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(AP)   "We have to take the blinders off the White House." - Barack Obama, 2007   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 102
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2014-03-17 11:31:01 AM
What a rascal!
 
2014-03-17 12:32:08 PM
Politicians say shiat they don't mean to get elected, film at 9

Don't sit on a bench with wet paint, film at 11
 
2014-03-17 12:50:33 PM
Well Senator Obama often disagrees with President Obama.

cman: Politicians say shiat they don't mean to get elected, film at 9

Don't sit on a bench with wet paint, film at 11


I don't think he was lying or trying to mislead. I think it's more of a case of it's easy to stand outside and tell people what you would or wouldn't do if you're given the big job. It's a whole new reality when you're in the chair.
 
2014-03-17 12:51:42 PM
Old news is exciting!
 
2014-03-17 12:52:39 PM
This is the most transparent administration in history. Thanks to the internet, and the media willing to break the law on behalf of the first amendment "freedom of the press", we know more about what's going on in real time with this administration than we ever have before. We even have people like Issa willing to release sensitive information from the inside. So what's the complaint?
 
2014-03-17 12:55:24 PM
These are the following groups of people i expect to lie to me.
1. politicians.
2. lawyers.
3. people who want my money.
4. any women I have ever want to sleep with,  or have slept with.

sorry that you can't tell the difference between pandering and mistating/denying facts subby
 
MFK
2014-03-17 12:58:14 PM
well i'm definitely not voting for him again.

Seriously though. This sort of behavior certainly didn't start with the obama white house nor will it end with it either. Obama racked up a lot of campaign promises in 2008 and he's actually kept over half of them, more are in the works and some have been stymied by a Republican House that refuses to work with him on a single agenda item because reasons. I think it's been a wasted opportunity for the US and frankly, we will suffer as a nation when it comes to issues like climate change, alternative energies, etc and the very people who stood in the way of any meaningful progress will be the first in line to throw the stones of blame when the droughts never seem to go away and fossil fuel prices go ever higher because Congress has decided that the profits of their donors outweigh the needs of their constituents.
 
2014-03-17 01:04:45 PM
So, when do we post all the Republican statements from the 00s about about how to treat the president while we're at war?
 
2014-03-17 01:04:59 PM
Does this mean Sarah Palin automatically becomes president?
 
2014-03-17 01:06:02 PM
lol Romney would never do this suck it libzzz
 
2014-03-17 01:08:05 PM
Looks like he won't be getting that Pulitzer this year after all.
 
2014-03-17 01:08:10 PM
Oh... Sen. Obama was right about taking the blinders off the White House.  It isn't the President's job to change the law; that is the job of Congress.
 
2014-03-17 01:09:44 PM
Meh, it was an inaccurate analogy to begin with.
 
2014-03-17 01:15:27 PM
An administration shrouded in secrecy when the president promised just the opposite. Wonderful.
 
2014-03-17 01:16:43 PM
Just another lie but not a big deal cause he's half-black and not named George Bush.
 
2014-03-17 01:18:01 PM
Why do these articles, and most comments, focus only on the raw number of denied requests and not the ratios?
 
2014-03-17 01:22:44 PM
He pointed out a problem.  He didn't say he was going to do anything about it.
 
2014-03-17 01:22:54 PM

cman: Politicians say shiat they don't mean to get elected, film at 9

Don't sit on a bench with wet paint, film at 11


Punkass white boys whine about Obama every day.
Film at 11:00.
 
2014-03-17 01:23:37 PM

cman: Politicians say shiat they don't mean to get elected, film at 9

Don't sit on a bench with wet paint, film at 11


Damn it, why couldn't you have reversed those stories, I sat on the bench waiting for the first story.

I really hope this "CIA tried to delete files they didn't want the Intelligence Oversight Committee to see" story leads to a good thorough colonoscopy for the CIA and other intelligence agencies.
 
