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(ACLU)   Court rules against creationist teacher who ridiculed Buddhist student. Where is your Bodhisattva now?   (aclu.org) divider line 141
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2014-03-17 03:39:38 PM  

somedude210: mlorton: There was a tremendous evacuation of Vietnamese (Theraveda Buddhist and Catholic) to the US after the war. Many settled in Louisiana because of the similarity of climate.

The family in the article was Thai, though.

well there was a big influx of Thai and Cambodans in the same time period at the end of the war so that makes sense.

Come to think of it, Mahayana Buddhism is really only what you'd find in China/Tibet/Japan. Southeast Asia is predominantly Theraveda. Kinda like how the Northeast is predominantly Catholic while the rest of the US is mostly Christian. Same kinda dynamic.

vudukungfu: Oh, I bash all religions equally.
If there were enlightenment, it could be taught.
If there were a way to eternal life, it could be achieved.
But there is no spiritual shortcut for attaining what mortals desire.

Eternal life could be thought of more as your soul, which lives on long after your physical body has passed on. Therefore, you could achieve eternal life if you look at it that way.

Enlightenment cannot be taught, the methods to find a way to it can be taught, but if you could teach enlightenment, would it really be enlightenment? Like all things, enlightenment is something different to all people.

The journey is what gets the mortal what they want, the end result isn't what the person desires, but the experiences one gains from the journey and the development of the mind in the process. That, ultimately, is what all mortals desire.


Memphis Tennessee has a "little Saigon" and I remember reading a few years back about Viet gangs clearing the neighborhood around the temple of other crime
 
2014-03-17 03:40:34 PM  
bluefoxicy: what I imagine the Constitution in my head says.

Just stop. STAHP.
 
2014-03-17 03:40:50 PM  
As a long-time Buddhist, I've been getting kicks out of this for a lifetime or more.
 
2014-03-17 03:47:33 PM  
bluefoxicy: I have been through this battle.  When I was in 5th grade I decided that the Pledge of Allegiance was incompatible with my personal ideals:  that swearing to stand beside a country regardless of its behavior, to fight for them for any and all reasons, was a foolish endeavor and left open too many questions of morality.  Thus I refused to participatewas just as starved for attention as I am today, and although as a 12-year old I lacked the "sophisticated" worldview that I have come to adopt in my adult years, this conjured-up memory is what I wish could have been true.  Anyway, I am a contrarian.  There. That feels better.

FTFY.
 
2014-03-17 03:48:56 PM  

There I Was: bluefoxicy: I have been through this battle.  When I was in 5th grade I decided that the Pledge of Allegiance was incompatible with my personal ideals:  that swearing to stand beside a country regardless of its behavior, to fight for them for any and all reasons, was a foolish endeavor and left open too many questions of morality.  Thus I refused to participatewas just as starved for attention as I am today, and although as a 12-year old I lacked the "sophisticated" worldview that I have come to adopt in my adult years, this conjured-up memory is what I wish could have been true.  Anyway, I am a contrarian.  There. That feels better.

FTFY.


If I had coffee, you would owe me a new keyboard for that.
 
2014-03-17 03:58:49 PM  

dittybopper: Can you show me?


The teacher just has a problem with everything.
 
2014-03-17 04:04:18 PM  
vudukungfu

Kind of like Christians being more . . . Oh.
never mind.
Like fark's bigot brigade who feels it's just to call anyone who is holds a judeo christian belief any name in the book? And the moderators that defend that bigotry?
 
2014-03-17 04:06:17 PM  
So the teacher did not argue for equal time? You know, teach the controversy and all that.
 
2014-03-17 04:07:19 PM  
How the ruling said it:

"A federal district court entered an order requiring the school district to refrain from unconstitutionally promoting or denigrating religion."

How the school hears it:

"A federal district court entered an order requiring the school district to  words words words stuff blah blah blah words refrain from  words words denigrating religion."

And then they'll say "But stomping on them hoe moes IS me practicing mah rellijus freedumz!"
 
2014-03-17 04:09:16 PM  

OnlyM3: vudukungfu

Kind of like Christians being more . . . Oh.
never mind. Like fark's bigot brigade who feels it's just to call anyone who is holds a judeo christian belief any name in the book? And the moderators that defend that bigotry?


Sounds awfully whiny for someone from a "...turn the other cheek" teaching.
 
2014-03-17 04:09:35 PM  

OnlyM3: vudukungfu

Kind of like Christians being more . . . Oh.
never mind. Like fark's bigot brigade who feels it's just to call anyone who is holds a judeo christian belief any name in the book? And the moderators that defend that bigotry?


