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2014-03-17 01:59:30 PM  
I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.
 
2014-03-17 02:23:21 PM  
It's the same as wanting to be the bad guy when you're playing cowboys and Indians. There's an attraction to the bad side."

I'd love to know which side he thinks is bad...

Also:

www.strangemilitary.com
 
2014-03-17 02:41:04 PM  

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


Indeed.

Yep, nothing at all wrong mixing the celebration of Christ's birth with the worst genocides in history. Just good clean educational fun. Yep, fun.
 
2014-03-17 02:43:30 PM  
I was thinking 'whatever whatever whatever, let em be, to each their own ...'

"If you wear a German uniform or a Nazi uniform, it's not like you're saying, 'I think Hitler was super cool' or 'I hate Jews' or 'I hate gays' or 'I hate democrats,'" Boroom explains. "You're not there because you believe in what Hitler stood for - you're there to educate people about history, and a lot of that is so people don't forget. It's the same as wanting to be the bad guy when you're playing cowboys and Indians. There's an attraction to the bad side."

Huh? Where'd that come from?
 
2014-03-17 02:47:21 PM  
Fear not, this is not a sign of the resurgence of the Nazi party in America. No, there is a perfectly good explanation for this heinous scene at Gasthof Zur Gemutlichkeit restaurant. Jon Boorom is a member of WWII Historical Re-enactment Society Inc., the group that put on the dinner, and said it was just a fun get together of people with likeminded interests.

I have no reason not to believe this (yet), so.. meh.  I can't get as worked up as the author.
 
2014-03-17 03:05:35 PM  

smells_like_meat: Yep, nothing at all wrong mixing the celebration of Christ's birth with the worst genocides in history. Just good clean educational fun. Yep, fun.



So, fourth of July would be OK then?  They are re-enactors. They like the history of it all.
 
2014-03-17 03:24:29 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: smells_like_meat: Yep, nothing at all wrong mixing the celebration of Christ's birth with the worst genocides in history. Just good clean educational fun. Yep, fun.


So, fourth of July would be OK then?  They are re-enactors. They like the history of it all.


On the fourth it would be warm enough to do an outside reenactment. Maybe a mock up of some ovens and some showers. Lots of barbed wire. Some of the gang could lose a lot of weight for it to be more authentic. You know, for the history of it all.
 
2014-03-17 03:55:31 PM  
So damn stylish. They definitely purged the gays after creating the uniforms.
 
2014-03-17 04:48:27 PM  
Y'know, I sometimes wonder how World War II would have turned out, if the Germany military was as lopsided in favor of SS troops as re-enactors are.

For a group that claims to not be celebrating Nazis or their crimes, they sure seem to like playing the people who committed those very crimes.
 
2014-03-17 04:51:28 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: So damn stylish. They definitely purged the gays after creating the uniforms.


They gave Hugo Boss a pass.
 
2014-03-17 04:58:47 PM  

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


I don't think many reenactors are celebrating their side.

Besides, the point of a reenactment means that somebody is going to have to play the losers - the Confederates or the Germans. It's not as if you can have a Civil War Reenactment where the Union are charging other Union soldiers or a WWII Reenactment where the Americans are invading Normandy and killing the English.
 
2014-03-17 05:10:27 PM  

RexTalionis: 3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.

I don't think many reenactors are celebrating their side.

Besides, the point of a reenactment means that somebody is going to have to play the losers - the Confederates or the Germans. It's not as if you can have a Civil War Reenactment where the Union are charging other Union soldiers or a WWII Reenactment where the Americans are invading Normandy and killing the English.


Then again, I have to ask, why aren't there more regular line soldiers, instead of everyone wearing black and Totenkopfs?
 
2014-03-17 05:32:36 PM  
Boorom insists that attendees are not neo-Nazis or "political racists," just merely cultural admirers.

That's good, I'll have to remember that line.
 
2014-03-17 05:34:09 PM  

3horn: Then again, I have to ask, why aren't there more regular line soldiers, instead of everyone wearing black and Totenkopfs?


Same reason whenever someone said they were somebody in a past life, nobody says that they were some anonymous pig farmer who died of syphilis after a run-in with a Abilene prostitute.

Hubris, man, hubris.
 
2014-03-17 05:39:33 PM  
RexTalionis:

Same reason whenever someone said they were somebody in a past life, nobody says that they were some anonymous pig farmer who died of syphilis after a run-in with a Abilene prostitute.

Hubris, man, hubris.


Valid point, just as every American soldier is a Ranger and/or Special Fores, Marines are all Recon and every Sailor, a SEAL.

farkin' wannabes...
 
2014-03-17 05:45:05 PM  
fc09.deviantart.net

Did somebody say "sexy nazi thread?"
 
2014-03-17 05:47:03 PM  
A bunch of Russians should go in and start pushing them out.
 
2014-03-17 05:47:54 PM  
Fear not, this is not a sign of the resurgence of the Nazi party in America.

Pretty sure you need to have had a Nazi party in America in the first place in order for there to be a resurgence...
 
2014-03-17 05:48:11 PM  
Is it any different than an American sticking a feather in his hair and celebrating Thanksgiving?
 
2014-03-17 05:49:40 PM  
you know who else.....oh i bet you do.
 
2014-03-17 05:49:58 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Pretty sure you need to have had a Nazi party in America in the first place in order for there to be a resurgence...


Interestingly enough, one of the alumnus of one of the schools I went to was the founder of the Nazi Party in America.
 
2014-03-17 05:50:05 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-17 05:50:11 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Fear not, this is not a sign of the resurgence of the Nazi party in America.

Pretty sure you need to have had a Nazi party in America in the first place in order for there to be a resurgence...


