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(Mother Jones)   Listen up you dirty hippies, one of the realities of pot farming is that you kill lots of things   (motherjones.com) divider line 109
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2014-03-17 09:46:40 AM
Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.
 
2014-03-17 11:04:30 AM
TL/DR

What oldernell said.
 
2014-03-17 11:05:11 AM
What a waste of time and effort:

FTA "Assuming, as the guide does, that the authorities seize about 10 percent of the harvest, that means they would have left behind more than 10 million outdoor plants last year, enough to yield about $31 billion worth of product. That's more than the combined value of the state's top 10 legal farm commodities."
 
2014-03-17 11:55:30 AM
Like brain cells?
 
2014-03-17 11:55:34 AM

oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.


Done in one.
The only real asshoes here are the USA DEA, DOJ, and AMA.
 
2014-03-17 11:56:00 AM
Take a day hike in Humboldt County, CA. Enjoy the scenery. See the pretty hills and streams. Go ahead. I dare you ..
 
2014-03-17 12:00:15 PM
Ha ha, fark you, hippies. I can't wait until weed is legal everywhere, and grown only on corporate farms using Monsanto seeds.
 
2014-03-17 12:01:53 PM
Done in one.
 
2014-03-17 12:02:07 PM

oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.


Right. Because mainstream legal agriculture has little to no impact on the surrounding environment, and is beloved by dirty hippies.
 
2014-03-17 12:02:24 PM

InterruptingQuirk: What a waste of time and effort:

FTA "Assuming, as the guide does, that the authorities seize about 10 percent of the harvest, that means they would have left behind more than 10 million outdoor plants last year, enough to yield about $31 billion worth of product. That's more than the combined value of the state's top 10 legal farm commodities."


What is that worth in non-cop math?
 
2014-03-17 12:02:43 PM

mbillips: Ha ha, fark you, hippies. I can't wait until weed is legal everywhere, and grown only on corporate farms using Monsanto seeds.


Or simply added to people's gardens alongside the tomatoes, green beans, peppers, etc.

/or indoors
 
2014-03-17 12:03:43 PM

sandbar67: Like brain cells?


Wut? Duuuude.
 
2014-03-17 12:03:53 PM
s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-03-17 12:04:18 PM

oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.


THIS

Just like the cartels, gangs, guns, and violence, it will all go away with legalization. Marijuana itself is no more harmful for the environment then hops(it's cousin) or tomato plant (which require eerily similar nutrients).

This is also a reason we need legalization and NOT just decriminalization. Decriminalization is just an stupid concept, yes it's nice that no one is being arrested, but you still have these illegal grows and it's still controlled by criminals.
 
2014-03-17 12:04:26 PM

Son of Thunder: oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.

Right. Because mainstream legal agriculture has little to no impact on the surrounding environment, and is beloved by dirty hippies.


Growing of cannabis consumes far fewer pesticides and herbicides than most crops and it improves the soil when used in rotation.
 
2014-03-17 12:05:18 PM
Clearly we need GMO RoundUp-Ready marijuana from Monsanto.  Won't somebody think of the poor dead rats?
 
2014-03-17 12:05:24 PM
Listen up you dirty hippies, one of the realities of illegal pot farming is that you kill lots of things

You left a key word out of the headline, Subby.
 
2014-03-17 12:05:36 PM

Son of Thunder: Right. Because mainstream legal agriculture has little to no impact on the surrounding environment, and is beloved by dirty hippies.


If it is legal, there can at least be some form of regulations, and the amount of people hiding out in national parks or other woodlands would hopefully go down. Part of the problem is people go out and trash the fark out of the land because they don't give a shiat; if you're breaking the law, why bother cleaning up.
 
2014-03-17 12:06:35 PM

lewismarktwo: Son of Thunder: oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.

Right. Because mainstream legal agriculture has little to no impact on the surrounding environment, and is beloved by dirty hippies.

Growing of cannabis consumes far fewer pesticides and herbicides than most crops and it improves the soil when used in rotation.


That's good. Now let's address the water usage that's broached in the article.

/pro legalization
//any significant crop farming is going to have environmental impacts
 
2014-03-17 12:07:15 PM

oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.