Leave us the fark out of your maunderings.
 
2014-03-17 04:11:33 PM  

firemanbuck: OnlyM3: vudukungfu

Kind of like Christians being more . . . Oh.
never mind. Like fark's bigot brigade who feels it's just to call anyone who is holds a judeo christian belief any name in the book? And the moderators that defend that bigotry?

Sounds awfully whiny for someone from a "...turn the other cheek" teaching.


He seems to run to every thread which mentions christians, hoping to be a victim of oppression.
 
2014-03-17 04:19:58 PM  
symptomoftheuniverse


More oppression of helpless god fearin' Christians by heathen furiners.

You must be a real kick in threads where one black man commits some crime.

// a bigot is a bigot.
 
2014-03-17 04:20:02 PM  

Dragonflew: He seems to run to every thread which mentions christians, hoping to be a victim of oppression.


And I don't know why. I told him I sold my lions years ago.
 
2014-03-17 04:26:52 PM  
If only there were some one-word expression I could use to describe a sort of what-goes-around-comes-around, what-you-reap-you-sow like idea...
 
2014-03-17 04:29:11 PM  
It's funny when they spout off about how violent and evil Muslims are, when they've been just as bad. Maybe worse.
 
2014-03-17 04:41:36 PM  

Dadoody: It's funny when they spout off about how violent and evil Muslims are, when they've been just as bad. Maybe worse.


No one expects the Spanish inquisition!
 
2014-03-17 04:47:33 PM  

bluefoxicy: Saying a bunch of stuff about what you contemplate about a law doesn't mean that's what the law says.


I lol'd.
 
2014-03-17 04:49:02 PM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: What kind of uneducated inbred hick would yell, "You f*cking n*gger Asian-loving biatch"?

Seriously, is that supposed to be an insult or do you have Tourette's?


Inbred hick?

Try "respected member of the community and devout, Bible-believing Christian".

This is Mississippi.  Nuke it from orbit.
 
2014-03-17 04:54:37 PM  

vudukungfu: If there were enlightenment, it could be taught.


Teach me to paint as well as the greatest artists of all time. If you cannot, skill in art does not exist.

Teach me write books that rival the greatest ever written. If you cannot, skill in writing books does not exist.


Do you get the point yet?
 
2014-03-17 04:54:54 PM  

Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: squirrelflavoredyogurt: What kind of uneducated inbred hick would yell, "You f*cking n*gger Asian-loving biatch"?

Seriously, is that supposed to be an insult or do you have Tourette's?

Inbred hick?

Try "respected member of the community and devout, Bible-believing Christian".

This is Mississippi.  Nuke it from orbit.


The judges would have also accepted "Elder in the church"
 
2014-03-17 05:05:43 PM  

Egoy3k: Wait a second, I've been told numerous times that the ACLU is an atheist organization with a single goal of banning all religion but here they are representing the religious.


Late to the party, but this is a good link to have along your thinking

http://www.aclufightsforchristians.com/
 
2014-03-17 05:14:06 PM  

Dragonflew: One, two...test... Good afternoon, ladies and gentleman.
We're glad you made it here tonight, because you gonna miss out -- you can tell your friend tomorrow that they gonna miss out on a goddamn good thing we gonna give you tonight.


Yeah. Right on. What we gone give you tonight is to be down to the nitty-gritty. Yeah. You can tell all your friends way over in the...hell, hell, I don't care...you can tell 'em in, in over there in Watts.
You can tell 'em they met...you can tell 'em tonight that Santa Monica ha ben definitely set awn fi-ya. And they met...and they met out on a damn good thing. The best thing that ever happened to Santa Monica is gonna be here tonight. Yeah.
And you can also, all you little ol' pretty, purty, little pretty one...ha...if he ain't here tonight...ha...you can tell him forget it, too, you know...Because Mister Whatever is here tonight...he gone get down tonight, brutha...he gonna get with it...he gone give you something that Santa Maukida never had...if it good to ya, it gotta be good for ya. Right on. Yeah. And one thing I can tell ya, brother...he is here tonight. Mister Magnificant One is here, the Beautiful One is here...and you little ol' pretty one here too...you know, whatever. Here is the Magnificant One, the one and only one, Mister Steely Dan and Whatever...



You left off the "BLEEEEEP!   A HAHAHAHAHAHAHawwww"

/love Jerome
 
2014-03-17 05:27:22 PM  

Necronic: How stupid can a school be to think that any of that's acceptable?


It's in Louisiana.
 
2014-03-17 05:39:03 PM  

whosits_112: scottydoesntknow: Necronic: How stupid can a school be to think that any of that's acceptable?

