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(Fox News)   Yesterday: Samuel Adams Brewery announces it will not support the St. Patricks Day Parade because of intolerance toward gays. Meh. Today, Guinness pulls its support. OH HELLS NO   (foxnews.com ) divider line
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2014-03-17 12:20:40 PM  
Whatever Happened To Free Speech?™
 
2014-03-17 12:29:55 PM  
Let me preface this with saying that:

1. I'm ridiculously liberal in many ways.
2. I support LGBT rights fully (I also think the term "marriage" should be removed from all laws, everywhere, and replaced with "civil union", or something similar that lacks the same religious connotations)

That said, there is a tendency in liberal movements to turn any event into a bunch of separate messages about unrelated things.

I remember an anti-war protest in college back around 2003. It was less an anti-war protest and more like a bunch of separate smaller protests about gay rights, violence against women, pro-vegan, save the earth, free Palestine, etc., etc. I'm not saying that I have anything against these causes, but if you're trying to have an anti-war rally, all of those other messages kind of dilute the point, despite some of them being tangentially related (e.g., war does have significant negative environmental impacts, but that wasn't how they were framing it at all).

So I can see why the parade organizers might want to focus more on the theme of the day (men wearing skirts, apparently, according to the photo from TFA) than LGBT rights.

That does not make them morally correct, but I can sympathize a tiny bit.
 
2014-03-17 12:38:37 PM  
"Because they are icky" isn't a valid defense. You hold a public event, it has to be open to everyone.
 
2014-03-17 12:55:25 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Whatever Happened To Free Speech?™


let me know when Sam Adams and Guinness are parts of the Federal government.
 
2014-03-17 12:58:21 PM  
It's a Saint Patrick's Day parade! If you haven't noticed the Catholic Church isn't really favorable to the gays.

Why would the gays want to be in their parade?! I know the gays love a good parade but I'd like to be with people who like me.
 
2014-03-17 01:01:38 PM  
humorinamerica.files.wordpress.com

"Top of the morning to ye on this gray, grizzly afternoon. Kent O'Brockman live on Main Street, where today everyone is a little bit Irish, except, of course, for the gays and the Italians."
 
2014-03-17 01:05:24 PM  
. As you know, this parade is funded by our community and our corporate sponsors. We will not allow anyone to express harmful or inappropriate messages

Apparently, according to the organizers, being gay is either harmful or inappropriate. fark them. fark them with a shillelagh.
 
2014-03-17 01:09:34 PM  
Way to go, bigots.  Now, you've pissed off beer.
 
2014-03-17 01:21:19 PM  

Sid_6.7: So I can see why the parade organizers might want to focus more on the theme of the day (men wearing skirts, apparently, according to the photo from TFA) than LGBT rights.


They just want to have a banner that says their affiliation (which happens to be gay.) Much like the other people in the parade who march under their banners.  It wouldn't be about LGBT rights if they just let them march.  As it always seems to come down to, the oppressed would stop having to fight for the right to do things that other, non-oppressed people do all the time, if people would stop farking oppressing them and let them participate.

If tomorrow, marriage equality was a federal law that covered all 50 states, you'd never hear about LGBT rights with regard to marriage again, because they'd have the same right that straight people have. Problem solved.
 
2014-03-17 01:21:41 PM  

Sid_6.7: That said, there is a tendency in liberal movements to turn any event into a bunch of separate messages about unrelated things.


3.bp.blogspot.com
[cough]
 
2014-03-17 01:27:22 PM  
Once the queers know you find them icky, they really queen it up just to piss you off.  You can't show fear, try to appear larger, and back away slowly.

/Or am I think of bears?
//In Boston, I think they're the same thing.
 
2014-03-17 01:33:10 PM  
No queers, no beers?
 
2014-03-17 01:49:33 PM  

serpent_sky: Sid_6.7: So I can see why the parade organizers might want to focus more on the theme of the day (men wearing skirts, apparently, according to the photo from TFA) than LGBT rights.

