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2014-03-17 10:16:47 PM  

sjcousins: Dwight_Yeast: Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?

Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?


The city of Carthage was destroyed, but the Punics in general were mostly fine.
 
2014-03-17 10:52:21 PM  
Historical WWII reenactors are not bothersome. Renfairers and Larpers glorifying the bloody Vikings is disgraceful.

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2014-03-17 10:59:58 PM  

Mirandized: I had an uncle who brought a Nazi uniform back from the war. When I was a young man I borrowed it, put a little brush mustache under my nose and went to a Halloween costume party as Hitler. It doesn't mean I love Nazis or Hitler. It was just a neat thing to do. I suspect the attitude with these people is much the same. Some may think it is in bad taste, but (so far) there is no law against that in the U.S.


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2014-03-17 11:04:30 PM  
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2014-03-17 11:09:09 PM  

P. Yorck: sjcousins: Dwight_Yeast: Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?

Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?

The city of Carthage was destroyed, but the Punics in general were mostly fine.


The Romans put the inhabitants of Carthage to the sword and sold the rest into slavery to ensure there would be no 4th Punic war. I don't think that constitutes 'mostly fine' and almost certainly fits the modern definition of genocide.
 
2014-03-17 11:37:09 PM  

puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]


As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift
 
2014-03-17 11:43:18 PM  

sjcousins: P. Yorck: sjcousins: Dwight_Yeast: Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?

Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?

The city of Carthage was destroyed, but the Punics in general were mostly fine.

The Romans put the inhabitants of Carthage to the sword and sold the rest into slavery to ensure there would be no 4th Punic war. I don't think that constitutes 'mostly fine' and almost certainly fits the modern definition of genocide.


And they owned WAY more slaves than the Nazis ever did...
 
2014-03-17 11:58:36 PM  
They're actors.  I can't really feel any rage towards this, because they history geeks re-enacting history wearing outfits.  And the fact that they've done it for over a decade without ANYONE CARING or even finding out ought to be enough evidence that they aren't actually admiring Nazism.  I'll save my disgust for the real white supremacists, thanks.
 
2014-03-18 12:02:42 AM  

logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift


So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.
 
2014-03-18 12:16:34 AM  

bborchar: logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift

So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.


But they are the only ones who have committed race-based, systematic, and institutionalized atrocities in the United States within the last two hundred years.

I'm saying that expressions of pride in one's race, in the United States, in the present, are normally--and I would argue, with good reason--going to be construed as racist if one is white.  That has to do with a complicated set of historical and social facts that have produced the current situation of one group of people (white people) being wildly richer and more powerful than other groups of (non-white) people.
 
2014-03-18 12:36:03 AM  

logic523: bborchar: logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift

So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.

But they are the only ones who have committed race-based, systematic, and institutionalized atrocities in the United States within the last two hundred years.

I'm saying that expressions of pride in one's race, in the United States, in the present, are normally--and I would argue, with good reason--going to be construed as racist if one is white.  That has to do with a complicated set of historical and social facts that have produced the current situation of one group of people (white people) being wildly richer and more powerful than other groups of (non-white) people.


Except black people who have attacked white people based on race alone.

Except asians who have done the same to blacks and whites

And mexicans who have done the same to all three..

yes, except all the other race based systematic and institutionalized atrocities, whites are the only people...
 
2014-03-18 01:12:11 AM  
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2014-03-18 01:35:36 AM  

bborchar: logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift

So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.


"I'm proud of being American," said the white person.
 
2014-03-18 01:53:31 AM  

atomicmask: logic523: bborchar: logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift

So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.

But they are the only ones who have committed race-based, systematic, and institutionalized atrocities in the United States within the last two hundred years.

I'm saying that expressions of pride in one's race, in the United States, in the present, are normally--and I would argue, with good reason--going to be construed as racist if one is white.  That has to do with a complicated set of historical and social facts that have produced the current situation of one group of people (white people) being wildly richer and more powerful than other groups of (non-white) people.

Except black people who have attacked white people based on race alone.

Except asians who have done the same to blacks and whites

And mexicans who have done the same to all three..

yes, except all the other race based systematic and institutionalized atrocities, whites are the only people...


In the United States?  When were Asians in charge in such a way that they could institutionalize systematic oppression of blacks and whites in the United States?  When were Mexicans rich and powerful in the United States? I'm making a point about America's national history and social organization and how those factors make it in this country, in this time, generally speaking, racist when white people say things like "I'm proud of my white race."
 
