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(HyperVocal)   Just some non-Nazis having a nice Nazi dinner   (hypervocal.com ) divider line
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2014-03-17 01:59:30 PM  
7 votes:
I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.
2014-03-17 06:27:30 PM  
3 votes:

smells_like_meat: Yep, nothing at all wrong mixing the celebration of Christ's birth with the worst genocides in history. Just good clean educational fun. Yep, fun.


At the time Christmas was invented (hint: it wasn't a thing until the 4th or 5th century CE), Christianity was among the more actively genocidal institutions in the world.  So... maybe they're just going for thematic consistency?

// Seriously, though, in any historical re-enactment you won't get very far if nobody plays the loser/"bad guy".  Civil war battles would be a bit stupid if it was just the Union vs. an empty field every time.
2014-03-17 05:34:09 PM  
3 votes:

3horn: Then again, I have to ask, why aren't there more regular line soldiers, instead of everyone wearing black and Totenkopfs?


Same reason whenever someone said they were somebody in a past life, nobody says that they were some anonymous pig farmer who died of syphilis after a run-in with a Abilene prostitute.

Hubris, man, hubris.
2014-03-18 02:33:26 AM  
2 votes:

logic523: atomicmask: logic523: bborchar: logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift

So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.

But they are the only ones who have committed race-based, systematic, and institutionalized atrocities in the United States within the last two hundred years.

I'm saying that expressions of pride in one's race, in the United States, in the present, are normally--and I would argue, with good reason--going to be construed as racist if one is white.  That has to do with a complicated set of historical and social facts that have produced the current situation of one group of people (white people) being wildly richer and more powerful than other groups of (non-white) people.

Except black people who have attacked white people based on race alone.

Except asians who have done the same to blacks and whites

And mexicans who have done the same to all three..

yes, except all the other race based systematic and institutionalized atrocities, whites are the only people...

In the United States?  When were Asians in charge in such a way that they could institutionalize systematic oppression of blacks and whites in the United States?  When were Mexicans rich and powerful in the United States? I'm making a point about America's national history and social organization and how those factors make it in this country, in this time, generally speaking, racist when white people say things like "I'm proud of my white race."


Yes White Americans, hang your heads in shame.

I'm White and I'm proud. I don't mind if other races say the same. If that makes me a racist, so be it.  All races have things they can be proud of and they are. All races have things they are ashamed of as well.
2014-03-17 11:04:30 PM  
2 votes:
imageshack.com
2014-03-17 06:35:57 PM  
2 votes:
Reminds me of what some friends of mine did in western NY back in the eighties. There was an Oktoberfest outdoors party that offered a discount on admission for wearing German costumes. They expected lederhosen; what they got there was three or four guys dressed in some SS uniforms that gramps had captured, down to some nice SS daggers. In the end, the police drove them out of there in their cruiser for their own protection. Good times.
2014-03-17 05:57:49 PM  
2 votes:
Re-enactors always remind me of white suburban guys trying to act ghetto.  All the wannabes are too immature and/or chicken to really stand up, proudly announce their beliefs and then defend those beliefs.  So they couch it as "cultural admirers" instead of calling it "my attempt to be a thug."
2014-03-17 05:52:38 PM  
2 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Fear not, this is not a sign of the resurgence of the Nazi party in America.

Pretty sure you need to have had a Nazi party in America in the first place in order for there to be a resurgence...


There was a large NAZI party in America in the 1930s.  They were made up mostly of German immigrants. There was a very interesting show on it.
2014-03-17 05:49:58 PM  
2 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Pretty sure you need to have had a Nazi party in America in the first place in order for there to be a resurgence...


Interestingly enough, one of the alumnus of one of the schools I went to was the founder of the Nazi Party in America.
2014-03-17 05:45:05 PM  
2 votes:
fc09.deviantart.net

Did somebody say "sexy nazi thread?"
2014-03-17 05:10:27 PM  
2 votes:

RexTalionis: 3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.