They just want to have a banner that says their affiliation (which happens to be gay.) Much like the other people in the parade who march under their banners.  It wouldn't be about LGBT rights if they just let them march.  As it always seems to come down to, the oppressed would stop having to fight for the right to do things that other, non-oppressed people do all the time, if people would stop farking oppressing them and let them participate.

If tomorrow, marriage equality was a federal law that covered all 50 states, you'd never hear about LGBT rights with regard to marriage again, because they'd have the same right that straight people have. Problem solved.


I'm not saying the organizers are correct, just that I can see why they might feel that way.

Per Aristotle's Metaphysics: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Theaetetus: Sid_6.7: That said, there is a tendency in liberal movements to turn any event into a bunch of separate messages about unrelated things.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 611x404]
[cough]


Do you remember that part where I typed "and conservatives are never like that at all"? Because I don't remember typing it.
 
2014-03-17 01:52:36 PM  

Sid_6.7: So I can see why the parade organizers might want to focus more on the theme of the day (men wearing skirts, apparently, according to the photo from TFA) than LGBT rights.


Which might make sense if they were trying to turn the whole parade into a gay rights thing, rather than just allowing one group to march along with everyone else.
 
2014-03-17 01:52:43 PM  

Sid_6.7: Theaetetus: Sid_6.7: That said, there is a tendency in liberal movements to turn any event into a bunch of separate messages about unrelated things.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 611x404]
[cough]

Do you remember that part where I typed "and conservatives are never like that at all"? Because I don't remember typing it.

 You're right... How could anyone think you were talking about liberals in contradistinction to non-liberals?
1. I'm ridiculously liberal...
... That said, there is a tendency in liberal movements to turn any event into a bunch of separate messages about unrelated things...
I remember an anti-war protest in college back around 2003. It was less an anti-war protest and more like a bunch of separate smaller protests about gay rights, violence against women, pro-vegan, save the earth, free Palestine, etc...
 
2014-03-17 01:56:19 PM  

Sid_6.7: I'm not saying the organizers are correct, just that I can see why they might feel that way.

Per Aristotle's Metaphysics: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."


Okay, but by not allowing the banner for the LGBT people, they took the focus off the theme of the day and they made it about LBGT rights. Had they just let the group walk in the parade with the banner, nothing would have happened, the focus of the parade would have been "Irishness" as they said, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. It would have been a lot easier on them to just go with the times, because the vast majority of people would not even really notice or care if the banner was there.
 
2014-03-17 02:01:46 PM  
Hey, even the homosexuals want a bit of Irish in them.
 
2014-03-17 02:10:45 PM  
Stay Thirsty, My Friends.
 
2014-03-17 02:11:49 PM  

real_headhoncho: Hey, even the homosexuals want a bit of Irish in them.


Once you go black Irish, you never go back.
 
Bf+
2014-03-17 02:12:46 PM  
Oh no!  Now everybody will have to drink BEER instead!
 
2014-03-17 02:13:21 PM  

Sid_6.7: Let me preface this with saying that:

1. I'm ridiculously liberal in many ways.
2. I support LGBT rights fully (I also think the term "marriage" should be removed from all laws, everywhere, and replaced with "civil union", or something similar that lacks the same religious connotations)

That said, there is a tendency in liberal movements to turn any event into a bunch of separate messages about unrelated things.

I remember an anti-war protest in college back around 2003. It was less an anti-war protest and more like a bunch of separate smaller protests about gay rights, violence against women, pro-vegan, save the earth, free Palestine, etc., etc. I'm not saying that I have anything against these causes, but if you're trying to have an anti-war rally, all of those other messages kind of dilute the point, despite some of them being tangentially related (e.g., war does have significant negative environmental impacts, but that wasn't how they were framing it at all).