+10000
 
2014-03-17 12:07:17 PM
This isn't one of the realities of pot farming, it's one of the realities of  illegal pot farming.  If growing it weren't illegal then these rouge operations wouldn't have to use such drastic/destructive methods.  And if you're already committing a federal felony what motivation do these people have to clean up after themselves and make sure they're properly using/disposing of pesticides and other waste materials?
 
2014-03-17 12:07:17 PM

Son of Thunder: oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.

Right. Because mainstream legal agriculture has little to no impact on the surrounding environment, and is beloved by dirty hippies.


At least you'd be doing it in an area zoned for it, not hiding in a forest farking everything up.
 
2014-03-17 12:07:37 PM

lewismarktwo: Son of Thunder: oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.

Right. Because mainstream legal agriculture has little to no impact on the surrounding environment, and is beloved by dirty hippies.

Growing of cannabis consumes far fewer pesticides and herbicides than most crops and it improves the soil when used in rotation.


Pot will even grow without ANY pesticides or herbicides.  Damn stuff is like a weed.
 
2014-03-17 12:07:40 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Take a day hike in Humboldt County, CA. Enjoy the scenery. See the pretty hills and streams. Go ahead. I dare you ..


It's not as bad as you make it sound.   Late 70s/Early 80s it was a lot more violent until the growers realized it was far easier to beat a drug charge than a murder charge.
 
2014-03-17 12:10:20 PM
Honestly if it was legal here I would grow it, and I can't even use the stuff.
 
2014-03-17 12:10:48 PM

Neondistraction: If growing it weren't illegal then these rouge operations wouldn't have to use such drastic/destructive methods.


Reds, eh?  I knew them Commies were behind it.
 
2014-03-17 12:13:50 PM

oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.


kittyhas1000legs: mbillips: Ha ha, fark you, hippies. I can't wait until weed is legal everywhere, and grown only on corporate farms using Monsanto seeds.

Or simply added to people's gardens alongside the tomatoes, green beans, peppers, etc.

/or indoors


I get my tomatoes and green beans at a national chain grocery store.  The grocery store get them from corporate farms.
There is ton of money to be made on leagal pot.  If you think the big corporate farmming industry and big pharma isn't going to own it you need to put down the bong for a while.

/Doesn't growing pot indoors use a shiat ton of electricity?  Electricity from fossil fuels?
 
2014-03-17 12:14:22 PM

vudukungfu: The only real asshoes here are the USA DEA, DOJ, and AMA.


Why not both?
 
2014-03-17 12:15:28 PM

oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.


DONE IN ONE
 
2014-03-17 12:16:11 PM

Parthenogenetic: InterruptingQuirk: What a waste of time and effort:

FTA "Assuming, as the guide does, that the authorities seize about 10 percent of the harvest, that means they would have left behind more than 10 million outdoor plants last year, enough to yield about $31 billion worth of product. That's more than the combined value of the state's top 10 legal farm commodities."

What is that worth in non-cop math?


Let's try to figure out the cop math first.

$31,000,000,000, or $3,100 per plant. Assuming cop math uses the end-user price of $10-20 per gram depending on the market, that's 155-310 grams per plant. 28 grams per ounce works out to approx. 5.5-11.1 ounces per plant.

I'm no weed gardener (or even smoker any more), but I'd be surprised to see 11.1 oz come from one plant. They're most likely including the stems, seeds, and roots in the weight and resale value.I'd say cut it in half and you'd get a more realistic amount.
 
2014-03-17 12:17:09 PM

69gnarkill69: Pot will even grow without ANY pesticides or herbicides.  Damn stuff is like a weed.


Most plants will.  They just grow better and you get more end product when you keep the animals from eating them and other weeds from competing with them for the available nutrients.
 
2014-03-17 12:17:46 PM

kittyhas1000legs: mbillips: Ha ha, fark you, hippies. I can't wait until weed is legal everywhere, and grown only on corporate farms using Monsanto seeds.

Or simply added to people's gardens alongside the tomatoes, green beans, peppers, etc.

