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(Slate)   "Frozen" may be a partial remake of "Watchmen." Hrm   (slate.com) divider line 66
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2014-03-17 01:39:09 PM  
I believe subby is thinking of 'the incredibles'
 
2014-03-17 02:08:13 PM  
Probably better too.

/haven't seen Frozen but the Watchmen GN and Movie was a steaming pile
 
2014-03-17 02:35:52 PM  
Um....no.

Elsa is not Doctor Manhattan.  No.
 
2014-03-17 03:21:20 PM  
So because their respective palaces have pointy towers they're exactly the same?
 
2014-03-17 03:30:19 PM  

Ambivalence: Um....no.

Elsa is not Doctor Manhattan.  No.


GIANT BLUE LADYDONG
 
2014-03-17 03:49:45 PM  
Well i've already seen the Frozen Rule 34 re-enactment of the love scene in Watchmen, repeatedly.

/don't judge me
 
2014-03-17 03:50:34 PM  
Honest Trailers has a hilarious clip of just how repetitive and derivative these movies are.
 
2014-03-17 04:22:35 PM  

NutWrench: Honest Trailers has a hilarious clip of just how repetitive and derivative these movies are.


A fairy tale hasn't been original since we've learned to write. That's not why we like them.
 
2014-03-17 04:25:19 PM  
It's almost like they were both building some kind of fortress to ensure their solitude... but I'm sure that's only been done in Watchmen and no other comic.
 
2014-03-17 05:17:44 PM  
Because Elsa builds a castle out of ice and Dr Manhattan builds a glass castle out of sand?  That makes it a "partial remake"?

I'd say it's more of a homage.
 
2014-03-17 05:19:52 PM  

nmrsnr: NutWrench: Honest Trailers has a hilarious clip of just how repetitive and derivative these movies are.

A fairy tale hasn't been original since we've learned to write. That's not why we like them.


So then what good is the word "original" if it has no reference in reality? Shall we phase it out of the English language?
 
2014-03-17 05:20:00 PM  
I think I missed the part with Rorschach and the pedophile.
 
2014-03-17 05:27:32 PM  

ArkAngel: So because their respective palaces have pointy towers they're exactly the same?


By that standard, they're both the same as The Little Mermaid -- full of penises.

img703.imageshack.us

/Hey, wait a minute!
 
2014-03-17 05:28:02 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: So then what good is the word "original" if it has no reference in reality? Shall we phase it out of the English language?


I said no such thing. I said the fairy tale is not an original story. It's "a tale as old as time" to borrow from a different fairy tale. They deal in tropes. The stories are all the same, and that's why we like them. The trappings keep it fresh, but the story is old, and that's why we keep coming back.

There's a place for original story telling, fairy tales are not it.
 
2014-03-17 05:29:49 PM  
Various people have noted that the "Let It Go" sequence from Frozen bears a surprising resemblance to the Mars sequence from Watchmen. Both sequences find our heroes (Elsa in Frozen, Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen) exiled in a distant, lifeless location contemplating whether to wield their powers, because they have been accused of being dangerous to others.

Yeah, because crystal palaces and exile aren't common themes AT ALL.
 
2014-03-17 05:31:25 PM  
When I was watching Frozen in the theater, I thought it was a blatant rip off. But I also assume that I was just being a super nerd. Apparently I'm not the only one. There just aren't too many times that a character rises up as they form a crystalline palace underneath them. They could have tried to differentiate it a bit more.
 
2014-03-17 05:33:27 PM  
www.theweeklings.com

"all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "Let it go."
 
2014-03-17 05:35:13 PM  
I missed seeing any of the women in frozen getting topless and having sex with a man in his vehicle

i'm sure there's porn of it already, but hey i'm at work
 
2014-03-17 05:38:42 PM  

AeAe: Because Elsa builds a castle out of ice and Dr Manhattan builds a glass castle out of sand?  That makes it a "partial remake"?

I'd say it's more of a homage.


www.technovelgy.com
 
2014-03-17 05:39:39 PM  

enry: Probably better too.