So I can see why the parade organizers might want to focus more on the theme of the day (men wearing skirts, apparently, according to the photo from TFA) than LGBT rights.

That does not make them morally correct, but I can sympathize a tiny bit.


Professional Protestors/Activists.

Yes, some people make a living out of it.

Pride Parade in Chicago?  Whole host of other organizations 'show support' while 'spreading their message'.
 
2014-03-17 02:15:23 PM  

serpent_sky: Sid_6.7: So I can see why the parade organizers might want to focus more on the theme of the day (men wearing skirts, apparently, according to the photo from TFA) than LGBT rights.

They just want to have a banner that says their affiliation (which happens to be gay.) Much like the other people in the parade who march under their banners.  It wouldn't be about LGBT rights if they just let them march.  As it always seems to come down to, the oppressed would stop having to fight for the right to do things that other, non-oppressed people do all the time, if people would stop farking oppressing them and let them participate.

If tomorrow, marriage equality was a federal law that covered all 50 states, you'd never hear about LGBT rights with regard to marriage again, because they'd have the same right that straight people have. Problem solved.


Well, technically speaking marriage is not a right.

/Just saying.
 
2014-03-17 02:15:24 PM  
I'm gay and I don't agree with this. It's Saint Patrick's Day, goddamnit, not a pride parade. I don't like it when other groups try to piggie-back off of St. Paddy's Day either.
 
2014-03-17 02:15:30 PM  
It's a parade.

You're going to have gay people there.
 
2014-03-17 02:16:02 PM  
I don't always drink beer and now I can cross another stupid company off of my list. Bye bye Guiness. I'll never buy your beer again.
 
2014-03-17 02:16:04 PM  

vudukungfu: Stay Thirsty, My Friends.


Conversely, the 2015 St. Patrick's Day Parade will be brought to you by Red Stripe.
 
2014-03-17 02:16:30 PM  
I don't get it.

They don't want them to march "openly gay".  That makes sense to me:  if a bunch of paraders were marching in a St Patrick's Day parade screaming "YAH I LIKE TO fark WOMEN!" I would probably tell them that this is inappropriate for the venue and that they must now leave forever.

To be "marching openly gay", you must be acting flamboyant or sexual in some manner.  You must be somehow showing off your gayness, in some way announcing your sexual desires.  This, as well, would end with me telling you that you must now leave forever.

What's the difference here?
 
2014-03-17 02:16:37 PM  

serpent_sky: Sid_6.7: I'm not saying the organizers are correct, just that I can see why they might feel that way.

Per Aristotle's Metaphysics: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Okay, but by not allowing the banner for the LGBT people, they took the focus off the theme of the day and they made it about LBGT rights. Had they just let the group walk in the parade with the banner, nothing would have happened, the focus of the parade would have been "Irishness" as they said, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. It would have been a lot easier on them to just go with the times, because the vast majority of people would not even really notice or care if the banner was there.


When you put it that way it sounds like they did LGBT rights a favor.

Theaetetus: Sid_6.7: Theaetetus: Sid_6.7: That said, there is a tendency in liberal movements to turn any event into a bunch of separate messages about unrelated things.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 611x404]
[cough]

Do you remember that part where I typed "and conservatives are never like that at all"? Because I don't remember typing it.
 You're right... How could anyone think you were talking about liberals in contradistinction to non-liberals?
1. I'm ridiculously liberal...
... That said, there is a tendency in liberal movements to turn any event into a bunch of separate messages about unrelated things...
I remember an anti-war protest in college back around 2003. It was less an anti-war protest and more like a bunch of separate smaller protests about gay rights, violence against women, pro-vegan, save the earth, free Palestine, etc...


So, according to your profile you're an attorney. Combined with your choice of username, I would really hope that you're better at basic logic than you're making yourself appear.

If I make a statement that "some apples are red", or "bananas tend to be yellow", I'm not making a statement that implies anything about the color of cherries or lemons, respectively.

