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(The New York Times)   U.S.: "We're more than happy to put the world's foremost investigative and intelligence assets at your service in order to help find this missing jetliner." Malaysia: "Nah, we're good"   (nytimes.com) divider line 203
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2014-03-17 08:20:34 AM  
I'm pretty sure we're looking for it whether they like it or not.
 
2014-03-17 08:20:58 AM  
I'm starting to think either Malaysian authorities had a hand in this disappearance or they don't want to show the world just how incompetent they are in losing their own airliner. They seem to try and discredit every possible theory, despite there being evidence of it (such as the engines still working 4-7 hours after, etc.)

/I don't believe in the conspiracies, but they sure do like to act like their covering shiat up
 
2014-03-17 08:25:49 AM  
"they don't want to show the world just how incompetent they are in losing their own airliner."

Hot dog, we have a weiner!
 
2014-03-17 08:29:21 AM  

somedude210: I'm starting to think either Malaysian authorities had a hand in this disappearance or they don't want to show the world just how incompetent they are in losing their own airliner. They seem to try and discredit every possible theory, despite there being evidence of it (such as the engines still working 4-7 hours after, etc.)

/I don't believe in the conspiracies, but they sure do like to act like their covering shiat up


Yeah, my guess is they're just trying to save face.  There are too many governments looking into this to really buy any sort of massive cover-up.
 
2014-03-17 08:29:40 AM  

somedude210: /I don't believe in the conspiracies, but they sure do like to act like their covering shiat up


The longer this goes on, the more likely it seems that somebody accidentally shot the damn thing down, and the governments involved are colluding to cover it up.

The problem with that theory, as with any conspiracy theory, is that it requires a LOT of people to keep schtum.
 
2014-03-17 08:30:20 AM  
somedude210:  or they don't want to show the world just how incompetent they are in losing their own airliner.

They'd look like total dickheads if they lost four in the same day.
 
2014-03-17 08:31:01 AM  
They are trying to save face, and they don't want to be seen as reliant on an outside government for help if they can avoid it.

If it comes down to massive cover-up vs. government ineptitude, go with ineptitude.
 
2014-03-17 08:32:47 AM  

Famous Thamas: They are trying to save face, and they don't want to be seen as reliant on an outside government for help if they can avoid it.

If it comes down to massive cover-up vs. government ineptitude, go with ineptitude.


Agreed times eleventy
 
2014-03-17 08:34:13 AM  
Time to call in the experts.

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2014-03-17 08:34:20 AM  
It's pretty farked up.
Losing a plane in the middle of an ocean--sucks, but is understandable.

Being incompetent pricks about it? Unacceptable.
I'd hate to be a family member waiting for their 'updates'.
 
2014-03-17 08:35:30 AM  

Bob Down: somedude210:  or they don't want to show the world just how incompetent they are in losing their own airliner.

They'd look like total dickheads if they lost four in the same day.


We did not lose four planes on the same day.  We knew where they were from they took off to the time they came back down.
 
2014-03-17 08:35:38 AM  
Could be as simple as flying it out of fuel. Wouldn't be the first.
 
2014-03-17 08:36:16 AM  

somedude210: I'm starting to think either Malaysian authorities had a hand in this disappearance or they don't want to show the world just how incompetent they are in losing their own airliner. They seem to try and discredit every possible theory, despite there being evidence of it (such as the engines still working 4-7 hours after, etc.)

/I don't believe in the conspiracies, but they sure do like to act like their covering shiat up


They are covering it up.  I love how, when this first occurred, their first act was to blame Boeing, saying it was likely the plane just broke up and it was an aircraft design fault.  Then when people said, "hmm maybe the pilots did something" they were quick to say, "oh no...our pilots are awesome.  It was the American plane that is the fault".  When the break-up theory was dismantled, and people were thinking terrorism, they still denied it, softly, because they didn't want the world to know they may have terrorists running around.

They are surely covering this up.  I find it implausible that a Boeing 777 would be able to fly across their territory without warning or even their armed forces being alerted (especially in today's world).  There was something on that plane that they don't want the world to find out.  And they are awfully slow to provide ANY info or data to try to locate the jet.
 
2014-03-17 08:36:43 AM  
From the map, they went to visit the Stan's, what's the big problem?  It was probably one of those sex excursions.  This one is a goat farking trip.
 
2014-03-17 08:38:51 AM  

Famous Thamas: They are trying to save face, and they don't want to be seen as reliant on an outside government for help if they can avoid it.

If it comes down to massive cover-up vs. government ineptitude, go with ineptitude.


Right now in Malaysia it is all about jobs, as in "I want to keep my job." I dont believe in conspiracies, but I do believe in people doing everything possible to protect their careers.
 