/or indoors


OK, that will account for a tiny fraction of the pot used. Hipsters' backyard chicken coops aren't exactly cutting into the egg industry's business, and the kind of McDonald's-eating, McJob-working slacker who consumes most of the pot in America is gonna get it from 7-11.

rarerborealis.com
 
2014-03-17 12:18:24 PM

tjsands1118: oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.

THIS

Just like the cartels, gangs, guns, and violence, it will all go away with legalization. Marijuana itself is no more harmful for the environment then hops(it's cousin) or tomato plant (which require eerily similar nutrients).

This is also a reason we need legalization and NOT just decriminalization. Decriminalization is just an stupid concept, yes it's nice that no one is being arrested, but you still have these illegal grows and it's still controlled by criminals.


No legalization won't completely stop this like it won't stop all of those other things you listed. Legalization will greatly decrease this as for the most part people that want to grow won't have to find someplace isolated and hidden. They will be able to buy regular farm land and leave these places alone. However there will always be the underground element that for what ever reason aren't able to legally grow, or don't want to pay the fees associated with being able to do it legally, that will go to these hidden out of the way places to grow.
 
2014-03-17 12:20:58 PM
Next thing you'll tell me is that meth makers don't properly dispose of there chemicals.
 
2014-03-17 12:21:13 PM

redmid17: lewismarktwo: Son of Thunder: oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.

Right. Because mainstream legal agriculture has little to no impact on the surrounding environment, and is beloved by dirty hippies.

Growing of cannabis consumes far fewer pesticides and herbicides than most crops and it improves the soil when used in rotation.

That's good. Now let's address the water usage that's broached in the article.

/pro legalization
//any significant crop farming is going to have environmental impacts


Isn't southern CA's water shortage pretty much entirely due to the tomato-growing operations there?
 
2014-03-17 12:21:33 PM

ongbok: tjsands1118: oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.

This is also a reason we need legalization and NOT just decriminalization. Decriminalization is just an stupid concept, yes it's nice that no one is being arrested, but you still have these illegal grows and it's still controlled by criminals.

No legalization won't completely stop this like it won't stop all of those other things you listed. Legalization will greatly decrease this as for the most part people that want to grow won't have to find someplace isolated and hidden. They will be able to buy regular farm land and leave these places alone. However there will always be the underground element that for what ever reason aren't able to legally grow, or don't want to pay the fees associated with being able to do it legally, that will go to these hidden out of the way places to grow.


Yep. Liquor's illegal, and yet there are still moonshiners out there. Legal weed will be heavily taxed (that's how they'll sell the change in the law), and there will still be criminals growing and selling it to avoid the tax. Probably not a third of the U.S. domestic supply from three counties, though.
 
2014-03-17 12:22:29 PM

mbillips: ongbok: tjsands1118: oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.

Yep. Liquor's illegal legal, and yet there are still moonshiners out there. Legal weed will be heavily taxed (that's how they'll sell the change in the law), and there will still be criminals growing and selling it to avoid the tax. Probably not a third of the U.S. domestic supply from three counties, though.


FTFM.
 
2014-03-17 12:22:52 PM
As has been said:

I'm sure this has nothing to do with people having to hide from the law, in the middle of nowhere where they care nothing for the land, camping for who knows how long at a time, rather than people just growing it in a little herb patch out back, were it legal.

/Wait, did I say nothing?
//meant everything.
 
2014-03-17 12:23:15 PM

lewismarktwo: Son of Thunder: oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.

Right. Because mainstream legal agriculture has little to no impact on the surrounding environment, and is beloved by dirty hippies.

Growing of cannabis

ditchweed consumes far fewer pesticides and herbicides than most crops and it improves the soil when used in rotation.

Fixed that for you.  The stuff that people want to smoke or eat is grown in a highly fertilized energy intensive monoculture.
 
2014-03-17 12:24:02 PM

mbillips: Ha ha, fark you, hippies. I can't wait until weed is legal everywhere, and grown only on corporate farms using Monsanto seeds.


Even when the corporations take over there still is no way to prevent anybody from growing it themselves.

sorry but you wont be having that laugh of yours any time soon.
 
2014-03-17 12:25:03 PM

InterruptingQuirk: What a waste of time and effort:

FTA "Assuming, as the guide does, that the authorities seize about 10 percent of the harvest, that means they would have left behind more than 10 million outdoor plants last year, enough to yield about $31 billion worth of product. That's more than the combined value of the state's top 10 legal farm commodities."