I don't think many reenactors are celebrating their side.

Besides, the point of a reenactment means that somebody is going to have to play the losers - the Confederates or the Germans. It's not as if you can have a Civil War Reenactment where the Union are charging other Union soldiers or a WWII Reenactment where the Americans are invading Normandy and killing the English.


Then again, I have to ask, why aren't there more regular line soldiers, instead of everyone wearing black and Totenkopfs?
2014-03-17 04:58:47 PM  
2 votes:

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


I don't think many reenactors are celebrating their side.

Besides, the point of a reenactment means that somebody is going to have to play the losers - the Confederates or the Germans. It's not as if you can have a Civil War Reenactment where the Union are charging other Union soldiers or a WWII Reenactment where the Americans are invading Normandy and killing the English.
2014-03-17 04:48:27 PM  
2 votes:
Y'know, I sometimes wonder how World War II would have turned out, if the Germany military was as lopsided in favor of SS troops as re-enactors are.

For a group that claims to not be celebrating Nazis or their crimes, they sure seem to like playing the people who committed those very crimes.
2014-03-17 02:43:30 PM  
2 votes:
I was thinking 'whatever whatever whatever, let em be, to each their own ...'

"If you wear a German uniform or a Nazi uniform, it's not like you're saying, 'I think Hitler was super cool' or 'I hate Jews' or 'I hate gays' or 'I hate democrats,'" Boroom explains. "You're not there because you believe in what Hitler stood for - you're there to educate people about history, and a lot of that is so people don't forget. It's the same as wanting to be the bad guy when you're playing cowboys and Indians. There's an attraction to the bad side."

Huh? Where'd that come from?
2014-03-17 02:23:21 PM  
2 votes:
It's the same as wanting to be the bad guy when you're playing cowboys and Indians. There's an attraction to the bad side."

I'd love to know which side he thinks is bad...

Also:

www.strangemilitary.com
2014-03-17 10:52:21 PM  
1 vote:
Historical WWII reenactors are not bothersome. Renfairers and Larpers glorifying the bloody Vikings is disgraceful.

3.bp.blogspot.com
2014-03-17 10:11:09 PM  
1 vote:
Studying the Nazis (or the Confederates, the Mongols, the Huns, whoever) is extremely important, because it's essential to know why they did what they did, how it was done, who suffered and why, etc.; and how the "good guys" contributed to subsequent resurgences of the same problems. If anyone had bothered to look at what had been done at Versailles in any depth (and a few people did), it could have prevented not just WWII, but also the conflicts in the Middle East, Vietnam, and Africa.

Reenacting the battles of the past, if done with accuracy and verisimilitude is important because it helps us understand why the winners won and the losers lost, but also why the winners didn't win more decisively (as at Antietam for instance) or why the losers inflicted such a Pyrrhic victory (as at Cannae), or how the winners could have won faster next time (as at El Alamein, where the British refusal to convert 3.5" antiaircraft guns to antitank weapons prevented them from knocking down the Panzer Korps).

However, just playing old-tyme war because it's fun turns study into Renaissance Faire b/s; and having dinner parties in Nazi drag (or plantation parties with black servants) is not learning about the past. It's just being dicks.
2014-03-17 09:45:39 PM  
1 vote:
I saw this picture the night it happened because I know the guy who forwarded to Citypages. It didn't happen in December. That was taken on MLK day. I still have all of the other pictures and they aren't pretty.
2014-03-17 09:37:28 PM  
1 vote:
2014-03-17 09:22:14 PM  
1 vote:
Rik01: "That started because the Allies, from WW1, were bleeding Germany dry by making them pay heavily for the war. So Germany was in a state of near economical collapse for years."

Common misconception.  I recommend you read The Lords of Finance for a more detailed examination of the cost of Versailles, and Germany's inter-war economic health.

And even if you disagree with the research presented in that book, you still have to remember:  Germany didn't HAVE to sign Versailles; they could've kept on fighting the war THEY started.