There was the American Bund that was the american nazi party.

The flags seem a tad much though.
 
2014-03-17 05:50:32 PM  
Riche:

Did somebody say "sexy nazi thread?"

www.scrapbookpages.com
 
2014-03-17 05:50:44 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I was thinking 'whatever whatever whatever, let em be, to each their own ...'

"If you wear a German uniform or a Nazi uniform, it's not like you're saying, 'I think Hitler was super cool' or 'I hate Jews' or 'I hate gays' or 'I hate democrats,'" Boroom explains. "You're not there because you believe in what Hitler stood for - you're there to educate people about history, and a lot of that is so people don't forget. It's the same as wanting to be the bad guy when you're playing cowboys and Indians. There's an attraction to the bad side."

Huh? Where'd that come from?


Especially considering that Hitler was an atheist, the Nazis were socialists, and the libs are the REAL fascists.
 
2014-03-17 05:52:00 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Fear not, this is not a sign of the resurgence of the Nazi party in America.

Pretty sure you need to have had a Nazi party in America in the first place in order for there to be a resurgence...


http://bit.ly/Np2TrI
 
2014-03-17 05:52:38 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Fear not, this is not a sign of the resurgence of the Nazi party in America.

Pretty sure you need to have had a Nazi party in America in the first place in order for there to be a resurgence...


There was a large NAZI party in America in the 1930s.  They were made up mostly of German immigrants. There was a very interesting show on it.
 
2014-03-17 05:53:22 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I was thinking 'whatever whatever whatever, let em be, to each their own ...'

"If you wear a German uniform or a Nazi uniform, it's not like you're saying, 'I think Hitler was super cool' or 'I hate Jews' or 'I hate gays' or 'I hate democrats,'" Boroom explains. "You're not there because you believe in what Hitler stood for - you're there to educate people about history, and a lot of that is so people don't forget. It's the same as wanting to be the bad guy when you're playing cowboys and Indians. There's an attraction to the bad side."

Huh? Where'd that come from?


Hitler hated liberals and ha a bunch slaughtered before WW2 even started. It's part if how he came to power.
 
2014-03-17 05:53:23 PM  
Rapmaster2000:

Especially considering that Hitler was an atheist, the Nazis were socialists, and the libs are the REAL fascists.

2/10

You're not a very good Reichstroll...
 
2014-03-17 05:55:24 PM  
Author sounds like a real pantywaist.

3horn: Riche:

Did somebody say "sexy nazi thread?"

[www.scrapbookpages.com image 480x310]


You gotta admit, there isn't a fatty in the bunch.
 
2014-03-17 05:56:49 PM  
Bad boys, bad guys are teh sexy. Why so many Darth Vaders and Storm Troopers at Comic-Con? Them thar Nazi's are snappy dressers...
 
2014-03-17 05:57:49 PM  
Re-enactors always remind me of white suburban guys trying to act ghetto.  All the wannabes are too immature and/or chicken to really stand up, proudly announce their beliefs and then defend those beliefs.  So they couch it as "cultural admirers" instead of calling it "my attempt to be a thug."
 
2014-03-17 05:58:16 PM  

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


I'd certainly have more fun as the villain or loser in re-enactments. As the bad guy you get all the good lines, the best outfits and the most dramatic death.
Heroes are zeroes.
 
2014-03-17 06:00:47 PM  
thewomensfoundation.org
Everything was going swimmingly until he ordered another round.
 
2014-03-17 06:02:11 PM  

mark12A: Bad boys, bad guys are teh sexy. Why so many Darth Vaders and Storm Troopers at Comic-Con? Them thar Nazi's are snappy dressers...


Whenevr someone says that they're always referring to the SS.

You never hear someone say "Boy, those Luftwaffe mechanics sure were snappy dressers!", or "You know what uniforms were really cool? Rommel's Afrika Corps, they wore goggles so often you'd think they were the original steampunks!"
 
2014-03-17 06:02:24 PM  

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


I never think of it that was as there is always an underdog aspect to being on the losing side but there must be something truly wrong with someone to celebrate something truly evil as Nazi Germany or slavery.
 
2014-03-17 06:02:53 PM  
There certainly is a creep factor here.  I'm not sure it's any worse than historical re-enactors dressing in Union and Confederate uniforms, or furries, or whatever.   But, it is creepy.
 
mhd
2014-03-17 06:05:54 PM  

3horn: Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


One of the weirder things I saw 'round here was a bunch of Germans reenacting US Civil War troops. In goshdarn Bavaria, on a teeny-tiny camping lot.
 
2014-03-17 06:11:13 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [thewomensfoundation.org image 342x432]
Everything was going swimmingly until he ordered another round.


Came here to do this. Work is done.
 
2014-03-17 06:11:40 PM  
mhd:

One of the weirder things I saw 'round here was a bunch of Germans reenacting US Civil War troops. In goshdarn Bavaria, on a teeny-tiny camping lot.

Even weirder:

http://www.utne.com/mind-and-body/germans-weekends-native-americans- in dian-culture.aspx
 
2014-03-17 06:13:27 PM  
The Final Alimentation.
 
2014-03-17 06:14:56 PM  
"If you wear a German uniform or a Nazi uniform, it's not like you're saying, 'I think Hitler was super cool' or 'I hate Jews' or 'I hate gays' or 'I hate democrats,'" Boroom explains.

Are all Nazis republicans or are all republicans Nazis?
 
2014-03-17 06:15:55 PM  

3horn: mark12A: Bad boys, bad guys are teh sexy. Why so many Darth Vaders and Storm Troopers at Comic-Con? Them thar Nazi's are snappy dressers...

