for much longer.


I used to say the same thing about Strom Thurmond.
 
2014-03-17 10:38:00 PM

grumpfuff: Meh. I'm not a huge fan of Guinness, I think it's too heavy. So I won't be drinking any.


That's just their use of nitrogen. Gives it a creamy head.

Guinness is actually light bodied, with a rather low original gravity.

Malt wise, it's as strong as budwieser.
 
2014-03-17 10:52:28 PM

milkyshirt: If the only way you can explain gay relationships to your kids is by describing how they have sex, you must have incredibly shallow hetero relationships. Or you may be retarded.


It used to be you could just describe them as "creepy and wrong", but gays got their panties in a wad over that, too.
 
2014-03-17 10:57:01 PM

GBB: Rupert owns a lot of stock in Guinness, so by asking for a boycott because they stand up for the LGBT community, it will urge LGBT supporters to fly a middle finger in Rupert's face and buy lots o' Guinness and thus increase the value of his holdings.

Good job... ish?


and this is why that man is a billionaire and we aren't.
 
2014-03-17 11:05:02 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: And I do think it's telling that you can't even conceive of gays marching in the parade without the assless chaps coming out. You are aware that gays can dress and march just like any other group of people.


They could.  But they don't.  I've been to a gay pride parade.  They don't "march just like any other group".

The fact is that they want to take a parade put together by other people, for other purposes, and turn it into their parade, and use it for their purposes.  Even if you agree with their purpose (which I do - as I said before, I support gay marriage) it's simply not the correct venue.

If a group promoting, oh, say "make marijuana legal" wanted to put in a pot-based float and the organizers didn't want to do that, I would understand them saying "That's not the green we're here to promote, it's not allowed".  For the same reasons.

If the KKK wanted to spout their bigoted crap, I could understand the parade organizers saying "Nope, that's not what this parade is for, go hold your own parade".

And when the gays want to turn it into their own thing, the parade organizers have a right to say "no".

hubiestubert: It's essentially saying, "No, there are no gay Irish."


No, it's not.  Just like saying "We aren't going to let NORML run a pro-pot float in our parade" wouldn't mean that they think no Irish have ever gotten stoned on pot.
 
2014-03-17 11:10:43 PM

JuggleGeek: hey could.  But they don't.  I've been to a gay pride parade.  They don't "march just like any other group".

The fact is that they want to take a parade put together by other people, for other purposes


Liberals don't like to admit this is true.

I can't count the number of gay pride parades that have been taken over by homosexuals for their own purpose.
 
2014-03-17 11:21:36 PM
Hell hath no fury like a gay denied a parade.
 
2014-03-17 11:38:58 PM
A boycott of a boycott? Who gives a fu*k?
 
2014-03-17 11:58:38 PM
F*CK YOU MURDOCH!!

...hic!
 
2014-03-18 12:12:24 AM

papatex: If I'm a Christian and my opinion is that being gay doesn't make sense, I'm a bigot...


You've met a lot of Christians who say "Being gay doesn't make sense," have you?
 
2014-03-18 12:16:31 AM

exparrot: R.A.Danny: More for me.

More gays? OH...beer. you mean beer. don't you?


He meant gay beer.
 
2014-03-18 12:18:31 AM
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JuggleGeek: They could.  But they don't.  I've been to a gay pride parade.  They don't "march just like any other group".

The fact is that they want to take a parade put together by other people, for other purposes, and turn it into their parade, and use it for their purposes.  Even if you agree with their purpose (which I do - as I said before, I support gay marriage) it's simply not the correct venue.


cache.boston.com

Not every gay group is assless chaps and go-go dancers. Many are simply community support organizations. Like this one.

Community organizations are what these parades usually feature. What's wrong with their participation?
 
2014-03-18 12:33:00 AM

boaris_grozny: OK....why exactly does everybody feel they need to be included in something that has nothing to do with them...? I don't get offended when I can't put my big brown prostate float in the Komen/Speilman mammogram parade, and I'm pretty sure it would cause an uproar if I tried that...so, why? Just stay home, or just put on a green shirt and march along with the rest of us plain old people as if you're a human. You don't need to be separate and special on this one day that doesn't deal with where you want to stick it...I'm over it, you can also get over it.


So you're also arguing that policemen shouldn't be allowed to march in uniform, correct?
 
