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(HyperVocal)   Just some non-Nazis having a nice Nazi dinner   (hypervocal.com) divider line 125
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2014-03-17 06:22:17 PM  

3horn: Rapmaster2000:

Especially considering that Hitler was an atheist, the Nazis were socialists, and the libs are the REAL fascists.

2/10

You're not a very good Reichstroll...


I think you need your sarcasm meter recalibrated.
 
2014-03-17 06:22:41 PM  
Nazi dinner?  They were just following odors.
 
2014-03-17 06:24:42 PM  
Mr Hilter says this is just a zimple dinner, nothing more!
 
2014-03-17 06:25:15 PM  

Molavian: Nazi dinner?  They were just following odors.


That was bad and you should feel bad.
 
2014-03-17 06:27:30 PM  

smells_like_meat: Yep, nothing at all wrong mixing the celebration of Christ's birth with the worst genocides in history. Just good clean educational fun. Yep, fun.


At the time Christmas was invented (hint: it wasn't a thing until the 4th or 5th century CE), Christianity was among the more actively genocidal institutions in the world.  So... maybe they're just going for thematic consistency?

// Seriously, though, in any historical re-enactment you won't get very far if nobody plays the loser/"bad guy".  Civil war battles would be a bit stupid if it was just the Union vs. an empty field every time.
 
2014-03-17 06:29:03 PM  
But no one asked the most important question, "Were they Illinois Nazi re-enactors?" because I hate Illinois Nazi re-enactors.
 
2014-03-17 06:31:56 PM  
I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.
 
2014-03-17 06:34:20 PM  
I honestly don't see what's wrong with it. I'm not for or against, but realistically, how many confederate re-enactments are there with no backlash? How many Indians had to suffer through this after losing what was theirs? All of this happened. Human population allowed it to happen. A sad part of our history. Is it not in just as poor taste to do those re-enactments as it is for these people to gather in this uniform and dine together? Bottom line, people signed up to fight for what they were brainwashed to believe, past, present, and future wars. We all believed what we were force fed, Nazis included.
 
2014-03-17 06:35:57 PM  
Reminds me of what some friends of mine did in western NY back in the eighties. There was an Oktoberfest outdoors party that offered a discount on admission for wearing German costumes. They expected lederhosen; what they got there was three or four guys dressed in some SS uniforms that gramps had captured, down to some nice SS daggers. In the end, the police drove them out of there in their cruiser for their own protection. Good times.
 
2014-03-17 06:37:42 PM  

lenfromak: Reminds me of what some friends of mine did in western NY back in the eighties. There was an Oktoberfest outdoors party that offered a discount on admission for wearing German costumes. They expected lederhosen; what they got there was three or four guys dressed in some SS uniforms that gramps had captured, down to some nice SS daggers. In the end, the police drove them out of there in their cruiser for their own protection. Good times.


I love that story so much.
 
2014-03-17 06:39:12 PM  
I totally did nazi that coming.
 
2014-03-17 06:46:33 PM  

3horn: mark12A: Bad boys, bad guys are teh sexy. Why so many Darth Vaders and Storm Troopers at Comic-Con? Them thar Nazi's are snappy dressers...

Whenevr someone says that they're always referring to the SS.

You never hear someone say "Boy, those Luftwaffe mechanics sure were snappy dressers!", or "You know what uniforms were really cool? Rommel's Afrika Corps, they wore goggles so often you'd think they were the original steampunks!"


GIS for Afrika Korps uniforms gives us the Afrika Korps Centaur Doll


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-17 06:47:31 PM  
The Nazi's did have the snappiest uniforms is WWII
 
2014-03-17 06:52:56 PM  
Anyone interested in historical re-enactors might enjoy "Man of War" by Charlie Schroeder. The author participated in a number of "living history" groups including Romans (complete with a fake Roman fort) and a Wehrmacht Ost-Front group as well as the picturesque "winged Hussars" of the 17th century. It's amazing that so many people devote so much time, energy and $ to these groups. For many it literally is a very weird way of life.
 
2014-03-17 06:58:10 PM  

TetrisBlock: I've got to tell you -- Re-enacting British redcoats at Colonial Williamsburg? It's a goddamned poon-magnet.


I love Colonial Williamsburg
 
2014-03-17 07:00:45 PM  

3horn: mhd:

One of the weirder things I saw 'round here was a bunch of Germans reenacting US Civil War troops. In goshdarn Bavaria, on a teeny-tiny camping lot.