Whenevr someone says that they're always referring to the SS.

You never hear someone say "Boy, those Luftwaffe mechanics sure were snappy dressers!", or "You know what uniforms were really cool? Rommel's Afrika Corps, they wore goggles so often you'd think they were the original steampunks!"


They weren't?
 
2014-03-17 06:15:58 PM  
So, if you're a Neo nazi and you order a uniform, what rank do you choose? Do you get an iron cross?
 
2014-03-17 06:16:55 PM  
I've got to tell you -- Re-enacting British redcoats at Colonial Williamsburg? It's a goddamned poon-magnet.
 
2014-03-17 06:17:06 PM  

Ker_Thwap: There certainly is a creep factor here.  I'm not sure it's any worse than historical re-enactors dressing in Union and Confederate uniforms, or furries, or whatever.   But, it is creepy.


Heil, mein Furrier!
 
2014-03-17 06:18:47 PM  
Probably shouldn't have done a GIS....

i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-03-17 06:19:18 PM  

3horn: RexTalionis: 3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.

I don't think many reenactors are celebrating their side.

Besides, the point of a reenactment means that somebody is going to have to play the losers - the Confederates or the Germans. It's not as if you can have a Civil War Reenactment where the Union are charging other Union soldiers or a WWII Reenactment where the Americans are invading Normandy and killing the English.

Then again, I have to ask, why aren't there more regular line soldiers, instead of everyone wearing black and Totenkopfs?


The common soldier wouldn't have been invited to the fancy party. There are lots of regular line reenactors, but they are all standing outside.
 
2014-03-17 06:19:49 PM  
I like part where he says when you play cowboys and indians someone has to play the bad guys by which he probably means the indians.
 
2014-03-17 06:20:33 PM  
The only thing I learned from watching these reenactors is that WWII was the first war fought entirely by middle-aged fat honkies.
 
2014-03-17 06:22:17 PM  

3horn: Rapmaster2000:

Especially considering that Hitler was an atheist, the Nazis were socialists, and the libs are the REAL fascists.

2/10

You're not a very good Reichstroll...


I think you need your sarcasm meter recalibrated.
 
2014-03-17 06:22:41 PM  
Nazi dinner?  They were just following odors.
 
2014-03-17 06:24:42 PM  
Mr Hilter says this is just a zimple dinner, nothing more!
 
2014-03-17 06:25:15 PM  

Molavian: Nazi dinner?  They were just following odors.


That was bad and you should feel bad.
 
2014-03-17 06:27:30 PM  

smells_like_meat: Yep, nothing at all wrong mixing the celebration of Christ's birth with the worst genocides in history. Just good clean educational fun. Yep, fun.


At the time Christmas was invented (hint: it wasn't a thing until the 4th or 5th century CE), Christianity was among the more actively genocidal institutions in the world.  So... maybe they're just going for thematic consistency?

// Seriously, though, in any historical re-enactment you won't get very far if nobody plays the loser/"bad guy".  Civil war battles would be a bit stupid if it was just the Union vs. an empty field every time.
 
2014-03-17 06:29:03 PM  
But no one asked the most important question, "Were they Illinois Nazi re-enactors?" because I hate Illinois Nazi re-enactors.
 
2014-03-17 06:31:56 PM  
I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.
 
2014-03-17 06:34:20 PM  
I honestly don't see what's wrong with it. I'm not for or against, but realistically, how many confederate re-enactments are there with no backlash? How many Indians had to suffer through this after losing what was theirs? All of this happened. Human population allowed it to happen. A sad part of our history. Is it not in just as poor taste to do those re-enactments as it is for these people to gather in this uniform and dine together? Bottom line, people signed up to fight for what they were brainwashed to believe, past, present, and future wars. We all believed what we were force fed, Nazis included.
 
2014-03-17 06:35:57 PM  
Reminds me of what some friends of mine did in western NY back in the eighties. There was an Oktoberfest outdoors party that offered a discount on admission for wearing German costumes. They expected lederhosen; what they got there was three or four guys dressed in some SS uniforms that gramps had captured, down to some nice SS daggers. In the end, the police drove them out of there in their cruiser for their own protection. Good times.
 
2014-03-17 06:37:42 PM  

lenfromak: Reminds me of what some friends of mine did in western NY back in the eighties. There was an Oktoberfest outdoors party that offered a discount on admission for wearing German costumes. They expected lederhosen; what they got there was three or four guys dressed in some SS uniforms that gramps had captured, down to some nice SS daggers. In the end, the police drove them out of there in their cruiser for their own protection. Good times.


I love that story so much.
 
2014-03-17 06:39:12 PM  
I totally did nazi that coming.
 
2014-03-17 06:46:33 PM  

3horn: mark12A: Bad boys, bad guys are teh sexy. Why so many Darth Vaders and Storm Troopers at Comic-Con? Them thar Nazi's are snappy dressers...

Whenevr someone says that they're always referring to the SS.

You never hear someone say "Boy, those Luftwaffe mechanics sure were snappy dressers!", or "You know what uniforms were really cool? Rommel's Afrika Corps, they wore goggles so often you'd think they were the original steampunks!"


GIS for Afrika Korps uniforms gives us the Afrika Korps Centaur Doll


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-17 06:47:31 PM  
The Nazi's did have the snappiest uniforms is WWII
 
2014-03-17 06:52:56 PM  
Anyone interested in historical re-enactors might enjoy "Man of War" by Charlie Schroeder. The author participated in a number of "living history" groups including Romans (complete with a fake Roman fort) and a Wehrmacht Ost-Front group as well as the picturesque "winged Hussars" of the 17th century. It's amazing that so many people devote so much time, energy and $ to these groups. For many it literally is a very weird way of life.
 