2014-03-18 12:48:59 AM

Loadmaster: Occam's Nailfile: Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?
Depends.
It's okay to ridicule people for their fashion preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their political preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their religious preferences.
It's okay to ridicule people for their moral preferences.
But it's not okay to ridicule people for their sexual preferences. Right?


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But just in case: sexual orientation is not a preference.  "I fall in love with men but not with women" is a sexual orientation.  "I would prefer that the twin gymnasts who give me my hot oil massage be redheads" is a sexual preference.
 
2014-03-18 01:24:50 AM
Sorry to say this on St Patrick's Day, but I don't like drinking.  It's a lifestyle choice that I don't understand, but I support it, even though sometimes people go a little overboard with this stuff and make me feel uncomfortable.

Don't get me wrong: some of my friends drink alcohol, and I admit that I did some "experimentation" with drinking in college, but ultimately it wasn't my taste.  So, drink on!  Just don't push it on defenseless young Catholic children; that's wrong.

Now, back to the subject at hand: Murdoch and Bachmann can kiss my big old white butt.  I'm not actually comfortable with people osculating my butt, either, so I'm going to have to charge them a few pints of Guinness for it; I'll trade them to my beer fanatic friends in exchange for sex with their wives.  This way, everybody wins.
 
2014-03-18 01:43:17 AM

JerseyTim: The whole thing that equates "being gay" with "sex" is so gosh darn stupid that I honestly can't tell if it's a genuine opinion people hold or trolling.


Same here. A 20 something friend I haven't seen in awhile (small town, 2 kids) posted something similar on FB today. I was going to slap him upside the head figuratively, but decided I'll do the polite thing and do so literally the next time I see him. Lots of hypocrisy I'm not gonna let him ignore.

Oh, and the fact that my now married gay friends let him sublease their room crazy cheap when he needed a place to stay. But I guess as long as they don't celebrate their love in public or anything.

"Gay families: huh, they're just like ours" = crazy idea that just might/is working. Just pissed it's going to take so damn long to undo the damage.
 
2014-03-18 01:47:22 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Rupert Murdoch and his Third Reich can go fark themselves with a pile of rusty chainsaws.

Nobody farks with Guinness.


I know of an Irish club with amazing Guiness on tap. There may have been some decision paralysis there tonight with some of the older Fox news watching folks. Well... At least two I know of.

Cheers, Guiness. And Sam Adams IIRC.
 
2014-03-18 02:25:43 AM
It's a community parade. Gay people are members of that community - except when some people don't want to have to look at them, or acknowledge their existence, or treat them the same as every other American citizen apparently.

A group of gay ex service members want to march - but won't be allowed to do so if they identify as being gay. Blatant discrimination by the the bigoted parade organizers.
 
2014-03-18 02:47:20 AM
JuggleGeek:
The LGBT folks who are complaining would not be satisfied to be told "Sure, you can have a float" if they weren't allowed to make it about their sexuality.  If that would have satisfied them, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  They are demanding that the topic of sex *does* come up.

BULLshiat. A group of gay vets just want to march with a banner identifying themselves as such.

Typical hetro bigotry to assume that any gay person who marches is automatically going to be ALL ABOUT TEH SEXXX in leather chaps with their asses hanging out. Why are you peverted hetro bigots always so sex-obsessed?
 
2014-03-18 03:42:35 AM

Kome: kronicfeld: Hold on. Didn't the entire GOP just get done telling us that we don't NEED anti-discrimination laws, because those who discriminate against gays will feel retribution from the free market and go out of business? And isn't this exactly what we're seeing happen here? And now they're lamenting it?

Of course. It's the glory of the sacred free market when it furthers their agenda, it's the worst form of tyranny and bullying when it furthers an agenda they disagree with.


What exactly is the GOP agenda?
 
2014-03-18 05:55:25 AM

LordJiro: Iplaybass: mark12A: Nobody is being banned from the parade because they're gay.

The parade doesn't want organized Gay Groups in the parade advertising their sexuality. People accept gays, they're just getting very sick and tired of gay groups waving their dicks in everybody's faces and screaming "HEY WE'RE GAY, ARE WE AWESOME OR WHAT????" all the time now. Maybe parents don't want to have to explain what gays are to their six year olds at a freakin' parade.