Even weirder:

http://www.utne.com/mind-and-body/germans-weekends-native-americans- in dian-culture.aspx


What's even stranger is that the plains Indians were about as bad on the environment as you could be in that day and age
 
2014-03-17 07:07:28 PM  
Where's the party?
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-17 07:11:38 PM  

JDJoeE: 3horn: mhd:

One of the weirder things I saw 'round here was a bunch of Germans reenacting US Civil War troops. In goshdarn Bavaria, on a teeny-tiny camping lot.

Even weirder:

http://www.utne.com/mind-and-body/germans-weekends-native-americans- in dian-culture.aspx

What's even stranger is that the plains Indians were about as bad on the environment as you could be in that day and age


how so?
 
2014-03-17 07:13:24 PM  

i_dig_chicks: The Nazi's did have the snappiest uniforms is WWII


Of all of the Axis and Allied nations in the war, most had clothing that was utilitarian in their function.  It isn't very memorable.  The German's had military uniforms meant to intimidate.  That's one reason for the preference in their clothing.

The solder uniforms in the movie Starship Troopers were inspired by Nazi uniforms (tied into the backstory on the government in power).  Neil Patrick Harris comes walking out in his officer's uniform and people's jaws in the theater are dropping because Doogie Howser looks like a Nazi.  Part of it is because of the stigma surrounding Nazis, part of it is because he looks evil.
 
2014-03-17 07:14:01 PM  

cherryl taggart: Re-enactors always remind me of white suburban guys trying to act ghetto.  All the wannabes are too immature and/or chicken to really stand up, proudly announce their beliefs and then defend those beliefs.  So they couch it as "cultural admirers" instead of calling it "my attempt to be a thug."


I think I'd be willing to do some sort of historical re-enactment, though it's never really been my thing.  I just don't find entertainment in dressing up.  I don't think it would really bother me to wear a Rebel uniform in a Civil War re-enactment any more than it would bother me to wear a Union one... though I admit, I think I'd feel more than a little uncomfortable sitting around a dinner/party where everyone (including me) is wearing Nazi uniforms.

I do imagine that if I grew up being in a lot of re-enactments (and believe it or not, there's a lot of families who do this sort of thing a lot, like I have a friend who dresses up and does this Lewis and Clark expedition thing every year, where they travel all along the route that the explorers did (and yes, on foot) all dressed-up and outdoorsy like an explorer... (and if he tells you he can hit you running with a tomahawk at 20 yards, he's telling the truth).  For some people, this is just their thing.

I imagine if I've been around this sort of historical re-enactment, I'd be less uncomfortable with the thought.  Maybe I'm naive, but I don't really see this Nazi dinner as being such a heinous war crime as the writer and a lot of people in this thread see it as.
 
2014-03-17 07:17:31 PM  
Meh. Like it or not, the Nazis had way cooler looking uniforms than we did.
 
2014-03-17 07:18:51 PM  

Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.


Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?
 
2014-03-17 07:21:14 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Seriously, though, in any historical re-enactment you won't get very far if nobody plays the loser/"bad guy".  Civil war battles would be a bit stupid if it was just the Union vs. an empty field every time.


As others have stated, a lot of this.  Movie's would be very confusing as well.

Also:  Just because they did something terrible doesn't mean we cannot study the culture and social structure of the German peoples of that time.  Maybe even examine why it was done, or how it was pulled off.

It's not like modern times where information is at our fingertips.  Large swathes of society were not only uneducated in wider politics. The were alive and comfortable, with the only media being spoon fed to them officially.

And if you really look at it, they're not so different from technologically advanced nations today. Our news is spoon fed to us, taints our view of the world.  Look at how many people buy things like the altered Zimmerman calls to police.

Watching only Fox or CNN, you'll more or less fall in line with what they let you know and how they frame it, if you don't happen to also watch other sources or read internet news.

Really, that is the problem with humanity as a whole.  We only know what others tell us or we figure out for ourselves, the later being a case where it takes either a LOT of effort or happenstance of being at the right place at the right time.

Fortunately, the US and other similar places had a government that had different values and allowed a certain amount of information to be disseminated freely and largely without bias.  That's not as true now as it used to be though. Money and politics control the news.

/But no, let's not examine it at all.  Strike Germany from the history books altogether, toss the baby out with the bathwater, we'll all be better off for it.  Silly, smelly little crying thing, it has no potential for goodness whatsoever.
 
2014-03-17 07:32:06 PM  

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


At least the Confederacy only lost once.

Germans, twice over.
 