/haven't seen Frozen but the Watchmen GN and Movie was a steaming pile


I brought this up in the last Watchmen thread and nobody had anything to say...but I'm genuinely curious: are you just trolling, or have we finally reached a point where hipster contrarianism now has people saying that Watchman was a shiatty graphic novel?

Because that's an absurd position.
 
2014-03-17 06:10:30 PM  

Scrotastic Method: enry: Probably better too.

/haven't seen Frozen but the Watchmen GN and Movie was a steaming pile

I brought this up in the last Watchmen thread and nobody had anything to say...but I'm genuinely curious: are you just trolling, or have we finally reached a point where hipster contrarianism now has people saying that Watchman was a shiatty graphic novel?

Because that's an absurd position.



No matter how pretty the girl, how tasty the food, how beautiful the landscape, how glorious the victory, how clever the story, how brilliant the insight... there's always someone who wants nothing more than to shiat all over it. It usually says nothing about the object of their disdain, and really only tells you something about themselves.
 
2014-03-17 06:14:11 PM  

mongbiohazard: Scrotastic Method: enry: Probably better too.

/haven't seen Frozen but the Watchmen GN and Movie was a steaming pile

I brought this up in the last Watchmen thread and nobody had anything to say...but I'm genuinely curious: are you just trolling, or have we finally reached a point where hipster contrarianism now has people saying that Watchman was a shiatty graphic novel?

Because that's an absurd position.


No matter how pretty the girl, how tasty the food, how beautiful the landscape, how glorious the victory, how clever the story, how brilliant the insight... there's always someone who wants nothing more than to shiat all over it. It usually says nothing about the object of their disdain, and really only tells you something about themselves.


Totally. I just want to hear whatever defense someone could cook up to say that Watchmen was a shiat graphic novel.
 
2014-03-17 06:16:05 PM  

Scrotastic Method: enry: Probably better too.

/haven't seen Frozen but the Watchmen GN and Movie was a steaming pile

I brought this up in the last Watchmen thread and nobody had anything to say...but I'm genuinely curious: are you just trolling, or have we finally reached a point where hipster contrarianism now has people saying that Watchman was a shiatty graphic novel?

Because that's an absurd position.


No trolling. Didn't like it at all.

/owns a TV, hasn't had a PBR in 20 years
 
2014-03-17 06:19:04 PM  

NutWrench: Honest Trailers has a hilarious clip of just how repetitive and derivative these movies are.


Honest Trailers has a hilarious clip of just how repetitive and derivative these movies are.
 
2014-03-17 06:26:17 PM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: Ambivalence: Um....no.

Elsa is not Doctor Manhattan.  No.

GIANT BLUE LADYDONG


Navi Chyna?
 
2014-03-17 06:26:27 PM  

Scrotastic Method: mongbiohazard: Scrotastic Method: enry: Probably better too.

/haven't seen Frozen but the Watchmen GN and Movie was a steaming pile

I brought this up in the last Watchmen thread and nobody had anything to say...but I'm genuinely curious: are you just trolling, or have we finally reached a point where hipster contrarianism now has people saying that Watchman was a shiatty graphic novel?

Because that's an absurd position.


No matter how pretty the girl, how tasty the food, how beautiful the landscape, how glorious the victory, how clever the story, how brilliant the insight... there's always someone who wants nothing more than to shiat all over it. It usually says nothing about the object of their disdain, and really only tells you something about themselves.

Totally. I just want to hear whatever defense someone could cook up to say that Watchmen was a shiat graphic novel.


No real plot, didn't care about any of the characters involved. Rorschach was interesting, but that was about it. The were were washed up heroes trying for a last hurrah and showing general disdain for everything. I can see how The Incredible is a rip off, but it's a better plot.
 
2014-03-17 06:27:24 PM  

enry: Scrotastic Method: enry: Probably better too.

/haven't seen Frozen but the Watchmen GN and Movie was a steaming pile

I brought this up in the last Watchmen thread and nobody had anything to say...but I'm genuinely curious: are you just trolling, or have we finally reached a point where hipster contrarianism now has people saying that Watchman was a shiatty graphic novel?

Because that's an absurd position.

No trolling. Didn't like it at all.