Just give it a rest already. People don't go to parades to learn about other people's kinks, OK?

+ eleventy billion.

But common sense doesn't seem to have any impact on the retards who think if you don't completely 100% support every single thing a gay person does you're a dirty bigot.

If you think being gay is a kink, that's fine. It still makes you a bigot and an asshole, but that's your right.


Thank you for proving our point beyond doubt.
 
2014-03-18 08:06:44 AM

Iplaybass: Thank you for proving our point beyond doubt.


That you are, by definition, a bigot?  You are welcome.  But then, bass players aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.
 
2014-03-18 09:32:54 AM
It's very impressive how much clout a five percent minority in this country has. Hispanics need to take a lesson.
 
2014-03-18 09:44:49 AM

doubled99: It's very impressive how much clout a five percent minority in this country has.


Because of course it's only gay people with this opinion.
 
2014-03-18 10:11:16 AM

ciberido: exparrot: R.A.Danny: More for me.

More gays? OH...beer. you mean beer. don't you?

He meant gay beer.


HA! There's a blast from my past.
 
2014-03-18 10:23:19 AM

Max Awesome: BULLshiat. A group of gay vets just want to march with a banner identifying themselves as such.

Typical hetro bigotry to assume that any gay person who marches is automatically going to be ALL ABOUT TEH SEXXX in leather chaps with their asses hanging out. Why are you peverted hetro bigots always so sex-obsessed?


Here's a hint.  I'm not a gay basher.  But doing stupid stuff like screaming "perverted hetrro bigots" at people like me is not going to help your cause.

They could march as veterans, but that's not good enough for them.  They have to make it about sex by having it be about *gay* veterans or they aren't happy.  There are veterans groups marching, but they aren't screaming about their sexuality when they do it.

Yes, I know you're going to tell me to go fark myself or similar.  Honestly, I don't' really give a flying shiat about your opinion.  You're an asshole.  I'm not saying that about all gays, I'm saying that about you.
 
2014-03-18 10:29:52 AM

JuggleGeek: They have to make it about sex by having it be about *gay* veterans or they aren't happy.


That's the group they are.  Why should they have to identify differently to appease your sensibilities?

JuggleGeek: There are veterans groups marching, but they aren't screaming about their sexuality when they do it.


In that case, the others are screaming about their ethnicity, their religion, and if they are with they wives or girlfriends (or vise-versa), then yes, they are screaming about their sexuality.
 
2014-03-18 10:38:26 AM

JuggleGeek: They have to make it about sex by having it be about *gay* veterans or they aren't happy.


how is gay about sex? why can't it be about love and commitment?
 
2014-03-18 11:19:28 AM
So just to be clear, everyone that is saying that its wrong for them to want to march simply as being Gay Irish also thinks it should be wrong for anyone to march as Irish Catholics, or Irish Republicans, or Irish Swing Dancers, right?

I mean, if its wrong for a group to want to self identify their lifestyle because some people find it controversial, then it should apply to all potentially controversial groups, right?  Nobody needs to know that you're a Catholic, or a Republican, or God forbid a Swing Dancer.  What you do in the privacy of your own home/religious building/voting booth/dance hall is your own business, but there's no need to cram it down our throats, right?

Oh wait, I forgot.  It was a pride parade about all the different ways the Irish have integrated into America.  God forbid that someone be proud of who they are, even if they're gay, republican, or a swing dancer.

Damned dirty swing dancers....
 
2014-03-18 11:56:10 AM

trippdogg: The parade doesn't ban gays - it bans groups marching behind gay banners.


The Irish are very fond of supporting traditions - like "Don't ask. Don't tell".
 
2014-03-18 12:22:06 PM

Edymnion: So just to be clear, everyone that is saying that its wrong for them to want to march simply as being Gay Irish also thinks it should be wrong for anyone to march as Irish Catholics, or Irish Republicans, or Irish Swing Dancers, right?


No, we're saying that it should be wrong to march as Catholic Irish, Republican Irish, or Swing Dancing Irish.

But here's the thing: the problem is that this situation exists exactly as you wrote it. The 'Irish' bit comes first for the Catholics, and the Republicans, and the Swing Dancers. The only ones who won't commit to setting their other identifier aside for a while are the gays.