2014-03-17 07:51:35 PM  

3horn: Riche:

Did somebody say "sexy nazi thread?"

[www.scrapbookpages.com image 480x310]


I'll be in my bunk.
 
2014-03-17 07:54:20 PM  
"Gasthof Zur Gemütlichkeit"?
I guess it's time
 
2014-03-17 07:54:37 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?


Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?
 
2014-03-17 07:55:46 PM  

SurelyShirley: "Gasthof Zur Gemütlichkeit"?
I guess it's time


SurelyShirley: "Gasthof Zur Gemütlichkeit"?
I guess it's time


I'd have bet on "Charlie & His Orchestra".
 
2014-03-17 07:57:11 PM  
I wonder if they made anything in the oven
 
2014-03-17 07:58:25 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?


Are you for real?
 
2014-03-17 08:11:12 PM  

ifky: I wonder if they made anything in the oven


You get a D for effort.
 
2014-03-17 08:33:20 PM  

scottydoesntknow: It's the same as wanting to be the bad guy when you're playing cowboys and Indians. There's an attraction to the bad side."

I'd love to know which side he thinks is bad...


Thanks for covering this.
 
2014-03-17 08:43:17 PM  

3horn: Riche:

Did somebody say "sexy nazi thread?"

[www.scrapbookpages.com image 480x310]


if that's your idea of wank material you're one sick fark, or on The Holocaust speaking tour.
 
2014-03-17 08:48:50 PM  

RexTalionis: 3horn: Then again, I have to ask, why aren't there more regular line soldiers, instead of everyone wearing black and Totenkopfs?

Same reason whenever someone said they were somebody in a past life, nobody says that they were some anonymous pig farmer who died of syphilis after a run-in with a Abilene prostitute.

Hubris, man, hubris.


I always say "It's always a 25,000 year old warrior we're channeling, not a 25,000 year old accountant."  But I may have to steal the pig farmer/syphilis/Abilene hooker line.
 
2014-03-17 08:49:04 PM  

gunther_bumpass: The only thing I learned from watching these reenactors is that WWII was the first war fought entirely by middle-aged fat honkies.


Well, the SS really didn't do the EEO thing, you know.
 
2014-03-17 08:52:57 PM  
 
2014-03-17 08:56:23 PM  
Just don't mention the war!
 
2014-03-17 08:56:24 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: 3horn: mark12A: Bad boys, bad guys are teh sexy. Why so many Darth Vaders and Storm Troopers at Comic-Con? Them thar Nazi's are snappy dressers...

Whenevr someone says that they're always referring to the SS.

You never hear someone say "Boy, those Luftwaffe mechanics sure were snappy dressers!", or "You know what uniforms were really cool? Rommel's Afrika Corps, they wore goggles so often you'd think they were the original steampunks!"

GIS for Afrika Korps uniforms gives us the Afrika Korps Centaur Doll


[i.imgur.com image 300x282]


As long as he doesn't Stinz on the fabric
 
2014-03-17 09:03:31 PM  
Oh I see. The Nazi party wasn't a political party; it was a party, like where you eat and drink.
 
2014-03-17 09:04:20 PM  
Dwight_Yeast

Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history. Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really? What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?

sjcousins Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?


Pretty much everyone they came across. The Romans had a serious lack of empathy for any individual territories they stumbled upon and, like Hitler, seemed bent on taking over the known world.

As for the Nazi Dinner -- well, we have confederate re-enactments all the time -- with some die hard participants going so far as to not only hand stitch their uniforms from authentic cloth, to going weeks 'in the field' without bathing and living as the soldiers of the time would have done.

Don't forget, the US Military more than once, in Western times, wiped out whole villages of native Americans right down to their dogs without a second thought.

The average Nazi soldier was just like any other soldier: obey orders or be severely punished. Our guys got a real good example of that attitude in Vietnam. (Thanks to our government running the war instead of experienced military leaders.) The majority of the guards at the extermination camps were selected top be there because they didn't exactly fit anywhere else. Generals found that having troops gun down unarmed civilians day after day demoralized them, so they started being selective. They also found that camp commanders basically had to be psychopaths and/or sadists.

A lot of Nazi soldiers performed astounding acts of heroism during the war -- just like our guys did, but they'll never be recognized for their efforts. I've pointed out before how some Nazi soldiers actually helped save Jews and get them to safety, and some refused to go from house to house gunning down anything inside as ordered. There are records of Nazi's and US GI's helping each other to survive during killer snow storms and being cut off from their sides in really nasty territory.