2014-03-18 02:33:26 AM  

logic523: atomicmask: logic523: bborchar: logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift

So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.

But they are the only ones who have committed race-based, systematic, and institutionalized atrocities in the United States within the last two hundred years.

I'm saying that expressions of pride in one's race, in the United States, in the present, are normally--and I would argue, with good reason--going to be construed as racist if one is white.  That has to do with a complicated set of historical and social facts that have produced the current situation of one group of people (white people) being wildly richer and more powerful than other groups of (non-white) people.

Except black people who have attacked white people based on race alone.

Except asians who have done the same to blacks and whites

And mexicans who have done the same to all three..

yes, except all the other race based systematic and institutionalized atrocities, whites are the only people...

In the United States?  When were Asians in charge in such a way that they could institutionalize systematic oppression of blacks and whites in the United States?  When were Mexicans rich and powerful in the United States? I'm making a point about America's national history and social organization and how those factors make it in this country, in this time, generally speaking, racist when white people say things like "I'm proud of my white race."


Yes White Americans, hang your heads in shame.

I'm White and I'm proud. I don't mind if other races say the same. If that makes me a racist, so be it.  All races have things they can be proud of and they are. All races have things they are ashamed of as well.
 
2014-03-18 02:59:31 AM  
Don't mention the war
 
2014-03-18 03:43:40 AM  
It's just a game...

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2014-03-18 05:13:35 AM  

3horn: Even weirder:

http://www.utne.com/mind-and-body/germans-weekends-native-americans- in dian-culture.aspx


That never struck as particularly odd. Even your regular boy scouts often engage in some activities modeled upon popular views of Native American culture, and this is just that plus costumes and even more "noble savage" attitudes. We can argue about the morals and about "redface", but at least I can see a reason why someone would do that. Especially considering that basically no one in Germany ever met a real Native American and the most popular novels about the Wild West are the ridiculous imaginings of a 19th century German teacher...

But I just couldn't see the incentive for Civil War camping. It's not that much removed from our times, so it's not an exercise in "how did people live back then", like you'd get with Roman or Celtic reenactors, there was no actual battle, and if you're a blackpowder enthusiast, why not do something more local?

I'm not passing a value judgment on this, I just don't get the motivation. The uniforms aren't that cool.
 
2014-03-18 07:12:22 AM  

fusillade762: Boorom insists that attendees are not neo-Nazis or "political racists," just merely cultural admirers.

That's good, I'll have to remember that line.


John Gill agrees.
 
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2014-03-18 08:03:44 AM  
Some can do it, and almost make it endearing.

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™ but not the guys in the photo, that was just wrong

And I don't know any of my relatives that didn't laugh their collective asses off at Shultz...oy
 
2014-03-18 09:10:37 AM  

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


If you're going to reenact historical events with clear villains, then someone's got to play those villains. I find events like this distasteful, but when people stuck with this duty try to pull some enjoyment out of it, I find it difficult to begrudge them. The alternative can't be any better for the psyche, can it?
 
2014-03-18 10:49:55 AM  

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


They're losers.  And proud of it.
 
2014-03-18 01:58:22 PM  

logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift


But they clearly have so much to be proud of, by your testimony!
 
2014-03-18 03:28:45 PM  

logic523: In the United States? When were Asians in charge in such a way that they could institutionalize systematic oppression of blacks and whites in the United States?


I grew up in a neighborhood that was predominantly southeast Asian (mostly refugees from the Vietnam war).  If you were a white kid with a paper route, you got your ass kicked.  If you were a white kid in the wrong apartment complex, you got your ass kicked.  If you were a white boy dating an Asian girl, you got your ass kicked.  And after any ass kicking, there was a chance they'd take your coat or bike.

It wasn't slavery, but it was still racism.

Also, the idea that racial minorities can't be racist themselves is a good way to pave the way for racism in the future.  Eventually we're going to have a majority minority population in this country.  In areas where a specific non-Caucasian population becomes a super-majority, you run the risk of retaliatory racism and/or nationalism because "they're in charge now".
 
2014-03-18 08:46:07 PM  
On a side note the food at the Gasthoff Zur Gemutlichkeit is absolutely delicious.
Next location for a Fark party?
 
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