Louisiana. Public. School.

If that doesn't answer your question, I don't know what will.

Beat me to it. Unless you live in NOLA or Baton Rouge, that whole state is pretty much the epitomy of herp-a-derp.


Hey, hey, hey. I live in south Louisiana (look up Houma and you'll see), and our public schools are actually quite good for the most part. No religion, no prayers at football games, and gteat academics at three of our four public high schools. It's when you go west and north in Louisiana that the banjos start dueling.
 
2014-03-17 05:42:04 PM  

Necronic: How stupid can a school be to think that any of that's acceptable?


They're not stupid. Well, not that stupid. They're evil. They're Christian Dominionists, and they burn with hatred for America, the First Amendment, and everything they represent.
 
2014-03-17 05:43:02 PM  

maram500: whosits_112: scottydoesntknow: Necronic: How stupid can a school be to think that any of that's acceptable?

Louisiana. Public. School.

If that doesn't answer your question, I don't know what will.

Beat me to it. Unless you live in NOLA or Baton Rouge, that whole state is pretty much the epitomy of herp-a-derp.

Hey, hey, hey. I live in south Louisiana (look up Houma and you'll see), and our public schools are actually quite good for the most part. No religion, no prayers at football games, and gteat academics at three of our four public high schools. It's when you go west and north in Louisiana that the banjos start dueling.


My apologies. My experience hasn't taken me to Houma, but the parts you metioned are the ones I've been through, and I always make sure to watch my cornhole when passing through.
 
2014-03-17 05:53:45 PM  

Stephen_Falken: As a long-time Buddhist, I've been getting kicks out of this for a lifetime or more.


You and Galileo, Professor Falken.
 
2014-03-17 05:58:36 PM  

Uzzah: The school district's defense should have been "suck it up, kid. Existence is suffering."


Or "Better luck next time"
 
2014-03-17 06:01:42 PM  

Baz744: Necronic: How stupid can a school be to think that any of that's acceptable?

They're not stupid. Well, not that stupid. They're evil. They're Christian Dominionists, and they burn with hatred for America, the First Amendment, and everything they represent.


It's not evil, exactly, not in the mustache-twirling sense of the word, anyway.  But then again, neither was Hitler, in that limited sense.  He thought he was making the world a better place.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

That the quote is from C.S. Lewis may or may not be ironic, considering.
 
2014-03-17 06:39:35 PM  
When I was doing residency in Columbus they ran the Buddhist church out of town.
I went to service one day and the windows were broken and "Jesus is the answer" was written in red paint on the building.
Police considered it vandalism and refused to investigate.

Then in town someone put up a billboard saying; "Don't believe in God?  You are not alone.".   The people who owned the billboard and the people who owned the property both got death threats.  Police removed the billboard for public safety.

Can't tell you the number of pamphlets that were left on my desk.  More than once I was invited to a social event and it turned out to be a bible study.

I'm so happy to be out of Ohio!
 
2014-03-17 07:15:29 PM  

jnapier: I'm so happy to be out of Ohio!


Fark Ohio.  That's where my job went.  We had to work with them for a while before we all got let go, and wow, those people were stupid.  They made more work with screwing things up than they actually got done.
 
2014-03-17 08:36:49 PM  
FTA:  "...on behalf of C.C., a sixth-grader of Thai descent and a practicing Buddhist. You remember C.C.: He was chastised by teachers and administrators at his Louisiana public school for his religious beliefs."

Names changed to protect the innocent.

FTA:  "Had Sabine Parish proactively sought to comply with the Constitution in the first place, the Lanes would not have been forced to expose their family to such vitriol, harassment, and intimidation simply to assert their fundamental rights."

So, it's CC Lane.  Got it. Excellent cover for the family.  Lane.  LANE.
 
2014-03-17 11:30:24 PM  

vudukungfu: somedude210: There are Buddhists in Louisiana? How the fark does that work? I'm a Buddhist in MA and I know of 1 temple in my area, and it's not even my teaching of Buddhism (I'm a Mahayada Buddhist, most Thai/Cambodian/Vietnamese/Indian Buddhists are Theraveda branch Buddhism). I can't imagine how tough it is to find a temple to mediate at down south.

/which reminds me, I should meditate more

Wouldn't all Buddhists just want to be more Buddha-like?
Kind of like Christians being more . . . Oh.
never mind.


I am all for Christian's being more Christlike but that would require a crapload of wood for the crosses, not to mention the nails needed. . .
 