2014-03-17 06:58:10 PM  

TetrisBlock: I've got to tell you -- Re-enacting British redcoats at Colonial Williamsburg? It's a goddamned poon-magnet.


I love Colonial Williamsburg
 
2014-03-17 07:00:45 PM  

3horn: mhd:

One of the weirder things I saw 'round here was a bunch of Germans reenacting US Civil War troops. In goshdarn Bavaria, on a teeny-tiny camping lot.

Even weirder:

http://www.utne.com/mind-and-body/germans-weekends-native-americans- in dian-culture.aspx


What's even stranger is that the plains Indians were about as bad on the environment as you could be in that day and age
 
2014-03-17 07:07:28 PM  
Where's the party?
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-17 07:11:38 PM  

JDJoeE: 3horn: mhd:

One of the weirder things I saw 'round here was a bunch of Germans reenacting US Civil War troops. In goshdarn Bavaria, on a teeny-tiny camping lot.

Even weirder:

http://www.utne.com/mind-and-body/germans-weekends-native-americans- in dian-culture.aspx

What's even stranger is that the plains Indians were about as bad on the environment as you could be in that day and age


how so?
 
2014-03-17 07:13:24 PM  

i_dig_chicks: The Nazi's did have the snappiest uniforms is WWII


Of all of the Axis and Allied nations in the war, most had clothing that was utilitarian in their function.  It isn't very memorable.  The German's had military uniforms meant to intimidate.  That's one reason for the preference in their clothing.

The solder uniforms in the movie Starship Troopers were inspired by Nazi uniforms (tied into the backstory on the government in power).  Neil Patrick Harris comes walking out in his officer's uniform and people's jaws in the theater are dropping because Doogie Howser looks like a Nazi.  Part of it is because of the stigma surrounding Nazis, part of it is because he looks evil.
 
2014-03-17 07:14:01 PM  

cherryl taggart: Re-enactors always remind me of white suburban guys trying to act ghetto.  All the wannabes are too immature and/or chicken to really stand up, proudly announce their beliefs and then defend those beliefs.  So they couch it as "cultural admirers" instead of calling it "my attempt to be a thug."


I think I'd be willing to do some sort of historical re-enactment, though it's never really been my thing.  I just don't find entertainment in dressing up.  I don't think it would really bother me to wear a Rebel uniform in a Civil War re-enactment any more than it would bother me to wear a Union one... though I admit, I think I'd feel more than a little uncomfortable sitting around a dinner/party where everyone (including me) is wearing Nazi uniforms.

I do imagine that if I grew up being in a lot of re-enactments (and believe it or not, there's a lot of families who do this sort of thing a lot, like I have a friend who dresses up and does this Lewis and Clark expedition thing every year, where they travel all along the route that the explorers did (and yes, on foot) all dressed-up and outdoorsy like an explorer... (and if he tells you he can hit you running with a tomahawk at 20 yards, he's telling the truth).  For some people, this is just their thing.

I imagine if I've been around this sort of historical re-enactment, I'd be less uncomfortable with the thought.  Maybe I'm naive, but I don't really see this Nazi dinner as being such a heinous war crime as the writer and a lot of people in this thread see it as.
 
2014-03-17 07:17:31 PM  
Meh. Like it or not, the Nazis had way cooler looking uniforms than we did.
 
2014-03-17 07:18:51 PM  

Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.


Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?
 
2014-03-17 07:21:14 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Seriously, though, in any historical re-enactment you won't get very far if nobody plays the loser/"bad guy".  Civil war battles would be a bit stupid if it was just the Union vs. an empty field every time.


As others have stated, a lot of this.  Movie's would be very confusing as well.

Also:  Just because they did something terrible doesn't mean we cannot study the culture and social structure of the German peoples of that time.  Maybe even examine why it was done, or how it was pulled off.

It's not like modern times where information is at our fingertips.  Large swathes of society were not only uneducated in wider politics. The were alive and comfortable, with the only media being spoon fed to them officially.

And if you really look at it, they're not so different from technologically advanced nations today. Our news is spoon fed to us, taints our view of the world.  Look at how many people buy things like the altered Zimmerman calls to police.

Watching only Fox or CNN, you'll more or less fall in line with what they let you know and how they frame it, if you don't happen to also watch other sources or read internet news.

Really, that is the problem with humanity as a whole.  We only know what others tell us or we figure out for ourselves, the later being a case where it takes either a LOT of effort or happenstance of being at the right place at the right time.

Fortunately, the US and other similar places had a government that had different values and allowed a certain amount of information to be disseminated freely and largely without bias.  That's not as true now as it used to be though. Money and politics control the news.

/But no, let's not examine it at all.  Strike Germany from the history books altogether, toss the baby out with the bathwater, we'll all be better off for it.  Silly, smelly little crying thing, it has no potential for goodness whatsoever.
 
2014-03-17 07:32:06 PM  

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


At least the Confederacy only lost once.

Germans, twice over.
 
2014-03-17 07:51:35 PM  

3horn: Riche:

Did somebody say "sexy nazi thread?"

[www.scrapbookpages.com image 480x310]


I'll be in my bunk.
 
2014-03-17 07:54:20 PM  
"Gasthof Zur Gemütlichkeit"?
I guess it's time
 
2014-03-17 07:54:37 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?


Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?
 
2014-03-17 07:55:46 PM  

SurelyShirley: "Gasthof Zur Gemütlichkeit"?
I guess it's time


SurelyShirley: "Gasthof Zur Gemütlichkeit"?
I guess it's time


I'd have bet on "Charlie & His Orchestra".
 
