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(Metro)   How cool would it be to have the power to reboot the entire Internet? Just ask this man   (metro.co.uk) divider line 32
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-17 11:06:28 AM  
Do click through to the Guardian article.
 
2014-03-17 12:13:05 PM  
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Okay, that is just creepy.
 
2014-03-17 12:38:24 PM  
David Mitchell's creepier older brother.
 
2014-03-17 12:43:15 PM  

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That's adorable.

 
2014-03-17 12:46:51 PM  
"Mr Kane can't actually reboot the entire internet"


But we write headlines just for click farming.
 
2014-03-17 12:48:57 PM  
This is an utterly useless article.

"Paul Kane can reboot the internet!  He has a key that allows him to reboot the internet.  He can reboot the web.  He can't actually reboot the internet.  Click here".
 
2014-03-17 01:05:18 PM  
Is this about Al Gore?
 
2014-03-17 01:11:38 PM  

Best Princess Celestia: But we write headlines just for click farming.


At least Drew got paid.
 
2014-03-17 01:42:25 PM  
Jesus, what a horseshiat article that was.
 
2014-03-17 01:50:58 PM  

ZAZ: Do click through to the Guardian article.


Yeah, the Guardian article was much more interesting.
 
2014-03-17 01:59:23 PM  
"He has a key that allows him to reboot the internet."

Or just to confirm the integrity of the DNS root servers?
 
2014-03-17 02:09:53 PM  
The real "reboot the internet" guys are the network operators at all the various interconnected networks.  Those same people can really only "reboot" their own networks, though they can have ill affect on routing by advertising bogus or inefficient routes - but then their counterparts will quickly route around them and/or blackhole their network if they cause too much trouble.

I suppose an organized attack at the major peering centers could be disruptive, but that would likely require actual, physical terrorism to accomplish.  Still, no ragtag band of nerds is gonna reboot *that* by flashing a crypto key.
 
2014-03-17 02:24:38 PM  
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2014-03-17 03:13:35 PM  
DNS is the Achilles heel of the Internet.
 
2014-03-17 03:27:32 PM  

China White Tea: Jesus, what a horseshiat article that was.


well stated.
 
2014-03-17 03:39:53 PM  

Joe USer: DNS is the Achilles heel of the Internet.


If the Internet was a millipede, sure.

The very notion of an internet is a distributed network, no single point of failure.  Sites and servers fail but the Internet itself is almost impossible to bring down.  The DNS system is certainly one of the big pieces of it, but by no means does that make it an easy way to bring down the Internet.

People get the impression that the Internet is fragile, but the severity and frequency of the issues experienced in the U.S. is in fact due to spectacularly corrupt, greedy, incompetent and downright horrifying mismanagement.  And even then it's not like the entire Internet is compromised.  It's like trying to neglect a person to death -- it's possible and it happens, but in reality it's actually pretty darn tough to do.  You have to go all the way to abusive to succeed, not that they aren't trying.
 
2014-03-17 03:42:35 PM  

Joe USer: DNS is the Achilles heel of the Internet.


Yes it's a major weakness, a flaw that once exploited can reek havoc upon the entire world. Or so we've been told since pretty much the beginning of the internet. Strangely enough, all those predictions of an impending DNS based collapse have never come true. Could it be that the people claiming that DNS is an Achilles heal don't really know what they are talking about?
 
2014-03-17 03:56:22 PM  
www.kunochan.com
Or you could ask the Elders of the Internet. But you'll have to climb to the top of Big Ben to flip the switch.
 
2014-03-17 04:42:25 PM  

Dinki: Joe USer: DNS is the Achilles heel of the Internet.

Yes it's a major weakness, a flaw that once exploited can reek havoc upon the entire world. Or so we've been told since pretty much the beginning of the internet. Strangely enough, all those predictions of an impending DNS based collapse have never come true. Could it be that the people claiming that DNS is an Achilles heal don't really know what they are talking about?


Tell that to the people who get their domains seized without a trial.
 
2014-03-17 04:44:02 PM  
Yeah, great. What's your asset tag number?
 