2014-03-17 11:47:37 PM  

K3rmy: vudukungfu: somedude210: There are Buddhists in Louisiana? How the fark does that work? I'm a Buddhist in MA and I know of 1 temple in my area, and it's not even my teaching of Buddhism (I'm a Mahayada Buddhist, most Thai/Cambodian/Vietnamese/Indian Buddhists are Theraveda branch Buddhism). I can't imagine how tough it is to find a temple to mediate at down south.

/which reminds me, I should meditate more

Wouldn't all Buddhists just want to be more Buddha-like?
Kind of like Christians being more . . . Oh.
never mind.

I am all for Christian's being more Christlike but that would require a crapload of wood for the crosses, not to mention the nails needed. . .


I'd settle for them listening to his teachings.
 
2014-03-17 11:49:03 PM  
Wow the Christionists lost...Is there still hope for America? apparently yes thank goodness!!
 
2014-03-18 12:28:48 AM  

Valiente: If one judges the quality of a religion (or its founder) by the actions of its followers, Jesus must be a total asshat.

And America should really stop talking about "Constitution" and "democracy" and "fark, yeah" if you're not going to wall off your vicious retards from contaminating the social experiment with their inbred shiat.


That makes NO SENSE. Why would Jesus be a total asshat, if you are judging the ACTIONS of HIS FOLLOWERS. Wouldn't he be just fine and his FOLLOWERS be the asshats?
 
2014-03-18 01:02:16 AM  

allylloyd: Valiente: If one judges the quality of a religion (or its founder) by the actions of its followers, Jesus must be a total asshat.

And America should really stop talking about "Constitution" and "democracy" and "fark, yeah" if you're not going to wall off your vicious retards from contaminating the social experiment with their inbred shiat.

That makes NO SENSE. Why would Jesus be a total asshat, if you are judging the ACTIONS of HIS FOLLOWERS. Wouldn't he be just fine and his FOLLOWERS be the asshats?


Part of that whole omniscience thing is knowing that nobody will actually live up to your message.

Look at Matthew 5:28 for example.  Did the Son of the God who invented testosterone expect that to fly?  Or did Christ understand that he was demanding something physically impossible?

If so, then yes, he was an asshat, no two ways about it.

And if not, then he's not only not omniscient, but a total dumbass.
 
kgf
2014-03-18 12:47:10 PM  

dittybopper: Day_Old_Dutchie: In addition to denigrating C.C.'s Buddhist faith by calling it "stupid," school officials suggested he should transfer to another school with "more Asians.

All the other religions look pretty stupid to non-members.

But really, would you not want to throw your lot behind this peaceful and contented looking dude

[s27.postimg.org image 187x300]

That this judgmental worry-wart?

[s17.postimg.org image 189x256]

Wait:  Jesus was judgmental?

I seem to recall a whole lot of "love thy neighbor" stuff from that there New Testiclemint, and even a bit of forgiveness in there somewhere.



If He is going to forgive, he must have judged you to be in need of forgiveness, ipso facto, quid pro quo, and e pluribus unum, He must be judgmental.

Or you can come to your senses and admit there is no god.
 
2014-03-18 12:57:30 PM  

Anayalator: somedude210: There are Buddhists in Louisiana? How the fark does that work? I'm a Buddhist in MA and I know of 1 temple in my area, and it's not even my teaching of Buddhism (I'm a Mahayada Buddhist, most Thai/Cambodian/Vietnamese/Indian Buddhists are Theraveda branch Buddhism). I can't imagine how tough it is to find a temple to mediate at down south.

/which reminds me, I should meditate more

GIS for redneck Buddha yielded this monstrosity:

[photoshopcontest.com image 850x857]


Randy Quaid as Buddha.  It could jump start his career.
 
2014-03-18 04:19:00 PM  

jnapier: When I was doing residency in Columbus they ran the Buddhist church out of town.
I went to service one day and the windows were broken and "Jesus is the answer" was written in red paint on the building.
Police considered it vandalism and refused to investigate.

Then in town someone put up a billboard saying; "Don't believe in God? You are not alone.". The people who owned the billboard and the people who owned the property both got death threats. Police removed the billboard for public safety.


It never ceases to amuse and horrify me how horribly wrong some self-described Christians get the message that their supposed messiah was trying to impart to them... It wasn't, "Convert everyone at all costs and kill the heathens who refuse!"... I can't even fathom how one who claims to follow Jesus could possibly think destroying property and threatening to kill people is something he would approve of and want done in his name... I mean I know some joke that religious people are crazy, but honestly, that takes a very special brand of delusional to do the absolute opposite of what Jesus said while doing it in his name and thinking yourself a good Christian for doing so... It's baffling...
 
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