2014-03-17 08:38:52 AM  

Mi-5: I find it implausible that a Boeing 777 would be able to fly across their territory without warning or even their armed forces being alerted (especially in today's world).


The notion that skies and borders are being watched diligently 24/7 is a myth.
 
2014-03-17 08:39:50 AM  
FTA:  But they have found nothing so far, senior [US] officials said, and their efforts have been limited by the Malaysian authorities' refusal to accept large-scale American assistance.

As nekom pointed out, we're not going to stop looking for it, so it seems to me that they'd be dumb to let the US take over their search operation.

Several years ago, after a typhoon or something wiped out / flooded Myanmar, the Bush Administration got all huffy that Myanmar wouldn't let the US Navy into the country to distribute potable water. I wouldn't let the US military into my country regardless of the need. Just think about how hard it would be to get them to leave again.

/Leave the water on the porch, thanks.
 
2014-03-17 08:41:54 AM  

Mi-5: somedude210: I'm starting to think either Malaysian authorities had a hand in this disappearance or they don't want to show the world just how incompetent they are in losing their own airliner. They seem to try and discredit every possible theory, despite there being evidence of it (such as the engines still working 4-7 hours after, etc.)

/I don't believe in the conspiracies, but they sure do like to act like their covering shiat up

They are covering it up.  I love how, when this first occurred, their first act was to blame Boeing, saying it was likely the plane just broke up and it was an aircraft design fault.  Then when people said, "hmm maybe the pilots did something" they were quick to say, "oh no...our pilots are awesome.  It was the American plane that is the fault".  When the break-up theory was dismantled, and people were thinking terrorism, they still denied it, softly, because they didn't want the world to know they may have terrorists running around.

They are surely covering this up.  I find it implausible that a Boeing 777 would be able to fly across their territory without warning or even their armed forces being alerted (especially in today's world).   There was something on that plane that they don't want the world to find out.  And they are awfully slow to provide ANY info or data to try to locate the jet.


i can TASTE how badly you want this to be true
 
2014-03-17 08:42:05 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Mi-5: I find it implausible that a Boeing 777 would be able to fly across their territory without warning or even their armed forces being alerted (especially in today's world).

The notion that skies and borders are being watched diligently 24/7 is a myth.


x10



 
2014-03-17 08:43:32 AM  

August11: Famous Thamas: They are trying to save face, and they don't want to be seen as reliant on an outside government for help if they can avoid it.

If it comes down to massive cover-up vs. government ineptitude, go with ineptitude.

Right now in Malaysia it is all about jobs, as in "I want to keep my job." I dont believe in conspiracies, but I do believe in people doing everything possible to protect their careers.


I think it's ineptitude. To be fair, a hijacking where the transponders' turned off, there's no radio communication, and the plane is lost over open ocean that isn't monitored is pretty unusual. Any country would have trouble understanding the information they get in this situation, Malaysia just managed to do it especially awkwardly.
 
2014-03-17 08:43:37 AM  
Yeah because America's investigative assets are so awesome that a memo on the President's desk about a bunch of guys from Afghanistan led by a Saudi led to four downed planes, three destroyed buildings, a hole in the Pentagon and a war with Iraq.  Yeah, I don't think anyone whose GDP doesn't involve selling cow dung for home fuel is thrilled to have the U.S. involved.
Not to mention, for all their geopolitical bumblings, Americans are second to none in their eagerness to humiliate others.  When's the last time you heard the U.S. government give kudos to any other country?  They're politically obligated NOT to.

It's part of Asian culture to conceal facts to save face and hoo boy I know how bad THAT can get, but of all countries America isn't one that has a right to feel snubbed.  The book on America is that they'll bring their significant financial resources to bear, actually find the facts, bury them, and then issue a report suggesting that what you need to do is whatever happens to be best for the incumbent government's campaign donors.
 
2014-03-17 08:44:07 AM  
I don't think it's likely at all it was shot down. A coverup would require way too much cooperation from countries that don't like each other and would delight in any excuse to blame the other. At this point I think the options are:

1. One of the pilots acted on their own and basically did the airline equivalent of a school shooting, flew the plane way off course and crashed it.

2. This was part of a hijacking attempt gone wrong involving multiple people. Malaysia finds this super embarrassing and would rather drag their feet on the investigation and hope it all blows over instead of admitting it.
 
2014-03-17 08:44:50 AM  
Remember: only America can investigate anything ever. Everyone else is an incompetent conspiratorial villain.
 
2014-03-17 08:46:13 AM  

Chilkoot Charlie: FTA:  But they have found nothing so far, senior [US] officials said, and their efforts have been limited by the Malaysian authorities' refusal to accept large-scale American assistance.