Remember, war is started by whatever politicians are in power and usually they have to spend quite a bit of time convincing their people that going out en-mass to kill or be killed is a worthy cause. Even then, many use conscription to fill the ranks. Many manipulate the press and other information outlets. Some nations depend on keeping their military well supplied in bad economic and living conditions so they'll be better off than the majority of the public. That means they'll be more willing to kill for them.

Some nations require mandatory military service from every citizen above a certain age.

I remember the Draft here. A generation of kids grew up knowing that the minute they graduated High School, they risked being dragged into the Army and sent to this nasty, hot, bug infested jungle to become cannon fodder for a war no one wanted.

Your average German soldier was just that: a soldier. He had to put up with the same conditions that every other soldier did during that war. Most fought to basically stay alive and not get the shiat blown out of them by the others, who were also mainly fighting to stay alive.

Go back to the Civil War and you find both sides had prison camps which were comparable to the Nazi extermination camps, only they packed them with captured soldiers. Both the Union and the Confederacy had military leaders who had no problem letting captured soldiers starve, die of exposure, be denied medical care or beaten to death by sadist guards.

They just didn't have the technology to gas everyone.

Then again, consider the Trail Of Tears, the long, forced march some of the Native American Indian tribes were put through, on foot, with insufficient food, water or medical supplies, guarded by the Calvary, who were well supplied but under orders not to share.

Kind of like the infamous Japanese Death March -- around which the book The Bridge Over The River Kwai is based.

They fought and died just as the Allies did. I have no problem if they choose to remember their military men and women. After all, their political leaders were the ones who dragged them all into the mess in the first place.

That started because the Allies, from WW1, were bleeding Germany dry by making them pay heavily for the war. So Germany was in a state of near economical collapse for years.

All it took was a fanatical psychopath with a powerful, charismatic personality, who fed on the hopes, dreams and fears of the masses, to start the ball rolling. Later, his generals would dream up many of the horrendous actions they took and he approved them.
 
2014-03-17 09:05:59 PM  

Datanerd: RexTalionis: 3horn: Then again, I have to ask, why aren't there more regular line soldiers, instead of everyone wearing black and Totenkopfs?

Same reason whenever someone said they were somebody in a past life, nobody says that they were some anonymous pig farmer who died of syphilis after a run-in with a Abilene prostitute.

Hubris, man, hubris.

I always say "It's always a 25,000 year old warrior we're channeling, not a 25,000 year old accountant."  But I may have to steal the pig farmer/syphilis/Abilene hooker line.


Ironically, if you were an accountant 25,000 years ago, they'd probably make you their philosopher-king.

Or, burn you as a witch.  Could go either way, really.
 
2014-03-17 09:22:14 PM  
Rik01: "That started because the Allies, from WW1, were bleeding Germany dry by making them pay heavily for the war. So Germany was in a state of near economical collapse for years."

Common misconception.  I recommend you read The Lords of Finance for a more detailed examination of the cost of Versailles, and Germany's inter-war economic health.

And even if you disagree with the research presented in that book, you still have to remember:  Germany didn't HAVE to sign Versailles; they could've kept on fighting the war THEY started.

Couple that with German right-wingers basically assassinating a prominent liberal or moderate daily for years after WWI...and their courts letting the assassins go, even when caught...blaming the Allies for WWII starts to verge on Holocaust-denier levels of historic revisionism.

Don't go down that road.

It's like the people who blame Chamberlain for not standing up to Hitler...instead of blaming Hitler.

Yes, some German soldiers were heroic, and some Allied soldiers were murderous scum.  And, yes, we did horrible things to the Indians.  Doesn't alter the underlying justice of the Allied cause in WWII, imho.
 
2014-03-17 09:23:01 PM  

RexTalionis: Same reason whenever someone said they were somebody in a past life, nobody says that they were some anonymous pig farmer who died of syphilis after a run-in with a Abilene prostitute.


This actually isn't true. Not that it's terribly important, but it actually isn't true.
 
2014-03-17 09:27:07 PM  

Rik01: Dwight_Yeast

Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history. Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really? What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?

sjcousins Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?

Pretty much everyone they came across. The Romans had a serious lack of empathy for any individual territories they stumbled upon and, like Hitler, seemed bent on taking over the known world.

As for the Nazi Dinner -- well, we have confederate re-enactments all the time -- with some die hard participants going so far as to not only hand stitch their uniforms from authentic cloth, to going weeks 'in the field' without bathing and living as the soldiers of the time would have done.

Don't forget, the US Military more than once, in Western times, wiped out whole villages of native Americans right down to their dogs without a second thought.