Couple that with German right-wingers basically assassinating a prominent liberal or moderate daily for years after WWI...and their courts letting the assassins go, even when caught...blaming the Allies for WWII starts to verge on Holocaust-denier levels of historic revisionism.

Don't go down that road.

It's like the people who blame Chamberlain for not standing up to Hitler...instead of blaming Hitler.

Yes, some German soldiers were heroic, and some Allied soldiers were murderous scum.  And, yes, we did horrible things to the Indians.  Doesn't alter the underlying justice of the Allied cause in WWII, imho.
2014-03-17 07:58:25 PM  
1 vote:

Dwight_Yeast: Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?


Are you for real?
2014-03-17 07:13:24 PM  
1 vote:

i_dig_chicks: The Nazi's did have the snappiest uniforms is WWII


Of all of the Axis and Allied nations in the war, most had clothing that was utilitarian in their function.  It isn't very memorable.  The German's had military uniforms meant to intimidate.  That's one reason for the preference in their clothing.

The solder uniforms in the movie Starship Troopers were inspired by Nazi uniforms (tied into the backstory on the government in power).  Neil Patrick Harris comes walking out in his officer's uniform and people's jaws in the theater are dropping because Doogie Howser looks like a Nazi.  Part of it is because of the stigma surrounding Nazis, part of it is because he looks evil.
2014-03-17 07:07:28 PM  
1 vote:
Where's the party?
4.bp.blogspot.com
2014-03-17 06:25:15 PM  
1 vote:

Molavian: Nazi dinner?  They were just following odors.


That was bad and you should feel bad.
2014-03-17 06:22:17 PM  
1 vote:

3horn: Rapmaster2000:

Especially considering that Hitler was an atheist, the Nazis were socialists, and the libs are the REAL fascists.

2/10

You're not a very good Reichstroll...


I think you need your sarcasm meter recalibrated.
2014-03-17 06:19:18 PM  
1 vote:

3horn: RexTalionis: 3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.

I don't think many reenactors are celebrating their side.

Besides, the point of a reenactment means that somebody is going to have to play the losers - the Confederates or the Germans. It's not as if you can have a Civil War Reenactment where the Union are charging other Union soldiers or a WWII Reenactment where the Americans are invading Normandy and killing the English.

Then again, I have to ask, why aren't there more regular line soldiers, instead of everyone wearing black and Totenkopfs?


The common soldier wouldn't have been invited to the fancy party. There are lots of regular line reenactors, but they are all standing outside.
2014-03-17 06:11:40 PM  
1 vote:
mhd:

One of the weirder things I saw 'round here was a bunch of Germans reenacting US Civil War troops. In goshdarn Bavaria, on a teeny-tiny camping lot.

Even weirder:

http://www.utne.com/mind-and-body/germans-weekends-native-americans- in dian-culture.aspx
2014-03-17 06:02:53 PM  
1 vote:
There certainly is a creep factor here.  I'm not sure it's any worse than historical re-enactors dressing in Union and Confederate uniforms, or furries, or whatever.   But, it is creepy.
2014-03-17 06:02:11 PM  
1 vote:

mark12A: Bad boys, bad guys are teh sexy. Why so many Darth Vaders and Storm Troopers at Comic-Con? Them thar Nazi's are snappy dressers...


Whenevr someone says that they're always referring to the SS.

You never hear someone say "Boy, those Luftwaffe mechanics sure were snappy dressers!", or "You know what uniforms were really cool? Rommel's Afrika Corps, they wore goggles so often you'd think they were the original steampunks!"
2014-03-17 06:00:47 PM  
1 vote:
thewomensfoundation.org
Everything was going swimmingly until he ordered another round.
2014-03-17 05:55:24 PM  
1 vote:
Author sounds like a real pantywaist.

3horn: Riche:

Did somebody say "sexy nazi thread?"