Or is your point that examining the workings of one's own political affiliation should be disregarded, so long as one can find similar flaws in other groups?

Or is self-criticism to be shunned as weakness?
 
2014-03-17 02:16:39 PM  
Gays were not banned.
Gay banners were banned.
Leprechaun support group banners were banned.
Pot of gold search group banners were banned.
Green beer brewer banners were banned.
Irish roots horticulture banners were banned.
Potato promotion banners were banned.
Modest proposal banners were banned.
 
2014-03-17 02:17:00 PM  

Sid_6.7: Let me preface this with saying that:

1. I'm ridiculously liberal in many ways.
2. I support LGBT rights fully (I also think the term "marriage" should be removed from all laws, everywhere, and replaced with "civil union", or something similar that lacks the same religious connotations)

That said, there is a tendency in liberal movements to turn any event into a bunch of separate messages about unrelated things.

I remember an anti-war protest in college back around 2003. It was less an anti-war protest and more like a bunch of separate smaller protests about gay rights, violence against women, pro-vegan, save the earth, free Palestine, etc., etc. I'm not saying that I have anything against these causes, but if you're trying to have an anti-war rally, all of those other messages kind of dilute the point, despite some of them being tangentially related (e.g., war does have significant negative environmental impacts, but that wasn't how they were framing it at all).

So I can see why the parade organizers might want to focus more on the theme of the day (men wearing skirts, apparently, according to the photo from TFA) than LGBT rights.

That does not make them morally correct, but I can sympathize a tiny bit.


Not I... I mean, I'm Irish... and I could go parade with veterans, with catholics, with bunches of groups... but for some reason I can't be Irish and gay at the same time in a parade... fark that, other people get to be proud of  who they are, not just the Irish part, but the entirety... why not gays?
 
2014-03-17 02:17:55 PM  
What's next, same-sex marriage?
 
2014-03-17 02:18:43 PM  

real_headhoncho: Hey, even the homosexuals want a bit of Irish in them.


Patrick Fitzgerald / Gerald Fitzpatrick.
 
2014-03-17 02:19:08 PM  
If tomorrow, marriage equality was a federal law that covered all 50 states, you'd never hear about LGBT rights with regard to marriage again, because they'd have the same right that straight people have. Problem solved.

Yeah! I guess that would be the end of that, huh?
LOL
 
2014-03-17 02:20:02 PM  
Mock26:

Well, technically speaking marriage is not a right.

/Just saying.


Chief Justice Earl Warren once said "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man,"
/just saying
//you're wrong
 
2014-03-17 02:20:05 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Whatever Happened To Free Speech?™


The Free Market trumped it.
 
2014-03-17 02:20:32 PM  
Gays should be able to march, but why exactly should there be a sexuality oriented aspect to a St.Patrick's Day parade ?

Do they want to fly a rainbow flag to par up to a hetero flag that folks are flying these days?
 
2014-03-17 02:20:32 PM  
Guinness pulled their sponsorship? That's gay.....


/ *ducks*
 
2014-03-17 02:21:54 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Once you go black Irish, you never go back.


Agrees:

musictimeline.files.wordpress.com

/or probably would, anyway
 
2014-03-17 02:22:40 PM  
A much better reason to pull out of the St. Patrick's Day parade is because parades are stupid. If I want to see high school marching bands and fire trucks, I know where to find them.

You want to celebrate your Irish heritage or your gay pride? Fantastic, so do I--I'm a little of both as it happens. How about a citywide Jenga™ tournament? Tell me that wouldn't be more fun than watching another tractor or crappy-ass float trudge by.
 
2014-03-17 02:22:45 PM  
Is St Patrick's day really the appropriate venue for LGBT stuff?
 
2014-03-17 02:23:51 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Whatever Happened To Free Speech?™


It's a two way street. Parade organizers are free to uphold their bigotry. Advertisers are free to dissociate themselves from said bigotry.