As nekom pointed out, we're not going to stop looking for it, so it seems to me that they'd be dumb to let the US take over their search operation.

Several years ago, after a typhoon or something wiped out / flooded Myanmar, the Bush Administration got all huffy that Myanmar wouldn't let the US Navy into the country to distribute potable water. I wouldn't let the US military into my country regardless of the need. Just think about how hard it would be to get them to leave again.

/Leave the water on the porch, thanks.


You're an idiot for believing that, and maybe a propagandist as well.

In that situation, the ship would drop off the water and leave. Why you don't understand that is the puzzle.
 
2014-03-17 08:47:25 AM  

nijika: Remember: only America can investigate anything ever. Everyone else is an incompetent conspiratorial villain.


it's not that. It's that we have a vast array of satellites and naval ships in the region that could very easily help find the plane by covering more ground. It seems foolish that anyone would give up such help.
 
2014-03-17 08:47:28 AM  

zimbomba63: From the map, they went to visit the Stan's, what's the big problem?  It was probably one of those sex excursions.  This one is a goat farking trip.


What?!
i1280.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-17 08:49:39 AM  

somedude210: nijika: Remember: only America can investigate anything ever. Everyone else is an incompetent conspiratorial villain.

it's not that. It's that we have a vast array of satellites and naval ships in the region that could very easily help find the plane by covering more ground. It seems foolish that anyone would give up such help.


We don't need their permission, as someone has already pointed out, it just makes it easier.
 
2014-03-17 08:51:04 AM  

somedude210: nijika: Remember: only America can investigate anything ever. Everyone else is an incompetent conspiratorial villain.

it's not that. It's that we have a vast array of satellites and naval ships in the region that could very easily help find the plane by covering more ground. It seems foolish that anyone would give up such help.


But that's already happening. Other countries including China have these resources and they don't need more cooks in the kitchen. As others have pointed out once the US officialy gets involved with anything it becomes a circus.
 
2014-03-17 08:51:54 AM  
foremost investigative and intelligence assets

Too late. He's already on the case.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-03-17 08:52:38 AM  
I went to CNN early this morning and I was treated to a very special headline that told me immediately that there was no break in the story yet, that we know nothing new, that CNN will continue to profit from an absolute vacuum of knowledge:

"Malaysia Airlines flight 370: Get up to speed"

I find it interesting. When they really don't know anything new, it is implied that *we* have fallen behind.
 
2014-03-17 08:53:21 AM  

Lady J: i can TASTE how badly you want this to be true


I always wondered what tears of joy for anticipated evil conspiracy taste like. Do tell!
 
2014-03-17 08:54:26 AM  
I've spent a lot of time in the region, and yeah -- it's all about saving face.  It's beyond a cultural thing with them, it's just an instinctive reflex.

It's not like the Japanese, for whom saving face is about honor and there's a kind of logic you can follow.  For many Malays (and it's 1000x worse in Thailand), their brain just shuts down in certain situations because they're not capable of handling it.  They just stare at the floor and smile.  It's not a sign of friendliness, it's how they express confusion.
 
2014-03-17 08:54:29 AM  
www.wearysloth.com

The Israelis?
 
2014-03-17 08:54:31 AM  

Animatronik: somedude210: nijika: Remember: only America can investigate anything ever. Everyone else is an incompetent conspiratorial villain.

it's not that. It's that we have a vast array of satellites and naval ships in the region that could very easily help find the plane by covering more ground. It seems foolish that anyone would give up such help.

We don't need their permission, as someone has already pointed out, it just makes it easier.


No, but we would want information. For example - what did investigators find in the homes and on the computers of the pilots? That info could potentially be very helpful. Also, would Malaysian investigators be able to crack highly encrypted computer files without outside assistance? I don't know how well versed they are at such things... but we know the US and China certainly are.

Anyway, if Malaysia isn't forthcoming with discovered information re: the pilots, it just makes everyone's job that much more difficult.
 
2014-03-17 08:54:35 AM  

somedude210: nijika: Remember: only America can investigate anything ever. Everyone else is an incompetent conspiratorial villain.

it's not that. It's that we have a vast array of satellites and naval ships in the region that could very easily help find the plane by covering more ground. It seems foolish that anyone would give up such help.


Plus, most nations offer to help each other out with disasters unless they're outright enemies. It's a way to build good will with the people of the nation, even if it pisses the officials off. It would actually be something of a snub not to offer nearby resources. The US is not the only country who offers help. We just happen to have more resources spread around the world.
 
2014-03-17 08:55:08 AM  
I thought last month fark was all full of 'the US is in't the policemen of the world'.    Now it seems like pople want the US to go get in other countries business again.