The occasion is St. Patrick's Day. If you can't see it in your heart to put the Irish first and foremost for the few hours of the parade, you shouldn't be in the parade.
 
2014-03-18 12:39:21 PM
No, we're saying that it should be wrong to march as Catholic Irish, Republican Irish, or Swing Dancing Irish.

But here's the thing: the problem is that this situation exists exactly as you wrote it. The 'Irish' bit comes first for the Catholics, and the Republicans, and the Swing Dancers. The only ones who won't commit to setting their other identifier aside for a while are the gays.

The occasion is St. Patrick's Day. If you can't see it in your heart to put the Irish first and foremost for the few hours of the parade, you shouldn't be in the parade.


Obviously you're just a bigot filled with hate.
 
2014-03-18 12:43:43 PM

gerrymander: Edymnion: So just to be clear, everyone that is saying that its wrong for them to want to march simply as being Gay Irish also thinks it should be wrong for anyone to march as Irish Catholics, or Irish Republicans, or Irish Swing Dancers, right?

No, we're saying that it should be wrong to march as Catholic Irish, Republican Irish, or Swing Dancing Irish.

But here's the thing: the problem is that this situation exists exactly as you wrote it. The 'Irish' bit comes first for the Catholics, and the Republicans, and the Swing Dancers. The only ones who won't commit to setting their other identifier aside for a while are the gays.

The occasion is St. Patrick's Day. If you can't see it in your heart to put the Irish first and foremost for the few hours of the parade, you shouldn't be in the parade.


Ah. So they should march as Irish Gays, not Gay Irish.
 
2014-03-18 12:54:41 PM

gerrymander: No, we're saying that it should be wrong to march as Catholic Irish, Republican Irish, or Swing Dancing Irish.

But here's the thing: the problem is that this situation exists exactly as you wrote it. The 'Irish' bit comes first for the Catholics, and the Republicans, and the Swing Dancers. The only ones who won't commit to setting their other identifier aside for a while are the gays.

The occasion is St. Patrick's Day. If you can't see it in your heart to put the Irish first and foremost for the few hours of the parade, you shouldn't be in the parade.


Clearly you have a dizzying intellect.

Are you claiming that everyone who marches in the parade has a banner that just says "Irish" and nothing else?
 
2014-03-18 12:55:51 PM

snarfyboy: gerrymander: No, we're saying that it should be wrong to march as Catholic Irish, Republican Irish, or Swing Dancing Irish.

But here's the thing: the problem is that this situation exists exactly as you wrote it. The 'Irish' bit comes first for the Catholics, and the Republicans, and the Swing Dancers. The only ones who won't commit to setting their other identifier aside for a while are the gays.

The occasion is St. Patrick's Day. If you can't see it in your heart to put the Irish first and foremost for the few hours of the parade, you shouldn't be in the parade.

Clearly you have a dizzying intellect.

Are you claiming that everyone who marches in the parade has a banner that just says "Irish" and nothing else?


They're totally gonna block the Local 101 Pipe Fitters.
 
2014-03-18 01:33:12 PM

JuggleGeek: Some 'Splainin' To Do: And I do think it's telling that you can't even conceive of gays marching in the parade without the assless chaps coming out. You are aware that gays can dress and march just like any other group of people.

They could.  But they don't.  I've been to a gay pride parade.  They don't "march just like any other group".


A gay pride parade is not the same as a St. Patrick's day parade. Once again, you are assuming that homosexuals literally can not control how they behave when they are in a parade. 

The fact is that they want to take a parade put together by other people, for other purposes, and turn it into their parade, and use it for their purposes.

The purpose of the St. Patrick's day parade is to celebrate all things Irish. Given that the parade is happy to welcome all kinds of different aspects of what that means, including a wide variety of different groups, it is odd that pride over being gay and Irish is being set aside as some particular intrusion into the parade.

 Even if you agree with their purpose (which I do - as I said before, I support gay marriage) it's simply not the correct venue.

And I disagree that it isn't. Simple saying that it's "simply not" doesn't make your case, it just emphasizes that you're making an assertion.

If a group promoting, oh, say "make marijuana legal" wanted to put in a pot-based float and the organizers didn't want to do that, I would understand them saying "That's not the green we're here to promote, it's not allowed".  For the same reasons.