/owns a TV, hasn't had a PBR in 20 years


Alright, you have the floor: lets hear it
 
2014-03-17 06:34:02 PM  

enry: No real plot


Not only did it have a very simple real plot -- superheroes trying to figure out who's killing superheroes, unveil a conspiracy -- there's more subtext, allusion, metaphor, reference, and everything else in there than, well, much of anything really.

Did you just watch the movie? Because you said "GN and book" up top...if you only half-assed watched the movie, that comment if forgivable, but if you actually read the book and said "no plot" then the error's on your end, one of those PEBKAC-type failures...
 
2014-03-17 06:45:52 PM  

Scrotastic Method: enry: Probably better too.

/haven't seen Frozen but the Watchmen GN and Movie was a steaming pile

I brought this up in the last Watchmen thread and nobody had anything to say...but I'm genuinely curious: are you just trolling, or have we finally reached a point where hipster contrarianism now has people saying that Watchman was a shiatty graphic novel?

Because that's an absurd position.


I'm not a big fan of the GN either, granted I don't think it's total shiat either. I just don't get the hype about it. Maybe it's because I read it years after it was relevant or popular, but I thought it was just ok. The pirate comic interludes and the excerpts from different interviews and publications and whatnot were kind of annoying IMO. And the whole world uniting because the squid vagina thing was kinda retarded and seemed like a bit of a dumb idea to come from someone as intelligent as Veidt was supposed to be. I mean why would the whole world be united when just a single city/country was attacked? You'd be better off having multiple attacks like that the world over.
 
2014-03-17 06:48:34 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: You'd be better off having multiple attacks like that the world over.


Because the most deadly powerful idea in human history has been "us vs. them." An alien attack gave "us" the ultimate "them." There didn't really need to be more than one.
 
2014-03-17 06:48:54 PM  

NutWrench: Honest Trailers has a hilarious clip of just how repetitive and derivative these movies are.


Everything is farking derivative. Nothing is original. George Lucas stole from Kurosawa. Kurosawa stole from Shakespeare. Shakespeare stole from earlier folk tales (for anyone who doesn't know, Romeo and Juliet is an Italian folk tale that became a book and then Shakespeare took it and rewrote it into the play we know today).

What matters isn't that people steal, it's how well they steal and what they do with it.
 
2014-03-17 06:51:55 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Dingleberry Dickwad: You'd be better off having multiple attacks like that the world over.

Because the most deadly powerful idea in human history has been "us vs. them." An alien attack gave "us" the ultimate "them." There didn't really need to be more than one.


Except that in reality you'd have plenty of the countries that hate the US saying "Good they deserved it!" and not giving a flying fark unless other attacks had popped up other places and there was a chance it could happen to them. Short term yes, that single attack against a single nation would provide an "ultimate them" as you called it, but long term it wouldn't do shiat, and Veidt wasn't shown to be that short sighted.
 
2014-03-17 06:56:35 PM  
Ah........fark you guys and you're poo-pooing.

I think that'd be cool.
At least it would make me like that movie better than I did.
 
2014-03-17 06:59:59 PM  
Well, I will say that in Frozen when she created the castle I immediately saw the similarities between that magical construction imagery, rising up from the snow in Frozen, and rising up from the sand on Mars in Watchmen. But other than that there was nothing about the two movies that was the same that I can recall.
 
2014-03-17 07:12:27 PM  

Scrotastic Method: enry: No real plot

Not only did it have a very simple real plot -- superheroes trying to figure out who's killing superheroes, unveil a conspiracy -- there's more subtext, allusion, metaphor, reference, and everything else in there than, well, much of anything really.

Did you just watch the movie? Because you said "GN and book" up top...if you only half-assed watched the movie, that comment if forgivable, but if you actually read the book and said "no plot" then the error's on your end, one of those PEBKAC-type failures...


Stop liking what I don't like!
 
2014-03-17 07:40:20 PM  
The part where Anna and Kristof screw each other while "Hallelujah" plays on the soundtrack is a real giveaway.
 
2014-03-17 07:56:50 PM  

NutWrench: Honest Trailers has a hilarious clip of just how repetitive and derivative these movies are.