2014-03-17 01:25:54 PM
Oh this article.
So lets look at 'all the numbers' and not just denials of information.
A shiat-ton more requests, so obviously more denials. DURRRRRRRrrrrr


/Nothing to see here. Move along. Has anyone arrested George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, yet, for their crimes against humanity warrants?
 
2014-03-17 01:26:01 PM
I wonder how many of the denied FOIA requests were from bagger types trying to press the gubmint for the location of Assbongo's underground lair and birth certificate factory or some such nonsense.
 
2014-03-17 01:30:35 PM

Triple Oak: This is the most transparent administration in history. Thanks to the internet, and the media willing to break the law on behalf of the first amendment "freedom of the press", we know more about what's going on in real time with this administration than we ever have before. We even have people like Issa willing to release sensitive information from the inside. So what's the complaint?


Ya, this.
 
2014-03-17 01:33:48 PM
He didn't build that secrecy, somebody else did.
It was a spontaneous rejection of records in reaction to an episode of The Office.
A red line has been drawn when it comes to access to public records.
If you like your public records laws, you can keep your public records laws. Period.
 
2014-03-17 01:44:51 PM

Cletus C.: He didn't build that secrecy, somebody else did.
It was a spontaneous rejection of records in reaction to an episode of The Office.
A red line has been drawn when it comes to access to public records.
If you like your public records laws, you can keep your public records laws. Period.


You're so adorable... *tousles hair*
 
2014-03-17 01:45:58 PM
Yeah, continuation of Bush-era secrecy and spying policies is one of my major disappointments with the Obama presidency.
 
2014-03-17 01:46:19 PM

Black_Lazerus: These are the following groups of people i expect to lie to me.
1. politicians.
2. lawyers.
3. people who want my money.
4. any women I have ever want to sleep with,  or have slept with.

sorry that you can't tell the difference between pandering and mistating/denying facts subby


First of all, doesn't #3 incorporate all of the others? Second, as a lawyer, I found that the best way to take my clients' money was to tell them the truth.
 
2014-03-17 01:46:54 PM
This is a good gripe about the President.  1 out of 15,000,000 crappy ones.   Keep going.
 
2014-03-17 01:47:37 PM

palelizard: Yeah, continuation of Bush-era secrecy and spying policies is one of my major disappointments with the Obama presidency.


But somehow if makes it better that you can find a way to pin the shortcomings of this president on Bush.
 
2014-03-17 01:49:18 PM

Cletus C.: palelizard: Yeah, continuation of Bush-era secrecy and spying policies is one of my major disappointments with the Obama presidency.

But somehow if makes it better that you can find a way to pin the shortcomings of this president on Bush.


Can you find a way to honestly describe these particular shortcomings, and not just in overall totals? That would be nice.
 
2014-03-17 02:02:46 PM
From the Article:
And five years after Obama directed agencies to less frequently invoke a "deliberative process" exception to withhold materials describing decision-making behind the scenes, the government did it anyway, a record 81,752 times.

Oddly, President Obama did exactly as candidate Obama requested. The question is why aren't the agencies doing so?

No, seriously. This isn't a rhetorical question where the answer is understood. I don't know. Why aren't they doing so?

Is it:
* A crap ton more requests, so even with a lower percentage of rejections, in absolute value the number of rejections is greater?
* A significant decrease in the qualify of requests, like "Justify your existence!" rather than "What were the notes for the meeting where you came up with administrative ruling XYZ" ?
* Evil agencies cackling with glee as they twirl their mustaches?
* Defensiveness on the part of agencies, imagining that every single request for information is just a partisan witch hunt?
* Departments not being given enough cash to handle these FOIA requests, getting behind, and saying "screw this, a blanket reject will get us caught up" ?
* Something else?
* Some combination of the above?

The article points out the problem. Not why.
 
2014-03-17 02:06:40 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well Senator Obama often disagrees with President Obama.

cman: Politicians say shiat they don't mean to get elected, film at 9

Don't sit on a bench with wet paint, film at 11

I don't think he was lying or trying to mislead. I think it's more of a case of it's easy to stand outside and tell people what you would or wouldn't do if you're given the big job. It's a whole new reality when you're in the chair.