2014-03-17 07:57:11 PM  
I wonder if they made anything in the oven
 
2014-03-17 07:58:25 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?


Are you for real?
 
2014-03-17 08:11:12 PM  

ifky: I wonder if they made anything in the oven


You get a D for effort.
 
2014-03-17 08:33:20 PM  

scottydoesntknow: It's the same as wanting to be the bad guy when you're playing cowboys and Indians. There's an attraction to the bad side."

I'd love to know which side he thinks is bad...


Thanks for covering this.
 
2014-03-17 08:43:17 PM  

3horn: Riche:

Did somebody say "sexy nazi thread?"

[www.scrapbookpages.com image 480x310]


if that's your idea of wank material you're one sick fark, or on The Holocaust speaking tour.
 
2014-03-17 08:48:50 PM  

RexTalionis: 3horn: Then again, I have to ask, why aren't there more regular line soldiers, instead of everyone wearing black and Totenkopfs?

Same reason whenever someone said they were somebody in a past life, nobody says that they were some anonymous pig farmer who died of syphilis after a run-in with a Abilene prostitute.

Hubris, man, hubris.


I always say "It's always a 25,000 year old warrior we're channeling, not a 25,000 year old accountant."  But I may have to steal the pig farmer/syphilis/Abilene hooker line.
 
2014-03-17 08:49:04 PM  

gunther_bumpass: The only thing I learned from watching these reenactors is that WWII was the first war fought entirely by middle-aged fat honkies.


Well, the SS really didn't do the EEO thing, you know.
 
2014-03-17 08:52:57 PM  
 
2014-03-17 08:56:23 PM  
Just don't mention the war!
 
2014-03-17 08:56:24 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: 3horn: mark12A: Bad boys, bad guys are teh sexy. Why so many Darth Vaders and Storm Troopers at Comic-Con? Them thar Nazi's are snappy dressers...

Whenevr someone says that they're always referring to the SS.

You never hear someone say "Boy, those Luftwaffe mechanics sure were snappy dressers!", or "You know what uniforms were really cool? Rommel's Afrika Corps, they wore goggles so often you'd think they were the original steampunks!"

GIS for Afrika Korps uniforms gives us the Afrika Korps Centaur Doll


[i.imgur.com image 300x282]


As long as he doesn't Stinz on the fabric
 
2014-03-17 09:03:31 PM  
Oh I see. The Nazi party wasn't a political party; it was a party, like where you eat and drink.
 
2014-03-17 09:04:20 PM  
Dwight_Yeast

Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history. Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really? What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?

sjcousins Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?


Pretty much everyone they came across. The Romans had a serious lack of empathy for any individual territories they stumbled upon and, like Hitler, seemed bent on taking over the known world.

As for the Nazi Dinner -- well, we have confederate re-enactments all the time -- with some die hard participants going so far as to not only hand stitch their uniforms from authentic cloth, to going weeks 'in the field' without bathing and living as the soldiers of the time would have done.

Don't forget, the US Military more than once, in Western times, wiped out whole villages of native Americans right down to their dogs without a second thought.

The average Nazi soldier was just like any other soldier: obey orders or be severely punished. Our guys got a real good example of that attitude in Vietnam. (Thanks to our government running the war instead of experienced military leaders.) The majority of the guards at the extermination camps were selected top be there because they didn't exactly fit anywhere else. Generals found that having troops gun down unarmed civilians day after day demoralized them, so they started being selective. They also found that camp commanders basically had to be psychopaths and/or sadists.

A lot of Nazi soldiers performed astounding acts of heroism during the war -- just like our guys did, but they'll never be recognized for their efforts. I've pointed out before how some Nazi soldiers actually helped save Jews and get them to safety, and some refused to go from house to house gunning down anything inside as ordered. There are records of Nazi's and US GI's helping each other to survive during killer snow storms and being cut off from their sides in really nasty territory.

Remember, war is started by whatever politicians are in power and usually they have to spend quite a bit of time convincing their people that going out en-mass to kill or be killed is a worthy cause. Even then, many use conscription to fill the ranks. Many manipulate the press and other information outlets. Some nations depend on keeping their military well supplied in bad economic and living conditions so they'll be better off than the majority of the public. That means they'll be more willing to kill for them.

Some nations require mandatory military service from every citizen above a certain age.

I remember the Draft here. A generation of kids grew up knowing that the minute they graduated High School, they risked being dragged into the Army and sent to this nasty, hot, bug infested jungle to become cannon fodder for a war no one wanted.

Your average German soldier was just that: a soldier. He had to put up with the same conditions that every other soldier did during that war. Most fought to basically stay alive and not get the shiat blown out of them by the others, who were also mainly fighting to stay alive.

Go back to the Civil War and you find both sides had prison camps which were comparable to the Nazi extermination camps, only they packed them with captured soldiers. Both the Union and the Confederacy had military leaders who had no problem letting captured soldiers starve, die of exposure, be denied medical care or beaten to death by sadist guards.

They just didn't have the technology to gas everyone.

Then again, consider the Trail Of Tears, the long, forced march some of the Native American Indian tribes were put through, on foot, with insufficient food, water or medical supplies, guarded by the Calvary, who were well supplied but under orders not to share.

Kind of like the infamous Japanese Death March -- around which the book The Bridge Over The River Kwai is based.

They fought and died just as the Allies did. I have no problem if they choose to remember their military men and women. After all, their political leaders were the ones who dragged them all into the mess in the first place.

That started because the Allies, from WW1, were bleeding Germany dry by making them pay heavily for the war. So Germany was in a state of near economical collapse for years.