I think we have different definitions of 'hilarious'.  That was a 'scary movie' amusing clip at best.

It's not really funny when 'honest' means 'we're going to shiat on the movie for laughs'.

I haven't seen the movie and wasn't even aware it was a Disney musical, just thought it was a pixar thing.
 
2014-03-17 08:12:25 PM  

kroonermanblack: NutWrench: Honest Trailers has a hilarious clip of just how repetitive and derivative these movies are.

I think we have different definitions of 'hilarious'.  That was a 'scary movie' amusing clip at best.

It's not really funny when 'honest' means 'we're going to shiat on the movie for laughs'.

I haven't seen the movie and wasn't even aware it was a Disney musical, just thought it was a pixar thing.


See, they aren't really shiatting on the movie. That's basically how the entire thing goes, but for someone reason Let It Go is so awesome that Shakespeare would have to write lyrics for Elton John to write a musical for Stephen Sondheim to produce for Idina Menzel to star in before anyone will ever be allowed to stop recording their shiatty versions of it.
 
2014-03-17 08:30:42 PM  
Arendelle is afraid of me. I have seen its true face.  The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of ice and when the drains finally melt over, all the vermin will drown.  The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "I'm Olaf and I like warm hugs!"
 
2014-03-17 09:09:40 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Scrotastic Method: Dingleberry Dickwad: You'd be better off having multiple attacks like that the world over.

Because the most deadly powerful idea in human history has been "us vs. them." An alien attack gave "us" the ultimate "them." There didn't really need to be more than one.

Except that in reality you'd have plenty of the countries that hate the US saying "Good they deserved it!" and not giving a flying fark unless other attacks had popped up other places and there was a chance it could happen to them. Short term yes, that single attack against a single nation would provide an "ultimate them" as you called it, but long term it wouldn't do shiat, and Veidt wasn't shown to be that short sighted.


Deserved what? A random bolt from the blue from an alien threat that could annihilate all of earth for no known reason? All of earth would join in the solution because they could be next. The nuclear arms race would have looked like peanuts before this alien threat.

Veidt was INDEED shown to be that short sighted, because Doctor Manhattan SPECIFICALLY AND CLEARLY CALLS HIM ON THAT. "Nothing ever ends..." remember?
 
2014-03-17 09:14:24 PM  

Lokasenna: kroonermanblack: NutWrench: Honest Trailers has a hilarious clip of just how repetitive and derivative these movies are.

I think we have different definitions of 'hilarious'.  That was a 'scary movie' amusing clip at best.

It's not really funny when 'honest' means 'we're going to shiat on the movie for laughs'.

I haven't seen the movie and wasn't even aware it was a Disney musical, just thought it was a pixar thing.

See, they aren't really shiatting on the movie. That's basically how the entire thing goes, but for someone reason Let It Go is so awesome that Shakespeare would have to write lyrics for Elton John to write a musical for Stephen Sondheim to produce for Idina Menzel to star in before anyone will ever be allowed to stop recording their shiatty versions of it.


Except the best song in the movie is the reprise of "The First Time in Forever", followed by just how *dark* "Do You Want to build a Snowman?" is.

Nah, they're just the usual people who derive joke in mocking what other people like.

Also: He's asking when you're coming home.
 
2014-03-17 09:15:53 PM  
(Stupid Fark filter. It tested right. Trying again)


He asks when you're coming home:
media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
 
2014-03-17 09:28:04 PM  
the naked blue man of the watchmen threw me off in theaters
 
2014-03-17 09:29:18 PM  

TheZorker: Lokasenna: kroonermanblack: NutWrench: Honest Trailers has a hilarious clip of just how repetitive and derivative these movies are.

I think we have different definitions of 'hilarious'.  That was a 'scary movie' amusing clip at best.

It's not really funny when 'honest' means 'we're going to shiat on the movie for laughs'.

I haven't seen the movie and wasn't even aware it was a Disney musical, just thought it was a pixar thing.

See, they aren't really shiatting on the movie. That's basically how the entire thing goes, but for someone reason Let It Go is so awesome that Shakespeare would have to write lyrics for Elton John to write a musical for Stephen Sondheim to produce for Idina Menzel to star in before anyone will ever be allowed to stop recording their shiatty versions of it.