Bipolar FARK
 
2014-03-17 08:57:31 AM  
Has Art Bell voiced his views on this mystery yet?
 
2014-03-17 08:58:13 AM  

August11: Famous Thamas: They are trying to save face, and they don't want to be seen as reliant on an outside government for help if they can avoid it.

If it comes down to massive cover-up vs. government ineptitude, go with ineptitude.

Right now in Malaysia it is all about jobs, as in "I want to keep my job." I dont believe in conspiracies, but I do believe in people doing everything possible to protect their careers.


i2.cdn.turner.com
Heck of a job brownies

\racist.
 
2014-03-17 08:58:38 AM  

toadist: I thought last month fark was all full of 'the US is in't the policemen of the world'.    Now it seems like pople want the US to go get in other countries business again.

Bipolar FARK


So you're equating involvement in a civil war or disturbance with searching for a missing civilian airliner? Really?
 
2014-03-17 09:00:15 AM  
Hmm. Reading the article, they don't refuse large-scale help in finding the plane, they just don't like the FBi / CIA / whatever other three letter acronym agency you guys have these days, to take over the criminal investigation. It's all in the first paragraph.
 
2014-03-17 09:00:17 AM  

August11: Famous Thamas: They are trying to save face, and they don't want to be seen as reliant on an outside government for help if they can avoid it.

If it comes down to massive cover-up vs. government ineptitude, go with ineptitude.

Right now in Malaysia it is all about jobs, as in "I want to keep my job." I dont believe in conspiracies, but I do believe in people doing everything possible to protect their careers.


"We're sorry to learn that you soon will be dead, but though you may find this slightly macabre, we prefer your extinction to the loss of our job."
 
2014-03-17 09:00:58 AM  

toadist: I thought last month fark was all full of 'the US is in't the policemen of the world'.    Now it seems like pople want the US to go get in other countries business again.

Bipolar FARK


This potentially directly affects us and our allies, if it was stolen for terror reasons.
 
2014-03-17 09:02:06 AM  
I have a question that I haven't seen answered any where, why aren't the Air Traffic Control Transponders hard wired into the main power so that if there's power, the transponder's working?
 
2014-03-17 09:02:23 AM  
I get Google emails for all stories about UFOs and aliens. So far none of them mentioned Malaysian airlines so we can assume this not alien related.
 
2014-03-17 09:03:17 AM  

toadist: I thought last month fark was all full of 'the US is in't the policemen of the world'.    Now it seems like pople want the US to go get in other countries business again.

Bipolar FARK


The problem isn't America being the world's policeman, the problem is the world's policeman acting like an American policeman.
 
2014-03-17 09:03:31 AM  
Jyster


Hmm. Reading the article, they don't refuse large-scale help in finding the plane, they just don't like the FBi / CIA / whatever other three letter acronym agency you guys have these days, to take over the criminal investigation. It's all in the first paragraph.

Who has time to read a fancy article, hell Fark could just be a list of misleading headlines with an attached flame war.
 
2014-03-17 09:03:38 AM  

toadist: I thought last month fark was all full of 'the US is in't the policemen of the world'.    Now it seems like pople want the US to go get in other countries business again.

Bipolar FARK


When people say "policemen of the world" that's a euphemism for military conflict, not an actual police investigation. And there were several U.S. citizens on that flight.
 
2014-03-17 09:04:09 AM  

lifeboat: toadist: I thought last month fark was all full of 'the US is in't the policemen of the world'.    Now it seems like pople want the US to go get in other countries business again.

Bipolar FARK

So you're equating involvement in a civil war or disturbance with searching for a missing civilian airliner? Really?


Yes.   Because meddling is meddling.       A 'civil' disturbance or a foreign countries 'civil' airline traffic is still a foreign countries business.    Not ours.    If they don't want help...... stay the fark out of it and let it go.     move along.
 
2014-03-17 09:04:20 AM  

nijika: somedude210: nijika: Remember: only America can investigate anything ever. Everyone else is an incompetent conspiratorial villain.

it's not that. It's that we have a vast array of satellites and naval ships in the region that could very easily help find the plane by covering more ground. It seems foolish that anyone would give up such help.

But that's already happening. Other countries including China have these resources and they don't need more cooks in the kitchen. As others have pointed out once the US officialy gets involved with anything it becomes a circus.


China's satellites and sonar are not as good as ours. In fact if there is one thing this has been revealing it is that monitoring capability in the region is below what was expected.
 
2014-03-17 09:05:36 AM  

Chris Ween: I get Google emails for all stories about UFOs and aliens. So far none of them mentioned Malaysian airlines so we can assume this not alien related.


Unless of course Google is under alien control.
 
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