Freedom of speech ≠ Freedom from consequence.
 
2014-03-17 02:24:50 PM  
Oh wow. I thought this whole day revolved around a religious thing, not whether or not someone is gay. 
Holy fark people are jumpy.

Oh well, this whole drinking thing is for amateurs anyway.
 
2014-03-17 02:25:46 PM  

doubled99: If tomorrow, marriage equality was a federal law that covered all 50 states, you'd never hear about LGBT rights with regard to marriage again, because they'd have the same right that straight people have. Problem solved.

Yeah! I guess that would be the end of that, huh?
LOL


If you granted everyone the right to marry, nobody would be campaigning to get married and have that equal right anymore, because they'd HAVE the right.  Sort of like the suffragettes kind of went by the wayside when women got the right to vote. There wasn't much of a need to campaign for the right for women to vote, since women could vote.

I'm not saying all issues would go away - but that specific one - campaigning for marriage equality - would because people don't campaign for rights they already have.
 
2014-03-17 02:26:56 PM  
Patrick Fitzgerald and Gerald Fitzpatrick are saddened by these revelations.
 
2014-03-17 02:27:09 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Whatever Happened To Free Speech?™


This IS free speech in action. No government entity is forcing the parade to allow any messages that is contrary to its organizers' wishes. And the parade organizers do have the right to keep the parade free from messages they don't approve of.

However, that doesn't mean the parade is protected from criticism, nor does it mean that sponsors can't withdraw their sponsorship because they no longer wish to be associated with the parade's current message.

Mock26: Well, technically speaking marriage is not a right.

/Just saying.


There are 1,138 reasons you are wrong.

/just citing
 
2014-03-17 02:27:38 PM  
Good for Sam Adams being awesome. Let the gays march, just as long as they don't gay-it-up too much. You know what I mean! Keep your damn clothes on and don't turn St. Paddys Day into yet another Gay-Disco-Orgy-Parade.

AND GIVE US THE GOD DAMNED RAINBOW BACK.
 
2014-03-17 02:28:27 PM  

Frank N Stein: Is St Patrick's day really the appropriate venue for LGBT stuff?


Yea, what would the Irish know about wanting to celebrate about their pride after years of being subjugated, ridiculed, and second classed.
yesteryearsnews.files.wordpress.com
yesteryearsnews.files.wordpress.com

I see no relation whatsoever or no overlap.
 
2014-03-17 02:28:45 PM  

semiotix: A much better reason to pull out of the St. Patrick's Day parade is because parades are stupid. If I want to see high school marching bands and fire trucks, I know where to find them.

You want to celebrate your Irish heritage or your gay pride? Fantastic, so do I--I'm a little of both as it happens. How about a citywide Jenga™ tournament? Tell me that wouldn't be more fun than watching another tractor or crappy-ass float trudge by.


I'm down for city wide Jenga if it's the drinking version of Jenga.
 
2014-03-17 02:29:18 PM  

Mock26: serpent_sky: Sid_6.7: So I can see why the parade organizers might want to focus more on the theme of the day (men wearing skirts, apparently, according to the photo from TFA) than LGBT rights.

They just want to have a banner that says their affiliation (which happens to be gay.) Much like the other people in the parade who march under their banners.  It wouldn't be about LGBT rights if they just let them march.  As it always seems to come down to, the oppressed would stop having to fight for the right to do things that other, non-oppressed people do all the time, if people would stop farking oppressing them and let them participate.

If tomorrow, marriage equality was a federal law that covered all 50 states, you'd never hear about LGBT rights with regard to marriage again, because they'd have the same right that straight people have. Problem solved.

Well, technically speaking marriage is not a right.

/Just saying.


C'mon I know you're not that dense.
 
2014-03-17 02:29:40 PM  
the popular Irish beer, brewed in Canada.

fixed that
 
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