I think you will do whatever you can to defend your guy while condemning any future presidents that are not. He is a liar and a fraud.
 
2014-03-17 02:09:17 PM
My college professor in a class i was in last semester is also the head of the department he is in. He told us one day that, when he was just a simple teacher at our college, he would always complain about this and that about the department. Saying they could easily fix this problem, or should have done that to fix various X issues. 

Then when he became the head of the department, he realized how naive he was. Saying what you're going to do about something once you're in the big seat, and actually sitting in the big seat are two different things. It turns out he had to do a lot of compromising and sometimes there were no good solutions to problems he encountered. The only choice was "least amount of harm". That's what happens whenever you have to manage something larger than your house.

This is why politicians say those things, but i do not think it's because they are lying. No, they either do not know how difficult it can be, OR they know they can not say anything else, because that would look bad to voters. Think about that. Would Obama look like a strong candidate if he said "i will try to keep all my promises, but i'll have to compromise on some issues, and some issues i won't be able to do anything to get a favorable outcome." No. That would look awful and sound awful. No one wants to hear that reality. They just want to hear that their horse will always pull through.
 
2014-03-17 02:15:35 PM
Mumble mumble your wife looks like a horse.
 
2014-03-17 02:16:35 PM

AnonAmbientLight: Then when he became the head of the department, he realized how naive he was. Saying what you're going to do about something once you're in the big seat, and actually sitting in the big seat are two different things. It turns out he had to do a lot of compromising and sometimes there were no good solutions to problems he encountered. The only choice was "least amount of harm". That's what happens whenever you have to manage something larger than your house.


Yep.   I got promoted to manage my department of 23 persons.  It's a whole different ballgame than managing my previous 5.
 
2014-03-17 02:19:03 PM

jso2897: cman: Politicians say shiat they don't mean to get elected, film at 9

Don't sit on a bench with wet paint, film at 11

Punkass white boys whine about Obama every day.
Film at 11:00.


God damn it I WANTED TO WATCH THE WET PAINT MOVIE

Thanks for farking my schedule up with something even more entertaining
 
2014-03-17 02:22:06 PM

Cletus C.: palelizard: Yeah, continuation of Bush-era secrecy and spying policies is one of my major disappointments with the Obama presidency.

But somehow if makes it better that you can find a way to pin the shortcomings of this president on Bush.


? No.  I said I was disappointed with the administration, not "it's too bad he's forced to maintain policies set by others". The policies bothered me then, and they bother me now, and Obama should have changed them. You should read more carefully.
 
2014-03-17 02:25:57 PM

Nemo's Brother: The Stealth Hippopotamus: I don't think he was lying or trying to mislead. I think it's more of a case of it's easy to stand outside and tell people what you would or wouldn't do if you're given the big job. It's a whole new reality when you're in the chair.

I think you will do whatever you can to defend your guy while condemning any future presidents that are not. He is a liar and a fraud.


Oh, now this IS interesting.  Nemo's Brother has apparently just called  The Stealth Hippopotamus a Liberal.
 
2014-03-17 02:27:30 PM

jso2897: cman: Politicians say shiat they don't mean to get elected, film at 9

Don't sit on a bench with wet paint, film at 11

Punkass white boys whine about Obama every day.
Film at 11:00.


Partisan hacks on fark act as Obama apologists regardless of context, film at 11.
 
2014-03-17 02:28:54 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: I think you will do whatever you can to defend your guy while condemning any future presidents that are not. He is a liar and a fraud.

Oh, now this IS interesting. Nemo's Brother has apparently just called The Stealth Hippopotamus a Liberal.


I'm still trying to figure out what Nemo wanted to type before he got caught up in the excitement of his post.
 
2014-03-17 02:33:20 PM
Remember kids, it's not fascism when WE do it.
 
2014-03-17 02:35:05 PM
Blinders? What a strange name for Republicans.
 
2014-03-17 02:45:11 PM

AngryDragon: Remember kids, it's not fascism when WE do it.