All it took was a fanatical psychopath with a powerful, charismatic personality, who fed on the hopes, dreams and fears of the masses, to start the ball rolling. Later, his generals would dream up many of the horrendous actions they took and he approved them.
 
2014-03-17 09:05:59 PM  

Datanerd: RexTalionis: 3horn: Then again, I have to ask, why aren't there more regular line soldiers, instead of everyone wearing black and Totenkopfs?

Same reason whenever someone said they were somebody in a past life, nobody says that they were some anonymous pig farmer who died of syphilis after a run-in with a Abilene prostitute.

Hubris, man, hubris.

I always say "It's always a 25,000 year old warrior we're channeling, not a 25,000 year old accountant."  But I may have to steal the pig farmer/syphilis/Abilene hooker line.


Ironically, if you were an accountant 25,000 years ago, they'd probably make you their philosopher-king.

Or, burn you as a witch.  Could go either way, really.
 
2014-03-17 09:22:14 PM  
Rik01: "That started because the Allies, from WW1, were bleeding Germany dry by making them pay heavily for the war. So Germany was in a state of near economical collapse for years."

Common misconception.  I recommend you read The Lords of Finance for a more detailed examination of the cost of Versailles, and Germany's inter-war economic health.

And even if you disagree with the research presented in that book, you still have to remember:  Germany didn't HAVE to sign Versailles; they could've kept on fighting the war THEY started.

Couple that with German right-wingers basically assassinating a prominent liberal or moderate daily for years after WWI...and their courts letting the assassins go, even when caught...blaming the Allies for WWII starts to verge on Holocaust-denier levels of historic revisionism.

Don't go down that road.

It's like the people who blame Chamberlain for not standing up to Hitler...instead of blaming Hitler.

Yes, some German soldiers were heroic, and some Allied soldiers were murderous scum.  And, yes, we did horrible things to the Indians.  Doesn't alter the underlying justice of the Allied cause in WWII, imho.
 
2014-03-17 09:23:01 PM  

RexTalionis: Same reason whenever someone said they were somebody in a past life, nobody says that they were some anonymous pig farmer who died of syphilis after a run-in with a Abilene prostitute.


This actually isn't true. Not that it's terribly important, but it actually isn't true.
 
2014-03-17 09:27:07 PM  

Rik01: Dwight_Yeast

Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history. Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really? What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?

sjcousins Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?

Pretty much everyone they came across. The Romans had a serious lack of empathy for any individual territories they stumbled upon and, like Hitler, seemed bent on taking over the known world.

As for the Nazi Dinner -- well, we have confederate re-enactments all the time -- with some die hard participants going so far as to not only hand stitch their uniforms from authentic cloth, to going weeks 'in the field' without bathing and living as the soldiers of the time would have done.

Don't forget, the US Military more than once, in Western times, wiped out whole villages of native Americans right down to their dogs without a second thought.

The average Nazi soldier was just like any other soldier: obey orders or be severely punished. Our guys got a real good example of that attitude in Vietnam. (Thanks to our government running the war instead of experienced military leaders.) The majority of the guards at the extermination camps were selected top be there because they didn't exactly fit anywhere else. Generals found that having troops gun down unarmed civilians day after day demoralized them, so they started being selective. They also found that camp commanders basically had to be psychopaths and/or sadists.

A lot of Nazi soldiers performed astounding acts of heroism during the war -- just like our guys did, but they'll never be recognized for their efforts. I've pointed out before how some Nazi soldiers actually helped save Jews and get them to safety, and some refused to go from house to house gunning down anything inside as ordered. There are records of Nazi's and US GI's helping each other to survive d ...


You forgot about the trains being on time and all.
 
2014-03-17 09:33:57 PM  

JRoo: Is it any different than an American sticking a feather in his hair and celebrating Thanksgiving?


Pretty sure that the Native Americans didn't put Jews and gays and political dissidents in concentration camps and then gas them.  So there's that difference.
 
2014-03-17 09:37:28 PM  
 
2014-03-17 09:45:39 PM  
I saw this picture the night it happened because I know the guy who forwarded to Citypages. It didn't happen in December. That was taken on MLK day. I still have all of the other pictures and they aren't pretty.
 
2014-03-17 10:02:57 PM  
I had an uncle who brought a Nazi uniform back from the war. When I was a young man I borrowed it, put a little brush mustache under my nose and went to a Halloween costume party as Hitler. It doesn't mean I love Nazis or Hitler. It was just a neat thing to do. I suspect the attitude with these people is much the same. Some may think it is in bad taste, but (so far) there is no law against that in the U.S.
 
2014-03-17 10:09:49 PM  
The time is the present, 1963, and imagine, if you will, a scene
in West Germany where my friends and I are having a little party.
It's quite a private party, we're celebrating the coming holiday
season, Christmas, and the new year. 

On the first day of Christmas
My true love gave to me
A partridge in a pear tree


On the second day of Christmas
My true love gave to me
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the third day of Christmas
My true love gave to me
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the fourth day of Christmas
My true love gave to me
Four top Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the fifth day of Christmas
My true love said to me
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the sixth day of Christmas
We received from Israel
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the seventh day of Christmas
The US sent us free
Seven more million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the eighth day of Christmas
My true love gave to me
A Telefunken H-Bomb
A Telefunken H-Bomb? Ja, a Telefunken H-Bomb.
Let me show you this Telefunken H-Bomb.
It looks just like an ordinary Telefunken Radio.
Except when you're trying to get England,
YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ENGLAND!
Seven million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the ninth day of Christmas
We heard officially
They got the wrong Eichmann
Telefunken H-Bomb
Seven million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the tenth day of Christmas
Long Island sent us free
Ten swastika scribblers
Got the wrong Eichmann
Telefunken H-Bomb
Seven million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the eleventh day of Christmas
We heard officially:
"Monocles are back!"
Ten swastika scribblers
Got the wrong Eichmann
Telefunken H-Bomb
Seven million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear tree