Except the best song in the movie is the reprise of "The First Time in Forever", followed by just how *dark* "Do You Want to build a Snowman?" is.

Nah, they're just the usual people who derive joke in mocking what other people like.

Also: He's asking when you're coming home.


I'm not sure what your point is, since I wasn't trolling. I genuinely don't understand the appeal of the movie or the song, and I agree with everything they mentioned in the Honest Trailer. And yes, I have seen the movie.
 
2014-03-17 09:35:25 PM  

Lokasenna: TheZorker: Lokasenna: kroonermanblack: NutWrench: Honest Trailers has a hilarious clip of just how repetitive and derivative these movies are.

I think we have different definitions of 'hilarious'.  That was a 'scary movie' amusing clip at best.

It's not really funny when 'honest' means 'we're going to shiat on the movie for laughs'.

I haven't seen the movie and wasn't even aware it was a Disney musical, just thought it was a pixar thing.

See, they aren't really shiatting on the movie. That's basically how the entire thing goes, but for someone reason Let It Go is so awesome that Shakespeare would have to write lyrics for Elton John to write a musical for Stephen Sondheim to produce for Idina Menzel to star in before anyone will ever be allowed to stop recording their shiatty versions of it.

Except the best song in the movie is the reprise of "The First Time in Forever", followed by just how *dark* "Do You Want to build a Snowman?" is.

Nah, they're just the usual people who derive joke in mocking what other people like.

Also: He's asking when you're coming home.

I'm not sure what your point is, since I wasn't trolling. I genuinely don't understand the appeal of the movie or the song, and I agree with everything they mentioned in the Honest Trailer. And yes, I have seen the movie.



In context of the thread, I suggest reading/watching Stephen King's Carrie, then going to see it again.
 
2014-03-17 09:41:33 PM  
What's the rule about headlines that are phrased in the form of a yes/no question?

Yeah, that.
 
2014-03-17 09:42:12 PM  

Fano: Dingleberry Dickwad: Scrotastic Method: Dingleberry Dickwad: You'd be better off having multiple attacks like that the world over.

Because the most deadly powerful idea in human history has been "us vs. them." An alien attack gave "us" the ultimate "them." There didn't really need to be more than one.

Except that in reality you'd have plenty of the countries that hate the US saying "Good they deserved it!" and not giving a flying fark unless other attacks had popped up other places and there was a chance it could happen to them. Short term yes, that single attack against a single nation would provide an "ultimate them" as you called it, but long term it wouldn't do shiat, and Veidt wasn't shown to be that short sighted.

Deserved what? A random bolt from the blue from an alien threat that could annihilate all of earth for no known reason? All of earth would join in the solution because they could be next. The nuclear arms race would have looked like peanuts before this alien threat.

Veidt was INDEED shown to be that short sighted, because Doctor Manhattan SPECIFICALLY AND CLEARLY CALLS HIM ON THAT. "Nothing ever ends..." remember?


Allah did it!

That's all they'll need to justify the idea that we deserved it.
 
2014-03-17 09:50:19 PM  
Yeah, no.
 
2014-03-17 10:32:45 PM  
Guys, just let it go, let it go, you'll never win this way, let it go, let it go, Disney has our little girls enslaved.

I was driving today, to an irish party, but my girlfriend kept that song, on repeat, it bore its way into my head, let the pain end, I don't like life anyways.
 
2014-03-17 10:35:19 PM  

mongbiohazard: Scrotastic Method: enry: Probably better too.

/haven't seen Frozen but the Watchmen GN and Movie was a steaming pile

I brought this up in the last Watchmen thread and nobody had anything to say...but I'm genuinely curious: are you just trolling, or have we finally reached a point where hipster contrarianism now has people saying that Watchman was a shiatty graphic novel?

Because that's an absurd position.


No matter how pretty the girl, how tasty the food, how beautiful the landscape, how glorious the victory, how clever the story, how brilliant the insight... there's always someone who wants nothing more than to shiat all over it. It usually says nothing about the object of their disdain, and really only tells you something about themselves.


www.filmmakermagazine.com
 
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