That's right - it's socialism when we do it. Study it out, sheeple.
 
2014-03-17 02:56:24 PM

LasersHurt: Cletus C.: palelizard: Yeah, continuation of Bush-era secrecy and spying policies is one of my major disappointments with the Obama presidency.

But somehow if makes it better that you can find a way to pin the shortcomings of this president on Bush.

Can you find a way to honestly describe these particular shortcomings, and not just in overall totals? That would be nice.


As someone pointed out earlier, this lack of access and protection of information has been going on for quite some time in the Obama administration. If you read this latest article by AP you can see some extraordinary shielding of access.
 
2014-03-17 03:02:50 PM

Cletus C.: LasersHurt: Cletus C.: palelizard: Yeah, continuation of Bush-era secrecy and spying policies is one of my major disappointments with the Obama presidency.

But somehow if makes it better that you can find a way to pin the shortcomings of this president on Bush.

Can you find a way to honestly describe these particular shortcomings, and not just in overall totals? That would be nice.

As someone pointed out earlier, this lack of access and protection of information has been going on for quite some time in the Obama administration. If you read this latest article by AP you can see some extraordinary shielding of access.


None of that is data, that's just repeating your thesis.
 
2014-03-17 03:16:12 PM
The moral of this thread is that the president who campaigned on "change" is perfectly justified in doing what every other president before him did.
 
2014-03-17 03:20:55 PM

GoldSpider: The moral of this thread is that the president who campaigned on "change" is perfectly justified in doing what every other president before him did.


Dude, stop it. You cant win. They just will not understand it. Just because GW Bush liked jumping off bridges it is enough for them to say that Obama can do the same.
 
2014-03-17 03:21:58 PM

GoldSpider: The moral of this thread is that the president who campaigned on "change" is perfectly justified in doing what every other president before him did.


Of course. This is truly the most transparent administration in history.
 
2014-03-17 03:31:53 PM
Is the moral that we can knowingly accept vapidity if it confirms our presuppositions?
 
2014-03-17 03:35:26 PM

GoldSpider: The moral of this thread is that the president who campaigned on "change" is perfectly justified in doing what every other president before him did.


cman: GoldSpider: The moral of this thread is that the president who campaigned on "change" is perfectly justified in doing what every other president before him did.

Dude, stop it. You cant win. They just will not understand it. Just because GW Bush liked jumping off bridges it is enough for them to say that Obama can do the same.


SpacePirate: GoldSpider: The moral of this thread is that the president who campaigned on "change" is perfectly justified in doing what every other president before him did.

Of course. This is truly the most transparent administration in history.



you three are going all in with an AP article about FOIA requests? an article in which outlines the guidelines regarding the sensitivity of information that would be restricted to the filer? and finally, you all seem to have forgotten that the POTUS isn't a farking dictator with unlimited power.

but don't let that stop you from outright hate of a man.
 
2014-03-17 03:38:55 PM

Isitoveryet: GoldSpider: The moral of this thread is that the president who campaigned on "change" is perfectly justified in doing what every other president before him did.

cman: GoldSpider: The moral of this thread is that the president who campaigned on "change" is perfectly justified in doing what every other president before him did.

Dude, stop it. You cant win. They just will not understand it. Just because GW Bush liked jumping off bridges it is enough for them to say that Obama can do the same.

SpacePirate: GoldSpider: The moral of this thread is that the president who campaigned on "change" is perfectly justified in doing what every other president before him did.

Of course. This is truly the most transparent administration in history.


you three are going all in with an AP article about FOIA requests? an article in which outlines the guidelines regarding the sensitivity of information that would be restricted to the filer? and finally, you all seem to have forgotten that the POTUS isn't a farking dictator with unlimited power.

but don't let that stop you from outright hate of a man.


Enlighten me, please, what I said that showed that I hated Obama. Or, please show me where I said anything about FOIA requests. Or, please show me where I said that Obama was a dictator or had dictator power?

Nowhere.
 
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