On the twelfth day of Christmas
They told all Germany:
"HE is still alive."
Monocles are back
Ten swastika scribblers
Telefunken H-Bomb
Seven million dollars
Six guided missiles
To Hell with Adenauer
Four Gestapo leaders
Three anti-semites
Rudolf Hess's blessings
And a partridge in a pear - Merry Christmas, everybody - tree


-The Chad Mitchell Trio


http://youtu.be/G7NVob7yomo
 
2014-03-17 10:11:09 PM  
Studying the Nazis (or the Confederates, the Mongols, the Huns, whoever) is extremely important, because it's essential to know why they did what they did, how it was done, who suffered and why, etc.; and how the "good guys" contributed to subsequent resurgences of the same problems. If anyone had bothered to look at what had been done at Versailles in any depth (and a few people did), it could have prevented not just WWII, but also the conflicts in the Middle East, Vietnam, and Africa.

Reenacting the battles of the past, if done with accuracy and verisimilitude is important because it helps us understand why the winners won and the losers lost, but also why the winners didn't win more decisively (as at Antietam for instance) or why the losers inflicted such a Pyrrhic victory (as at Cannae), or how the winners could have won faster next time (as at El Alamein, where the British refusal to convert 3.5" antiaircraft guns to antitank weapons prevented them from knocking down the Panzer Korps).

However, just playing old-tyme war because it's fun turns study into Renaissance Faire b/s; and having dinner parties in Nazi drag (or plantation parties with black servants) is not learning about the past. It's just being dicks.
 
2014-03-17 10:16:47 PM  

sjcousins: Dwight_Yeast: Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?

Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?


The city of Carthage was destroyed, but the Punics in general were mostly fine.
 
2014-03-17 10:52:21 PM  
Historical WWII reenactors are not bothersome. Renfairers and Larpers glorifying the bloody Vikings is disgraceful.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-17 10:59:58 PM  

Mirandized: I had an uncle who brought a Nazi uniform back from the war. When I was a young man I borrowed it, put a little brush mustache under my nose and went to a Halloween costume party as Hitler. It doesn't mean I love Nazis or Hitler. It was just a neat thing to do. I suspect the attitude with these people is much the same. Some may think it is in bad taste, but (so far) there is no law against that in the U.S.


static.fjcdn.com
 
2014-03-17 11:04:30 PM  
imageshack.com
 
2014-03-17 11:09:09 PM  

P. Yorck: sjcousins: Dwight_Yeast: Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?

Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?

The city of Carthage was destroyed, but the Punics in general were mostly fine.


The Romans put the inhabitants of Carthage to the sword and sold the rest into slavery to ensure there would be no 4th Punic war. I don't think that constitutes 'mostly fine' and almost certainly fits the modern definition of genocide.
 
2014-03-17 11:37:09 PM  

puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]


As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift
 
2014-03-17 11:43:18 PM  

sjcousins: P. Yorck: sjcousins: Dwight_Yeast: Alonjar: I really dont understand whats wrong with people enjoying history.  Nobody gets their panties in a bunch if I dress up as a Roman Centurion, and they practiced genocide far more often than the Nazis.

Really?  What groups did the ancient Romans "practice genocide" on?

Know any Carthaginians? I wonder what happened to those guys?

The city of Carthage was destroyed, but the Punics in general were mostly fine.

The Romans put the inhabitants of Carthage to the sword and sold the rest into slavery to ensure there would be no 4th Punic war. I don't think that constitutes 'mostly fine' and almost certainly fits the modern definition of genocide.


And they owned WAY more slaves than the Nazis ever did...
 
2014-03-17 11:58:36 PM  
They're actors.  I can't really feel any rage towards this, because they history geeks re-enacting history wearing outfits.  And the fact that they've done it for over a decade without ANYONE CARING or even finding out ought to be enough evidence that they aren't actually admiring Nazism.  I'll save my disgust for the real white supremacists, thanks.
 
2014-03-18 12:02:42 AM  

logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift


So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.
 
2014-03-18 12:16:34 AM  

bborchar: logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift

So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.


But they are the only ones who have committed race-based, systematic, and institutionalized atrocities in the United States within the last two hundred years.

I'm saying that expressions of pride in one's race, in the United States, in the present, are normally--and I would argue, with good reason--going to be construed as racist if one is white.  That has to do with a complicated set of historical and social facts that have produced the current situation of one group of people (white people) being wildly richer and more powerful than other groups of (non-white) people.
 
2014-03-18 12:36:03 AM  

logic523: bborchar: logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift

So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.

But they are the only ones who have committed race-based, systematic, and institutionalized atrocities in the United States within the last two hundred years.

I'm saying that expressions of pride in one's race, in the United States, in the present, are normally--and I would argue, with good reason--going to be construed as racist if one is white.  That has to do with a complicated set of historical and social facts that have produced the current situation of one group of people (white people) being wildly richer and more powerful than other groups of (non-white) people.


Except black people who have attacked white people based on race alone.

Except asians who have done the same to blacks and whites

And mexicans who have done the same to all three..

yes, except all the other race based systematic and institutionalized atrocities, whites are the only people...
 
2014-03-18 01:12:11 AM  
i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-18 01:35:36 AM  

bborchar: logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift

So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.


"I'm proud of being American," said the white person.
 
2014-03-18 01:53:31 AM  

atomicmask: logic523: bborchar: logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift

So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.