The average Nazi soldier was just like any other soldier: obey orders or be severely punished. Our guys got a real good example of that attitude in Vietnam. (Thanks to our government running the war instead of experienced military leaders.) The majority of the guards at the extermination camps were selected top be there because they didn't exactly fit anywhere else. Generals found that having troops gun down unarmed civilians day after day demoralized them, so they started being selective. They also found that camp commanders basically had to be psychopaths and/or sadists.

A lot of Nazi soldiers performed astounding acts of heroism during the war -- just like our guys did, but they'll never be recognized for their efforts. I've pointed out before how some Nazi soldiers actually helped save Jews and get them to safety, and some refused to go from house to house gunning down anything inside as ordered. There are records of Nazi's and US GI's helping each other to survive d ...


You forgot about the trains being on time and all.
 
2014-03-17 09:33:57 PM  

JRoo: Is it any different than an American sticking a feather in his hair and celebrating Thanksgiving?


Pretty sure that the Native Americans didn't put Jews and gays and political dissidents in concentration camps and then gas them.  So there's that difference.
 
2014-03-17 09:37:28 PM  
 
2014-03-17 09:45:39 PM  
I saw this picture the night it happened because I know the guy who forwarded to Citypages. It didn't happen in December. That was taken on MLK day. I still have all of the other pictures and they aren't pretty.
 
2014-03-17 10:02:57 PM  
I had an uncle who brought a Nazi uniform back from the war. When I was a young man I borrowed it, put a little brush mustache under my nose and went to a Halloween costume party as Hitler. It doesn't mean I love Nazis or Hitler. It was just a neat thing to do. I suspect the attitude with these people is much the same. Some may think it is in bad taste, but (so far) there is no law against that in the U.S.
 
2014-03-17 10:09:49 PM  
The time is the present, 1963, and imagine, if you will, a scene
in West Germany where my friends and I are having a little party.
It's quite a private party, we're celebrating the coming holiday
season, Christmas, and the new year. 

On the first day of Christmas
My true love gave to me
A partridge in a pear tree


On the second day of Christmas
My true love gave to me
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the third day of Christmas
My true love gave to me
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the fourth day of Christmas
My true love gave to me
Four top Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the fifth day of Christmas
My true love said to me
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the sixth day of Christmas
We received from Israel
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the seventh day of Christmas
The US sent us free
Seven more million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the eighth day of Christmas
My true love gave to me
A Telefunken H-Bomb
A Telefunken H-Bomb? Ja, a Telefunken H-Bomb.
Let me show you this Telefunken H-Bomb.
It looks just like an ordinary Telefunken Radio.
Except when you're trying to get England,
YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ENGLAND!
Seven million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the ninth day of Christmas
We heard officially
They got the wrong Eichmann
Telefunken H-Bomb
Seven million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the tenth day of Christmas
Long Island sent us free
Ten swastika scribblers
Got the wrong Eichmann
Telefunken H-Bomb
Seven million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the eleventh day of Christmas
We heard officially:
"Monocles are back!"
Ten swastika scribblers
Got the wrong Eichmann
Telefunken H-Bomb
Seven million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the twelfth day of Christmas
They told all Germany:
"HE is still alive."
Monocles are back
Ten swastika scribblers
Telefunken H-Bomb
Seven million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear - Merry Christmas, everybody - tree


-The Chad Mitchell Trio


http://youtu.be/G7NVob7yomo
 
2014-03-17 10:11:09 PM  
Studying the Nazis (or the Confederates, the Mongols, the Huns, whoever) is extremely important, because it's essential to know why they did what they did, how it was done, who suffered and why, etc.; and how the "good guys" contributed to subsequent resurgences of the same problems. If anyone had bothered to look at what had been done at Versailles in any depth (and a few people did), it could have prevented not just WWII, but also the conflicts in the Middle East, Vietnam, and Africa.

Reenacting the battles of the past, if done with accuracy and verisimilitude is important because it helps us understand why the winners won and the losers lost, but also why the winners didn't win more decisively (as at Antietam for instance) or why the losers inflicted such a Pyrrhic victory (as at Cannae), or how the winners could have won faster next time (as at El Alamein, where the British refusal to convert 3.5" antiaircraft guns to antitank weapons prevented them from knocking down the Panzer Korps).

However, just playing old-tyme war because it's fun turns study into Renaissance Faire b/s; and having dinner parties in Nazi drag (or plantation parties with black servants) is not learning about the past. It's just being dicks.
 
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