Being Irish isn't incidental to the parade. You're deliberately erecting a strawman to bolster a weak argument.

If the KKK wanted to spout their bigoted crap, I could understand the parade organizers saying "Nope, that's not what this parade is for, go hold your own parade".

As above, but it is lovely to see you drawing a comparison between gays and the KKK.

Unless the parade organizers are going to start excluding other organizations whose only connection to the parade is "we're X and we're also Irish", then this is, indeed, a targeting form of exclusion which is, indeed, tantamount to discrimination.
 
2014-03-18 01:38:47 PM

Loadmaster: Occam's Nailfile: Oh, so if I don't REALLY hate gay people, but ridicule them, it's OK?

  Loadmaster: Depends.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their fashion preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their political preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their religious preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their moral preferences.
  But it's not okay to ridicule people for their sexual preferences. Right?

  Some 'Splainin' To Do: You can ridicule anyone for any reason you like.
 You just can't exempt yourself from being judged and ridiculed in return.

Does that ridicule include people accusing you of hate crimes?


Knock yourself out.  Just don't expect that to stop them from accusing you if they don't want to.

Seriously, what part of freedom of speech are you having a problem with, here?  I don't get your persecuted whining.
 
2014-03-18 01:44:44 PM
something something patrick fitzwilliam and william fitzpatrick.
 
2014-03-18 02:34:10 PM
Loadmaster: Depends.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their fashion preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their smoking preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their political preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their religious preferences.
  It's okay to ridicule people for their moral preferences.
  But it's not okay to ridicule people for their sexual preferences. Right?

  Some 'Splainin' To Do: You can ridicule anyone for any reason you like.
 You just can't exempt yourself from being judged and ridiculed in return.

Does that ridicule include people accusing you of hate crimes?



Q.How many gay rights advocates does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A. That's not funny
 
2014-03-18 02:57:14 PM
what if they used this in the parade?

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-18 03:13:33 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: A gay pride parade is not the same as a St. Patrick's day parade.


Exactly.  And the people running the parade plan to keep it that way.  That's what you're biatching about.
 
2014-03-18 03:28:02 PM

JuggleGeek: Some 'Splainin' To Do: A gay pride parade is not the same as a St. Patrick's day parade.

Exactly.  And the people running the parade plan to keep it that way.  That's what you're biatching about.


I see that you're the sort of person who cuts context from a post to make it seem like your reply is more reasonable and cogent than it actually is. We've already covered why singling out gay Irishmen is inconsistent with the parade's general theme of allowing most organizations into the parade solely on the basis that the membership is Irish, and you've consistently failed to address those arguments.

So let's put aside your "clever" attempt to change the topic.  Once again, your claim is that gays would act like they were at a pride parade rather than acting like they were in a St. Patrick's day parade.You've offered no argument for why we should accept your assumption, other than your sincere conviction that gay's have no option but to bring assless chaps to a parade.

So tell us, again, why you think that gay would participate in a St. Patrick's Day parade no differently then they would present themselves in a Pride parade. This time, try to use actual reasons. Those tend to improve an argument.
 
2014-03-18 04:33:24 PM

gerrymander: Edymnion: So just to be clear, everyone that is saying that its wrong for them to want to march simply as being Gay Irish also thinks it should be wrong for anyone to march as Irish Catholics, or Irish Republicans, or Irish Swing Dancers, right?

No, we're saying that it should be wrong to march as Catholic Irish, Republican Irish, or Swing Dancing Irish.

But here's the thing: the problem is that this situation exists exactly as you wrote it. The 'Irish' bit comes first for the Catholics, and the Republicans, and the Swing Dancers. The only ones who won't commit to setting their other identifier aside for a while are the gays.

The occasion is St. Patrick's Day. If you can't see it in your heart to put the Irish first and foremost for the few hours of the parade, you shouldn't be in the parade.


You know who thinks gays can march in St. Patrick's Day parades without messing up their Irishness? The Irish.
 
2014-03-18 05:15:34 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: We've already covered why singling out gay Irishmen is inconsistent with the parade's general theme of allowing most organizations into the parade solely on the basis that the membership is Irish, and you've consistently failed to address those arguments.


You haven't made a real argument.  You've ignored everything I've said and you've spouted a bunch of gibberish.