But they are the only ones who have committed race-based, systematic, and institutionalized atrocities in the United States within the last two hundred years.

I'm saying that expressions of pride in one's race, in the United States, in the present, are normally--and I would argue, with good reason--going to be construed as racist if one is white.  That has to do with a complicated set of historical and social facts that have produced the current situation of one group of people (white people) being wildly richer and more powerful than other groups of (non-white) people.

Except black people who have attacked white people based on race alone.

Except asians who have done the same to blacks and whites

And mexicans who have done the same to all three..

yes, except all the other race based systematic and institutionalized atrocities, whites are the only people...


In the United States?  When were Asians in charge in such a way that they could institutionalize systematic oppression of blacks and whites in the United States?  When were Mexicans rich and powerful in the United States? I'm making a point about America's national history and social organization and how those factors make it in this country, in this time, generally speaking, racist when white people say things like "I'm proud of my white race."
 
2014-03-18 02:33:26 AM  

logic523: atomicmask: logic523: bborchar: logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift

So it's not possible for any white person to be 'proud' and not racist?  Because white people aren't the only ones who have committed atrocities over the years.

But they are the only ones who have committed race-based, systematic, and institutionalized atrocities in the United States within the last two hundred years.

I'm saying that expressions of pride in one's race, in the United States, in the present, are normally--and I would argue, with good reason--going to be construed as racist if one is white.  That has to do with a complicated set of historical and social facts that have produced the current situation of one group of people (white people) being wildly richer and more powerful than other groups of (non-white) people.

Except black people who have attacked white people based on race alone.

Except asians who have done the same to blacks and whites

And mexicans who have done the same to all three..

yes, except all the other race based systematic and institutionalized atrocities, whites are the only people...

In the United States?  When were Asians in charge in such a way that they could institutionalize systematic oppression of blacks and whites in the United States?  When were Mexicans rich and powerful in the United States? I'm making a point about America's national history and social organization and how those factors make it in this country, in this time, generally speaking, racist when white people say things like "I'm proud of my white race."


Yes White Americans, hang your heads in shame.

I'm White and I'm proud. I don't mind if other races say the same. If that makes me a racist, so be it.  All races have things they can be proud of and they are. All races have things they are ashamed of as well.
 
2014-03-18 02:59:31 AM  
Don't mention the war
 
2014-03-18 03:43:40 AM  
It's just a game...

i57.tinypic.com
 
mhd
2014-03-18 05:13:35 AM  

3horn: Even weirder:

http://www.utne.com/mind-and-body/germans-weekends-native-americans- in dian-culture.aspx


That never struck as particularly odd. Even your regular boy scouts often engage in some activities modeled upon popular views of Native American culture, and this is just that plus costumes and even more "noble savage" attitudes. We can argue about the morals and about "redface", but at least I can see a reason why someone would do that. Especially considering that basically no one in Germany ever met a real Native American and the most popular novels about the Wild West are the ridiculous imaginings of a 19th century German teacher...

But I just couldn't see the incentive for Civil War camping. It's not that much removed from our times, so it's not an exercise in "how did people live back then", like you'd get with Roman or Celtic reenactors, there was no actual battle, and if you're a blackpowder enthusiast, why not do something more local?

I'm not passing a value judgment on this, I just don't get the motivation. The uniforms aren't that cool.
 
2014-03-18 07:12:22 AM  

fusillade762: Boorom insists that attendees are not neo-Nazis or "political racists," just merely cultural admirers.

That's good, I'll have to remember that line.


John Gill agrees.
 
Rat [TotalFark]
2014-03-18 08:03:44 AM  
Some can do it, and almost make it endearing.

img.fark.net

™ but not the guys in the photo, that was just wrong

And I don't know any of my relatives that didn't laugh their collective asses off at Shultz...oy
 
2014-03-18 09:10:37 AM  

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


If you're going to reenact historical events with clear villains, then someone's got to play those villains. I find events like this distasteful, but when people stuck with this duty try to pull some enjoyment out of it, I find it difficult to begrudge them. The alternative can't be any better for the psyche, can it?
 
2014-03-18 10:49:55 AM  

3horn: I'll never understand these folks who like to celebrate being on the losing side.

Same goes for fans of the Confederacy.


They're losers.  And proud of it.
 
2014-03-18 01:58:22 PM  

logic523: puddleonfire: [imageshack.com image 250x960]

As soon as white people aren't the huge majority of government officials, corporate executives, bankers, movie stars, and anyone with more than a million bucks, then, THEN, white people can start saying that they are proud of their race without being obviously racist.

/maybe a decade or two after the shift


But they clearly have so much to be proud of, by your testimony!
 
2014-03-18 03:28:45 PM  

logic523: In the United States? When were Asians in charge in such a way that they could institutionalize systematic oppression of blacks and whites in the United States?


I grew up in a neighborhood that was predominantly southeast Asian (mostly refugees from the Vietnam war).  If you were a white kid with a paper route, you got your ass kicked.  If you were a white kid in the wrong apartment complex, you got your ass kicked.  If you were a white boy dating an Asian girl, you got your ass kicked.  And after any ass kicking, there was a chance they'd take your coat or bike.

It wasn't slavery, but it was still racism.

Also, the idea that racial minorities can't be racist themselves is a good way to pave the way for racism in the future.  Eventually we're going to have a majority minority population in this country.  In areas where a specific non-Caucasian population becomes a super-majority, you run the risk of retaliatory racism and/or nationalism because "they're in charge now".
 
2014-03-18 08:46:07 PM  
On a side note the food at the Gasthoff Zur Gemutlichkeit is absolutely delicious.
Next location for a Fark party?
 
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