2014-03-17 04:52:10 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-17 04:57:50 PM  
Jesus Christ, you computer ignorant people are so farking gullible.

The internet doesn't work that way!

Do you fill out a ID 10 T form when you take your car to the mechanic to add bearing grease to the wheels to improve your MPG?
 
2014-03-17 05:14:18 PM  
I'm really going to be the first to ask why he's using an image of HAL's camera eye for a "button"?

I expected it in the first few.
 
2014-03-17 05:55:51 PM  
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2014-03-17 06:13:19 PM  

The_Time_Master: Jesus Christ, you computer ignorant people are so farking gullible.

The internet doesn't work that way!

Do you fill out a ID 10 T form when you take your car to the mechanic to add bearing grease to the wheels to improve your MPG?


Of course not. I paid the mechanic to fill it out for me.
 
2014-03-17 07:06:12 PM  
if DNS stopped working completely today then the interwebs would still operate, but it wouldn't be as easy to do things.

also that article sucked. The Guardian article was better.
 
2014-03-17 07:18:46 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: if DNS stopped working completely today then the interwebs would still operate, but it wouldn't be as easy to do things.

also that article sucked. The Guardian article was better.


The usable internet would grind to a halt. Everything is pretty much tied into DNS now, including services that should be able to run on IP addresses if needed.

The article sucked, why would anyone link to that?
 
2014-03-17 07:36:31 PM  
I kick my Network Engineers in the nads every time they want to use DNS in their ACLs. No, stop being lazy. Go find the netblock you need and put it in there so if anything ever happens to DNS you can still do your work. Oh you are sad that there are multiple blocks and ranges that you need to make rules to? Too farking bad, do your jerb.

Like I said things would still work but it wouldn't be easy for most people.
 
2014-03-17 07:40:36 PM  

dragonchild: Joe USer: DNS is the Achilles heel of the Internet.

If the Internet was a millipede, sure.

The very notion of an internet is a distributed network, no single point of failure.  Sites and servers fail but the Internet itself is almost impossible to bring down.  The DNS system is certainly one of the big pieces of it, but by no means does that make it an easy way to bring down the Internet.

People get the impression that the Internet is fragile, but the severity and frequency of the issues experienced in the U.S. is in fact due to spectacularly corrupt, greedy, incompetent and downright horrifying mismanagement.  And even then it's not like the entire Internet is compromised.  It's like trying to neglect a person to death -- it's possible and it happens, but in reality it's actually pretty darn tough to do.  You have to go all the way to abusive to succeed, not that they aren't trying.


If someone wanted to damage or control huge parts of the Internet, DNS would be the way to do it. A great example is the sheer amount of services that are not supposed to require DNS now require DNS. Ever try sending an email to an IP address? The RFC says it's possible, good luck finding a commercial provider that allows it.   Try visiting a website using an IP address? Not if it requires host resolution you won't. (hosts file might work though).  Annoyed a company? Good news, the City of London or ICE will happily have your domain name seized without trial.

The current DNS structure is a wreck waiting to happen.
 
2014-03-17 07:45:27 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: I kick my Network Engineers in the nads every time they want to use DNS in their ACLs. No, stop being lazy. Go find the netblock you need and put it in there so if anything ever happens to DNS you can still do your work. Oh you are sad that there are multiple blocks and ranges that you need to make rules to? Too farking bad, do your jerb.

Like I said things would still work but it wouldn't be easy for most people.


It's rare to find someone who doesn't allow shortcuts. Seriously, that's awesome.
 
2014-03-17 09:22:43 PM  
We'll just go back to using the gopher protocol and the veronica search engine... and manually uudecoding binary attachments encoded in ASCII.

/my lawn, get off it.
 
2014-03-18 06:27:31 AM  

Joe USer: If someone wanted to damage or control huge parts of the Internet, DNS would be the way to do it.


Sure, but that's kind of like saying, "If someone wanted to take over a U.S. military base," though.  There are theoretical ways to do it, but let's first get an accurate picture of just how tough this is to do.  At the very least it will require resources and coordination far beyond your usual basement anarchists' club.
 
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