Bottom line, you and the gay boys want to use the parade to push your agenda.  The people running the parade don't want that.  It's their parade.

I've given examples of other things that are controversial where I suspect the people running the parade wouldn't allow it.  You ignored it and talked gibberish.

The bottom line is that you want to take the parade and turn it into a political statement, and it isn't your parade.

Once again, your claim is that gays would act like they were at a pride parade rather than acting like they were in a St. Patrick's day parade.You've offered no argument for why we should accept your assumption, other than your sincere conviction that gay's have no option but to bring assless chaps to a parade.

I haven't said that they have no option.  But yes, people do think of chaps and trannies when they think of a gay pride parade.  That's how you have chosen to portray yourselves.

You've consistently ignored my primary argument in order to be an asshole. IT IS NOT YOUR FARKING PARADE!

The guys who run the parade have a right to say "No, we don't want to be your political platform".  I'd be just as fine with it if they choose to allow it - because it's their parade.

I'm pretty sure your just being a dick to be a dick at this point.
 
2014-03-18 05:51:21 PM

gerrymander: Edymnion: So just to be clear, everyone that is saying that its wrong for them to want to march simply as being Gay Irish also thinks it should be wrong for anyone to march as Irish Catholics, or Irish Republicans, or Irish Swing Dancers, right?

No, we're saying that it should be wrong to march as Catholic Irish, Republican Irish, or Swing Dancing Irish.

But here's the thing: the problem is that this situation exists exactly as you wrote it. The 'Irish' bit comes first for the Catholics, and the Republicans, and the Swing Dancers. The only ones who won't commit to setting their other identifier aside for a while are the gays.


And you can keep saying that lie over and over until your fingers fall off, but it's not going to fool anyone who doesn't already agree with you.
 
2014-03-18 05:53:27 PM

JuggleGeek: Bottom line, you and the gay boys want to use the parade to push your agenda.


They asked to be in it.  They were told no.  That's only pushing to someone that thinks like a bigot.

JuggleGeek: But yes, people do think of chaps and trannies when they think of a gay pride parade.  That's how you have chosen to portray yourselves.


No, that's how you choose to preceive us.  Just like people used to perceive blacks as rapists that were after your daughters.  This is the side of history you are on.

JuggleGeek: You've consistently ignored my primary argument in order to be an asshole. IT IS NOT YOUR FARKING PARADE!


It's held on public streets paid for in part by the people they are excluding.  They want to have it on private lands, fine.  Until then they've gone and made it public.

JuggleGeek: I'm pretty sure your just being a dick to be a dick at this point.


Pot, meet kettle.
 
2014-03-18 05:58:51 PM

snarfyboy: o, that's how you choose to preceive us. Just like people used to perceive blacks as rapists that were after your daughters. This is the side of history you are on.


Apparently, every gay guy in this thread is a lying asshole.

Luckily, I know real life gays who don't act the way you guys do.  If I had to judge gays based on the crap you guys are saying, it wouldn't make you look good at all.
 
2014-03-18 06:30:17 PM

JuggleGeek: Apparently, every gay guy in this thread is a lying asshole.

Luckily, I know real life gays who don't act the way you guys do.  If I had to judge gays based on the crap you guys are saying, it wouldn't make you look good at all.


Oh, you must know all the gays!

Please, by all means, bring them into this thread so they can tell us all how they agree with you.  Have them tell me how they are all a bunch of chap-wearing-trannies that believe in the Irish rights.  Because that's what you are saying.
 
2014-03-18 06:37:44 PM
Oh and don't think I didn't notice that you didn't address a single counterpoint and instead went on the ad hominem attack path.
 
2014-03-18 07:59:29 PM

snarfyboy: Because that's what you are saying.


No, that's not what I'm saying.  It's what you're pretending that I'm saying.
 
2014-03-18 08:03:36 PM
It is exactly what you said. A simple looking back through the comments might refresh your memory.
 
2014-03-18 11:28:07 PM
It's funny how all of the arguments here talk about how gays should have the right to be in a parade.  I'm 100% certain that if any homosexual wanted to be driving a classic car or wave from a Guinness float, nobody would have a problem with it.

Lets be honest here.  A gay pride float shouldn't be in a parade for the same reason a heterosexual sodomy float shouldn't be.
 
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