This, plus what oldernell said. And it's farking ridiculous that - just because some old folks and religious fundies don't like to allow other people to live differently than they approve of - that we are funneling what COULD be legit tax revenue over in to the hands of criminal cartels. That's what happens to that cash... Instead of us getting it in taxes to pay for infrastructure and other useful shiat, criminals get it and often funnel the money out of the country.

For an industry that obviously isn't going anywhere, is a BIG industry with big lost tax revenue, which produces a product which has medical applications, and is safer than booze. So instead we destroy people's lives over it through the criminal justice system rather than marginalize the drug crusaders for their lies, as we should be instead. It's farking nuts.
 
2014-03-17 12:25:51 PM

Sarien: As has been said:

I'm sure this has nothing to do with people having to hide from the law, in the middle of nowhere where they care nothing for the land, camping for who knows how long at a time, rather than people just growing it in a little herb patch out back, were it legal.

/Wait, did I say nothing?
//meant everything.


How much land do you need to grow a personal amount of weed, and how much effort is involved? If legal weed is cheap and easily available, I can't imagine that many people are going to grow their own. You don't see backyard tobacco patches.
 
2014-03-17 12:26:15 PM
Polluting the ground and water with pesticides and chemical fertilizers while growing corn is still ok because there is nothing else that can replace it.
 
2014-03-17 12:26:53 PM

Dr Dreidel: Isn't southern CA's water shortage pretty much entirely due to the tomato-growing operations there


Most of it has to do with not enough water falling out of the sky.

feww.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-17 12:26:55 PM
Yes, the government is forcing you to do bad things to the earth, because not being stoned is too awful to contemplate.
 
2014-03-17 12:27:07 PM
Not wasting my wakenbake on this nonsense...

ain't what you do, its how you do it...

/it could aaalll be so simmpllle
//but youu'd rather make it haarrd
 
2014-03-17 12:27:14 PM

AugieDoggyDaddy: oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.

kittyhas1000legs: mbillips: Ha ha, fark you, hippies. I can't wait until weed is legal everywhere, and grown only on corporate farms using Monsanto seeds.

Or simply added to people's gardens alongside the tomatoes, green beans, peppers, etc.

/or indoors

I get my tomatoes and green beans at a national chain grocery store.  The grocery store get them from corporate farms.
There is ton of money to be made on leagal pot.  If you think the big corporate farmming industry and big pharma isn't going to own it you need to put down the bong for a while.

/Doesn't growing pot indoors use a shiat ton of electricity?  Electricity from fossil fuels?


a) If pot is legal, there's no reason to grow it indoors.
b) Depends how much you are growing.  Personal use?  Add about a buck a month to your current electric bill.
 
2014-03-17 12:28:25 PM

Dr Dreidel: redmid17: lewismarktwo: Son of Thunder: oldernell: Almost all of which could be eliminated by legalizing growing and using.

Right. Because mainstream legal agriculture has little to no impact on the surrounding environment, and is beloved by dirty hippies.

Growing of cannabis consumes far fewer pesticides and herbicides than most crops and it improves the soil when used in rotation.

That's good. Now let's address the water usage that's broached in the article.

/pro legalization
//any significant crop farming is going to have environmental impacts

Isn't southern CA's water shortage pretty much entirely due to the tomato-growing operations there?


Can't say I've done much (any) research into it other than what I've skimmed on it in newspapers, but I imagine that farmers would be a large contributing cause along with the 20 million people who live there. The drought probably isn't helping either.
 
2014-03-17 12:29:20 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: mbillips: Ha ha, fark you, hippies. I can't wait until weed is legal everywhere, and grown only on corporate farms using Monsanto seeds.

Even when the corporations take over there still is no way to prevent anybody from growing it themselves.

sorry but you wont be having that laugh of yours any time soon.


Yeah, but they won't, because after putting a lot of effort into a couple lame crops of weak ditch weed, they'll stick to the hyper hybrid super dank sold exclusively at Costco.
 
2014-03-17 12:32:13 PM
Damn hippies.

Never happy, even with weed.
 
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