[www.scrapbookpages.com image 480x310]


You gotta admit, there isn't a fatty in the bunch.
2014-03-17 05:53:23 PM  
1 vote:
Rapmaster2000:

Especially considering that Hitler was an atheist, the Nazis were socialists, and the libs are the REAL fascists.

2/10

You're not a very good Reichstroll...
2014-03-17 05:53:22 PM  
1 vote:

Nadie_AZ: I was thinking 'whatever whatever whatever, let em be, to each their own ...'

"If you wear a German uniform or a Nazi uniform, it's not like you're saying, 'I think Hitler was super cool' or 'I hate Jews' or 'I hate gays' or 'I hate democrats,'" Boroom explains. "You're not there because you believe in what Hitler stood for - you're there to educate people about history, and a lot of that is so people don't forget. It's the same as wanting to be the bad guy when you're playing cowboys and Indians. There's an attraction to the bad side."

Huh? Where'd that come from?


Hitler hated liberals and ha a bunch slaughtered before WW2 even started. It's part if how he came to power.
2014-03-17 05:52:00 PM  
1 vote:

The My Little Pony Killer: Fear not, this is not a sign of the resurgence of the Nazi party in America.

Pretty sure you need to have had a Nazi party in America in the first place in order for there to be a resurgence...


http://bit.ly/Np2TrI
2014-03-17 05:50:44 PM  
1 vote:

Nadie_AZ: I was thinking 'whatever whatever whatever, let em be, to each their own ...'

"If you wear a German uniform or a Nazi uniform, it's not like you're saying, 'I think Hitler was super cool' or 'I hate Jews' or 'I hate gays' or 'I hate democrats,'" Boroom explains. "You're not there because you believe in what Hitler stood for - you're there to educate people about history, and a lot of that is so people don't forget. It's the same as wanting to be the bad guy when you're playing cowboys and Indians. There's an attraction to the bad side."

Huh? Where'd that come from?


Especially considering that Hitler was an atheist, the Nazis were socialists, and the libs are the REAL fascists.
2014-03-17 05:50:11 PM  
1 vote:

The My Little Pony Killer: Fear not, this is not a sign of the resurgence of the Nazi party in America.

Pretty sure you need to have had a Nazi party in America in the first place in order for there to be a resurgence...


There was the American Bund that was the american nazi party.

The flags seem a tad much though.
2014-03-17 05:50:05 PM  
1 vote:
img.fark.net
2014-03-17 05:49:40 PM  
1 vote:
you know who else.....oh i bet you do.
2014-03-17 05:39:33 PM  
1 vote:
RexTalionis:

Same reason whenever someone said they were somebody in a past life, nobody says that they were some anonymous pig farmer who died of syphilis after a run-in with a Abilene prostitute.

Hubris, man, hubris.


Valid point, just as every American soldier is a Ranger and/or Special Fores, Marines are all Recon and every Sailor, a SEAL.

farkin' wannabes...
2014-03-17 05:32:36 PM  
1 vote:
Boorom insists that attendees are not neo-Nazis or "political racists," just merely cultural admirers.

That's good, I'll have to remember that line.
2014-03-17 04:51:28 PM  
1 vote:

God-is-a-Taco: So damn stylish. They definitely purged the gays after creating the uniforms.


They gave Hugo Boss a pass.
2014-03-17 02:47:21 PM  
1 vote:
Fear not, this is not a sign of the resurgence of the Nazi party in America. No, there is a perfectly good explanation for this heinous scene at Gasthof Zur Gemutlichkeit restaurant. Jon Boorom is a member of WWII Historical Re-enactment Society Inc., the group that put on the dinner, and said it was just a fun get together of people with likeminded interests.

I have no reason not to believe this (yet), so.. meh.  I can't get as worked up as the author.
2014-03-17 02:41:04 PM  
1 vote:

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


Indeed.

Yep, nothing at all wrong mixing the celebration of Christ's birth with the worst genocides in history. Just good clean educational fun. Yep, fun.
 
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